Post AlSwoGD0IQO14I2ey8 by interfluidity@zirk.us
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 (DIR) Post #AlSZZn0zk7w3WeYVYO by interfluidity@zirk.us
       2024-08-29T13:02:03Z
       
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       Durov and France:
       
 (DIR) Post #AlScFo7yCGR32xyux6 by GuerillaOntologist@social.coop
       2024-08-29T13:32:01Z
       
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       @interfluidity Durov already has citizenship in more than one country, including France, so I don't see a reason he'd need a cover to "defect" (don't think I've heard that term since around '92).
       
 (DIR) Post #AlScYT1EtzWL58jNaq by interfluidity@zirk.us
       2024-08-29T13:35:26Z
       
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       @GuerillaOntologist yeah, “defection” is a funny word in this case, but it refers to the idea he intentionally traveled to France and placed himself publicly in the care of the French state as a negotiated means of self-protection. i agree it’s weird to talk about “defecting” to a country where you hold citizenship, but i think it is the word widely used by people who think Durov’s arrest to be a prearranged cover.
       
 (DIR) Post #AlSdDv6POShk3OunSK by GuerillaOntologist@social.coop
       2024-08-29T13:42:54Z
       
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       @interfluidity That's an interesting conspiracy theory, but imo, Occam's Razor indicates that he's being arrested because he refuses to cooperate with governments anywhere, and he has f-u money from winning the tech startup lottery so he thought he could get away with it. Probably more fun to assume a cloak and dagger, though 🤷‍♂️
       
 (DIR) Post #AlSdMhiqVegbA95AtU by interfluidity@zirk.us
       2024-08-29T13:44:30Z
       
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       @GuerillaOntologist I think that’s a fair view! I do see others expressing the more cloak and dagger view! I honestly don’t have a view, but I was curious what others thought.
       
 (DIR) Post #AlSfMP5M08TZGlawCW by GuerillaOntologist@social.coop
       2024-08-29T14:06:50Z
       
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       @interfluidity Here's another viewpoint that seems reasonable: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2024/08/pavel-durov-and-the-abuse-of-law/
       
 (DIR) Post #AlSh5k6AoyPrQUA3vM by sqrtminusone@emacs.ch
       2024-08-29T14:26:14Z
       
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       @interfluidity @GuerillaOntologist Uhm, protection from whom? From Russia?This guy has his own security service, no less, and the money to move to almost any country in the world
       
 (DIR) Post #AlSio4YoCoAlaEG0ky by dacig@mastodon.social
       2024-08-29T14:45:25Z
       
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       @interfluidity Macron is in a tight spot. i think he is trying to get leverage, probably on Putin to help NATO, and intel about  Wagner in Africa that would help him keep France's colonies.
       
 (DIR) Post #AlSwoGD0IQO14I2ey8 by interfluidity@zirk.us
       2024-08-29T17:22:23Z
       
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       @sqrtminusone @GuerillaOntologist My understanding is he has plaintext access to nearly everything that goes across telegram if he wants it. In that circumstance, there’s arguably no country and no security service and no amount of money that can protect you. You are too valuable for a state actor not to own. If that’s right, the question before you isn’t how to protect yourself from state actors, but which state actor to be protected (and owned) by.