Post AmCVHjmrXldPkyEr3Y by noellemitchell@mstdn.social
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 (DIR) Post #AmCVHjmrXldPkyEr3Y by noellemitchell@mstdn.social
       2024-09-19T23:57:06Z
       
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       "From Florida to Oregon, utilities are racing to meet a surge in demand from power-hungry AI data centers, manufacturing facilities and electric vehicles.""Electricity usage by data centers is poised to surge as much as ten times current levels by 2030."Ten times. 😵 That's a lot.#AI #ClimateChange #Climate #Environment #news #press #data #tech #technology https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ai-boom-driving-surprise-resurgence-100029895.html?guccounter=1
       
 (DIR) Post #AmCVHkN1NKYfZ79jPs by Npars01@mstdn.social
       2024-09-20T02:26:07Z
       
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       @noellemitchell No wonder #KochNetwork and the Saudis are investing so heavily in AI; it's a strategy to keep the globe addicted to fossil fuels.https://qz.com/saudi-arabia-ai-public-investment-fun-1851350604https://www.arabnews.com/node/2572046/saudi-arabiahttps://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-arabia-ai-groq-a16z-vision-2030-mbs-2024-9https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-16/chip-startup-groq-backs-saudi-ai-ambitions-with-aramco-dealhttps://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/13/saudi-arabia-expects-to-get-advanced-nvidia-chips-within-next-year.htmlhttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-07/saudi-ai-fund-would-divest-from-china-tech-if-us-asked-ceo-sayshttps://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/25/conservatives-prepare-attack-on-bidens-ai-order-00137935https://news.kochinc.com/news/2022/koch-invests-koch-backs-celestial-ai-s-work-to-acchttps://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/inno/stories/news/2024/02/20/koch-industries-artificial-intelligence-jobs-ai.html
       
 (DIR) Post #AmCVHkvPJU41HlFC0u by dragonsidedd@sciencemastodon.com
       2024-09-20T03:13:04Z
       
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       @Npars01 @noellemitchell Sorry, that does not track with what the hyperscalars are actually doing. Training runs need high continuous base load and even coal doesn’t do that well. In reality, GenAI requirements are turbocharging the drive to carbon-free nuclear https://www.datacenterfrontier.com/cloud/article/55139736/oracle-hits-every-major-cloud-via-aws-reveals-plans-for-gigawatt-triple-smr-data-center
       
 (DIR) Post #AmCVHlnI59AJysSE08 by gimulnautti@mastodon.green
       2024-09-20T13:21:52Z
       
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       @dragonsidedd @Npars01 @noellemitchell nuclear is slow to build. Gas is what’s being built, because their return on investment works on the scales of political cycles a industry can support.And your argument for continuous loads is partially false. Training runs for the mega-models do last for months, but between runs there is great variability. And that’s where gas shines.https://www.powermag.com/industry-exec-data-centers-will-drive-demand-for-natural-gas/
       
 (DIR) Post #AmCVHmSPcG3i2Ph464 by Nimbius666@comp.lain.la
       2024-09-20T13:45:34.472668Z
       
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       @gimulnautti @dragonsidedd @Npars01 @noellemitchell nuclear is not only slow to build and mired in regulatory gates, but slow to roi.  Profit does not manifest for sixteen *years* after the plants construction, fueling, and activation to to grid.Overhead costs are enormous as well.  Armed guards, safety crews, training etc...all add up.Solar, wind and hydro offer turnkey profit in less than a year.  Very attractive.
       
 (DIR) Post #AmCVHnEyhguIT2PqnQ by pieist@qoto.org
       2024-09-20T16:14:33Z
       
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       @Nimbius666 @gimulnautti @noellemitchell @Npars01 @dragonsidedd "Too cheap to meter" nuclear is just a few years away... and has been for 60 years now.
       
 (DIR) Post #AmCVHnzltiKyoAJDjU by Npars01@mstdn.social
       2024-09-20T16:29:31Z
       
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       @pieist @Nimbius666 @gimulnautti @noellemitchell @dragonsidedd Nuclear waste?https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-dirty-secret-its-leaking-nuclear-waste-dump/video-70237250https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czx6e2x0kdyoNuclear leaks?https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7v6646l9emoA nuclear version of Cancer Alley for where POC live?https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/wayne/2024/08/19/radioactive-waste-atom-bomb-disposal-van-buren-township-wayne-county/74814545007/Radioactive food supplies?https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/china-to-gradually-resume-imports-of-japan-seafood-after-consensus-on-nuclear-waste/3335525Illegal dumping?https://www.desmog.com/2024/09/19/from-uk-to-norway-drillers-legally-dump-tonnes-of-toxic-radioactive-waste-into-the-north-sea/What to do with the Columbia River once radiation from Hanford gets there?https://mynorthwest.com/3989510/mayfield-transporting-nuclear-waste-hanford-disaster-waiting-to-happen/
       
 (DIR) Post #AmCVHod7XPoSmCie48 by Nimbius666@comp.lain.la
       2024-09-20T16:48:29.190751Z
       
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       @Npars01 @pieist @gimulnautti @noellemitchell @dragonsidedd the US also has a major waste issue.  None of it is recycled, no state is willing to accept it, and most plants run a surplus of waste onsite.  To date there is no international consensus on how properly to label and warn a generation of humans 1000 years into the future of our waste pit hubris.