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(DIR) Post #AlddtzPPuR8QJOQRaC by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:10:36Z
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Fun fact about my programming career:My first program ever written was around age 10 and it was a port of a game from one language to another.Not first "completed game" or even "first serious program": the very first code I ever wrote was me reading a BASIC game out of a book, then reading the DOS 5 manual enough to figure out how to port the game to a DOS batch file.
(DIR) Post #Alde53GbuDhRSja664 by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:11:25Z
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There's an alternate universe where I got given real programming language environments and wrote "hello world" as my first program.That universe's foone is probably a lot more normal than this one's
(DIR) Post #AldeEAViLMUiXBzda4 by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:13:17Z
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My family didn't have a computer at the time. I had to wait until we visited my grandparents (who lived about 2 hours away) to write any code.
(DIR) Post #AldeMUUpv8OGptYDqq by iThreepwood@social.vivaldi.net
2024-09-03T21:15:10Z
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@foone Hats off to that!
(DIR) Post #AldeZirtnU4HAseDdw by stilescrisis@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-09-03T21:16:06Z
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@foone Your DOS machine didn't have BASICA or QBASIC?!
(DIR) Post #Aldef22ZwV645HAtSy by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:15:48Z
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@alilly yep. And then I improved on the game from the BASIC book by adding more endings and randomization!
(DIR) Post #Aldf0YMCz9REOScPGi by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:16:21Z
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I think fundamentally I'm a programmer because my local library failed me
(DIR) Post #AldfEuTPYS1R2Wpj3g by GabeMoralesVR@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-09-03T21:17:21Z
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@foone my first time programming was apples hypercard. I do microprocessor assembly now. "Real" languages are overrated, hypercard was the perfect introduction for me. Within a week i was making myst clones.
(DIR) Post #AldfSHq5zZkFGwp30i by MidniteLibrary@glammr.us
2024-09-03T21:17:59Z
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@foone You mean, you weren't writing it by hand first?
(DIR) Post #AldfmYYVYDZ0uPGFc0 by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:18:12Z
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See around 1994 or so I was like "I WANT TO PROGRAM COMPUTERS" (because of Bigfoot and UFOs, but that's a different story) but my local library didn't have a very up to date computer section.So all the books were from the 80s, and expected you to have an 8-bit micro that of course booted to BASIC
(DIR) Post #AldfmajvQjsvgOcOga by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:19:18Z
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So they were all "to program a computer, just turn it on and type in these basic commands!"And I go home and turn on the Packard Bell 486 and type in some code!C:\> 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD!"BAD COMMAND OR FILE NAME
(DIR) Post #Aldfmc5wON5bsxvUdk by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:20:40Z
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So, facing an obstacle with no one who could help (my parents didn't know anything about computers, and my grandma who does only visits every few months), I had to Get Serious.
(DIR) Post #AldfmdDmCix3NYbGUa by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:21:44Z
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I go to the library and read ALL their computer books. I learn a lot about BASIC without being able to run it.I read all the manuals, and now I know a lot about DOS and Windows 3.1.I start experimenting with my computer, trying to find some way to program it.
(DIR) Post #AldfmeLc14oUs9H2LQ by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:22:42Z
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At one point I try to start reverse engineering windows 3.1 EXE files in order to find out how they're written... This without any knowledge of x86 assembly, or having a hex editor.I don't get far, but I'm still proud of baby!foone for trying.
(DIR) Post #AldfmfcJITlSoE5t0i by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:23:54Z
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Eventually I figure out that DOS is supposed to have a program for running basic code: GWBASIC or QBASIC.I don't have that program.
(DIR) Post #Aldfmglv0F2oOJb4cq by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:24:55Z
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We got our Packard Bell used, and the previous owner was some kind of power user who needed every last kilobyte of their hard drive, so they deleted those files.And forgot to give us the DOS installation disks with the PC, so I couldn't reinstall it.
(DIR) Post #Aldfmi0UPYIIDnQDya by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:27:03Z
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I think I only got access to a BASIC interpreter when I bought (with my own allowance) the DOS 6.22 upgrade.I think I'd tried to get the files from my grandma, but there was some issue. Maybe the floppies I copied the files onto went bad? I know that happened a few times... I once excitedly used my grandparents' company's internet connection to download the Duke Nukem 3D shareware (4-5 disks!) and then i waited until we drove home to play it, but it turned out one of the disks died
(DIR) Post #Aldfmj9O9x0TlgaqUC by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:28:17Z
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Anyway I finally got QBASIC, did a bunch of BASIC coding on that, then switched to Visual Basic 5 after a random stranger sent it to me over ICQ, and around 2000 I learnt C/C++ and started doing more serious programming.
(DIR) Post #Aldfmk9QRId8s5cOBM by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:29:21Z
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But I honestly think it was that initial period of hyperfixation that turned me into a programmer. I spent months trying to crack the code (no pun intended) and figure out how to program, and all that effort got me stuck on this path.
(DIR) Post #AldfmlW9MIOz6rG3F2 by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:30:33Z
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If I'd had access to BASIC from the beginning, I can easily imagine my interest just being a passing thing. I spent an afternoon or two typing in simple BASIC code in from the book, then return it to the library and go back to reading their whole sci-fi section
(DIR) Post #Aldg3bD6vvV048NaVc by hungryjoe@functional.cafe
2024-09-03T21:20:03Z
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@foone Could you say the resulting program was in "BASIC Batch"?
(DIR) Post #AldgHdgcWa2hnasRI8 by dave_cochran@infosec.exchange
2024-09-03T21:21:07Z
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@foone mine would've been copied out of a "3-2-1 contact" magazine except that i was like somewhere between 5 & 8 and scared of the weird symbols like "$" and "@" (and of the part where it said some of the code would need to be different depending on the computer you wrote it on), so I got my dad to do it for me instead đ
(DIR) Post #AldgsusZZ5l7ptF7Gi by 0x6f@corteximplant.com
2024-09-03T21:22:00Z
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@foone I also started by reading a game from a BASIC book into DOS qbasic.it didn't work.so then I tried to guess what the several symbols and words meant, until I eventually got the first program running.
(DIR) Post #Aldi6fBknbNpBGKk8O by jnpn@mastodon.social
2024-09-03T21:31:28Z
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@foone First program was a week long attempt at typing a PC Magazine pascal bouncing ball demo. Or more precisely a week long conversation with the compiler showing to me all possible syntax error messages.
(DIR) Post #AldiHuKipdhbKutFNg by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:32:40Z
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But the initial roadblock of "all the books are in BASIC, and you don't have a BASIC interpreter" was such a problem that it forced me to learn a lot about programming and computers and BASIC before I could get any satisfaction from successfully programming.And by then I was hooked. I knew too much about programming and computers to NOT make this my life's work.
(DIR) Post #AldiHwgm4cWwdtDt20 by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:34:10Z
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Going back in time and handing an Apple II to 1994!Foone and when I come back, modern!foone is an author who writes on a typewriter because she can't stand word processors.She mainly writes "non-fiction" about Bigfoot
(DIR) Post #AldiHxrRiQf2HHDvIu by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:51:21Z
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Oh I remembered something about my first program:Batch got a "choose" command in DOS 6, which let you do interactive prompts, and dynamically GOTO different labels.I didn't have that. I had DOS 5.So the game worked by having multiple batch files. It'd drop you to the DOS prompt after telling you what options you had, and when you typed in a command, you were really running a second batch script named COMMAND.bat
(DIR) Post #AldiHzKCH1FkojgOky by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:53:31Z
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So it'd be like:Which way do you want to go? East or west?C:\FOONEGAM> westYou head west, the cave narrows, and you hear bats. Go back? (type YES or NO)C:\FOONEGAM> no You head deeper into the cave, and eventually it opens back up, and you see light in the distance. You're free!
(DIR) Post #AldiI0oij1GNRgyHyK by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:54:38Z
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And you'd be running WEST.BAT and YES.BAT out of that folder, since I couldn't do choices.But the fun part is the randomization. How do you think that worked if I couldn't do choices and gotos?
(DIR) Post #AldiI26pv9LfSASGqe by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:56:34Z
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Simple: I wrote a SHUFFLE.BAT that would rotate the ending files. So YES.BAT became EAST.BAT, the old EAST.BAT became WEST.BAT, and the old WEST.BAT became YES.BAT.You'd type SHUFFLE at the prompt, then spam F3 (to recall the previous command) and Enter to run it a bunch of times.
(DIR) Post #AldiI30UaDrsEmUibA by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:56:59Z
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So which choices led to the good ending was "randomized" semi manually.
(DIR) Post #AldiI5HE8yRVHGL6xc by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:58:33Z
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Also, the way you died was being swarmed by bats.That wasn't an intentional joke: the BASIC program I was porting used that same enemy, where it wasn't funny that your character died from bats.Having the program that told you you died from bats be a BAT file? Now that was funny!
(DIR) Post #AldihPuAaOSYUgdNdA by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:34:46Z
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@voxel oh me too
(DIR) Post #Aldip2BWf0nTFCNuDI by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:36:05Z
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@MidniteLibrary nah, I've never done much handwriting.Computers were also a big thing for me because I can't write by hand for shit, but I can type like a motherfucker
(DIR) Post #Aldix78g7pCkvRuCpc by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:36:26Z
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@stilescrisis correct!
(DIR) Post #AldjDdr4Fv9f1eY7Bg by darkling@mstdn.social
2024-09-03T21:39:03Z
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@foone That takes me back to the day I met a Jupiter Ace (8 bit micro, but with FORTH as the language in the ROM, not BASIC).LIST... didn't fill either of us with happiness. :blobcatsad:
(DIR) Post #Aldjkafh72yKhzwNbE by severak@tiny.tilde.website
2024-09-03T21:42:36Z
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@foone I also wrote an very basic game in BAT file using choose commands and stuff. It was terrible but it had some nice ASCII art portrait of Bill Gates (I do not remember what was his role in game story anymore, but he was there).
(DIR) Post #Aldjrtbn6U0xT4b9uK by hlangeveld@hachyderm.io
2024-09-03T21:42:51Z
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@foone What?!!!!
(DIR) Post #AldjtEPFGQIQGCMoNM by hlangeveld@hachyderm.io
2024-09-03T21:43:11Z
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@foone I bet!
(DIR) Post #AldjzvTA4L0xYWOIb2 by drazraeltod@chaos.social
2024-09-03T21:44:06Z
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@foone I feel that.I even got a 80s book on basic from my library. Trying to type that into qbasic lead to not-so-helpful results.
(DIR) Post #Aldk8sJn9cI6OBH9Xs by hlangeveld@hachyderm.io
2024-09-03T21:44:37Z
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@foone Awwww...
(DIR) Post #AldkIureXgxTBJtygC by lykso@tiny.tilde.website
2024-09-03T21:45:53Z
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@foone Huh. My grandma was also the computer expert of the family, and my first code projects were also in DOS batch script. Wild!
(DIR) Post #AldkMN20H6OPPOOGWW by GreenSkyOverMe@ohai.social
2024-09-03T21:45:59Z
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@foone OMG
(DIR) Post #AldkULO4GtZIcsVrV2 by GreenSkyOverMe@ohai.social
2024-09-03T21:46:56Z
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@foone LOL đ
(DIR) Post #AldkaeuAcMZYtfXWK0 by hlangeveld@hachyderm.io
2024-09-03T21:48:06Z
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@foone That's how I spent my time around 1979.I borrowed David Ahl's 100 Basic Computer Games and typed them into my neighbour's Apple ][+ (or europlus, as it had PAL, not NTSC)
(DIR) Post #AldkahdyR2OpOIz7zc by hlangeveld@hachyderm.io
2024-09-03T21:53:03Z
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@foone At the same time I had access to several introductions to weird and wonderful languages like Lisp and APL without even the faintest opportunity to use them.On one occasion I actually found that the remote access DEC System-20 had an actual APL interpreter. But I never realised that the ')' in the job control was supposed to be part of the input, and not a prompt.
(DIR) Post #AldklgeCToDdUDKQOO by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T21:48:25Z
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@lykso are we cousins? It'd explain a lot
(DIR) Post #AldktQT8VyZnctqMmu by mircoxi@corteximplant.com
2024-09-03T21:49:23Z
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@foone This thread actually made me wonder how much better I'd be if I'd been allowed to actually Do Stuff with the computer growing up, but I was always kind of discouraged from doing anything because my parents wanted me to be a lawyer instead and I broke the computer once when I was 12 trying to install Gentoo. Quick math time... 9 hours a week from the age of 10 when I first got interested in GameMaker through to the end of college is 4212 hours, let's take that down to 6 hours while I was at uni foir another 1248 hours, then... another 16,640 hours for if I'd actually been able to get a job since I got my BSc, for a total of 22,100 hours of programming I lost out on because I internalised I wasn't allowed to do something :blobfoxmeltsob: I'm gonna go install Turbo BASIC, guess I have some catching up to do.
(DIR) Post #Aldm0bSO9zQXgbTpaK by lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-09-03T21:57:22Z
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@foone same here
(DIR) Post #AldmD691tDQuKzNoVU by lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-09-03T21:58:50Z
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@foone that's not hyperfixation, that's finally something to care about on this shit planetand the powerTHE POWER
(DIR) Post #AldmQdpDyehiYoZrG4 by alda@topspicy.social
2024-09-03T21:58:59Z
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@foone Same! Except that I found out that some of the school computers booted into BASIC but we had been taught to hold down shift-break to boot from disk instead so it went past me.
(DIR) Post #AldmYXc2xXJRbqBFkO by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T22:00:52Z
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@hlangeveld that book is a treasure
(DIR) Post #Aldml9m0u7w5RCrFqq by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T22:06:41Z
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Anyway, implementing a simple choose-your-own-adventure game with randomized endings in MS-DOS 5 Batch files is the kind of thing I might to today as a weird retrocomputing project, because it's obviously such a terrible way to make a game that it's an interesting intellectual challenge to figure out how to do, you know?And I had to do it at age 10 as my first program with only a programming guide for A DIFFERENT LANGUAGE and a DOS manual explaining all the batch commands
(DIR) Post #AldmlBzCg3fuIh2ogi by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T22:07:36Z
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I think this explains a lot about me.So if you were ever wondering why the fuck I'm like this: this is either why, or proof that I've been like this for decades.
(DIR) Post #AldmlCtZIUlH7VPpXk by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T22:19:58Z
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Here's hoping I can continue to be like this for decades more.
(DIR) Post #AldmmIOkK6VkTbWAwS by growlph@greywolf.social
2024-09-03T22:07:05Z
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@foone It is so validating to me that another human being has had this experience. Got old books on programming in BASIC from a school book fair, excitedly brought them home and tried to figure out what part of System 6 I type the commands into on our Mac IIsi
(DIR) Post #Aldn0H5vxxcSUKNtUO by stilescrisis@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-09-03T22:08:49Z
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@foone At the risk of asking a dumb question... why not?!? I thought BASIC came with every PC of DOS vintage.
(DIR) Post #Aldn5z2zyjc0FjjY3s by swetland@chaos.social
2024-09-03T22:09:16Z
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@foone Learning to program as an elementary/middle school student in the 80s was an adventure. The books were at least (usually somewhat) appropriate to the computers available at the time (modulo various BASIC and machine feature incompatibilities), but they were few and far between at my local and school libraries. Apart from one or two friends who also dabbled a bit, I never met anyone (teachers, parents, etc) at the time who knew anything useful.
(DIR) Post #AldnHSzkyS4oJrh0rI by growlph@greywolf.social
2024-09-03T22:15:02Z
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@foone The start for me ended up being when I needed a TI-80 graphing calculator for high school, and it did, in fact, have a BASIC interpreter. I couldn't interface it with our Mac to load assembly games like some of my classmates who had PCs, so if I wanted games I had to code them up myself on the calculator's keyboard - usually in class.And let me tell you - code optimization matters A LOT on that machine.
(DIR) Post #AldnR6TrXLsxO7MzAW by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T22:19:10Z
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@stilescrisis I got the PC used, with no install disks, and the previous owner deleted the BASIC program
(DIR) Post #Aldnsk28aY8XsTa2uu by crobbler@mastodon.social
2024-09-03T22:23:37Z
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@foone Hard same
(DIR) Post #Aldo1vlAMNFGqu1XbE by tekhedd@byteheaven.net
2024-09-03T22:29:00Z
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@foone BASIC was my first exposure to programming (grade 7-ish?) but I didn't really get interested in it until I was exposed to assembly.
(DIR) Post #AldoNOlXi9P4tVR8TY by lykso@tiny.tilde.website
2024-09-03T22:44:14Z
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@foone Not likely, but it'd be funny if so. It'd require a secret sibling to exist.
(DIR) Post #AldoTZ9rz9qArZkxQe by ChuckMcManis@chaos.social
2024-09-03T22:45:19Z
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@foone I really love this Foone. Given your description I don't think you would have stopped if you had BASIC.I managed to get access to a dial up system (Univac!) in high school with BASIC using an ASR33 teletype. Computers were an endless rabbit hole of interesting puzzles. Once it started I was on an endless quest to know everything. I suspect you would have continued after mastering BASIC as well.
(DIR) Post #AldoZ43GYGAs7qHzyi by PJ_Evans@mas.to
2024-09-03T22:47:24Z
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@foone My father, in the early 90s, was running virtual disks, using batch files to set up and save.
(DIR) Post #AldogcONGz8WeplSr2 by bloognoo@retro.pizza
2024-09-03T22:49:58Z
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@foone As genisis stories go, this is my favourite. Just Beautiful. You are amazing.
(DIR) Post #Aldoqu1kYq7yFQ5PAO by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-03T22:54:34Z
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@lykso my wife found out she has TWO separate Secret Siblings, so it's not impossible!
(DIR) Post #AldpEJghK22aUbP5wO by megamatt@mastodon.online
2024-09-03T23:07:52Z
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@foone holy crap, this is genius. I think this would be reasonably easy enough to implement in Bash. Just a bunch of symlinks in usr/bin, or just export function in path/bashrc.
(DIR) Post #AldyVhKVZd9qKNO69A by RueNahcMohr@infosec.exchange
2024-09-04T01:01:40Z
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@foone older computer and it'd be in the bios.we should bring back bios basic, we know there is room in there...
(DIR) Post #AldyeYfl89MY5GYJzU by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-04T01:03:04Z
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@RueNahcMohr yeah! I keep wanting to design a PCIe card that just adds BASIC-in-uefi through an option rom
(DIR) Post #AldytaYuO5f2HuW0hs by RueNahcMohr@infosec.exchange
2024-09-04T01:05:05Z
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@foone pff, you just need to work out how to append it to the extension roms on the board.If you dont know, the dump of a modern BIOS is the bios, but then all the extension roms for all the built in hardware. There are free 'slots' too.dump a bios chip :]
(DIR) Post #Ale0WlraP4uMaOV0EK by gregly@retro.pizza
2024-09-04T01:24:49Z
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@foone It wasnât my first program, but while in junior high I wanted to port Apple LOGO programs to my PC, but all I had was QuickBASIC, so I wrote a library of subroutines that emulated the LOGO turtle graphics well enough that I could translate the programs without much difficulty.
(DIR) Post #Ale1YMBkvrJFUUFlxI by foone@digipres.club
2024-09-04T01:36:10Z
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@gregly nice!
(DIR) Post #Ale4Tou32rIAxfUzsu by doty@mastodon.social
2024-09-04T02:09:02Z
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@foone Hear hear.
(DIR) Post #AleIyUdvot3qSgTsMS by min1123@allthingstech.social
2024-09-04T04:51:27Z
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@foone man, I thought my introduction was rough. TI99/4A when I was 7, all mine, in my room, with a black and white TV. The problem? All carts and no manuals. Then my parents got me âa manualâ. It was a workbook for a college comp-sci course on some other flavor of basic, and they had errors in them so that the students could find and correct them. Not knowing the language, well I didnât figure it out.Turns out I was super lucky.
(DIR) Post #AleS7zFiHd03aYkr0y by DougMNZ@infosec.exchange
2024-09-04T06:33:57Z
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@foone this seems pretty feasible. Could even do some simple graphics if you felt fancy.
(DIR) Post #AlepiynzCsjrrVOUwi by jeremy_list@hachyderm.io
2024-09-04T10:58:30Z
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@foone I had access to BASIC from the beginning but it was only a little bit compatible with what library books assumed readers were using.
(DIR) Post #Alf3df02oYpULYOMSW by bk1e@mastodon.social
2024-09-04T13:34:05Z
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@foone I had access to BASIC on the C64 and Amiga throughout childhood and never did anything interesting with it. What got me into programming was trying to optimize my friendâs minesweeper game on the TI-85, which was in TI-BASIC and too slow to play. Then DOS graphics programming with Turbo Pascal and Ralf Brownâs Interrupt List.
(DIR) Post #AlfI9sdX2yWXGX7UIK by North@chaos.social
2024-09-04T16:16:55Z
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@foone somewhere I have a composition book where, in middle school, I was writing a chat bot in a mix of BASIC and batch files. I wrote a parser that tried to "understand" whether a prompt was a question, a command, or a statement by limiting the user to EXACTLY 5-word sentences and looking for words in certain positions. I never got much farther, but I had ideas about how it could learn by asking about unfamiliar words and how it could change moods based on words used. Lol, very ambitious.
(DIR) Post #Alfbd4Ri7LFdQ1Dt68 by abalikai@theatl.social
2024-09-04T19:54:42Z
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@foone omg thatâs the same as my first coding playground, the TI-83. Just a bunch of conditionals and choose commands to play around with.
(DIR) Post #AlfbtT6GDpNQW00cMK by abalikai@theatl.social
2024-09-04T19:57:52Z
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@foone this thread just reminded me of this game on the TI-83. https://gist.github.com/mattmanning/1002653
(DIR) Post #AlyAxb6DPueTivyFcW by johninparis@zx81.social
2024-09-13T18:54:51Z
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@foone I somehow misread âMy first program ever written was around age 10â as â[âŚ] was 10 years agoâ. My reaction(s)? âWoahâ and âYeah, sheâs just that smartâ.I love that your grandmother was the computer expert in your childhood. Iâd love to learn more about her if you ever feel like writing about her again.