Post AnIuHaZITyaV9bSjHU by monsieuricon@social.kernel.org
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(DIR) Post #AnHkWYxxWp0vpRXVWy by tusooa@kazv.moe
2024-10-23T03:10:25.742233Z
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https://lwn.net/Articles/995186/So, the Linux Foundation joins the racist list?
(DIR) Post #AnIuHYS8LdfYao5yq0 by tusooa@kazv.moe
2024-10-23T14:21:45.397172Z
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@monsieuricon Please comment.
(DIR) Post #AnIuHZIbCZdXDWdscC by monsieuricon@social.kernel.org
2024-10-23T16:23:20.091092Z
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@tusooa "If you work for companies under direct US or EU sanctions, you are going to have a bad time."
(DIR) Post #AnIuHZxMl0FLFxiR9s by tusooa@kazv.moe
2024-10-23T16:35:20.267360Z
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@monsieuricon Do you consider it ethical for the Linux Foundation to comply with governmental orders like this that are racist in nature?
(DIR) Post #AnIuHaZITyaV9bSjHU by monsieuricon@social.kernel.org
2024-10-23T16:36:36.811121Z
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@tusooa You seem to be a troll. Explain how this is racist, or I will ban you.
(DIR) Post #AnIuHb9SJXVkxkNbdo by tusooa@kazv.moe
2024-10-23T16:43:44.688015Z
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@monsieuricon In this case, the apparent fact is that Russian-identified people are removed from maintainers without proper justification. The apparent conclusion is that they are removed solely because of their identity, which in this case is their ethnic identity.Moreover, many "sanctions" by the government are racist in nature. Take for example how eager the US government is into blocking TikTok or Huawei, claiming that they "steal personal information," while Google and Apple, which are doing exactly the same things, are not into the debate, solely because the former are from China, while the latter are from the US.
(DIR) Post #AnIxjpsNShNObJY1fE by monsieuricon@social.kernel.org
2024-10-23T16:59:49.314779Z
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@tusooa Heh, you're trying to convince a "Russian identified person" in one of the senior positions in the Linux Foundation that the Linux Foundation is being unfair towards "Russian identified people." It's pretty hilarious.I'm not a lawyer and I don't speak for the LF, so I won't give you any kind of "official comment." But here's my view of it.The people removed from maintainer positions were identified as employed by companies on the US and EU sanctions list. These companies are directly involved in the Russian military complex and therefore are directly complicit in war crimes being committed daily in Ukraine. If these maintainers want to think that they are "just techies helping improve the Linux kernel," or that "they are outside of politics," then they are fucking wrong. If they work for companies that develop weaponry or logistics used by the Russian military, they are complicit in Russia's war crimes, and I hold them responsible at a very personal level -- and that's my official comment on the situation.
(DIR) Post #AnIxnH4omqt9pa0T7w by tusooa@kazv.moe
2024-10-23T17:13:49.358109Z
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@monsieuricon >These companies are directly involved in the Russian military complex and therefore are directly complicit in war crimes being committed daily in Ukraine.If this is the case, it makes some sense. However, there is only vague reasoning in the commits, so the general public do not and cannot know about this. Being untransparent about why these changes take place will only lead people to think that it is unjustified.Moreover, if war crime is a reason to not let people be added into the maintainers list of the Linux kernel, will it apply to all war crimes? Do you think Linux Foundation SHOULD also be committed to checking the list for any potential violation because of war crimes that is happening elsewhere, for example, the ones committed by the Israel government in Gaza? Do you think that it would be unethical if the Linux Foundation does NOT do that check for other war crimes?
(DIR) Post #AnJ7IVMgc3rAi3KZtI by pbarker@social.afront.org
2024-10-23T18:21:03Z
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@monsieuricon @tusooa "The people removed from maintainer positions were identified as employed by companies on the US and EU sanctions list."My only wish is that this was clearly stated as part of the removal. I think more people would be behind the change if it was clearly justified in that way. Because fuck Putin and anyone who supports him.I think the vague statement in the commit message has made this much more controversial than it should have been. I guess there are reasons for that though.
(DIR) Post #AnKkbdP92KJYW5YN9s by pro@mu.zaitcev.nu
2024-10-24T14:12:07.114554Z
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@pbarker @monsieuricon @tusooa They cannot add clarity because such clarity makes their actions less defensible, not more. That is why those in control have to take action arbitrarily and without justification, and then let surrogates do the taking about "war crimes".
(DIR) Post #AnKr2LH39Y1xpTsxXM by dump_stack@lor.sh
2024-10-24T15:24:12Z
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@tusooa, the "directly complicit in war crimes" he's talking about are: making IPTV for ISPs, working on smart speakers like Amazon Echo, supporting Postmarket OS, doing university research, and the only connection you could possibly stretch is Baikal Electronics, which supplied computers to the Ministry of Interior. That's what I've been able to get with OSINT on maintainers that have been removed.So it's made up. Not everyone on the list works for defense contractors, not all the companies people work for are sanctioned, and the sanctions aren't even specifically targeting war-related companies - their goal is to harm the economy in general.Speaking as someone who's experienced this a lot (despite leaving Russia long ago - I recently realized I've lived more than half my adult life abroad), sanctions have become just a "polite explanation".They can't openly say they hate you because you're Russian, so they use excuses like "because of sanctions" to, for example, not hire you.And Russians who are in a better position, some who actually have a different citizenship, et cetera, cannot openly say that this kind of discrimination exists, otherwise, you know, they would not be in a better position anymore, lol.@monsieuricon
(DIR) Post #AnKsyqtfpz40ekPnTU by puppygirlhornypost2@transfem.social
2024-10-24T15:17:22.446Z
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@monsieuricon@social.kernel.org Thank you for this, I think it would help a lot if this was clarified by Linus Torvalds or Greg Kroah-Hartman. Reading the mailing list left a lot of questions and it seemed really sketchy. I think that's what most people got up in arms about. I don't see a problem with it either now that you pointed it out as people employed by sanctioned companies instead of what I originally assumed which were hobbyist contributors.
(DIR) Post #AnKsyrjmiEkPGMnPhQ by puppygirlhornypost2@transfem.social
2024-10-24T15:20:03.382Z
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@monsieuricon@social.kernel.org It also makes a lot more sense with the context that the Linux Foundation is registered in California, and is forced to abide by US sanctions. Now I see why Torvalds was committed to it and ignored people asking for a revert.
(DIR) Post #AnKsysabXqzxuBVb1s by monsieuricon@social.kernel.org
2024-10-24T15:39:50.750273Z
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@puppygirlhornypost2 Nothing really to do with LF directly, because LF doesn't do commerce with sanctioned companies. However, large US corporations working on the kernel are in a legally tough situation when some maintainer is working for a sanctioned company. Any changes that touch those subsystems could be qualified as "performing actions that benefit sanctioned companies."That's my understanding. IANAL, never been, not speaking for LF.