Post AnkiCRVK5kuJDapVui by chemoelectric@masto.ai
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(DIR) Post #AnkhEfWEr9bDJEkuoq by stux@mstdn.social
2024-11-06T02:36:47Z
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Personally if it where up to me, we finally create a system for digital voting :nkoShrug: I mean, technically it shouldn't be that hard and I see a lot of upsides to thisFor example here in the NL, we all have a "DigID" that's an gov digital account to manage stuff that would be a good example to useMy bet is that younger people would vote in a lot bigger numbers if the process where up-to-date to today's standardsBut that's me
(DIR) Post #AnkhS9TInvzFyDoNJA by stux@mstdn.social
2024-11-06T02:39:15Z
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And lets not pretend that tech is something new from the past recent years, like using a web browserDigital banking the same, people have had decades to get used to it but many refused, that's not the techs faultI was born in a tech world and didn't had a choice and that's okay but its annoying that people think it's something we're born with.. We also had to learn every step but in way less time
(DIR) Post #Ankhkt9zfqywspiMXQ by botolo86@mstdn.social
2024-11-06T02:42:39Z
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@stux agreed! Also in Italy (my home country) there is a digital system that authenticate people for all different things, including health service claims. It wouldn’t be difficult to extend this to voting also.
(DIR) Post #AnkhqWc4PtoIgyXDFo by stux@mstdn.social
2024-11-06T02:43:40Z
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@botolo86 Plus a state backed wallet, i mean c'moooooonSingle devs often get more done in a single afternoon in comparison to govs with their endless money
(DIR) Post #AnkhrlSUhsu11Ze9WC by faraiwe@beige.party
2024-11-06T02:43:49Z
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@stux and the risk of interference, as seen US 2016.NL have less people than NY State. It's packed, densely, reasonably uniform culturally speaking. Easy to wire for broadband.The US is 50 countries loosely bound by a vague Constitution, a coin, USPS and an interstate highway network. About the size of the whole of Yurp, people spread everywhere.
(DIR) Post #AnkhuXLhcdfY8Jn9oO by tknarr@mstdn.social
2024-11-06T02:44:21Z
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@stux It's not the voting part that's hard. It's doing it in a way that's both a) resistant to fraud and b) guarantees ballot anonymity.
(DIR) Post #AnkhwpN1af6IbXVDaS by stux@mstdn.social
2024-11-06T02:44:48Z
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@faraiwe For the US it should have both options I guess but thats still a lot of work
(DIR) Post #AnkhzFYDDtB2NftGqm by stux@mstdn.social
2024-11-06T02:45:13Z
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@tknarr Maaaaaaybe some sort of blockchain like thing /could/ be useful for something like that, just a raw idea
(DIR) Post #Anki6OSWV6qi2JdTzE by stux@mstdn.social
2024-11-06T02:46:26Z
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@alienghic But thats insane with the modern tech, encryption etc :blobcatgiggle: I am not aiming for voting machines btw, just a site with a login to dedicated acc for example (super rough)
(DIR) Post #AnkiCRVK5kuJDapVui by chemoelectric@masto.ai
2024-11-06T02:47:38Z
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@stux In the United States you have something like 51 unitary authorities controlling election laws. That's pretty tough to work with! :)But it still would be tough to vote. I'm an absentee voter in Minnesota. I get my ballot mailed to me and just have to fill in ovals in black ink. But I do have to get my wife to witness my ballot for me. I have to pack it properly and then put it in the mail (no stamp needed). I can then check its progress online.But...
(DIR) Post #AnkiErq59OdjTPhD60 by anji@metalhead.club
2024-11-06T02:48:02Z
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@stux Voting by mail here in California is super easy. No excuse for young people really.US political problems aren't technical. It's the incredibly undemocratic electoral college, gerrymandering, and rife propaganda.
(DIR) Post #AnkiG28gLCIbhwx55E by jochie@strangeweb.page
2024-11-06T02:48:15Z
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@stux The problem has been, and still is, the requirement to have some “paper trail”, I think?https://social.overheid.nl/@opensource/113401345221627913 (via @queen_fennec)
(DIR) Post #AnkiNxiSfXfAJ6T5WK by stux@mstdn.social
2024-11-06T02:49:42Z
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@johnjolley I don't see a lot of "you" in the wild here :blobcatgiggle: Omg indeed.. my WoW characters also! :warcraft:
(DIR) Post #AnkiRGaOy21VhTH2v2 by stux@mstdn.social
2024-11-06T02:50:18Z
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@yeri interesting!
(DIR) Post #AnkifBdm9SVAPqUQUa by tarcisiosurdi@bolha.one
2024-11-06T02:52:44Z
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@stux it depends on what “digital voting” means to you…If you think about voting on your phone, that will probably never happen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrHaXyv8eO0But if it’s something related to an electronic ballot box (like we’ve been doing in Brazil for decades) then it should definitely be implemented!
(DIR) Post #Ankiq316YS30r5a3n6 by stux@mstdn.social
2024-11-06T02:54:32Z
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@tarcisiosurdi Kinda, "login with Digid" "vote" "logout" Something like that yeah but a looot better overthought in many aspects ofc
(DIR) Post #AnkjAaaDSvWmkcnZku by drahardja@sfba.social
2024-11-06T02:58:30Z
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@stux The problem with digital voting is that it’s too easy to sow doubt about it. These systems are far more complicated than the average person can understand. Witness the lies that the Trump folks cast against the Dominion voting machines. All their claims were proven false in the end, but it took *years* of litigation to get to the truth. Meanwhile, many people were using those lies to undermine the integrity of the vote.Paper ballots are *obvious* to audit. It’s hard to argue with paper and ink.
(DIR) Post #AnkjEJDrx9uO4D7UUi by stux@mstdn.social
2024-11-06T02:59:10Z
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@drahardja I guess so indeed.. I was thinking about a blockchain like system for fairness but try to explain that looool
(DIR) Post #AnkjHhWE4rN2HxK7GK by lindarosesmit@mastodon.social
2024-11-06T02:59:48Z
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@stux we had one. We chucked it.
(DIR) Post #Ankrlau02chw5YCzWi by th3rdsergeevich@mastodon.ml
2024-11-06T04:34:49Z
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@stux Sorry, that's a hard no from me. During recent elections in Russia, digital voting was widely used to tamper with the results in ruling party's / Putin's favor. Even targeted protest voting wasn't able to counter that.Elections must be observable in order to be fair. Can't do that with going digital.
(DIR) Post #AnkvqosPua6gh6DPlY by haayman@todon.nl
2024-11-06T05:20:34Z
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@stux the authentication isn't the problem. It seems impossible to then vote anonymously while still keeping a paper trail that's not based on trusting the software
(DIR) Post #AnlC6f0lxMsVzuhP1M by JoeBecomeTheSun@social.vivaldi.net
2024-11-06T08:22:42Z
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@stux The problem with digital voting is that it would make it easy to cheat in a manner that is harder with in person voting. For example, who is to say that someone is standing over your shoulder while you vote, or people using hacked credentials to vote for someone else, or party activists, controlling families or employers pressuring you to vote against your consciousness. When you register to vote you should have the ability to request an absentee ballot, but we the people have the right to free, fair, secret and secure elections. Digital voting does not achieve this and would in fact make to worse.
(DIR) Post #AnlQ4rDP0kxScrdngu by tarcisiosurdi@bolha.one
2024-11-06T10:59:12Z
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@stux yeah, we also have “accounts” in the form of “gov.br” logins for every citizen around here but I don’t think it would ever work for an election…There’s already insurance and other government benefits stealing going in that platform due to account hijacking (not everyone enables 2FA), that would be even more pronounced if accounts could be hacked for political advantage.There’s also the main point cited in the video I referenced before: you cannot make sure that everyone’s device has not had it’s integrity compromised (which would compromise the whole thing), that people won’t sell their votes by voting in front of someone else etc etc…It’s WAY harder to solve it that way and it will always be less secure and reliable. Resources should be invested in things that are proven to work…