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(DIR) Post #AnmdAPgCBJgPuyz6O0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-07T01:00:40Z
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Since young people generally no longer learn cursive... and maybe this is a stupid question but... how do they get a signature?
(DIR) Post #AnmdM7bLDpB1KAITc8 by EverydayMoggie@sfba.social
2024-11-07T01:02:46Z
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Is there any reason a signature can't be printed? That's still individualistic enough to be distinct for each person.@futurebird
(DIR) Post #AnmdNg6ARosObZSRzU by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-07T01:03:05Z
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@EverydayMoggie I suppose it's fine.
(DIR) Post #AnmdPKw86931YGYO92 by superball@norcal.social
2024-11-07T01:03:22Z
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@futurebird I was wondering that myself! ✍🏼
(DIR) Post #AnmdSDYZzbZJX3ubmy by chris_radcliff@spaceup.city
2024-11-07T01:03:41Z
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@futurebird We actually had a specific conversation about it at my house. What it’s used for. Why it has to be relatively consistent. Then we designed one. Not sure if that’s common.
(DIR) Post #AnmdUDxLTj3dLmS8bg by BillyGlennHoya@libranigans.com
2024-11-07T01:04:11Z
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@futurebird https://www.reuters.com/markets/currencies/us-treasurys-yellen-practiced-practiced-her-signature-us-bills-2022-12-01/
(DIR) Post #AnmdVeUiIO2Lwkk1po by jrconlin@soc.jrconlin.com
2024-11-07T01:04:30Z
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@futurebird Historically, you just make some symbol that you can later reproduce, like an X.A bit like a signature, really.I am waiting for folk to adopt something like the Japanese stamp system for making unique marks.
(DIR) Post #AnmdcqwSPlEcZx9U00 by BillyGlennHoya@libranigans.com
2024-11-07T01:05:44Z
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@futurebird https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/01/09/168967361/signature-doodle-check-how-a-treasury-secretary-lew-might-sign-your-dollars
(DIR) Post #AnmdhDaABDQPxHo0NE by BillyGlennHoya@libranigans.com
2024-11-07T01:06:33Z
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@futurebird I think there was something on Marketplace about signatures, but that was years ago and I can't find it :|
(DIR) Post #Anme0Olcoq4o99JRoW by BobDendry@masto.fediverse.games
2024-11-07T01:10:02Z
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@futurebird I learnt cursive (probably among the last to) but I think my first signature design was based on sort of taking both my parents' signatures and making my own version of them and it developed from there.
(DIR) Post #Anme4o1Krxr5cvlLhg by cshlan@dawdling.net
2024-11-07T01:10:48Z
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@futurebirdI ran across a site that would create a few designs and then send you stencils of the one you like best. My kid seemed excited but never returned the email and I've lost the information....
(DIR) Post #AnmenOLRB6Ft1gQQm8 by KalenXI@mastodon.social
2024-11-07T01:18:55Z
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@futurebird When I was in school we were only required to write in cursive until 3rd grade and I don't think it occurred to me until college that my signature didn't need to look like a 3rd grader wrote it at which point I designed a new one based on the angles in my initials, KV.
(DIR) Post #AnmfRB8HigaBdIFGHQ by guyjantic@c.im
2024-11-07T01:26:06Z
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@futurebird In 1992 I knew a lawyer named (I think) Paul Kenneth Novack III. I served him espresso near the Snohomish County Courthouse in Everett, WA. His signature was a dot and a checkmark. I asked him about it and he said, legally, all you need is for whatever mark you put on paper to be relatively consistent across multiple documents over time, to establish a pattern that this is how you sign. He said it doesn't matter at all what the signature actually looks like.So... cursive not required, I guess.
(DIR) Post #AnmfX48adkhffwC9vk by jannem@fosstodon.org
2024-11-07T01:06:14Z
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@jrconlin @futurebird Meanwhile Japan is trying to move away from stamps because of all the issues it creates.
(DIR) Post #AnmfX4rFxgQruT5pYG by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-07T01:27:10Z
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@jannem @jrconlin Aw but it's so quaint and pretty. Well I can see that... but, I love the idea of having more fiddly stationary things to do. But then I designed myself a wax seal which I'm always looking for excuses to use. They wouldn't let my put it on my marriage certificate. **mocking voice*** "because then we'd need to store it in a booooox" Still mad. (I know I'm being a little unreasonable)
(DIR) Post #Anmg6dr9pXWeah0O1o by KF7RHB@mastodon.hams.social
2024-11-07T01:33:35Z
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@futurebird Like all serfs in illiterate mediaeval cultures do: they scrawl an X or some such “mark”.
(DIR) Post #AnmganmtTFEi4zOO0G by parsingphase@m.phase.org
2024-11-07T01:38:43Z
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@futurebird They scribble on a digital pad when they get their driver's license, with no idea they'll have to reproduce it (or any way of doing so), and so their signature is recorded as a near-random set of half a dozen angular lines.
(DIR) Post #AnmgqSTeTBnOcUrEJs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-07T01:41:53Z
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@parsingphase I know this pain and it burns me more since I care more than most about signatures. But they just caught me off guard and I was scared to attempt anything fancy I might not be able to reproduce. I do copper plate! It's a travesty!https://sauropods.win/@futurebird/113433227003576660
(DIR) Post #AnmhCtYMTz4Sxul8HQ by billyjoebowers@mastodon.online
2024-11-07T01:45:55Z
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@futurebird Oh wow, all this talk of "designing" a signature instead of developing one is wild to me. I never thought about it. Funny, because I never like cursive much and nearly always printed, my whole life. But I don't know why someone wouldn't want to learn it.
(DIR) Post #AnmhM5aB7xCysbzdFQ by DaNanner@mastodon.coffee
2024-11-07T01:47:34Z
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@futurebird digital pad at the DMV when they get their license. So … a scribble
(DIR) Post #AnmhNCsJV1iHmq0aau by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-07T01:47:43Z
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@billyjoebowers Mostly so you can write on the board and listen to your 5th graders whine about how they can't read it until they suddenly go "oh?"And then they can read it. For some reason this is always amusing. (I rarely write in cursive. Printing is more clear. But, it's a nice trick to pull. )
(DIR) Post #AnmhQY3pBiuuMTzCm8 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-07T01:48:24Z
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@billyjoebowers OH the other reason to learn is it makes your notebooks look lovely. And less reading over your shoulder of what you are writing on the subway.
(DIR) Post #AnmhwYHvsT3mKlqUDI by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-07T01:54:09Z
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@ireneista @jannem @jrconlin You have got it aaaaallll backwards. Make the seal then walk around threatening to use it and the chances will come!
(DIR) Post #Anmi8SI801itD5c3yi by artemis@dice.camp
2024-11-07T01:56:19Z
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@futurebird Most people I know don't actually sign their name in cursive anyway—it's just a scribble. I basically write the first three letters of my first name and scribble, then the first three letters of my last name and scribble.
(DIR) Post #AnmiFPTMsTo4UlBcps by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-07T01:57:36Z
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@ireneista @jannem @jrconlin For example when inviting people to sign a group holiday card for someone you can say "don't forget to bring your wax seal, I will bring the ribbon." to the other people and when they say they don't have one say "It's OK I have a blank you can use."
(DIR) Post #AnmjCQinsTGdSDY7OK by nix@social.stlouist.com
2024-11-07T02:08:15Z
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@futurebird Tangential fun fact: cursive is usually taught *first* in "traditional" Montessori schools.
(DIR) Post #AnmjecqMOzwX9qWpqy by jayalane@mastodon.online
2024-11-07T02:13:20Z
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@futurebird @EverydayMoggie my kids sign like they don't know cursive and while I smile in pleasure to see my kids writing, they are pretty lame signatures. My applied math teacher has a good spiel about making ones handwriting be super consistent and legible as a practice to reduce maths errors. (My own rate of success on a long PDE being less than fifty percent going to the class).
(DIR) Post #AnmjiJAnThlRJFqNMW by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-07T02:14:02Z
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@AMS @billyjoebowers Only when I want to get their attention. They are *mystified* by it. It's like I did alchemy and made a coconut into a hedgehog or something.
(DIR) Post #AnmjtsyugSshYJo1WS by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-07T02:16:06Z
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@jayalane @EverydayMoggie Few people realize how crazy math is about symbols and hand writing. For example if your write your Xs so they look like the cross product symbol. Please do not. 'a' is NOT the same letter as 'A' it's really crazy and often glossed over harming students.
(DIR) Post #AnmkBKHkQFG59lvpSa by jayalane@mastodon.online
2024-11-07T02:19:15Z
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@futurebird @EverydayMoggie I have been doing sets where there is a lower case t, a capital T and a Greek tau. I have to stay careful the whole time.
(DIR) Post #AnmkGHklGPsekerpo0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-07T02:20:10Z
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@jayalane @EverydayMoggie I guess I should post the page from my stats textbook where the letter 'c' is used in three different ways. https://sauropods.win/@futurebird/111222009543733540
(DIR) Post #AnmkLhobnEbT1tFeS0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-07T02:21:06Z
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@zens @jayalane @EverydayMoggie OK but you really will run out of letters.
(DIR) Post #AnmkSX4W8RfTjiwpTU by JaykeBird@social.vivaldi.net
2024-11-07T02:22:22Z
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@futurebird For me, my signature ended up developing because I had worked a job for a short while where I had a sign a paper in like 10 or so different spots every week. Started off printing my name each time, but after a month or so, it basically became a very visible J and then a big squiggle lol
(DIR) Post #AnmmNeqO0kzqIl8psm by Rivikah@mstdn.social
2024-11-07T02:43:53Z
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@futurebird @jayalane @EverydayMoggie I had to change my handwriting when I started to get into symbol heavy areas. z printed with a cross bar to distinguish from 2. My cursive z was getting confused with both y and zeta.
(DIR) Post #AnmnsbYaNm212Q8Uk4 by jayalane@mastodon.online
2024-11-07T03:00:41Z
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@futurebird @EverydayMoggie standardly tou would write the fancy C with curlicues top and bottom in hand written notes. I take the point tho. And I must argue with the biology person you can't read any biology without being expected to remember so much arbitrary data about species or chemicals or cell types or who even knows. I can remember what the fancy C is for but I cannot remember 20 some amino acids much less five kingdoms and 70 clades and 150 receptor subtypes.
(DIR) Post #AnmpK5MhlP3JGBFLTk by lolonurse@ohai.social
2024-11-07T03:17:55Z
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@futurebird I'm so glad other folks are wondering things like this. I've been told kids don't need cursive because they mostly write papers on a device & print it out, or are now asked to print because most of their handwriting is illegible. Isn't that because they aren't taught to write legibly? (Then again, out of all my sisters and cousins, all of whom are 68 to 78, I'm the only one with good "penmanship"- how's that for an oldie but goodie?!)😆
(DIR) Post #Anmpfznx7NkQNwRHUG by qurlyjoe@mstdn.social
2024-11-07T03:20:49Z
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@futurebird I worry about my own signature, honestly, but only when I sign my ballot. For checks, and other paper docs, I just scribble the first letter and a wavy line. For touchpads a wavy line is all they get. I don’t write by hand at all any more, and can’t, even, for very long without pain. I’m left handed to boot. But I do worry about the ballot. I could vote in person & just show an ID, but it’s so convenient to mail it in or drop it in a collection box. Dunno how they validate it.
(DIR) Post #Anmr6P0C9nFs17Jx1U by cavyherd@wandering.shop
2024-11-07T03:36:42Z
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@futurebird @jayalane @EverydayMoggie My mother was a bookkeeper from back in the days of hand-written ledgers, & she was DEATH on sloppily rendered numbers. I had several number forms of which she didn't approve, as being potentially ambiguous.No way to know I'd grow up into a world that had virtually no use for hand-writing numbers.
(DIR) Post #AnmsSsm8F2KkgL1gJs by zillion@freeradical.zone
2024-11-07T03:52:04Z
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@futurebird @billyjoebowers I can't imagine living without cursive. It's so much faster. I do math, so typing is not an option for early stages. It's also great for taking notes.
(DIR) Post #Ann61T23FFU0NdIHeC by justafrog@mstdn.social
2024-11-07T06:23:58Z
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@futurebird I figure it's like with the touchscreens used by package delivery.I can't make anything clear happen there, because they're way more slippy than pens on paper.Nobody cares.
(DIR) Post #Ann7I5cPeIc8dpn90K by justafrog@mstdn.social
2024-11-07T06:38:11Z
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@futurebird @billyjoebowers Part of me wants to be a teacher who will randomly write in a language, and good luck.It's pretty much the only use case where I have a captive enough audience who would have to deal with it.If I have a diverse enough class, some of the kids will be able to read it, thus unlocking the code.I'd even prep some phrases in languages I don't actually know, just because one of the kids does know it.
(DIR) Post #Ann7zemkm8lyA4P2cC by pdcawley@mendeddrum.org
2024-11-07T06:46:02Z
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@futurebird @jayalane @EverydayMoggie also, the way you can make an experienced mathematician's head hurt by using x as an integer, or swapping i and n in a ∑ or ∏ expression (0 ≤ n ≤ i makes my eyes water just writing it).
(DIR) Post #Ann8WiiNBfLJu87UOm by kechpaja@social.kechpaja.com
2024-11-07T06:52:02Z
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@futurebird Society hasn't actually caught up to this yet, but handwritten signatures as a form of verification have never been a good idea, and with the possibility of various forms of digital authentication in the modern world relying on them at all is simply silly.
(DIR) Post #AnnAxGLOyZ4Fdr9wTg by regordane@mastodon.me.uk
2024-11-07T07:19:15Z
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@futurebird @zens @jayalane @EverydayMoggieAs a specialist in mathematics, maybe. I did two maths A levels and two degrees in chemistry, including a reasonable amount of undergraduate applied maths. That's a heck of a lot more maths than most well-educated people would ever need. Sure, I used a few Greek letters (not many) but I was never remotely in any danger of running out of characters.
(DIR) Post #AnnEZznqi1ZFUqcthg by mavu@mastodon.social
2024-11-07T07:59:52Z
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@futurebird @jannem @jrconlin you are absolutely not unreasonable!Anyone who *doesn't* want to own a seal ring or stamp is a boring person, and will probably never be loved by a cat.
(DIR) Post #AnnMNBp5VV4se1btqa by llewelly@sauropods.win
2024-11-07T09:27:12Z
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@futurebird @jayalane @EverydayMoggie 1/2my fifth grade algebra teacher actually made us practice "100 times each" a whole list of math-specific handwriting things, like "for negative numbers, the negative sign must be clearly and consistently higher than the subtraction sign, and shorter than the subtraction sign",
(DIR) Post #AnnNnDSo86ItDTAAsa by ersatzmaus@mastodon.social
2024-11-07T09:43:05Z
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@futurebird @zens @jayalane @EverydayMoggie Why not just use, y'know, names?
(DIR) Post #AnnNwx87iEe1SE8BUm by JeffreyJDean@hcommons.social
2024-11-07T09:44:50Z
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@futurebird FWIW, my wife, who learned cursive in a British school 60+ years ago, has always printed her signature…
(DIR) Post #AnnjPtYs9onDp1HiYi by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2024-11-07T13:45:23Z
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@futurebird They don't. Does it matter though? Signing documents on paper is getting increasingly rare.
(DIR) Post #AnnowGI9gJ8HM9ib32 by tnsi@ieji.de
2024-11-07T14:47:16Z
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@futurebird For the US, signatures don't have to be stylized (and check your local policies, but often they don't even have to be your name and can be a pattern or marking)Just needs to be consistent and verifiable
(DIR) Post #Anns6HBdVc1AtF8Ue8 by jayalane@mastodon.online
2024-11-07T14:35:29Z
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@ersatzmaus @futurebird @zens @EverydayMoggie succinctness :) also naming is famously hard. Maybe some tradition as well. Plus even regular words like "implies" or "therefor" or "QED" will be symbolized: ⇒ ∴ and □
(DIR) Post #Anns6IHLRsB8HEoZBQ by ersatzmaus@mastodon.social
2024-11-07T15:07:53Z
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@jayalane @futurebird @zens @EverydayMoggie From a computing background it just strikes me as bad practice. And implies, therefore, QED etc are syntax, not variables, a different class of thing entirely.
(DIR) Post #Anns6JGJnAx3KLLGDo by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-07T15:22:42Z
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@ersatzmaus @jayalane @zens @EverydayMoggie Because I don’t want to have to write a times symbol fifty billion times.
(DIR) Post #AnnsMAvmXFCS7bIkpE by ersatzmaus@mastodon.social
2024-11-07T15:25:26Z
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@futurebird @jayalane @zens @EverydayMoggie This is easily addressed with a little notation. (× apple burlap cinnamon), apple•burlap•cinnamon. etc.
(DIR) Post #AnntZCuuYwdm02fkKO by LordCaramac@discordian.social
2024-11-07T15:39:07Z
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@futurebird Maybe they all use digital signatures instead, like GPG or something?
(DIR) Post #AnnvfkZqWl6U2b4DDs by jhavok@mastodon.social
2024-11-07T16:02:41Z
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@futurebird @jayalane @EverydayMoggie I developed my handwriting style as an undergraduate in physics. Still with me except for a few slight modifications taken from the Palm touchscreen style.
(DIR) Post #Anoj428vlUFfDygbiq by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-11-08T01:16:11Z
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@ersatzmaus @jayalane @zens @EverydayMoggie A lil dot is STILL a times symbol... and spaces are... dicey.
(DIR) Post #AnonbGgp6LWpiGdsH2 by Red_Shirt_no2@c.im
2024-11-08T02:06:59Z
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@futurebird They hash what they’re signing and encrypt the hash with their private key, like normal people.