Post AlXH2sFASIVOnj8hcm by bobdobberson@dobbs.town
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(DIR) Post #AlXH2pBVpQnbJWPF0i by bobdobberson@dobbs.town
2024-08-30T19:47:10Z
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This quote makes me really wonder about someone's motivations:"If anyone feels like I’m picking on #Matrix, don’t worry: I have far worse things to say about #Telegram, #Threema, #XMPP + #OMEMO, #Tox, and a myriad other projects that are hungry for #Signal’s market share but don’t measure up from a cryptographic security perspective.If Signal fucked up as bad as these projects, my criticism of Signal would be equally harsh. (And remember, I have looked at Signal before.)"
(DIR) Post #AlXH2q6wNujiBdH6WW by jason123santa@fosstodon.org
2024-08-30T22:12:13Z
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@bobdobberson is that your quote?
(DIR) Post #AlXH2qvzK7ZMjx9s5g by bobdobberson@dobbs.town
2024-08-30T23:16:34Z
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@jason123santa no. It's some cryptography researcher that seems to have issues with anything that isn't Signal.
(DIR) Post #AlXH2rhUTVZD7HNo8G by jason123santa@fosstodon.org
2024-08-30T23:25:11Z
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@bobdobberson I don't agree with that totally and think that there are issues with Matrix and less issues with xmpp and tox
(DIR) Post #AlXH2sFASIVOnj8hcm by bobdobberson@dobbs.town
2024-08-30T23:27:01Z
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@jason123santa what issues are there with Matrix?
(DIR) Post #AlXH2stE3MY2nxsh3w by bobdobberson@dobbs.town
2024-08-30T19:48:49Z
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"hungry for Signal’s market share" in particular.
(DIR) Post #AlXH2t7PCdtHVwW1AG by uexo@mastodon.social
2024-08-31T10:02:14Z
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@bobdobberson @jason123santa My personal issue with Matrix is that I don't think it's a good idea to use products of venture capital startups that essentially re-invent a basic internet standard. Projects like Matrix are poison for interoperability.
(DIR) Post #AlXH2tZPWWIAuncNoe by bobdobberson@dobbs.town
2024-08-31T18:00:34Z
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@uexo how is Matrix poison to interoperability, considering it has 6 projects for the server end and more than a dozen projects for the clients?What basic internet standard is Matrix aiming to re-invent?@jason123santa
(DIR) Post #AlXH2uEB4wtyxEgwMK by uexo@mastodon.social
2024-08-31T18:44:12Z
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@bobdobberson @jason123santa The Matrix project could have been an XMPP client. Now there is no way to send an end-to-end encrypted message or to call someone from a standard compliant XMPP client.
(DIR) Post #AlXH2urWieNSvH6Mgy by bobdobberson@dobbs.town
2024-08-31T18:49:24Z
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@uexo XMPP, AFAIK, does not support streaming / voice chat.Matrix and XMPP use different protocols to communicate.You could complain that XMPP should have been an IRC client...@jason123santa
(DIR) Post #AlXH2vKEztLWMKXIRs by eukara@idtech.space
2024-08-31T19:24:55.492189Z
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@bobdobberson @uexo @jason123santa I remember when XMPP was 'encrypted' via OTR. Back then we'd use Pidgin and chat E2E encrypted via both XMPP and IRC and whatever other protocol we liked :)Obviously things like file transfers weren't secure. Neither was the Jingle (lol) VoIP stuff. None of that stuff worked great then, especially with groups on a LAN. Oops! P2P be damned!XMPP started tackling real-issues like encrypted file transfers at the start of this decade (the 2020s!) but Matrix had everything we needed already which is why we switched... years before. No hard feelings. People want use things that work today. That's why Discord will never be replaced by any soul until they get native group calling/streaming into all the major clients. This includes XMPP.
(DIR) Post #AlXH2vz0YJxKOlbqzY by bobdobberson@dobbs.town
2024-08-30T20:46:14Z
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I have a bug in my ass about this because I am reminded heavily of The Cathedral and the Bazaar, and the old days of "Micro$oft" (I was an angsty child back in the day) v. Linux.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar
(DIR) Post #AlXH2zOHsmxYy2SaJM by bobdobberson@dobbs.town
2024-08-30T20:54:56Z
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In case it's been a while since you skimmed through some of #ESR 's work, some good computing history and essays on #OpenSource ...http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/