Post Aldrb94X9kx08bZAPI by joseph11lim@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AldnJlB0LZRpHs306a by stux@mstdn.social
2024-09-03T22:57:48Z
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I wanna try this poll and yes I know it's super oversimplified ⚠️Do you think firearms should be illegal for citizens?
(DIR) Post #AldnVzW8qykJEvlaHw by dawae@infosec.exchange
2024-09-03T23:00:01Z
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@stux votes no (but it must be heavily controlled)
(DIR) Post #AldnkGAniyWix1aXOS by grob@mstdn.social
2024-09-03T23:02:36Z
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@stux discussion about "in general" in 3, 2, 1
(DIR) Post #AldntLsBtyl9EdDdgm by xobb@mstdn.social
2024-09-03T23:04:11Z
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@stux Nope, the firearms should be available for citizens once they pass the strict requirements on mental health.
(DIR) Post #AldoLz6PdpoF0kWYmu by debzo@mstdn.social
2024-09-03T23:09:22Z
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@stux I meant to say yes-illegal
(DIR) Post #AldoOQTgpb9OUfZmXA by byggvir@nrw.social
2024-09-03T23:09:47Z
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@stux It's not oversimplified. My answer is a clear unambiguous Yes.
(DIR) Post #AldoajVVuEyEzHIVo8 by walterburns@toot.community
2024-09-03T23:12:02Z
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@stux I mean, it is stupidly oversimplified.
(DIR) Post #AldodQ8aNYrJmWr3ku by stux@mstdn.social
2024-09-03T23:12:31Z
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@walterburns thanks for your input :flan_laugh: :blobderpverified:
(DIR) Post #AldoiKeKD8sYD02hQu by stux@mstdn.social
2024-09-03T23:13:26Z
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@byggvir Same for me but you know..Humans
(DIR) Post #Aldoq1xzYb2Ga7udoO by walterburns@toot.community
2024-09-03T23:14:50Z
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@stux Sorry, I didn't mean or imply to be sarcastic - it is unusual only given the bill of rights i the US and other equivalent documents other countries have. It cannot be answered because the question is embedded in history, politics and culture. By your logic, an adult person today who doesn't know about the world will be the only one to answer it without bias.
(DIR) Post #Aldowt2H9zzQuUBYzg by stux@mstdn.social
2024-09-03T23:16:00Z
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@walterburns That's why I added that statement indeed 😉 I know it's a looad more complicated in places like the US but from where I'm from for example it's super simple :cat_hug_triangle: So yeah, two sides
(DIR) Post #Aldp0EWvhWVQRV7T0q by Rory29@mastodon.social
2024-09-03T23:16:41Z
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@stux In Australia, we have such expensive requirements for gun owners Gun safes licences registrationand background checksThat only the RICH citizens are legally armedand that is the most insane sort of gun controlnow illegal guns are a thing and theft and sale of guns Only the RICH should be allowed to defend themselves?They locked up the guns not the people with mental problems that would use them for no reasonThe mental people now use knifes so it didn't fix the problem
(DIR) Post #Aldp5IX8FDF0J3d3vE by stux@mstdn.social
2024-09-03T23:17:36Z
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@walterburns I am interested in the world wide view on this question, the US happens to be a more complicated oneIn this poll I want to know what people personally think and not what the laws say or whatever
(DIR) Post #Aldp7ozuVwxBZUIFRA by walterburns@toot.community
2024-09-03T23:18:04Z
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@stux I hear you. Even if a person is not from the US - given the cultural (pop and otherwise) influence it has on the world, especially when most know it is embedded in law, they would not be able to answer it a straigt yes or no question of this nature.
(DIR) Post #AldpElCX1mY1p9VOoC by walterburns@toot.community
2024-09-03T23:19:19Z
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@stux I hear you again. I know how you meant it. But cultural influence for all your life on yourself is hard to divorce from rationality on which you are trying to get people to answer this question.
(DIR) Post #AldpNqa4Oatv7BqeA4 by stux@mstdn.social
2024-09-03T23:20:54Z
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@walterburns Absolutely! But maaaaybe, just maybe this will set in motion a more simplified "questionable" about the thing with people who live in a place where it's a lot more complicated so maaaybe in time things can get a little more simpler and to the point instead of spinning around the circle like I feel we do sometimes 😉
(DIR) Post #AldpSmVMycxdvE0DJo by tragicomedy@mstdn.party
2024-09-03T23:21:48Z
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@stux Yes. There are countries were guns are illegal for citizens (that's also super simplified tho) and I would much rather lived there than in US.
(DIR) Post #AldpY47ysp901faAOu by walterburns@toot.community
2024-09-03T23:22:46Z
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@stux Again, I hear your intention with your point you're trying to make. But I feel it is still too simplified and naive to think of it as such.Multi century history cannot be discounted.
(DIR) Post #AldpZQI9xlCJ3YzTvc by stux@mstdn.social
2024-09-03T23:23:02Z
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@tragicomedy Like here in the 🇳🇱 (netherlands) for exampleFire arms are "simply" illegal on all counts, they even have "special police teams" who pickup ppl with weapons
(DIR) Post #AldpcC8X33hC1VoDnk by stux@mstdn.social
2024-09-03T23:23:31Z
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@walterburns I know.. But i wanna try 😉 No doing so is always a loss I guess
(DIR) Post #Aldpo8gpgmpOoBY40G by walterburns@toot.community
2024-09-03T23:25:42Z
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@stux Yeah, you wanna try. I feel you. But such a significantly simplified question will not even be considered to even begin to inevitably be disparaged and scoffed at. A much more nuanced and a "smarter" question is what we need. But even then, I feel like it will be because most will still look at the law first and then answer the question.
(DIR) Post #AldpvVVzDyh3cszM2q by stux@mstdn.social
2024-09-03T23:27:00Z
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@walterburns True but this question is not meant to solve anything :blobcatgiggle: I just wanna know what ppl in general think on the Fedi, be that from the US or notIt prob won't change anything but at least i know a little more what i wanted
(DIR) Post #AldqAj3b9otTyCy0rA by walterburns@toot.community
2024-09-03T23:29:48Z
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@stux I hear you. But what does it matter what people here on the Fedi think though?People here feel more calmer and rational and pragmatic. This isn't X and bless our stars for that.
(DIR) Post #AldqGwpQrsuuQ3J9Mm by stux@mstdn.social
2024-09-03T23:30:54Z
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@walterburns Well it matter to me :blobcatgiggle: And heck yeah! :blobpray:
(DIR) Post #AldqOL96r4nBri2Kci by trebach@functional.cafe
2024-09-03T23:32:12Z
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@stux No, but it needs to be far more strictly controlled than it is in much of the US
(DIR) Post #AldqQFhE5WCDXguFBQ by tragicomedy@mstdn.party
2024-09-03T23:32:36Z
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@stux In Poland it kinda depends. Normals guns? You have to get a license. The whole process takes around half a year (at least I heard so several years ago), however it's stupidly expensive. And there is also "broń czarnoprochowa" (i have no idea what the translation is), i.e. replicas of guns from 19th century and earlier. To everyone's surpise, since several years there is sudden growth in "accidents" with them... I wonder why.
(DIR) Post #Aldrb94X9kx08bZAPI by joseph11lim@mastodon.social
2024-09-03T23:45:43Z
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@stux Probably apt quote from this article on the topic of guns:"In 2017, U.S. civilians held an average of 120.5 firearms per 100 people, the highest rate in the world by a factor of more than two."There are more guns than people in America!?🤔😱https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2023-01-30/how-the-u-s-compares-to-the-world-on-guns
(DIR) Post #Aldsap3Lge9m0IQDSq by skydog@sfba.social
2024-09-03T23:56:51Z
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@stux We are within a decade of a fully printable, fairly functional repeating sidearm, the sole exception being the barrel (incl. forcing cone and chamber). At that point, the question becomes superfluous.It's a difficult question. There are some human dynamics that will always need equalizing, like the difference in defend-ability between males and females. Aside from the questions of sports and collecting, there will be instances where they will be needed for defense of person, and no close-in weapon can substitute. I answered no, but in reality...it depends. We can remove the war weapons now, though.
(DIR) Post #Ale28EQXGcarqMGylE by mattmaison@mastodon.world
2024-09-04T01:43:45Z
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@stux I just wish it were at least as hard to get a gun as it is to get a driver's license. Preferably a LOT harder.
(DIR) Post #AleBNGGhbOqNUAumxM by tknarr@mstdn.social
2024-09-04T03:27:17Z
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@stux My "no" vote doesn't mean I think every citizen should be able to own every type of firearm. Some types should be flat-out illegal. Some citizens with problems in their background (mental health issues, history of violent crime, etc.) should never be allowed to own any firearm. Regular safety exams and range time (at the owner's expense) to maintain proficiency should be mandatory too.
(DIR) Post #AleEOPxnLEc5hrJXWa by MossyQuartz@social.vivaldi.net
2024-09-04T04:01:07Z
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@stux There is insufficient information for me to give a reasonable answer. My unreasonable answer must be no, because of reasons. It is a poorly worded law to allow non-citizens to have firearms while prohibiting firearms to citizens. I was born into my citizenship, but not allowed to touch a firearm before I was old enough to stand and understand words. Latera I sought and obtained instruction on unarmed fighting, including ways to disarm an attacker. So far I've blocked and stopped two attacks while unarmed. I choose to be unarmed, but I want to be allowed to use any weapon which is aimed at me; therefore, I answer your poll, no.
(DIR) Post #AlePRORGZ7vjLHijUu by 0xWDG@mastodon.social
2024-09-04T06:04:41Z
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@stux for everyone!Even the law enforcement people are misusing it against unprotected citizens.
(DIR) Post #AleSsJyLZzC9Afj3Jo by Sarahw@mastodon.green
2024-09-04T06:43:27Z
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@stux Interesting that it seems that it's people from the US that find this question complicated.It's a simple yes from me. No guns = no shooting people, and yes that includes the police.Why would anyone say otherwise?
(DIR) Post #AlevUdrEtML0Z6SiB6 by noyes@mastodon.online
2024-09-04T12:04:03Z
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@stuxThe American government thinks it's funny to spread man made disease and funds genocide. Imagine what they'd get up to if they had no guns.
(DIR) Post #AlfcVNL45fY1eR0chE by ciopor@fosstodon.org
2024-09-04T20:06:01Z
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@stux Countries like switzerland show firearms are not the problem, culture and laws around them are.