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(DIR) Post #An4KqIom9XihftW6aW by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-10-16T16:07:40Z
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Another bad derivative of my art:- Reusing my Creative Commons artwork without attribution- Putting it on top of AI genI wonder how they managed to sell 568 of them... 😤 Revolting. Well, I filled out a report to ask them at least to put attribution.link: https://share.temu.com/00LkQzG68XAmy art: https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/viewer/artworks__2018-11-19_thank-you-patreon-day_by-David-Revoy.html
(DIR) Post #An4LC8gmUbqedCBq6q by xoxys@social.tchncs.de
2024-10-16T16:11:42Z
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@davidrevoy its a shame... Good luck even if I fear that it will be unsuccessful 😔
(DIR) Post #An4LEVWwXYK83FiYgS by bbbhltz@framapiaf.org
2024-10-16T16:11:54Z
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@davidrevoy they bought them themselves to get noticed
(DIR) Post #An4LH6m52R5y8p2Q88 by eco_amandine@mastodon.cr
2024-10-16T16:12:08Z
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@davidrevoy your drawing is beautiful. They should give credits and compensate you at least!
(DIR) Post #An4LJIm7OJvzwK6N4S by muhuk@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-10-16T16:12:16Z
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@davidrevoy it's not Cute Cartoon Cat, it's Carrot! 😡
(DIR) Post #An4LLa5815v8C752mG by duke_of_germany@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-10-16T16:12:51Z
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I am so sorry this happened to you! 😥@davidrevoy
(DIR) Post #An4LiHwdcDjobVw91U by hellocatfood@post.lurk.org
2024-10-16T16:17:28Z
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@davidrevoy yuck!
(DIR) Post #An4NPNfwHi4cmeEods by lumiworx@mastodon.social
2024-10-16T16:36:34Z
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@davidrevoy ... Sorry, David. This absolutely sucks.It might be helpful to take a peek at some of the CC legal info here and the included links: https://certificates.creativecommons.org/cccertedu/chapter/3-4-license-enforceability/I hate to say it, but once someone thinks they're safe from repercussions, they feel emboldened to do it again and again. Ignoring copyright is bad enough when copying for display unless it's fair use, but when it's for commecial gain from a business, they should know the rules well before profiting. Ignorance is no excuse.
(DIR) Post #An4O4SeagFNU62CCeW by Nanard_Groubiche@piaille.fr
2024-10-16T16:43:56Z
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@davidrevoy C'est pour cela que je ne veux rien acheter en ligne si je n'ai pas pu vérifier plusieurs l'offre: non seulement on peut être victime d'une arnaque, mais en plus on peut devenir voleur soi-même.Et en tant qu'anarchiste, j'ai une éthique de la réappropriation spontanée (vulgairement appelée vol par les bourgeois) très pointue: on ne vole pas le travail d'autrui, c'est du capitalisme en amateur!Tiens, la preuve.
(DIR) Post #An4OrrBmFPJKNfGwUa by frodo@kanoa.de
2024-10-16T16:52:53Z
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@davidrevoy You should hire a lawyer. Without credit this is not allowed. You deserve the money.
(DIR) Post #An4Pi8hOOJLTkFzSEa by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-10-16T17:02:20Z
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@frodo I did it once; it cost me 600€ for the first appointment, just to study the case. It taught me that unless you're sure you can get more than €5000 for the repair, it's not worth trying. Unfortunately.
(DIR) Post #An4Q40uk0zjbyKfGIi by sylvia_ritter@mastodon.social
2024-10-16T17:06:17Z
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@davidrevoy I think there is a good chance they will add attribution at least in the description or the title. As long as you don't want any compensation :(. I am also always worried about the chemicals in the apparel and heard about Temu's bad working conditions...
(DIR) Post #An4Qd5mRukRtCSVqqG by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-10-16T17:12:36Z
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@sylvia_ritter oh yes, chemicals, and probably child or forced labor in backstage, and big environmental footprint.
(DIR) Post #An4QxL60gInKUYJh4K by NatureMC@mastodon.online
2024-10-16T16:16:03Z
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@davidrevoy It's perhaps interesting to know for you that the @EUCommission officially questions #Temu about their illegal products: https://www.euronews.com/next/2024/10/11/temu-asked-by-the-eu-commission-to-clarify-measures-taken-against-illegal-products and https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/commission-requests-information-under-digital-services-act-temu-traders-selling-illegal-productsBecause many companies and right owners did it in vain!This platform is a catastrophe on many levels (you can google bad experiences). I'm curious if you get an answer.
(DIR) Post #An4RDwBwWnxEAw0Sg4 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-10-16T17:19:17Z
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@kkarhan They don't give you freedom of expression unfortunately on their form to fill a report. It's a form in four steps, asking all about your address, name, email, phone number, company, professional ID, etc... And various way to authentify the copyright ownership of the Intellectual Property.
(DIR) Post #An4Sa0kuL8nmegRyme by b2m9@fosstodon.org
2024-10-16T17:34:30Z
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@davidrevoy Please do a follow-up because I cannot believe that Temu does anything about it.
(DIR) Post #An4ToMBpXpbT8mRoLw by KyleBlaine@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-10-16T17:48:18Z
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@davidrevoy ugh I'm so sorry, David. Temu is such a monster. Run by thieves, for thieves, built on the backs of slaves. Pepper and Carrot deserve better. :(
(DIR) Post #An4UYF0AbNj2ATsAfA by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-10-16T17:56:24Z
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@davidrevoy There are makers and there are takers. We’ve built a system that rewards the takers :(
(DIR) Post #An4Ul0JKXA3AMxv8qW by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-10-16T17:58:55Z
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@b2m9 I'll do!
(DIR) Post #An4V7LaE7jVaiRTgy8 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-10-16T18:02:53Z
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@KyleBlaine Thank you. Unfortunately, that's the world we live in. I would still like to thank every young person who appreciates their "Carrot with Heart" T-shirt.
(DIR) Post #An4VXlMMuTh6BnakmO by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-10-16T18:07:37Z
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@aral True. It's also the first time I see this industry using AI-gen for the photo model and stealing real art on top. Disturbing.Maybe they are starting to realise that their AI art is hard to sell.
(DIR) Post #An4VkUyb8O5H8qXvPM by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-10-16T18:09:59Z
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@cykonot haha, the 🔥 against 🔥 method 😆 Unfortunately, their forms (long to fill them out) had no room for exercising all my opinion about this seller's activities.
(DIR) Post #An4ZOquFJpMObMRc24 by generika@bananachips.club
2024-10-16T18:50:52Z
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@davidrevoy The kid looks fake too.
(DIR) Post #An4cCT7CFPV3CbHwdU by frodo@kanoa.de
2024-10-16T19:22:13Z
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@davidrevoy I understand. How sad. I am the price of a court case at the moment. That is even more
(DIR) Post #An4czjZTqul2Qi0eiu by globcoco@mamot.fr
2024-10-16T19:31:12Z
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@davidrevoy Oh gosh. This is so wrong!!!So sorry 😞
(DIR) Post #An4hCX2c9MOn9KzjSC by Tritz@ravenation.club
2024-10-16T20:18:16Z
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@davidrevoy Ouch... I feel that. Worst thing is, if they're doing it to you they're most certainly doing it to other artists too. :reeEEE: what a shitty move. At least ask for permission or link the artist. But that's a big nogo.
(DIR) Post #An4hXoEbQ8iOYTkQlM by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-10-16T20:22:09Z
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@ZoidbergForPresident Thank you. They have a report button on the page, I did that. Hopefully it will do something.
(DIR) Post #An4hgL9EvtkQx2J7Lc by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-10-16T20:23:42Z
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@generika Yes, that's what I meant by "AI gen" on the post; it's obviously AI generated images.
(DIR) Post #An4huQLUPBGf7pkj8y by david_preston@mastodon.social
2024-10-16T20:26:01Z
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@davidrevoy this is not ok. In your shoes I would write to Temu Boston headquarters with a cease and desist to allowing your copyrighted work being sold without consent and it breaches your moral right which is the right to be named as the creator, which really means that they have voided the creative commons licence and I'd send an invoice with it for a very large sum. Happy to help. In some instances justice is fought in small steps. It is lovely artwork btw.
(DIR) Post #An4j0QQD8Q7N3MO1pY by Cronopio@nrw.social
2024-10-16T20:38:33Z
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@davidrevoy They are just committing theft there, and in a disgusting case here. - Of topic: The AI used to depict Pepper (the kid is Pepper, right?) is not of bad quality, but one just does not generate images of people (real or fictitious) without their (creator's) consent.
(DIR) Post #An4l2BFqhFfcV6VLfs by Cronopio@nrw.social
2024-10-16T21:01:13Z
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@davidrevoy Maybe notice ShutterStock https://www.shutterstock.com/image-vector/vector-art-family-cats-1367089292that it is at https://www.temu.com/fr-en/--t-------summer--clothing-g-601099546860485.html - if it is not licensed, Shutterstock might have more possibilities than a single author.
(DIR) Post #An4wQs3OJyoNgYeZns by awesomeyatt@mastodon.social
2024-10-16T23:08:22Z
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@davidrevoy it's TEMU, why am I not surprised...
(DIR) Post #An4xaAcekhJ5pt99Q8 by guayabito@mastodon.cr
2024-10-16T23:21:51Z
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@davidrevoy 😱😱😱
(DIR) Post #An54A1tJIAimuEQ0au by congusbongus@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-10-17T00:35:34Z
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@davidrevoy on a related note, David sells shirts too via redbubble https://www.redbubble.com/people/davidrevoy/shop so go there if you want a shirt!
(DIR) Post #An57yKxSyWPiNo2hdo by yon@sakurajima.moe
2024-10-17T01:18:17Z
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@davidrevoy Well that was a wild ride from “he’s got merch!” to “fiddlesticks”.I see the link to your lovely art, but do you have merch by any chance? As it turns out I need clothes, and it’s a way to support various people whose work I enjoy.:)
(DIR) Post #An5ZapqrGBSFxoX8cq by mark22k@layer8.space
2024-10-17T06:27:46Z
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@davidrevoy Under which license is the picture from you? But not even giving you credit in the description is disrespectful!
(DIR) Post #An5ghQArpE9K27ypE0 by 9x0rg@mamot.fr
2024-10-17T07:47:22Z
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Hi @davidrevoy You may want to try sending the seller a _letter of injunction_ in the form of a slightly salty lawyer's letter, which might work. Or not.Contact details of the seller are attached.
(DIR) Post #An5gt7TjA51BWZNcmG by 9x0rg@mamot.fr
2024-10-17T07:49:26Z
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Hi @davidrevoy You may want to try sending the seller a _letter of injunction_ in the form of a slightly salty lawyer's letter, which might work. Or not.Contact details of the seller attached.
(DIR) Post #An5iXXpEivHYm8HSu8 by amic@mathstodon.xyz
2024-10-17T08:07:55Z
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@davidrevoy Même les commentaires sur le site paraissent généré par IA ;-)Je suis même pas sûr qu’ils en aient vendu autant qu’ils disent, bref c’est quand même un site bien limite. Si on peut déjà en faire de la mauvaise pub, c’est ça de gagné !
(DIR) Post #An6L7UsQxYhOJXLYjA by mhunt@socel.net
2024-10-17T15:20:13Z
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@davidrevoy Temu is Chinese... the website was blocked in the US
(DIR) Post #An6LUFPUdAwN0Nes0u by Stoof@bananachips.club
2024-10-17T15:24:20Z
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@davidrevoy Temu is terrible for theft. Another reason to never buy from them imo
(DIR) Post #An6QgduRruDoEZrpIG by odysseywestra@linuxrocks.online
2024-10-17T16:22:01Z
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@davidrevoy For the AI side, I'm okay with using it for marketing purposes, but not respecting the CC licensing is Atrous. You should do what you can to get them to obey or ask the @eff guys to help you send the correct legal documents to at least get them to follow the CC liscense.With that said, I would purchase to verify the quality. Then launch your own limited run T-Shirt and donate the proceeds to a foundation if you don't want to profit from it. So in my eyes I see an opportunity.
(DIR) Post #An6Qjxyphc89LpVEjA by arlequin@fosstodon.org
2024-10-17T16:23:11Z
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@davidrevoy beautiful art, by the way.Shared it with my sister. For the kids ;-)Also, my Linux wallpaper changed ;-)
(DIR) Post #An7vbWObfSszDiyHTs by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-10-18T09:43:01Z
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Quick update: Temu wrote me this morning that they have removed the product:> "[...] After receiving your infringement notice, we quickly reviewed the submitted materials and removed the infringing content [...] TEMU's stance on infringement aligns with the rights of intellectual property owners because infringement not only harms our shared consumers' interests but also tarnishes TEMU's reputation"Not what I asked for (I wanted the :cc: :ccby: Attribution), but it's still a win. 🎉
(DIR) Post #An7vjqEVnVPR3qDVNw by Gend4r@piaille.fr
2024-10-18T09:45:16Z
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@davidrevoy Wow! Really surprised and impressed. Temu has such a bad rep!
(DIR) Post #An7vm7TcemHB7XN40u by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-10-18T09:45:46Z
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@welshpixie Yes, in 24 hours I didn't expect them to be that fast either.
(DIR) Post #An7vtfDVbtSpn5Qns8 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-10-18T09:47:05Z
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@Gend4r That is true. Perhaps they are aware of this and are investing in a moderation team to deal with reports quickly.
(DIR) Post #An7vw1bJMHFpnBgsF6 by bison@mastodon.social
2024-10-18T09:47:22Z
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@davidrevoy ich mein die sind ne platform wo "jeder" verkaufen kann. wenn jemand gegen irgendwas verstößt wird da entsprechend automatisch drauf reagiert.sich mit solchen fällen beschäftigten ist zu teuer, das ist alles automatisiert.
(DIR) Post #An7w9QDz7RMRvUATku by sylvia_ritter@mastodon.social
2024-10-18T09:49:56Z
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@davidrevoy Well, honestly, I think you can be happy they removed it. I wouldn't want to be responsible for any health risks especially when it is clothing for kids. https://www.reddit.com/r/ScienceBasedParenting
(DIR) Post #An7wEdnG66UvSQ9i52 by Optional@dice.camp
2024-10-18T09:50:55Z
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@davidrevoy Temu as a platform probably don't want to change a seller's listing (to include cc) and rather opt to throw them out
(DIR) Post #An7wHn5lywAnAJJkVk by Gend4r@piaille.fr
2024-10-18T09:51:26Z
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@davidrevoy Maybe having EU on your back is a good incentive.😂 https://www.euronews.com/next/2024/10/11/temu-asked-by-the-eu-commission-to-clarify-measures-taken-against-illegal-products
(DIR) Post #An7wMWHFvUSCSlwYaW by tanavit@toot.aquilenet.fr
2024-10-18T09:48:07Z
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@Gend4r @davidrevoy Are people complaining to TEMU or only on social networks ?
(DIR) Post #An7wMXI0ACe1bNIfOC by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-10-18T09:52:19Z
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@tanavit @Gend4r Tanavit: I don't think the removal was a decision made because of pressure from here (that's what I understand when you write "social media"); just a result (probably semi-automated) of me filling out their long form behind their "report" button.
(DIR) Post #An7woqP6go7Ozd7ccS by aurochs@todon.eu
2024-10-18T09:57:27Z
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@davidrevoy What the heck? ask for the money! 💢
(DIR) Post #An7yDxemxaqGgIzuPQ by fabianegli@fosstodon.org
2024-10-18T10:13:11Z
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@davidrevoy A win indeed. But also a reminder that big platforms don't aim for the right solution, but just a solution which reduces their liability. Temu is known for draconian punishments of sellers for real or perceived harm to them or to customers.
(DIR) Post #An7yjqJXnNXzAvGMGu by tanavit@toot.aquilenet.fr
2024-10-18T10:18:58Z
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@davidrevoy @Gend4r My remark was because I sometimes meet people complaining about points they neglect to signal to the appropriate service : - Light are off in my street at evening !- Did you mention it to the city ?- No time to waste with this ....
(DIR) Post #An7z2gc25gLEaUtcFU by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-10-18T10:22:20Z
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@tanavit @Gend4r Oh yes, that's a classic. Good point. Here I have the reflex thanks to my years in the Free/Libre and Open-Source community: report the bug first if you can, and complain later about it. 😺
(DIR) Post #An7zW8tC2N2sgUy6Vc by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-10-18T10:27:41Z
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@aurochs 😂 ha ha, I think I can forget that: it is not even mentioned in the email. This type of product is probably still profitable for both the seller and Temu's percentage commission.
(DIR) Post #An80kkRRJbDD9wW0iO by Shatur@mastodon.social
2024-10-18T10:41:26Z
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@davidrevoy on a related note, is there a way to buy Pepper & Carrot merch somewhere? 🤔
(DIR) Post #An85J66pf4UG1TVk2K by mausmalone@mastodon.social
2024-10-18T11:32:33Z
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@davidrevoy I'm glad they did take action, but I'm kind of chuckling that they want to be VERY CLEAR that they're not doing it because they care about you, the artist.The most tsundere of online retailers.
(DIR) Post #An86xEbFc3BNtSRRYG by pipeliner@mastodon.online
2024-10-18T11:51:00Z
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@davidrevoy damn, would be good to buy this and you can earn a little bit of money
(DIR) Post #An87thv6l5yhcmbzHM by sylvia_ritter@mastodon.social
2024-10-18T12:01:32Z
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@davidrevoy You could contact the seller directly on Temu to get the attribution, if it helps you to promote your art under the CC license. I guess you already thought about it for findings in the future..
(DIR) Post #An8AJ96p0XRt66LfLE by frodo@kanoa.de
2024-10-18T12:28:37Z
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@davidrevoy Try it again and ask for the :cc: :ccby: Attribution again.
(DIR) Post #An8D1tUI8OYlaVn8Pg by guayabito@mastodon.cr
2024-10-18T12:59:04Z
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@davidrevoy 👏👏👏👏👏👏
(DIR) Post #An8FtAGUgdBOsWroLA by shikakun@convo.casa
2024-10-18T13:31:09Z
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@davidrevoy Apparently attribution is too much to ask for some people...In any case, thank you for providing us with (awesome) CC art! 🙂
(DIR) Post #An8HYqlxeJl6XZ1hom by eco_amandine@mastodon.cr
2024-10-18T13:49:50Z
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@davidrevoy it's a good reminder to buy from your store directly 🙂 Right now I'm pretty broke, but I will as soon as my situation improves a bit.
(DIR) Post #An8JLtMUuXKwiN45VQ by aurochs@todon.eu
2024-10-18T14:09:52Z
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@davidrevoy I imagine 💔
(DIR) Post #An8PWDequAWMHZxS3U by cerement@social.targaryen.house
2024-10-18T15:18:58Z
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@davidrevoy @tanavit @Gend4r (problem is we’ve had so many cases of companies ignoring issues until they’re called out on xitter that people how see that as the default rather than as the second step)
(DIR) Post #AnCJWoS4HgMXItiYYi by mhunt@socel.net
2024-10-20T12:30:41Z
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@davidrevoy that's great!