Post AnSyXogagi6w2kvRDM by mcv@friendica.opensocial.space
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(DIR) Post #AnBGHyz2LpeAbSPoxM by Daojoan@mastodon.social
2024-10-19T22:19:34Z
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If the West cedes Ukraine to Russia, they might as well put a bow on Taiwan for China.
(DIR) Post #AnBGHzjTZAnGvU8uLA by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-10-20T00:19:45Z
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@Daojoan either we have a declaration of war and commit fully with our troops or we stop giving Ukraine weapons. in between only means the endless death of both Russians and Ukrainians while enriching the MIC.
(DIR) Post #AnBmUPirxT1vXdpC5Y by cohentheblue@ohai.social
2024-10-20T06:20:45Z
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@wjmaggos @Daojoan Stopping giving arms to Ukraine effectively means killing them. Pretty sure Russia will finish what they started, just as they have with dozens of small nations that are either fully killed, dispersed in Siberia or have completely abandoned their culture and language for russian. Doesn't matter that they have though since they're still considered expendable subhumans by true russians. Most soldiers forcibly recruited are from the edges of the empire. Moscow is almost excluded.
(DIR) Post #AnBnU6B6ixlusaRk0W by cohentheblue@ohai.social
2024-10-20T06:32:00Z
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@wjmaggos @Daojoan Stopping giving arms to Ukraine effectively means killing them. Pretty sure Russia will finish what they started, as they have with dozens of small nations that are either killed, dispersed in Siberia or have abandoned their culture and language for russian. Doesn't matter that they have since they're still considered expendable subhumans by true russians. Most soldiers forcibly recruited are from the edges of the empire. Moscow is almost excluded.
(DIR) Post #AnFLEQYDBuxtLXpdsu by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-10-21T23:34:09Z
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@wjmaggos> either we have a declaration of war and commit fully with our troops or we stop giving Ukraine weaponsDo you think the US declaring war on China would make Taiwan safer? Quite the opposite. Do you think Russia declaring war on the US would have helped matters during the invasion of Afghanistan? I don't, and same with Russia and Ukraine. You're proposing to put the fire out by throwing a petrol truck in it.(1/2) @Daojoan
(DIR) Post #AnFLES2NfEgvxOxFY0 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-10-21T23:34:09Z
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(2/2)The only difference between the current situation, and the one you propose, is that it would be World War 3. I don't think that would help Ukraine, and it certainly wouldn't help the rest of us.Also, we're talking about a failing empire that's arming and making excuses for genocide in Gaza. The US has no right to the moral high ground here, and starting a World War would only speed their demise.
(DIR) Post #AnFLslzIuNgdPok5q4 by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-10-21T23:41:26Z
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@strypey I think I agree with all that. my preference is stop arming Ukraine and work out a peace deal. the other options are WW3 or an endless grinding death machine for people we don't know. we choose the latter cause it makes us feel good and makes donors rich (and probably helps our economy but I'm not yet cynical enough to say most Americans support it for that reason).
(DIR) Post #AnFNHIfHASSHfJdLyC by gentoobro@shitpost.cloud
2024-10-21T23:57:13.376298Z
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endless death of both Russians and Ukrainians while enriching the MIC.Exactly as planned, on both sides.
(DIR) Post #AnFb46BHfYwsXdCkBk by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2024-10-22T02:31:07Z
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@strypey Russia don't want Ukraine, they just don't want OUR missiles on their border.
(DIR) Post #AnHnStsA9kbvNCm0WW by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-10-23T03:59:56Z
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@nanook> Russia don't want UkraineThat clearly isn't true. See Putin's invented history essay about how Ukraine is really part of Russian because of the Kievan Rus.Then listen to Timothy Snyder's lecture series about the history of Ukraine, which explains how Russia is descended from the Mongol Rus, not the Eastern European Rus.https://yalepodcasts.blubrry.net/category/making-of-modern-ukraine/feed/podcast/> they just don't want OUR missiles on their borderUS missiles don't need to be anywhere near the Russian border to be a threat.
(DIR) Post #AnHneArHLOElEsjfgu by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2024-10-23T04:01:56Z
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Being near the border means no time for Russians to intercept or respond, same reason we had issues with them putting missiles in Cuba.
(DIR) Post #AnHnrFd8ufoNntMKki by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-10-23T04:04:21Z
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@wjmaggos> my preference is stop arming Ukraine and work out a peace deal. the other options are WW3 or an endless grinding death machine for people we don't knowYou're assuming Ukrainians can't push Russia out of their territory. The progress of the war so far suggests otherwise. With sufficient support from the international community, they certainly could.If international institutions can't stop empires arbitrarily invading their smaller neighbours, what use are they? That's a minimum.
(DIR) Post #AnHo3sLUnPwNLu7nSC by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-10-23T04:06:40Z
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(2/2)If international institutions can't stop empires arbitrarily invading their smaller neighbours, what use are they? That's a minimum condition for being a useful thing for smaller countries to participate in.
(DIR) Post #AnHsxI4FGRu2s2jeKG by mcv@friendica.opensocial.space
2024-10-23T04:56:30Z
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@wjmaggos @strypeyWhat kind of peace deal do you think you can get from Putin? He only wants surrender. Ukraine will never accept that; they'll continue to fight.
(DIR) Post #AnHsxIY1TjiqMOfQjw by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2024-10-23T05:01:19Z
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@mcv @strypey @wjmaggos I think if he agrees to not let Nato expand, then something will be doable, and I don't really think they CAN continue to fight without US arms exports.
(DIR) Post #AnHt2D47I01eny1LyC by mcv@friendica.opensocial.space
2024-10-23T04:58:52Z
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@nanook @strypeyThey quite clearly do want Ukraine. And if all they wanted was no US missiles on their border, this war would have never happened.
(DIR) Post #AnHt2Dw03f7xV5ENxQ by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2024-10-23T05:02:14Z
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@mcv @strypey I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. I've listened to a number of Putin's lengthy speeches so I do feel relatively qualified to understand what he wants in this regard.
(DIR) Post #AnI1feXhrXlsx2BEUS by mcv@friendica.opensocial.space
2024-10-23T05:14:05Z
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@nanook @strypeyWhich ones? Because he's been quite open about seeing Ukraine as part of Russia, he claimed parts of Ukraine as part of Russia, and often denies the legitimacy of Ukraine as an independent country. All his "peace" proposals involve annexing large chunks of Ukraine.And he started his war without there being any US missiles headed for Ukraine. The only US missiles that are there, are there because of his war.So you can disagree on the facts, but you'd be fooling only yourself.
(DIR) Post #AnI1ffNojnSHYeYqiO by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2024-10-23T06:39:07Z
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@mcv @strypey You can make up facts, but you are fooling yourself, and given the nature of social media probably a handful of others, but given the way nz handled the Covid crisis I can only say I'm glad I'm not there.
(DIR) Post #AnI3kvtSymYA7X0HfU by mcv@friendica.opensocial.space
2024-10-23T06:55:06Z
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@nanook @strypeyDid I miss part of the conversation? I thought we were talking about Putin and Ukraine. What do NZ and COVID have to do with it?
(DIR) Post #AnI3kx6cTMfJscAIoC by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2024-10-23T07:02:22Z
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@mcv @strypey Just saying they have much different values in your country when it comes to freedom and such so probably going to make for some different views. Perspective, you know like how if you look at a cylinder head on it's a circle but look at it from the side and it's a rectangle.
(DIR) Post #AnITIBA9jARrt4lALQ by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2024-10-23T11:48:28Z
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I would assume that if the same conditions that precipitated the first attack reoccurred, so would the attack.
(DIR) Post #AnIV5yZIvXqNGApcJ6 by mcv@friendica.opensocial.space
2024-10-23T11:53:02Z
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@nanookWell, that would be unacceptable. Ukraine wants to be able to chart its own course, and not be forced to follow Moscow's lead.And that's what this war is really about: Ukraine refusing to act as a Russian vassal state like Belarus.
(DIR) Post #AnIV5zcsziIqXZVzWq by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2024-10-23T12:08:38Z
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@mcv It may be unacceptable for those who are intent on putting missiles on Russias border and/or abusing Ukrainian citizens that happen to speak Russian, but I think both of these conditions are unacceptable and don't blame Putin for acting against them.
(DIR) Post #AnJmlQgBD1MEhDMMcq by mcv@friendica.opensocial.space
2024-10-23T15:10:45Z
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@nanookYou're living in Putin's fantasy land. Nobody is intent on putting missiles on Russia's border except Russia. And the only one abusing Ukrainian citizens is Putin.Russian-speaking Ukrainians, like Zelensky, were fine before Russia invaded. Same with the missiles. These are just excuses that Putin has made to justify his war. And you're spreading his propaganda on his behalf.
(DIR) Post #AnJmlRNQcDx6rLau2K by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2024-10-24T03:01:07Z
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@mcv No I'm living in the USA but rather than just regurgitating MSNBC, I've actually listened to Putin's speeches, looked at the history of the region and put some thought into it.
(DIR) Post #AnK2wW8WrFq24bveaW by mcv@friendica.opensocial.space
2024-10-24T05:34:38Z
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@nanookAnd your conclusion is to regurgitate Putin's propaganda instead of looking at what's actually going on?
(DIR) Post #AnK2wXB2zNRlIi7B9U by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2024-10-24T06:02:37Z
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@mcv Your lack of historical knowledge does not make it propaganda. But your insulting approach to discussion does get you banned.
(DIR) Post #AnRrVrC5UyE2PCogNs by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-10-28T00:32:23Z
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@nanook > given the way nz handled the Covid crisis I can only say I'm glad I'm not thereI was lucky enough to be in Aotearoa (NZ) when the pandemic hit, instead of in China where I was living at the time (a few hours from Wuhan!). Aotearoa had among the lowest deaths per capita in the world in the first 2 years of the pandemic. In late 2020, we were going about our lives in a COVID-free country, while millions were dying in the US and elswhere.I think we handled it just fine mate.@mcv
(DIR) Post #AnS3EXuX8e4n7w7Liy by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-10-28T02:43:44Z
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@toiletpaper > The eastern half of Ukraine including coastal areas like Odessa have always been largely Russian speaking areas since before USSR was dissolvedRight out of the gate you're uncritically parroting Putin's lines, and you expect me to take anything you say on this subject seriously?Learn some history and get back to us;https://online.yale.edu/courses/making-modern-ukraine@wjmaggos
(DIR) Post #AnS3qmCYSEhiS8mCqu by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-10-28T02:50:39Z
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@nanook> I don't really think they CAN continue to fight without US arms exportsAll the more reason that any country who cares about their borders being safe from arbitrary invasion ought to be sending Ukraine whatever military support they can use. Hell, if George Orwell were alive today, he'd be heading to Ukraine to fight with the anarchist militias; https://www.npr.org/2023/06/11/1181547675/ukraines-anarchists-have-come-together-in-support-of-the-war... just like he did in the International Brigades fighting Franco in Spain.@wjmaggos @mcv @toiletpaper
(DIR) Post #AnS5GBpwNd5H9Xsg5Y by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-10-28T03:06:10Z
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@toiletpaper @strypey you guys are both invited to have this "discussion" on my show tonight. I think you both have merit.https://talk.culturewar.radio
(DIR) Post #AnSMv51mIcRZ82V9Yu by mcv@friendica.opensocial.space
2024-10-28T06:19:37Z
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@toiletpaper @strypey @wjmaggosThe article explains their position quite well, and there's nothing retarded about it. Conquest by Russia will be infinitely worse. In a free Ukraine, they can continue to work towards their ideals, in Russia, they can't. WW2 also saw many different groups unite against the occupier.
(DIR) Post #AnSMv5wqsQ65z3CjWS by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2024-10-28T06:24:26.855165Z
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@mcv @wjmaggos @strypey > In a free Ukraine...Good luck with that.
(DIR) Post #AnSTTsnKNBM735ikjI by mcv@friendica.opensocial.space
2024-10-28T06:52:30Z
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@toiletpaper @strypey @wjmaggosThat's why they're fighting.
(DIR) Post #AnSTTtxI3cv2eHODtg by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2024-10-28T07:37:58.534404Z
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@mcv @wjmaggos @strypey > As a self-styled antifascist, he sees it as his duty to fight on the side of Ukraine.Along side Azov battalion no doubt...> ...in his native Belarus.Okay then.I'm sure it makes for a nice fleeting feel-good story to help con gullible radical leftists, but sadly is indicative of colossal naivete. Useful idiots are a dime a dozen these days.I'm not trying to say that Russia is some kind of utopian society that bears no responsibility, or that Putin is an angel, but you gotta be pretty fucking oblivious to world events not recognise the spin happening in Western media. This situation with Russia was 100% predictable. John Mearsheimer spelled out exactly what's happening a decade ago.https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4I was aware of this Ukraine situation back in 2014 and earlier when the "Ukraine is chock-o-block with NeoNazis!" narrative was all over the Western media, long before it the suddenly changed their tune and declared their own stories are now "Russian propaganda.". Meanwhile our leaders were over there scrambling for photo ops with those same NeoNazis, or inviting them here on paid speaking tours to evangelise the coming war.https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20824693https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-7-2014-003446_EN.htmlhttps://www.salon.com/2014/02/25/is_the_us_backing_neo_nazis_in_ukraine_partner/https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/03/ukraines-phantom-neo-nazi-menace/359650/https://thegrayzone.com/2018/07/02/video-congress-welcomes-an-actual-fascist-as-nazi-violence-rages-in-ukraine/https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2018-07-09/ty-article/rights-groups-demand-israel-stop-arming-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine/0000017f-e080-d7b2-a77f-e3870e1c0000https://nationalpost.com/news/stephen-harper-travelling-to-ukraine-on-march-22You had to be either asleep or a complete retard not to bat an eyelash at the sudden about face. But sure, some naive barely out of their teens radicals with the circle-A tattooed on their foreheads took up arms to fight along side these people. Good for them I guess. Derp!
(DIR) Post #AnSWnd4kpCgfx3ymrw by mcv@friendica.opensocial.space
2024-10-28T08:09:21Z
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@toiletpaper @strypey @wjmaggosThe main blame the West has in regards to the situation in Ukraine, is that they didn't commit to the defence of Ukraine's independence. Putin thought he had a window of opportunity and took it.I'm not going to watch yet another hour long boring lecture, but Mearsheimer has said explicitly that he's arguing from a 19th century imperialist balance of powers perspective, and that perspective is woefully outdated. The world now cares about each country's right to self-determination, a right that Putin clearly denies his neighbours. Ukraine should have the right to choose its own future, and Russia did confirm that right in 1993. It's just Putin who doesn't give a shit about other countries.
(DIR) Post #AnSWndqFyagWKOCiuW by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2024-10-28T08:15:09.473814Z
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@mcv @wjmaggos @strypey > The world now cares about each country's right to self-determination...Right. Because the USA, UK, Israel and so on are such paragons of virtue in that regard... Smh. What a sick joke!Too bad that right to self-determination doesn't apply to Donetsk, Luhansk, Crimea, Transnistria, etc, when they vote in constitutional referendums to declare independence. It only applies when NATO backed Ukrainian NeoNazis performs an unconstitutional coup d'etat against their democratically elected leader before waging an ethnic cleansing on their own citizens for nearly a decade.
(DIR) Post #AnSX1ukVuawUorK8KO by phnt@fluffytail.org
2024-10-28T08:17:43.061841Z
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@mcv @wjmaggos @strypey @toiletpaper They are both Slavic nationalities trying to kill each other. Nothing new in history and something that will repeat until the end of time.
(DIR) Post #AnSyXogagi6w2kvRDM by mcv@friendica.opensocial.space
2024-10-28T10:46:06Z
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@toiletpaper @strypey @wjmaggosDo you really believe a referendum at gun point is fair? I'm all for referenda in those regions, but not the way Putin does them.Repeating that claim of ethnic cleansing exposes you as a Putin propagandist. The ethnic cleansing there is coming entirely from Russia.
(DIR) Post #AnSyXq1XiISsC1jgVk by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-10-28T13:25:44Z
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@mcv @strypey @toiletpaper I believe people want their nations to be independent. To be able to have any laws/policy they want without the influence of other countries. To be able to work out trade deals with multiple sides in these larger conflicts to maximize their own gain. I think it's clear that both the EU/US and Russia don't want that and have been involved in Ukraine in ways we'd all call both legal and illegal. The sustainable solution here is actually enforcing another UN agreement.
(DIR) Post #AnT09LfD8khuzUjyJU by mcv@friendica.opensocial.space
2024-10-28T13:32:24Z
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@wjmaggos @strypey @toiletpaperHow do you think you're going to get a UN agreement when Russia has veto power?And there was an agreement. Russia and Ukraine agreed on independence. Russia and the US promised to respect and defend Ukraine's territorial integrity. Russia violated that. It's undeniable that Russia is completely in the wrong here. They are the aggressor. They had no reason to do any of this, other than to assert power over Ukraine and prevent Ukraine of choosing a future too independent from Russia.And I'm not denying that the US has been wrong in many, many cases in the past (as has Russia), but in this particular case, the only mistake the US has made is not committing early on to the defense of Ukraine.
(DIR) Post #AnT09MuqU6o8sH3yK0 by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-10-28T13:43:40Z
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@mcv @strypey @toiletpaper Military aggression is not the only way to violate a nation's independence. See US coups around the world. See the leaked Nuland phone call. Look at the Minsk agreements. Consider Obama refusing to give them weapons and saying Russia will forever be more concerned re Ukraine than we could be. Imagine Russia flipping Mexico and training and arming them and our response. This didn't start in 2022 just like the Israeli/Palestinian conflict didn't start with October 7th.
(DIR) Post #AnT1OCKkDAcELsoPSa by mcv@friendica.opensocial.space
2024-10-28T13:48:47Z
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@wjmaggos @strypey @toiletpaperIt's good that you're aware of all of that, and yes, invasion was of course not Russia's first choice to control Ukraine. They tried politics and manipulation first, and resorted to violence only when the people of Ukraine didn't tolerate Russian meddling. That still doesn't justify their escalation to invasion. And neither does any of the other stuff you mention.
(DIR) Post #AnT1OCtq6ggk6jERA8 by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-10-28T13:57:13Z
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@mcv @strypey @toiletpaper As I said. Russia meddled. The EU/US meddled. While Russia has bigger reasons to be concerned about what was going on there than the US would just like if this was happening in Mexico. I believe US would invade Mexico if this was all reversed. Zelensky won a landslide on a platform of eliminating the corruption and a peace deal for the civil war in the east. That all points to what I said, they felt fucked with by both sides and were desperate to end it. He didn't.
(DIR) Post #AnT20squZlCDE4IxWa by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-10-28T14:04:37Z
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@mcv @strypey @toiletpaper And while I would not support invading Mexico either, I would be extremely concerned about just letting Russia determine the govt there and promote antagonism towards us and train them and supply them with weapons. Especially if everything else was reversed too. If Russia was a much more powerful country. If it had much more influence over the world economic system than we did. If it had bases everywhere. If it had started coups and long wars far from its borders.
(DIR) Post #AnT29RtQBDiMDcYxeq by Waerloga
2024-10-28T14:06:28.860385Z
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@toiletpaper*applause* @mcv @strypey @wjmaggos
(DIR) Post #AnT9iGhkT8TpKjeZTU by mcv@friendica.opensocial.space
2024-10-28T15:31:09Z
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@wjmaggos @strypey @toiletpaperThe US is not determining the government in Ukraine. They're mere;y willing to do business with them. The real issue is that Ukraine wants to join the EU and NATO. That's the thing that Putin wants to prevent.And I don't think the US would invade Mexico if Mexico wanted to enter into any treaty with Russia. They're also not currently meddling with Mexican elections or demanding that Mexico does what the US wants (except for Trump and paying for that wall, I suppose).Now, if Russia was going to place nukes there, that might be a different issue, but that's a few steps beyond the situation in Ukraine.If you want to see what the US does with imagined threats in its back yard, Cuba might provide a good example. There the US did support an invasion (the Bay of Pigs) in support of Cuban exiles trying to take back the country after Castro ousted Batista. That might be considered somewhat comparable to Russia supporting Donbass separatists who disagreed with the ousting of Yanukovich (although the actual removal from office was done by an overwhelming majority of parliament, which was obviously not the case in Cuba). Still, the Bay of Pigs invasion did not lead to a years long campaign of destruction, and was generally considered to have been a stupid idea. Putin imprisons people for pointing out the stupidity of his idea.The Russian invasion of Ukraine is much more in line with the Soviet invasions of Hungary in 1956, Czechoslovakia in 1968, or the destruction of Chechnya at the start of Putin's reign: those were countries asserting or declaring their independence, and that's not something Russia tolerates.But Ukraine had been independent for 20 years when Russia took Crimea and the Donbass, and 30 when they launched the full scale invasion. The problem is that Putin expected them to not really exercise that independence, but behave as effectively a vassal state, like Belarus, and the Ukrainian people didn't want that. They very explicitly didn't want that, and had voted they didn't want that. The parliament had approved a treaty with the EU by a very large majority, but Yanukovich caved to Russian pressure instead.That's what happened there: Russia pressuring Yanukovich to ignore the explicit will of the people and seek closer ties with Russia instead, and then seeing the fruits of their manipulations pulled away when Yanukovich was removed from office, killing Putin's chances of controlling a puppet government in Ukraine.
(DIR) Post #AnTSJQcUMjwdyT3uPQ by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2024-10-28T18:59:36.447456Z
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@mcv @wjmaggos @strypey That's a lot of words to say "Slava Fascisti!"> The US is not determining the government in Ukraine.Keep telling yourself that in spite of the fact that all evidence blatantly demonstrates the contrary. Ukraine is no less a puppet government now than it ever was under Russian influence. The EU are USA/UK's butt boy for all intents and purposes. This situation has nothing whatsoever to do with liberating the people of Ukraine. It has everything to do with controlling the resources and squeezing Russia out of the oil/energy market in the EU. Currently Blackrock owns 30% of the country's arable land, so there's that too. You think that's about Ukrainian freedom? lol. Keep telling yourself that. Practically the entire adult population of the country is taking a permanent dirt nap already. It won't be the survivors who inherit the country. It'll be globalist corporations and their corrupt oligarchies. Business as usual. Useful idiots like you are the sideshow that helps enable it.
(DIR) Post #AnTTZhALocvckcNnHs by mcv@friendica.opensocial.space
2024-10-28T19:13:41Z
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@toiletpaper @strypey @wjmaggosThat's a lot of words to say "Slava Fascisti!"That's not me saying that, it's you. You're the one defending Russian fascist aggression and criticism those who oppose it. I'm with the antifascists.The idea that the EU is somehow the UK's butt boy is laughable. You must have missed a lot of news in the past 8 years. And the EU is also one of the few economic powers that can significantly push back against the US, and has done so many times.And for the EU, the goal is absolutely the liberation of Ukraine. You may have other goals, but this is what the EU cares about. Because many EU countries have been in a very similar position regarding Russia, and sympathize with the people of Ukraine. This is the primary drive of the support for Ukraine. The oil people are the ones who are hesitant, exactly because they liked having access to Russian oil. See Germany's hesitancy.So you can keep your fascist propaganda. You've got no idea of the real stakes here.
(DIR) Post #AnTUcjGoY3qI6GPt8y by mcv@friendica.opensocial.space
2024-10-28T19:25:28Z
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@phnt @strypey @wjmaggos @toiletpaperAre Slavic countries particularly known for constantly fighting each other? It's mostly been Russia oppressing Slavic countries. The others tend to get along fine.
(DIR) Post #AnTkCiVqLD33UJ441Y by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2024-10-28T22:20:04.782724Z
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@mcv @wjmaggos @strypey > ...defending Russian fascist aggression...Not really. I'm simply pointing out that your black vs white good vs evil dichotomy is utterly retarded and out of touch with reality. As to fascism, objectively Ukrainian nationalism is fascist by definition. Apart from the recent PR spin of the past few years, they're extremely explicit and open about that. But you don't seem to have any problem jumping on that bandwagon, which makes your accusation pathetically amusing. Very typical of the left these days tbh. No matter what side of the ocean they're on they bleat on and on about dumb-o-crazy out the other side of their mouth while supporting explicitly fascist causes.
(DIR) Post #AnTn9Iyd7qDlHfatVI by mcv@friendica.opensocial.space
2024-10-28T22:53:02Z
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@toiletpaper @strypey @wjmaggosAs to fascism, objectively Ukrainian nationalism is fascist by definition.How do you mean "objectively"? Ukrainian nationalism is rooted in wanting to be free from Russian oppression. What is fascist about that?Or are you equating all of Ukraine with this one guy from 85 years ago?Do I need to repeat again that there's nothing fascist about wanting to be free from oppression? That's all they want, and all I support. You trying to paint that as somehow fascist is a Putin tactic. You're doing Putin's work here. You're serving a fascist by painting Ukrainian independence as fascist.There's absolutely nothing left-wing about Russia. Putin presents himself as explicitly right wing and conservative, and his tactics are mostly fascist. He has the support of most of the fascists all over Europe. Including yours, apparently.
(DIR) Post #AnToqePjOlVOAzVFya by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-10-28T23:11:59Z
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@toiletpaper> Gods' speed to those anarchists. But I think they're retarded if they think I'm sure your armchair-eye-view gives you a better understanding of the right strategy for Ukrainian anarchists than the people on the ground ; ) > End of the day they'll get squashed like insignificant bugs, but not after serving as useful idiots for whatever that's worthThe Chiapas and Rojava suggest otherwise. Maybe you're right, but better than being Useful Idiots for Putin.@mcv @wjmaggos
(DIR) Post #AnTvSrSbwKeVMtSAwy by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-10-29T00:26:07Z
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@toiletpaper> If there's been a change in dominant languageYou're missing the point. Putin's line, which you're swallowing hook, line and sinker, is that because these people speak Russian, they want to be governed by Putin. Which is such obvious nonsense it's not even wrong.> 2014 when Russian was outlawedYawm. Citation please. And I don't mean more links to Kremlin spam farms. I mean a credible publication.@wjmaggos
(DIR) Post #AnTwP2wnOF0tn2JiHA by mcv@friendica.opensocial.space
2024-10-29T00:36:39Z
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@toiletpaper @strypey @wjmaggosYou call someone else ignorant as fuck while you repeat the lie that Russian was outlawed in 2014. It wasn't.People are still free to speak Russian if they want to, but many formerly Russian speaking Ukrainians increasingly choose to learn Ukrainian and raise their kids in Ukrainian, because somehow Russia has become extremely unpopular lately.
(DIR) Post #AnTxVuSHShlPQusdXM by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-10-29T00:48:54Z
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@mcv @strypey @toiletpaper https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jun/08/sergey-lavrov/russian-has-not-been-banned-ukraine-despite-repeat/not outlawed. but they made Ukrainian the official language with exceptions for English, but not Russian even though that's what 30% of the population speaks at home. That's a pretty big fuck you to Russians.
(DIR) Post #AnUa56xsjuyScnsFbk by mcv@friendica.opensocial.space
2024-10-29T08:01:18Z
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@wjmaggos @strypey @toiletpaperA fairly minor fuck you to Russians compared to the much bigger fuck you that Russia has been giving Ukraine.But yeah, it wasn't outlawed, and it wasn't in 2014. The whole story is that in 2014 a 2012 law that granted Russian special status was repealed, the repeal vetoed, and eventually, in 2018, the original law was declared unconstitutional.In 2019, a new law was passed about the use of Ukrainian as the official language in all official communication, with excemptions for some languages but not for some others, including Russian. An EU commission expressed concerns, and a 2023 law addressed those concerns.At no point was Russian ever outlawed, and the concerns about the use of Russian as a minority language have been addressed, but somehow Putin fans keep claiming that outlawing Russian somehow justifies the invasion. It wouldn't have, even if it was true, which it's not.
(DIR) Post #AnXBThwSzp0ssTivGC by phnt@fluffytail.org
2024-10-30T14:09:46.582668Z
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@mcv @wjmaggos @strypey @toiletpaper >Are Slavic countries particularly known for constantly fighting each other?Yes, they are known for that. The modern Europe was shaped throughout tens of wars overs hundreds of years. In the medieval ages, Turks and Mongols were pillaging everywhere. Multiple dynasties were competing over land in multiple wars practically all the time. When you skip ahead to the 19th century, the same thing was still happening. In the late 19th century, Russian empire decided it would want more land in Europe (the same land that has already been conquered multiple times by multiple dynasties anyway) and at the end controlled almost half of Europe. (That's where the claim that Ukraine was Russian land comes from, because it really was for 200 years I think. Modern Ukraine as you know it really is quite young.)So when your time frame is after WWII. you see Russians occupying under USSR, you will of course find it somewhat weird and come to the conclusion that Russians like to oppress others (which to some extent they do, but the same could be said about Turks and many nationalities around it.) When you extend the time frame to the medieval ages, you realize that this is simply the same state as it was hundreds of years ago. And it isn't a Europe-only thing. When you look at USA history, you find out that since its creation in late 18th century, they also spent almost 80% of their existence in some kind of a war. The "default" nature of humanity isn't peace, but war and it will stay that way. >The others tend to get along fine.That's not really a thing and never will be. Many modern Slavic countries completely despise their neighbors and did so throughout history. Bosna-Hercegovina and Serbia would be one such example of many. Moldavia, Georgia,... When you look to Central Europe you find that many countries hate both their western and eastern neighbors the same, because of the shared history. If you asked a Czech, Slovak or a Pole before the Ukraine war how they feel about Germany, Ukraine and Russia most of them would probably say that don't really like any of them.
(DIR) Post #AnXHhYZbE2LjbG0xSi by mcv@friendica.opensocial.space
2024-10-30T15:19:25Z
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@phnt @strypey @wjmaggos @toiletpaperMongols and Turks aren't Slavs, though. Russians are, but they are the one big Slavic nation that's know for its aggression and oppression. Maybe Serbia too, but I don't think any of the others are known for their propensity for war.And referring to the Middle Ages is meaningless; western Europe also had plenty of wars, as did the entire rest of the world.Many modern Slavic countries completely despise their neighbors and did so throughout history. Bosna-Hercegovina and Serbia would be one such example of many.Yeah, but that's mostly because of recent Serbian aggression and genocide. It's not like they're always been at war. And like I said, it's Serbia, not all Slavic countries.MoldaviaWhat have they done?GeorgiaAre they Slavic? Or particularly warlike?When you look to Central Europe you find that many countries hate both their western and eastern neighbors the same, because of the shared history. If you asked a Czech, Slovak or a Pole before the Ukraine war how they feel about Germany, Ukraine and Russia most of them would probably say that don't really like any of them.They don't like their former oppressors, but most Slavic countries between Russia and Germany/Austria have mostly been the victims of other people's wars. And Germans aren't Slavs.It's still weird to single out Slavs as particularly warlike. Russia, yes. But the others not any more so than any other country.