Post Ao7JnrXIcy3SqMW16e by davetroy@toad.social
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(DIR) Post #Ao77hXFlvUfGkaX9Bw by davetroy@toad.social
2024-11-16T15:58:04Z
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1/There is nothing more embarrassing than watching hordes of liberals willingly herd themselves into a pen funded by Russian capital. Blue sky’s principal funder Blockchain Capital LLC is run in part by Kirill Dorofeev, who also works for VK, Russia’s state social network.
(DIR) Post #Ao77hZ6z18p4VuR9lo by davetroy@toad.social
2024-11-16T15:58:05Z
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2/Be aware you are effectively operating behind enemy lines. It may be tactically useful to do so, but don’t pretend there is anything “good” happening here. For all the talk about critical thinking, folks could try using some for once. 🤦https://www.linkedin.com/posts/joecardillo_bluesky-bigtech-socialmedia-activity-7263206291139932161-BTim
(DIR) Post #Ao7IzmAEKJfHheqFZA by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-17T00:23:35Z
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@davetroy> Blue sky’s principal funder Blockchain Capital LLC is run in part by Kirill Dorofeev, who also works for VK, Russia’s state social networkYet another reason to be sceptical of BlueSky.
(DIR) Post #Ao7JWfF15Q21mxlMbw by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-17T00:29:30Z
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"No shade if you do use Bluesky, but I would recommend continuing to maintain other profiles and no over investing your time/energy, particularly if you are a news organization or content creator/influencer."@joecardillohttps://www.linkedin.com/posts/joecardillo_bluesky-bigtech-socialmedia-activity-7263206291139932161-BTim#HatTip to @davetroy for the link.#BlueSky
(DIR) Post #Ao7JnqOkrFcrJZVg9I by fifilamoura@eldritch.cafe
2024-11-16T16:10:22Z
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@davetroy "decentralized foundation" hmmmm, it's not foundational if it's not actually part of the reality yet and integral to the implementation. It's still entirely conceptual and likely well out of the economic and technical reach of most people in practical terms.
(DIR) Post #Ao7JnrXIcy3SqMW16e by davetroy@toad.social
2024-11-16T16:16:31Z
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@fifilamoura what they realized was that their decentralized tech wasn’t what users really wanted. They are following the path of Twitter now which is why Dorsey left. It is a cash burning machine.
(DIR) Post #Ao7Jnt0l8vDLQ1J3fE by fifilamoura@eldritch.cafe
2024-11-16T16:19:59Z
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@davetroy Is that really why Dorsey left? But, yeah, this new round of funding makes it all seem even more dubious.
(DIR) Post #Ao7Jntp67lTpw8rG7s by stinerman@mastodon.social
2024-11-16T20:21:12Z
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@fifilamoura @davetroy Dorsey left because Bluesky wanted to moderate.
(DIR) Post #Ao7JnupqMTff4kDMvY by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-17T00:32:35Z
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@stinerman> Dorsey left because Bluesky wanted to moderateThat makes no sense. Distributed moderation was part of the plan from day one.@fifilamoura @davetroy
(DIR) Post #Ao7RAXQuEgckpnHi6q by VulcanTourist@autistics.life
2024-11-17T01:30:43Z
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@davetroy This is why I've now warned my Followed that I'll be muting anything they boost from Bluesky users. Those users may not have evil intent like its corporate owners, but at the least they're idiots or complicit.
(DIR) Post #Ao7RAYsarEMjJxFKu8 by vik@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-17T01:55:13Z
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@VulcanTourist There's only one company I know that took "do no evil" out of their mission statement, and it's not a Russian one. Are users of American systems likewise complicit in their country's crimes? Personally, I'm on a local Mastodon server so have nobody to blame but myself. @davetroy
(DIR) Post #Ao7WadopcDKxwKk3RQ by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-17T02:55:48Z
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@vik> There's only one company I know that took "do no evil" out of their mission statement, and it's not a Russian oneYour implied argument seems to be that only US tech corporations do bad stuff. This is so obviously wrongheaded that the only reasonable response is to point and laugh.> Are users of American systems likewise complicit in their country's crimes?We're not talking about "users", we're talking about an *employee* of VK, who's an *investor* in BS.@VulcanTourist @davetroy
(DIR) Post #Ao7XgLINUvkuBLqPgW by VulcanTourist@autistics.life
2024-11-17T03:08:11Z
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@vik @davetroy For some reason I was never notified of your reply. My comment had nothing at all to do with crimes of countries and everything to do with crimes of corporate overlords and the people who unwittingly and unnecessarily enable them.@strypey
(DIR) Post #Ao9ZLdstmGldyi6U9A by williampietri@sfba.social
2024-11-18T02:36:12Z
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@strypey The way I make sense of it is that they aren't doing distributed moderation in the style that Dorsey wanted. They're just doing standard centralized moderation where they ban sufficiently awful people/content.In contrast, Dorsey is now backing Nostr, which doesn't do that, and is consequently full of awful stuff. That's the natural outcome of building stuff to free-speech-absolutist ideals.@stinerman @fifilamoura @davetroy
(DIR) Post #Ao9e4VPIXiFuX9uEyG by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-18T03:29:08Z
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(1/2)@williampietri> they aren't doing distributed moderation in the style that Dorsey wanted. They're just doing standard centralized moderation where they ban sufficiently awful people/contentSounds like a reasonable criticism to me. Surely we've all seen centralized moderation fail spectacularly, enough times to know that it doesn't work at scale?@stinerman @fifilamoura @davetroy
(DIR) Post #Ao9e7Ux2h4AhzO7Iki by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-18T03:29:08Z
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(2/2)@williampietri> Dorsey is now backing Nostr, which doesn't do that, and is consequently full of awful stuffSo is the fediverse, in theory;https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/24/23806093/mastodon-csam-study-decentralized-networkDoesn't mean we have to see any of it.We are seeing experiments with cross-server moderation in the verse (IFTAS etc). The same principles can and will be used by @rabble et al to develop effective distributed moderation for Nostr, for those who want it.
(DIR) Post #Ao9er6fRJSRHzjdAwK by serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-11-18T03:37:49Z
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@strypey @rabble I think it really depends on what people are looking for.People need to ask themselves why not facebook or any of the traditional centralized social networks.And then take that answer and see what guidance is gives when choosong between nostr, bluesky or mastodon.nostr has way more potential than the others in terms of avoiding centralized overlords and all the downsides we saw on X or facebook, while still allowing all you could wish for in terms of moderation
(DIR) Post #Ao9ex7OfVtebzjeY5I by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-18T03:38:16Z
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(3/3)@williampietri> That's the natural outcome of building stuff to free-speech-absolutist idealsI reject this whole 'free speech = awful stuff' framing. There's no need to demonise freedom of speech to argue for moderation tools.The fediverse totally respects freedom of speech. Anyone can spin up an ActivityPub server and say whatever they want.It also totally respects freedom of association. Any person or server can choose not to receive speech from any other person or server.
(DIR) Post #AoAVL4uFcWEIpwAhOK by williampietri@sfba.social
2024-11-18T13:25:51Z
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@strypey Yeah, this is the "consumer choice" theory of moderation. The basis notion is, "As long as *I* don't have to see the nazi harassment and the child porn, who cares?" And then adherents get to blame anybody who does see it or does care for not perfectly managing their filter bubble.But it turns out that plenty of people do care about being on a platform with that stuff, and for good reason. Which is why Twitter and Bluesky followed the same path. And it's why the Fediverse puts a lot of work into isolating rogue servers. Any platform has a choice between people who get abuse and the people who like hating and abusing them. Free-speech absolutism inevitably ends up getting you the latter and then the former go to places run by people who don't want to spend their days supporting the shitbags.
(DIR) Post #AoBNWEFac8uCWkv0rI by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-18T23:33:04Z
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(1/2)@williampietri> they aren't doing distributed moderation in the style that Dorsey wanted. They're just doing standard centralized moderation where they ban sufficiently awful people/contentSounds like a reasonable criticism to me. Surely we've all seen centralized moderation fail spectacularly, enough times to know that it doesn't work at scale?@stinerman @fifilamoura @davetroy
(DIR) Post #AoBNYHKG9R6Oe152Gm by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-18T23:33:05Z
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(2/2)@williampietri> Dorsey is now backing Nostr, which doesn't do that, and is consequently full of awful stuffSo is the fediverse, in theory;https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/24/23806093/mastodon-csam-study-decentralized-networkDoesn't mean we have to see any of it.We are seeing experiments with cross-server moderation in the verse (IFTAS etc). The same principles can and will be used by @rabble et al to develop effective distributed moderation for Nostr, for those who want it.
(DIR) Post #AoBPWU9xfDz9mFXIfY by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-18T23:55:32Z
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(1/2)@williampietri> this is the "consumer choice" theory of moderationMaybe. But, the fact is no one can control who can post on the fediverse. You can only control who you hear from. This is just the reality of truly decentralised systems.> the Fediverse puts a lot of work into isolating rogue serversFediverse admins put a lot of work into isolating *themselves* from servers they consider "rogue". But what counts as "rogue" varies wildly from admin to admin;https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fediverse-ideas/issues/88
(DIR) Post #AoBPWhjBDashrF76rw by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-18T23:55:33Z
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(2/2)BlueSky *can* control what people say on BS, precisely because it's *not* really decentralised. Some people naively thought that centralised control was great when Titter used it, but now that Melon Husk is using *exactly* the same power, they flee... to another centralised platform.There's an old saying about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Sooner or later BS too will enshittify;https://pluralistic.net/2024/11/02/ulysses-pact/
(DIR) Post #AoBSIkKX2sJHjmcXtw by Hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net
2024-11-19T00:26:45.492475Z
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@williampietri @strypey But you're not on a platform with that stuff. You're on sfba.social. The shitbags are on other websites that you probably don't federate with, and you exercised your consumer choice to stay on such a server.I love the consumer choice model of moderation (and that's a mostly good term for it, thanks). I think we should have more of it. I.e. by implementing a filter system for posts on the fediverse. Maybe kind of like Usenet's kill files, or email's Sieve language (need to look into that more).I would love to be able to - as a user - autocw all posts and/or autospoiler all pictures from certain users or instances. And I'd love to be able to see the posts of certain users while rejecting the rest of their instance (say, if I think they are the only or one of the few good users on said instance).How can we make this happen?
(DIR) Post #AoBneT1m9dSVU02vTc by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-19T04:25:54Z
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@Hyolobrika> I would love to be able to - as a user - autocw all posts and/or autospoiler all pictures from certain users or instances. And I'd love to be able to see the posts of certain users while rejecting the rest of their instance ...How can we make this happen?One thing you could try is posting detailed descriptions of your ideas, and how you see them working, as issues on the Fediverse Ideas repo;https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fediverse-ideas/issues@williampietri
(DIR) Post #AoCKlaGGxFKOQspPGq by Hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net
2024-11-19T10:37:02.130274Z
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@strypey @williampietri I wasn't able to sign up for issue trackers before because I didn't have a suitable email address. But now I have hyol@macaw.me so that's good.
(DIR) Post #AoCLYE2ON4HNhDWuMS by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-19T10:45:44Z
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@Hyolobrika> I wasn't able to sign up for issue trackers before because I didn't have a suitable email addressCodeBerg folks are part of the effort to create forge federation, which would allow you to open or comment on an issue using your fediverse account.@williampietri
(DIR) Post #AoCTQm82XKaKkD87TE by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-19T12:13:59Z
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(1/?)@serapath> nostr has way more potential than the others in terms of avoiding centralized overlordsHow? People can have the same control over their fediverse experience that they have with Nostr, by running their own server. Most people don't, but that's a choice that's always available.That keeps admins accountable, in the same way that Free Code licensing keeps developers accountable. Even if most people never audit or fork the code.@rabble
(DIR) Post #AoCTUiTm2yx0aHAvDs by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-19T12:14:00Z
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(2/?)Beyond that, the AP plumbing of the fediverse continues to evolve. There is work underway on things that will make admins even more accountable, like nomadic identity/ account portability;https://wedistribute.org/2024/03/activitypub-nomadic-identity/
(DIR) Post #AoCXTIqOGwu6bZKqyu by Hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net
2024-11-19T12:59:25.263587Z
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@strypey all that is not there yet so for now, Nostr is the technopolitically superior choice
(DIR) Post #AoCXY6J2JdI3AQ1QMi by Hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net
2024-11-19T13:00:15.821769Z
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@strypey @serapath @rabble not as accountable as they are with Nostr
(DIR) Post #AoCgsPyZn9vpYGDNXE by serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-11-19T14:44:37Z
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@strypey @rabble Technically you are correct, the "best" kind of correct. Practically people wont self host just as they dont self host email servers. Practically a few big ones will win, just like with email.Practically, the big ones blocking or muting other instances will have a lot of power to incentivize joining the big instances so the big instances gain even more power and others are somewhat cut off from useful social interactionsThere are multiple artificial and unnecessaey problems
(DIR) Post #AoFAV7QVygSyIo0bpo by serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-11-19T14:47:16Z
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@strypey @rabble lets see how nomadic identity or account portability works.But practically speaking. Nostr already avoids the need for choosing a specific instance. Every instance or even multiple in parallel are all just as valid as your own. It doesnt matter from which instqnce you send your next message. Your keypair signs the message means it comes from you. Thats fundamentally different.Moving beyond that even, peer to peer allows self hosting without the need for setting up servers
(DIR) Post #AoFAV8WZtcuVhtqxvM by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-20T19:26:03Z
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@serapath> lets see how nomadic identity or account portability worksHubzilla had it before AP was published. But that was thanks to Zot protocol. It's taken a while to figure out how to reimplement it on top of AP.> Nostr already avoids the need for choosing a specific instanceSure, but that comes with as many cons as pros, especially when it comes to spam prevention, moderation etc. Also it just moves the chokepoint to the cost of running relays, doing app dev etc.@rabble
(DIR) Post #AoFBrgGXEAmYg8fAgq by serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-11-20T19:41:19Z
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@strypey @rabble i'm not sure what those cons are meant to be.moderation can be implemented permissionlessly. nostr idea is it is simple and ppl can just implement stuff on top permissionlessly.dat project https://cabal.chat implemented trust nets or subjective moderation, which allows people to freely choose their moderators or do it themselves. tools are follow, ubfollow, mute, block, etc... subscribe to specific content. configure your own algorithms.
(DIR) Post #AoFBuTzBLAHzShslnc by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-20T19:41:31Z
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(1/2)@serapath> Practically people wont self host just as they dont self host email serversUtterly beside the point, for reasons given above.> Practically a few big ones will win, just like with emailHere's a key difference; it's the not the 1990s/2000s anymore. People are getting wise to how centralisation leads to enshittification. So the fediverse will not just play out as email and Jabber (XMPP) did. Just like Nostr won't play out as FreeNet did.@rabble
(DIR) Post #AoFBuVFscZExOmhcSu by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-20T19:41:31Z
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(2/2)Also, the reason email and the web got as centralised as they have, is that running servers in expensive and people didn't want to pay for using them. So the main ways to make money revolved around DataFarming, which works much better with a few highly centralised players, with all their services tightly integrated.Running relays costs money, as does developing software. We need to develop decentralised revenue models if we want the fediverse or Nostr to succeed without recentralising.
(DIR) Post #AoFCEYDNKKo0My5fdI by serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-11-20T19:45:26Z
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@strypey @rabble i see. its an interesting point and maybe you are right.still i dont see many self host and ...whether the nainstream, if they ever adopt it, understand federation seems to be a question.most ppl seem to flock to whats biggest and best - still.one could argue while many where away that email is federated... i wonder how many people these days actually still k ow this or ever concisously thought about itbut either way. running local or with relays like nostr seems better
(DIR) Post #AoFCINH7wRczbEfVsu by serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-11-20T19:46:10Z
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@strypey @rabble also "beside the point".not sure. in the end, in practice it matters a lot 🤷♀️
(DIR) Post #AoFCisCJaz1L263MzQ by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-20T19:50:58Z
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@Hyolobrika> not as accountable as they are with NostrSee: https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/113516982560418752
(DIR) Post #AoFCmf6mCfDtayGlU0 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-20T19:51:39Z
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@Hyolobrika> Nostr is the technopolitically superior choice...and yet here you are on the fediverse telling me that ; )
(DIR) Post #AoFOuqQlBpuQTfHigy by serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-11-20T19:43:06Z
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@strypey @rabble also in nostr or even morr p2p systems, torrent like, content backup and availability, just like torrent seeding gets perfectly organically decoupled from specific instances.nostr clients allow to talk to one or as many relays as you like in parallel ... so you dont depend on a single one. you can also run your own or not.most clients allow you to edit your list of relays you use and defaults are set by specific nostr clients.
(DIR) Post #AoFOurmQAmpWf8QX5s by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-20T22:07:34Z
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@serapath> [many technical details]If you analyse this from a purely technical standpoint, without factoring in the political-economic environment from which tech implementations emerge, you will miss most of the causal factors for why things happen in tech.@rabble
(DIR) Post #AoFP5aWSfyCAKD4g2i by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-20T22:09:32Z
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@serapath> moderation can be implemented permissionlessly. nostr idea is it is simple and ppl can just implement stuff on top permissionlesslyGet back to me when there's 10 million people on Nostr and it hasn't modified its topology, and isn't awash in spam (hint: it's already awash in spam).@rabble
(DIR) Post #AoFPvJEyAwkLmeYUWO by Hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net
2024-11-20T22:18:58.317324Z
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I haven't noticed any spam on Nostr
(DIR) Post #AoFPw63Ih7WlAeTMdU by Hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net
2024-11-20T22:19:07.000194Z
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Where is it?
(DIR) Post #AoFXlUq4zrsGUekFlI by Hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net
2024-11-20T23:46:50.213066Z
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@strypey It used to be a bit janky but IIRC it (or Amethyst) is more streamlined now.I'd like a way to import my data from fedi so I don't have to follow everyone again. IIRC there was a script for that.
(DIR) Post #AoFY3iulP32zMPcwwi by Hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net
2024-11-20T23:50:07.563941Z
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@strypey (there's a bridge that links the two networks)
(DIR) Post #AoFYNfS9ywAePul4bI by Hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net
2024-11-20T23:53:44.047333Z
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@strypey oh yeah, and @dushman blocks the bridge server level for some reason. So I wouldn't be able to talk to people on raccoon.quest.
(DIR) Post #AoFYPsLV1DFIyvhBjs by Hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net
2024-11-20T23:54:08.336585Z
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@dushman @strypey IIRC he said it was spam actually. Dush, is that still a problem?
(DIR) Post #AoFZYCyEJurXDdLgQa by serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-11-21T00:06:42Z
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@strypey @rabble you say this without at least summarizing or sharing a gist what exactly is supposedly missingi dont mean it "technically"you could have a democracy or a dictatorship. it is just the rules that are different, but in practice it can have the same impact, so why does it matter?thats how you sound to me with this answeryou can have an instance admin of your choice or become a technical expert who can self hostVSyou are in charge (nostr or p2p) without the expertise need
(DIR) Post #AoFZsxqFlOC8NaVzAu by serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-11-21T00:10:29Z
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@strypey @rabble if you get to the wrong instance and follow the wrong folls you drown in spam.i experienced it a few times on mastodon where some marketing bots where retweeting and liking something i posted with endless retweets and likes and my notifications where just killing my phone.i do believe the spam has to do with users controlling their feed and following the right social circles where nobody spams.it feels like a very personal statement rather tha n which tech prevents spam
(DIR) Post #AoFauji9N76v5T8LUu by Hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net
2024-11-21T00:22:06.851919Z
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@serapath @strypey @rabble There could be subscribable lists of spammers. Maybe using some flexible (but limited enough to be secure) programming language so it can be used as a general purpose (self)-moderation tool.
(DIR) Post #AoFpHD0UWv0HfxK3W4 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-21T03:02:58Z
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@Hyolobrika> I haven't noticed any spam on NostrWikipedia:"Spamming is the use of messaging systems to send multiple unsolicited messages (spam) to large numbers of recipients for the purpose of commercial advertising, non-commercial proselytizing"The vast majority of the postings I've seen on Nostr are what would be treated as a crypto-spam here. There are a multitude of demonstrated vectors for sending spam, and Nostr not even at the Early Adopter stage of growth.@serapath @rabble
(DIR) Post #AoFq7hWEKfrTMhCLku by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-21T03:12:28Z
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It just occurred to me that Nostr is allowing us to offload a whole lot of spammers and RedPills from the fediverse. Which is a great example of why the drop in MAU on the fediverse post-Eternal (prior to the current bump) could have been good news, rather than the growth-cult bad news that the SillyCon Valley business press made it out to be.
(DIR) Post #AoFqRt8mpf1dCXrJ2G by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-21T03:16:06Z
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@Hyolobrika> he said it was spam actuallyIt always amazes me how many server admins happily federate with mastodon.social, but block all sorts of other stuff out of fear of the potential for spam ...@dushman
(DIR) Post #AoFqoNJHLPhz8lUMvQ by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-21T03:20:11Z
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@serapath> i do believe the spam has to do with users controlling their feed and following the right social circles where nobody spams.> it feels like a very personal statement rather tha n which tech prevents spamPick one.@rabble
(DIR) Post #AoFr9yS6RfNSPsup4y by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-21T03:24:04Z
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@serapathyou can have an mod team of your choice, or become a moderation expert who can curate your own feeds from the raw sewerageVSyou are on your own (nostr or p2p) without backup, hopefully you cab swim in sewerage@rabble
(DIR) Post #AoFrKAviuMau0ldOzY by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-21T03:25:54Z
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@serapath> if you get to the wrong instance and follow the wrong folls you drown in spamThere are guardrails, but if you climb over them and jump in the sea, I hope you can swim.VSThere are no guardrails, and in fact no ship, and you sink or swim@rabble
(DIR) Post #AoFuvMksCoDFGMz8HA by serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-11-21T04:06:10Z
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@strypey unsolicited is literally many messages here on mastodon. i dont follow everyone i see messages from.people have different interests.i do understand you personally dislike bitcoin.i personally dislike web3/crypto/shitcoins.i am interested in bitcoin, because i definitly see some potential here.not that it was perfect. i can see problems, but i also see problems with the status quo capitalism and weighing thing, bitcoin seems useful.
(DIR) Post #AoFvUD56AFpDOb3mgS by serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-11-21T04:12:32Z
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@strypey @rabble it was meant as:of course i wanna follow and build/curate/foster the community around me online, but i have seen tech enshittify in the past.i already ran into issues with mastodon because instances defederated and cut visibility off and this can happen again.I follow plenty of ppl but dont get messages feom all of them even though they post.i can already see how investing time into this always has the risk instance admin politics or certain feature decision will ...
(DIR) Post #AoFvuvjmkwKxQKpf0q by serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-11-21T04:17:20Z
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@strypey @rabble you can run your own nostr relay and create backups as well.But if people dont run their own backups, they depend on instance admins. insfances went down in the past. some instances might not have proper backups set up either.i just dont see the upsides of the fediverse architecture. it seems more inflexible an cumbersome and less control of users about their feeds
(DIR) Post #AoFw951r0Wt8IL1yQy by serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-11-21T04:19:54Z
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@strypey @rabble maybe.i do think that is why left leaning communities and clients for e.g. nostr can help a lot to make those guard rails as well.good thing is you can later take off the guard rails, while in mastodon you depend on instance operators, especially of bigger ones, ...even if you self host - because if instance operators deprioritize your individual instance or even defederate, there is little you can do if some ppl you follow where on thst instance
(DIR) Post #AoHGxsGyO28lk5YoWu by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-21T19:47:56Z
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@serapath> good thing is you can later take off the guard rails, while in mastodon you ... take off the guard rails by setting up your own instance. Yes, you do need to have server admin skills, or help from someone who does.For sure, figuring out how to make community-hosting as easy as installing an app is an ongoing challenge. But some of us remember when you had to compile from source to install apps on GNU/Linux. It can be done.
(DIR) Post #AoHGy0HyaBhEbW5jCi by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-21T19:47:57Z
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(2/2)Another option is the Takahē approach, where one server can handle accounts using multiple domain names. So people can BYOD, and they always control their own identity.
(DIR) Post #AoHHjdEXbaZN00CBKS by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-21T19:56:32Z
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@serapath> unsolicited is literally many messages here on mastodonAre they sent ..."... to large numbers of recipients for the purpose of commercial advertising, non-commercial proselytizing"?To be clear I'm not referring to people just talking to each other about BitCoin (although the cultyness is gross), I'm talking about people trying to push product.
(DIR) Post #AoHHnacRGgGC34GE5o by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-21T19:57:17Z
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@serapath> i also see problems with the status quo capitalism and weighing thing, bitcoin seems usefulHow about you send me your npub and we can discuss this in Nostr ; )
(DIR) Post #AoHKGKQUkbcA8NVPF2 by serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-11-21T20:24:46Z
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@strypey I just switched the nostr app and tried "primal".All it took was copy/paste in my private key and i'm set.In settings i added a list of 20 relays i gathered from people i follow over the weeks.So as long as one relay (wss://) stays available things will work.all messages are signed by my private key all messages of others (pubkeys i follow) are signed by theirs.
(DIR) Post #AoHKNasjy3afCIBJk8 by serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-11-21T20:26:10Z
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@strypey i never received that, but i also have my feed set to latwst from only folks i follow and replies to those.so i dont get any of the other stuff.still - i think the rest depends on the settings of the relays you add, and the list i have seems quite good, so cant complain about those issues
(DIR) Post #AoHKQcidatDPlOtu64 by serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-11-21T20:26:27Z
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@strypey its in my mastodon profile 🙂
(DIR) Post #AoInKrJJWPFd6rcRWq by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-22T13:25:21Z
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@serapath > i think the rest depends on the settings of the relays you addI suspect that's going to be the Nostr equivalent of 'depends on the settings of the server you join' ; )
(DIR) Post #AoInuary7u5OXlrtZ2 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-22T13:31:48Z
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@serapath > I just switched the nostr app and tried "primal". It seems like Amethyst is the only Nostr app in F-Droid so far. So that's all I've tried. Can you recommend any GNU/Linux clients? All it took was copy/paste in my private key and i'm setSounds like that's already a huge step forward from SSB. I still have ManyVerse on my Android, but between the fediverse, Matrix and Nostr, that pretty much takes up all the time I have for social media.@fdroidorg
(DIR) Post #AoIz8nGtuZK4YfVI5g by serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-11-22T15:37:34Z
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@strypey not entirely.the difference is, your identity by which everyone knows you does not include the name of any relay AND your data is stored in a particular server and you better hope the instance operator knows how to properly do backups.in nostr your identity is your `nsec` keypair which works with any client and any relay. you dont have to choose one.And you cant get your data from any of them and have additional backup servers... this gets even more true with peer to peer.
(DIR) Post #AoIzoaqcUeQCBl8tzE by serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-11-22T15:45:06Z
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@strypey @fdroidorg too bad, i dont know, but if you find some gnu nostr clients, let me know. actually i do have amnethyst. i use it too. its not bad either
(DIR) Post #AoJkBGGHnGVMtUtWsa by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-23T00:24:43Z
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@serapathFWIW I played a modest rule in getting Amethyst back into F-Droid;https://gitlab.com/fdroid/fdroiddata/-/issues/2973
(DIR) Post #AoJkOjtquXISa0pPyi by serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-11-22T15:39:19Z
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@strypey like in bittorrent. as long as one peer has your data, you can restore it. bittorrent syncs data from everyone at the same time. There is no particular server that you have to choose to store your data. and any peer can be an additional backup.you yourself can make a backup trivially, just by installing a client on a new device and logging in. it will sync all your data automatically. no expert knowledge required
(DIR) Post #AoJkOkVQepM2SYPQY4 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-23T00:27:08Z
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@serapath> you yourself can make a backup trivially, just by installing a client on a new device and logging in. it will sync all your data automatically. no expert knowledge requiredI'm curious to see just how trivial this is in practice. I've yet to find a second client that meets my software freedom standards.
(DIR) Post #AoJoOsnQEaePzJ91Qe by serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-11-23T01:11:57Z
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@strypey yes.i agree.there is still an unfullfilled promose to open source keet UI when it hits beta.if thats the case, then it would match my standards. ...if not, then maybe dat ecosystem has to try to make a keet compatible client that is open source
(DIR) Post #AoSNmmZnLu9GaJ4qbg by rabble@mastodon.social
2024-11-21T04:24:30Z
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@serapath @strypey my nos.social nostr app has the same kind of composable moderation guard rails that Bluesky’s primary app and network on ATprotocol has. The technology is remarkably similar even if the user communities have different cultures.
(DIR) Post #AoSNmndjOktJsnvVNg by serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-11-21T09:47:15Z
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@rabble @strypey hmm remarkebly similar?https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@serapath/113506518317820040what do you mean?i dont see much or even any similarities between nostr and blueskyUnder which perspective are they similar?Bluesky was invite only and instead of nsec/npub it asks for email/passwordNostr seems to be simple and permissionlessly extensible to a big degree, bluesky complex compared to nostr and extended by the bluesly team. Also nostr decentralized in practice, bluesky only in theory and even there barely🤷♀️
(DIR) Post #AoSNmoFf7jETmRfnVI by rabble@mastodon.social
2024-11-26T01:24:24Z
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@serapath @strypey both ATprocol and Nostr are based on Secure Scuttlebutt. They’re much more like each other in terms of how the technology and protocol works than anything else. The users might have different cultural norms and values but that’s not what I’m talking about. Neither works much like ActivityPub at all, which is a decade older and designed around a network of all powerful servers vs signed content addressable data structures.
(DIR) Post #AoSNmoxGVc6vxg4cT2 by serapath@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-11-26T02:32:27Z
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@rabble @strypey which part???so far i havent seen anything peer to peer around bluesky and the background how it came to be has also nothing in common.ssb starts with a pubkey, just like nostr.blsky starts with email/passwordyou download ssb clients and they connect peer to peer. so to me this is a ridiculous statement.i cant imagine that you can name a single aspect of blsky that is even remotely close to what ssb is
(DIR) Post #AoSNmpgdmuPIEPIrC4 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-11-27T04:26:09Z
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@serapath> i cant imagine that you can name a single aspect of blsky that is even remotely close to what ssb isGrabs popcorn and straps in ...@rabble