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(DIR) Post #AnWvsLWVt1YzJwJK3E by newt@stereophonic.space
2024-10-30T11:14:28.072919Z
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Dendrite is in maintenance mode and will not be getting new shiny matrix goodies. It's so over, guys :comfyunamused:
(DIR) Post #AnWyQhv7K0vaXNKbTs by newt@stereophonic.space
2024-10-30T11:43:22.678636Z
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From what I figured, Matrix Foundation is nigh defunct, with all development going inside Element.
(DIR) Post #AnWyTYbkOxbWWYd8Ma by newt@stereophonic.space
2024-10-30T11:44:03.169955Z
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Guys, I'm truly convinced that internet messaging is the most cursed thing ever in existence. It's impossible to make any progress there. Gods have truly forsaken us.
(DIR) Post #AnWysjB8EkpiY3BQ6C by newt@stereophonic.space
2024-10-30T11:48:30.289108Z
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@captainepoch we shall fork Dendrite and Nheko and sell this shit for money
(DIR) Post #AnWytm78o9GLwUoeP2 by newt@stereophonic.space
2024-10-30T11:48:47.917352Z
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@captainepoch p.s. are you still too pissed at me to talk on matrix?
(DIR) Post #AnWzHqE9ARO3eHZJSq by sleroq@quietplace.xyz
2024-10-30T11:53:12.721Z
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@newt@stereophonic.space @captainepoch@stereophonic.space try conduwuit. Moved from dendrite this month. Resource usage 3-4 times less, bugs I had with room state resolution and media are gone.
(DIR) Post #AnWzSHyGs3iaah7mgS by mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
2024-10-30T11:54:19.474960Z
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@sleroq @newt @captainepoch its what powers my matrix instance, literally great
(DIR) Post #AnWzU8Up4NUdmfEOFU by mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
2024-10-30T11:54:54.981497Z
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@newt telegram is there to save the day
(DIR) Post #AnWzx5QHZhQ2eNubse by newt@stereophonic.space
2024-10-30T12:00:26.766608Z
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@captainepoch jeeez :akkogiggle:
(DIR) Post #AnWzzTg0N5w0S0PFw0 by newt@stereophonic.space
2024-10-30T12:01:01.985606Z
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@mischievoustomato ah yes, that thing which banned me last week again because my phone number is sus
(DIR) Post #AnX01hLYW7ZfQXtsDg by newt@stereophonic.space
2024-10-30T12:01:25.838857Z
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@captainepoch you can log in regardless, you just won't be able to see old messages.
(DIR) Post #AnX0D2MwhFOdoQxPUG by newt@stereophonic.space
2024-10-30T12:03:19.585824Z
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@sleroq @captainepoch I don't really have problems with Dendrite right now. But I'm worried I might at some point.Conduit seems to have even fewer features than Dendrite fwiw.
(DIR) Post #AnX0MUNZvO5rI5lBpY by jae
2024-10-30T12:05:16.373284Z
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@mischievoustomato @newt @captainepoch @sleroq i was running dendrite (go enthusiast here) then moved to conduit, and now the hard fork conduwuit. runs smooth, haven't noticed any issues since moving over.
(DIR) Post #AnX2F7lhnCvV2tf3qq by mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
2024-10-30T12:26:18.998741Z
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@jae @newt @captainepoch @sleroq wait conduwuit is an actual thing?
(DIR) Post #AnX2MpeT2B9jArx1vs by sleroq@quietplace.xyz
2024-10-30T12:27:42.658Z
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@newt@stereophonic.space @captainepoch@stereophonic.space yea, fair. But it seems like they able to focus on right features, so it feels complete
(DIR) Post #AnX2PSlsYkw753fkcC by sleroq@quietplace.xyz
2024-10-30T12:28:12.493Z
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@mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website @jae@fsebugoutzone.org @newt@stereophonic.space @captainepoch@stereophonic.space lmao
(DIR) Post #AnX2Y22ZJUnUmaZ4qm by newt@stereophonic.space
2024-10-30T12:29:36.879112Z
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@sleroq @captainepoch that's nice, I hope it doesn't die. Is there a way to migrate a working dendrite server to conduit?
(DIR) Post #AnX2cFfaa85kDBpQPI by jae
2024-10-30T12:30:31.899870Z
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@mischievoustomato @newt @captainepoch @sleroq yes, it's a hard fork of conduit. it may not be in all ecosystems, but there's nixpkg, debian, and pretty easy to setup in docker if that's your thing.
(DIR) Post #AnX2xnk369UFxuBqqG by sleroq@quietplace.xyz
2024-10-30T12:34:24.131Z
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@newt@stereophonic.space @captainepoch@stereophonic.space no, unfortunately you lose database :(btw you don't need to import server private key, just use same domain and it works
(DIR) Post #AnX3486GJsAuqJb7tA by mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
2024-10-30T12:35:23.642776Z
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@jae @newt @captainepoch @sleroq i compile from source
(DIR) Post #AnX34CtKVNnjheaMvQ by newt@stereophonic.space
2024-10-30T12:35:21.999444Z
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@sleroq @captainepoch but won't things go haywire with existing accounts?
(DIR) Post #AnX35wR2ezLTFCBIpM by mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
2024-10-30T12:35:52.225825Z
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@newt how does that not happen to me lmao
(DIR) Post #AnX3BBOoS3fh6OdbyS by jae
2024-10-30T12:36:50.675583Z
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@mischievoustomato @newt @captainepoch @sleroq i'm doing the same on alpine at the moment.
(DIR) Post #AnX3DN8XmZT05K4XUu by newt@stereophonic.space
2024-10-30T12:37:04.246059Z
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@mischievoustomato because you're a good boy and use your own registered to your name phone number. Meanwhile, I use an anonymous number paid for with BTC that has never been connected to a real mobile phone.
(DIR) Post #AnX3IXIBS5Jf1t2kwy by mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
2024-10-30T12:38:08.970290Z
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@newt feelsgood to be a good boy fr
(DIR) Post #AnX3U5ySqUZTmMKdG4 by newt@stereophonic.space
2024-10-30T12:40:00.517083Z
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@mischievoustomato who's my little submissive and breedable tomato? You are! :ablobcatfloofpat:
(DIR) Post #AnX3cbBofhNyuNdEjg by sleroq@quietplace.xyz
2024-10-30T12:41:46.255Z
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@newt@stereophonic.space @captainepoch@stereophonic.space you'll lose messages, will have to recreate accounts, local rooms, rejoin.But you won't lose power_levels in remote rooms, which was a surprise for me.It was ok for me because I have like 3 users.
(DIR) Post #AnX3iIHLtUYnzlw8sC by newt@stereophonic.space
2024-10-30T12:42:35.116273Z
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@sleroq @captainepoch that's unfortunate. Perchance, should the need arise, I'll come up with a migration script.
(DIR) Post #AnX3shWYt4yTBj0td2 by mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
2024-10-30T12:44:39.121861Z
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@newt lmao i walked right into that one
(DIR) Post #AnX5uafdXWpOQ4Hqsa by m0xee@social.librem.one
2024-10-30T13:07:26Z
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@newt How is it dead? This came up on my feed just yesterday: https://matrix.org/blog/2024/10/29/matrix-2.0-is-here/And from what I see, not all these specs are client-side. Dendrite (Is it the implementation in Go? 🤔) might be dead, maybe they have just abandoned it as they don't even mention it in the announcement, lol… But the protocol itself looks pretty much alive to me, they've even redone the video calls so maybe we can have those not in Web-based clients only.
(DIR) Post #AnX6j65R0eqiKlRAHY by cnx@awkward.place
2024-10-30T12:56:26.848065Z
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@sleroq, is there a DB migration path?cc: @newt & @captainepoch
(DIR) Post #AnX6j6qaBMYygzUols by sleroq@quietplace.xyz
2024-10-30T13:16:33.752Z
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@cnx@awkward.place @newt@stereophonic.space @captainepoch@stereophonic.space Not that I know of. They suggest setting up new instance on same domain without shutting down old one, so users can migrate manually.You can ask around in the conduwuit/conduit chats. Someone wanted to do a dendrite migration script a while back, but it's a lot of work and I haven't heard any updates on it.
(DIR) Post #AnX6oGBAufZz5EaGem by sleroq@quietplace.xyz
2024-10-30T13:17:29.426Z
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@cnx@awkward.place @newt@stereophonic.space @captainepoch@stereophonic.space Not that I know of. They suggest setting up new instance on same domain without shutting down old one, so users can migrate manually.You can ask around in the conduwuit/conduit chats. Someone wanted to do a dendrite migration script a while back, but it's a lot of work and I haven't heard any updates on it.
(DIR) Post #AnX7Dj1smnMPnfNdtQ by newt@stereophonic.space
2024-10-30T13:21:49.901922Z
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@m0xee they aren't client side. Sliding sync and native voice/video calls require server code.The protocol is alive, but the code isn't developed by Matrix Foundation anymore. Read my post carefully. Also, I had video calls working in nheko (it's in C++/Qt) since forever just fine.
(DIR) Post #AnXBXe6rBeIy9MSfKa by meowski@fluf.club
2024-10-30T14:10:30.270816Z
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@m0xee @newt disappointing that they promote bluesky and dog on elon musk
(DIR) Post #AnXDupJnsXZnTxhLsW by m0xee@social.librem.one
2024-10-30T14:37:07Z
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@newt Yeah, true.> but the code isn't developed by Matrix Foundation anymoreWasn't it the model for quite some time already? 🤔 I mean they don't do it themselves at this point, but they might hire others to implement certain parts.> video calls working in nheko (it's in C++/Qt)Good! I've only used Nheko on my Windows machine — because compared to Windows even Qt doesn't seem that bad ðŸ¤I've seen some settings related to it, but I wasn't sure it wasn't a just a placeholder and that it works.
(DIR) Post #AnXE7JkUZ4p1Ks8aw4 by m0xee@social.librem.one
2024-10-30T14:39:23Z
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@meowski They also maintain presence here, so I don't care.Wouldn't it be more surprising for a foundation behind a decentralised protocol to do the opposite: promoting centralised Twitter (even compared to Blue Skype it is) and Elon Musk, who is behind it? 🤔@newt
(DIR) Post #AnXKtNIJHlATxNFpp2 by meowski@fluf.club
2024-10-30T15:55:16.806777Z
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@m0xee @newt i wouldn't expect them to promote or demote it. clearly though musk isn't "ruining" it he's improving it by allowing free(er) speech so making that comment just screams "we are libtards"
(DIR) Post #AnXLGFYeDQmscfnu9g by newt@stereophonic.space
2024-10-30T15:59:09.083360Z
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@meowski @m0xee that might be the case, but from the technical perspective twatter has turned for the worse. Third-party clients are banned, the UI is horrible, 20-30% of posts are ads.
(DIR) Post #AnXMWK9syiPxTkRz9s by m0xee@social.librem.one
2024-10-30T16:13:33Z
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@meowski You might be right in general, but I don't think it means that in this particular context, check out what they are referring to — it's about removing the block feature on account level, this isn't about censorship or lack of thereof and thus has nothing to do with free speech. Besides, most right-leaning people seem to be okay with it, but Twitter becoming bot-infested is a fact, so him "ruining it" is irrelevant to his political alignment.@newt
(DIR) Post #AnXMnpAmv6pMakDWhU by m0xee@social.librem.one
2024-10-30T16:16:42Z
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@meowski I can agree — them being politically opinionated is bad… ish, but if you think that it's bad for them to just be in a different camp, then I can't agree and like I already said it would be weird for them to support Musk even if they were on the same team: give or take Twitter is still centralised and they stand for decentralisation.@newt
(DIR) Post #AnXMphWQKz3jRRERWq by meowski@fluf.club
2024-10-30T16:17:00.886379Z
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@m0xee @newt he's removed bots not increased them. it's always had a huhe number of bots.i don't know what you're talking about with the block feature. they just said he's ruining twitter.
(DIR) Post #AnXMw73SJuN8MqjvdI by meowski@fluf.club
2024-10-30T16:18:11.807146Z
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@m0xee @newt this is obviously just some political bias against musk. has no basis in reality
(DIR) Post #AnXiE3VMM6DBbjBkoK by m0xee@social.librem.one
2024-10-30T20:16:45Z
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@meowski > he's removed bots not increased themI've seen a couple of papers that I have no reasons not to trust — both claiming that the number has increased drastically. Maybe it did improve in the recent months, I don't know.> they just said he's ruining twitterThe "destroy Twitter" in "Elon continues to destroy Twitter" is a link to an article about the removal of block feature, or rather about limiting it to DMs only — I'm not a user and can't confirm, but it is what it is 🤷@newt
(DIR) Post #AnXik7n9x3gWAco2Yi by meowski@fluf.club
2024-10-30T20:22:31.998061Z
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@m0xee @newt charging money and demanding phone numbers has to have cut down drastically on it. i think they were under-reported before he bought itfrom what i heard, they removed block but you can still mute. i also don't have an account though. "destroying" is a bit harsh just because snowflakes don't want people to be able to read their posts- again, libtardsat any rate, it's not very relevant to compare matrix to twitter in terms of centralization. they have different roles
(DIR) Post #AnXyMLeENlJnScJXtY by newt@stereophonic.space
2024-10-30T23:17:25.900728Z
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@scathach "But Lisp is a good language for prototyping"and then reddit was rewritten from lisp into python lmao
(DIR) Post #AnY0EO2ln5UoTz7ivA by newt@stereophonic.space
2024-10-30T23:38:17.612689Z
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@scathach there's this problem with CL that it attracts lots of dumbasses just because it looks cool and has this magical aura of ancient arcane knowledge around it. Then this shit happens.
(DIR) Post #AnY9m4u0Mb4OYAADui by parker@cawfee.club
2024-10-31T01:25:25.177249Z
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@newt Now if element will just go into maintenance mode, I won't ever have to log into my server again.
(DIR) Post #AnYPdrpifWnsy0GYxk by m0xEE@breloma.m0xee.net
2024-10-31T04:22:35.117174Z
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@meowski > they have different rolesSure they do, one is a messaging protocol and the other is a microblogging site but decentralisation is a very important core principle, if you need centralised authority either for granting you free speech (the way you see it) or to do censorship — you might not want it. I just don't see how you might want it for instant messaging, but not for microblogging, if you want something like Twitter, you'd rather be using something like Telegram.> don't want people to be able to read their postsWhat was wrong with letting people decide for themselves who can or cannot read their posts? If you think it's fine to do it to "piss the libs" — you aren't neutral, you are just as opinionated and you do not stand for greater freedom, you also want to be the one setting the rules for others — you just have a different vision of what rules should be.> again, libtardsNo matter how I look at it, I just don't see it — you might not like them for criticising Musk, but their point about the removal of feature is at least valid. Whether this ruins the platform or not is of course debatable — but it's their opinion and if you stand for freedom of speech, you should be fine with them having it.Under this angle their being opinionated is more fair: they just express it — you might not like it, you might not like them for having such an opinion, you might not like Matrix because of it — but that won't prevent you from using it, they can't tell you how to run your server. Unlike Musk who CAN tell others what they can do. Yep, we all know why this is the case: he has money in the game, but if we admit that, let us not pretend that he's above the fray: unlike them he not only has an opinion, but has the power to influence others — that's what comes with centralisation. And that's the way I see their article: Elon Musk removes the feature that some people might want and they don't like it, which would not be possible on decentralised platforms => decentralised platforms win. You might not like their wording, but it's still valid criticism and a valid point FOR decentralisation — disregarding that just because you like Elon Musk and they criticise his *choices* (but not his opinions) doesn't seem rational.All in all, I'd rather be on their side here than I would be on his.> charging money and demanding phone numbers has to have cut down drastically on itCorrect, but measures being taken does not mean they were effective. Such measures might be effective to prevent regular SPAM, but both studies I'm referring to were about disinformation campaigns — hard to verify their numbers, but again, I have no reasons not to trust it. When state/political actors are at play such measures as requiring a phone number or a registration fee would hardly be effective, unlike persons of small businesses they CAN afford it.@m0xee @newt
(DIR) Post #Andr3XLeX9EQDZPonI by fn@p.node.pk
2024-11-02T19:12:23.495620Z
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@captainepoch @mischievoustomato @sleroq @newt https://old.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1dp08qi/matrix_server_software_which_one_to_choose/lae14g3/i tried conduit for a couple of days before i found that post, then switched to conduwuit. it was not a drop-in replacement like they claim -- it couldn't import my conduit database. (maybe because i was running a conduit nightly build.) conduwuit's focus right now, according to their issue tracker, is fewer features, more bugfixes.i am not familiar with matrix's room types, but i can't join #elixirlang:matrix.org using conduwuit (incompatible room error). i can join lemmy's dev room, and #pleroma:matrix.org. the main person i usually discuss matrix issues with is awol this weekend, so i haven't figured it out yet.
(DIR) Post #AndrDTgB1tfJjbkuJ6 by newt@stereophonic.space
2024-11-02T19:25:37.606214Z
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@fn @mischievoustomato @sleroq @captainepoch >Can I try it out?>An official conduwuit server ran by me is available at transfem.dev>RustWhy am I not surprised?
(DIR) Post #Andsi5YarjOZqsMvg0 by mischievoustomato@mitra.taihou.website
2024-11-02T19:41:55.258377Z
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@newt @captainepoch @fn @sleroq fwiw the og dev of conduit seems to be a normal guy