Post Ao1uhMcdBPI4aF0vqK by jscholes@dragonscave.space
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(DIR) Post #Ao1ufpdkK8je0BnytM by hynek@mastodon.social
2024-11-14T05:23:52Z
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It's very on-brand for Mastodon to turn even more obnoxious & sanctimonious as we watch Bluesky sucking in tech Twitter.Ppl KNOW that Mastodon exists—& they hate it. The reasons why they hate it have been known for years but nothing has been done about it.Being condescending to users for wanting to be hand-held or have effective protections against the very reply guys that are going around scolding the impure is just proving them right.No amount of dirt-digging on Bluesky will change that.
(DIR) Post #Ao1uhFxdwswHvNn77g by glyph@mastodon.social
2024-11-14T05:29:12Z
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@hynek Man, at this point I would be jazzed if they hated it. I think they mostly just don't think of it at all
(DIR) Post #Ao1uhH5pjv5JR4dAWm by hynek@mastodon.social
2024-11-14T05:32:58Z
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@glyph I’m seeing a lot of „lol remember mastodon?“ and „I tried mastodon and it never clicked so I went back to twitter but I can’t do it anymore“Their hate might be a memory from 2022 but that doesn’t make it less real or the reasons ppl bounced off back then less relevant. We can’t even tell them that „Mastodon is good now“ because zero of the major problems from 2022 have been solved.
(DIR) Post #Ao1uhI7ztMPSe4ePXU by glyph@mastodon.social
2024-11-14T05:39:15Z
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@hynek I wish I knew what I was doing to see so much of the thoughtfulness and so little of the sanctimony on here so I could share it with everybody contending with this. I don't even block all that much.I have seen the screenshots, I definitely believe this is other people's experience, and I don't know why it really hasn't been mine
(DIR) Post #Ao1uhJ6cFytng50p1c by vathpela@better.boston
2024-11-14T05:40:30Z
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@glyph @hynek big same. No doubt it's happening, no idea why I'm not seeing it directly.
(DIR) Post #Ao1uhJr3TK2u06juPQ by vathpela@better.boston
2024-11-14T05:44:21Z
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@glyph @hynek though I do think there's at least another important axis: the whole quote tweet thing. Since I've been here the received wisdom is it's universally evil. bsky has fun with it the same way we used to on twitter. Some communities I've been a part of on twitter and now bsky (especially #hatm) don't work without it.
(DIR) Post #Ao1uhKmU1nz0sDblvE by jscholes@dragonscave.space
2024-11-14T06:02:32Z
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@vathpela @glyph @hynek Maybe there's a perception issue here: you are in fact seeing some of the behaviour some people are describing as sanctimonious, but you actually agree with Some or all of the points that it's making and hence perceive it differently. Or maybe I'm just insulting your intelligence by suggesting you can't separate your own opinions from perception of people's conduct. Not sure really.
(DIR) Post #Ao1uhLa73HgLM8pPHM by glyph@mastodon.social
2024-11-14T06:05:02Z
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@jscholes @vathpela @hynek it's possible there's a bit of that going on, but like, on twitter I routinely (if infrequently) experienced overt antisemitic harassment, even during the "good times". I just don't get that here. But I see other people, particularly Black people, complaining that the racist harassment is *way* worse here, and I've seen some pretty good structural explanations of why that would be. The "hidden replies" problem is like gaslighting as a service
(DIR) Post #Ao1uhMcdBPI4aF0vqK by jscholes@dragonscave.space
2024-11-14T06:12:31Z
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@glyph @vathpela @hynek To be honest, when people use the term sanctimonious in relation to Mastodon, my mind doesn't immediately go to racism. Rather, I was thinking more of the people who seem to unequivocally buy into decentralisation as a concept with little regard to its impracticalities and implications, mostly overstated myths about how easy it is to run a server or migrate between them as a user, and the undeniable privilege of choosing to stick two fingers up at capitalism in daily life. That sort of content is everywhere, even though I don't seek it out or agree with how a lot of it is stated.
(DIR) Post #Ao1uhNdjOnlTjwXKCG by ubernostrum@infosec.exchange
2024-11-14T06:39:49Z
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@jscholes @glyph @hynek Also people who think ActivityPub is the only "decentralized" or "federated" social-media system that could ever possibly be. So much of the "atproto doesn't count because of..." stuff basically boils down to finding ways to claim it's not an exact clone of Mastodon's specific flavor of AP.atproto is doing things differently and in ways that are potentially interesting alternatives to AP/Mastodon, and I'm kind of tired of people pre-emptively writing it off because it doesn't do things *precisely* the ways AP/Mastodon do.
(DIR) Post #Ao1uiCeBkrQxw88uUS by glyph@mastodon.social
2024-11-14T06:45:00Z
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@ubernostrum @jscholes @hynek I am very much an atproto skeptic, and will likely remain so until plc is replaced with something real, or until someone else stands up a plausible alternative to bsky.app.That doesn't mean that I don't see a lot of value in their publishing their protocol work, I think that there are several excellent ideas buried in atproto, in particular around the way DNS is used, and it's a terrible indictment of activitypub that it's not stealing any of that stuff
(DIR) Post #Ao1uiDfzvcTX81zrwu by ubernostrum@infosec.exchange
2024-11-14T09:21:23Z
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@glyph @jscholes @hynek Serious question: if mastodon.social went on an Incredible Journey™️ tomorrow, so every account had to migrate off it ASAP, how likely do you think it is most of those folks even stay on some form of Mastodon or other AP server/network? After losing all their old posts and interactions?As I understand it, you *could* rebuild the Bluesky network, with the posting history, because of the PDS concept. You’d have to fix people’s handles, but you could do it.
(DIR) Post #Ao2y3Nj4FmwDOlAv9E by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
2024-11-14T22:10:07Z
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@glyph @hynek For me, new in late 2023, it was a pretty rough onboarding. Very persnickety corrections of the many bad things I was doing/not doing. I did change my habits to accommodate some of it; later I realized a lot was bullshit but not all. Things that in hindsight, I think would have been better handled by plain old ignoring. I wouldn't put up with that treatment now. And I would not do it to anyone, sanctimonious you're not radical enough to be here type crap. That negative stuff generates persistent impressions, long after it's passed, and from here, it mostly has, and numbers grew and frankly drowned out with holier than thou. But as recently as yesterday, I've seen complaints about complaints (lol) of insufficient onboarding new folk, that people have done (genuinely) good work producing materials and guides for new folk. And it really is good, but there's no built in mechanism that passes it in front of new people. So people don't know about it, and I can see that frustration in the makers of onboarding materials. But the frustration energy of the issue needs to go towards getting newbie guides on front of newbies, and not complaining to the rest of us. (I'm fine reading the frustrated posts; I don't mean to add to the burden. I take it as genuine frustration with the inability to get itto the people who need it.)
(DIR) Post #Ao2yOIXuhvfdPkvpKa by glyph@mastodon.social
2024-11-14T22:13:48Z
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@tomjennings @hynek re: frustration about frustration and so on, let me just be explicit that I, at least, really appreciated hearing your perspective!