Post AnR29TaRUf4F9jmLui by shironeko@fedi.tesaguri.club
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(DIR) Post #AnPH6ucpcPPd8sDCq0 by soller@fosstodon.org
2024-10-26T17:52:47Z
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Why does GNOME have a bad reputation?Asked and answered in this thread.https://mastodon.social/@alatiera/113368117089655171
(DIR) Post #AnQrEE5RS08n2HLCYi by tripplehelix@fosstodon.org
2024-10-26T18:06:28Z
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@soller I'm glad Brodie's there to fight the good fight. I can't deal with how awful gnome devs are.
(DIR) Post #AnQrEFRoOJd3Fwoa48 by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2024-10-27T12:54:37Z
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@tripplehelix @soller It's a mistake I'm not planning to make again, I've realized that no progress is ever going to be made
(DIR) Post #AnQrKmvwntNWqh1rlY by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2024-10-27T12:55:49Z
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@edfloreshz @rijnhard @soller I certainly don't think there's a conspiracy here, it's just that people with similar mindsets tend to gravitate towards each other
(DIR) Post #AnQt1H1FR8jUH3KZOq by soller@fosstodon.org
2024-10-27T13:14:42Z
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@BrodieOnLinux @tripplehelix Why'd they end up arguing over what the word standard means rather than take even a second to consider application developers who have been asking for server side decorations and aren't able to make changes to wayland protocol requirements?Wayland has been forced on applications and needs to support their use cases! This is why COSMIC, like many other compositors, supports server side decorations.
(DIR) Post #AnQvJK6OucosxOTXeK by ljs@social.kernel.org
2024-10-27T13:17:57.132893Z
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@soller @BrodieOnLinux @tripplehelix reading this thread makes me very glad I use i3/sway
(DIR) Post #AnQvJLdPDOoZi2vPjU by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2024-10-27T13:40:20Z
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@ljs @soller @tripplehelix if it works it works, sway and i3 are great window managers.
(DIR) Post #AnQveYOexdMxN78hoe by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2024-10-27T13:44:13Z
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@soller @tripplehelix There are some answers I certainly could give but that might make the arguments get even more aggressive.
(DIR) Post #AnQw1IvMeZKM2rHjY8 by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2024-10-27T13:48:15Z
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@aks @soller @tripplehelix With decades of Windows developers sort of doing whatever they want, exploiting holes in standards that were never fully defined, and then the even longer history of X11 allowing for some of the dumbest application designs known to man there's a lot of legacy baggage that you sort of just have to accept is how real world software works.
(DIR) Post #AnQwDRWaVFvaC4U4yO by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2024-10-27T13:50:31Z
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@aks @soller @tripplehelix There's some sensible attempts to sure up some of those issues but it's a long and arduous journey where a lot of the early Wayland assumptions of how applications are made turned out to completely and utterly false and extensions have had to be developed to allow for some of the more reasonable choices developers have made through out history.
(DIR) Post #AnQwDhuZZqcX15pSa0 by aks@scalie.zone
2024-10-27T13:50:29Z
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@BrodieOnLinux @soller @tripplehelix definitely, if one can avoid hacks its the best thing to do but in some rare cases theres nothing else you can do..
(DIR) Post #AnQwXpyHJx7lnzA2ca by soller@fosstodon.org
2024-10-27T13:54:12Z
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@BrodieOnLinux @aks @tripplehelix We can get rid of the security holes but things like:- icon themes- desktop icons- app indicators- server side decorationsAre generally not security issues. Loading third party javascript straight into the compositor however...
(DIR) Post #AnQwYeLk0zbM3EWU8O by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2024-10-27T13:54:21Z
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@aks @soller @tripplehelix A simple one that lead to a lot of discussion is "should applications be able to choose there own location or should that be the responsibility of the compositor". Sensibly it was thought that it should be the compositors job but there are a few CAD applications that require placing there own windows or at least something that can accommodate something similar.I know for sure don't have all the answers and anyone claiming to probably isn't considering every case.
(DIR) Post #AnQyvoGvUR4TOSRTMG by rijnhard@fosstodon.org
2024-10-27T14:20:56Z
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@BrodieOnLinux @edfloreshz @soller I'm not saying conspiracy, but rather that I can see how through circumstance a certain behaviour becomes prevalent. Because it looks like they are fighting for their lives to die on every hill, and then dismiss things like KDE asking them to fix something that affects everyone else.Like how would things change if they were more considerate of the rest of the ecosystem?
(DIR) Post #AnR0gfgpJevWLBSxE0 by rijnhard@fosstodon.org
2024-10-27T14:40:37Z
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@BrodieOnLinux @edfloreshz @soller a good example is how they spoke to you in that thread.Now mature and secure leadership would look at your statements and identify the intention behind your words, which is "why does things break for users on gnome that works everywhere else". Which is a VALID intention. Instead they argue technical and idealistic points with aggression. Totally Missing the intention, dare I say not even trying to understand it.
(DIR) Post #AnR29TaRUf4F9jmLui by shironeko@fedi.tesaguri.club
2024-10-27T14:57:02.493322Z
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@soller @BrodieOnLinux @tripplehelix gnome should keep doing their thing, they have their idea and they can run with it. distros would just switch to other more sensible DEs by default.
(DIR) Post #AnR5umPxb8X5237jJw by shellheim@social.linux.pizza
2024-10-27T15:39:08Z
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@BrodieOnLinux @tripplehelix @soller That's why I am a supporter of our lord and savior Saint Nate Graham and demand his dictatorship be imposed on all of user land!
(DIR) Post #AnRCtzX43IMZ6019rE by robojeb@techhub.social
2024-10-27T16:57:29Z
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@BrodieOnLinux What is the use case for positioning a window in CAD? I can't think of many reasons any application needs an exact window position beyond "this is a model it can go on top of my main window" vs "this has new content try not to totally obscure the previous window"
(DIR) Post #AnRJfjwNvLceMe0qMS by soller@fosstodon.org
2024-10-27T18:13:20Z
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@BrodieOnLinux @aks @tripplehelix I really hope something lands for this. It is a hard problem as positioning cannot always be respected with unique compositors.
(DIR) Post #AnRfGC9manypKyVIJM by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2024-10-27T22:15:14Z
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@robojeb A popular model to design these is as a multi window application where an internal layout engine can be used to arrange the windows, it's not like you can't live without this function but it does make things a tad bit less convenient.