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(DIR) Post #AlRRlLk1ygldcbf7UO by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-28T23:59:43Z
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I was too scared to ask when I got it for a wedding gift like 18 years ago... but does this rice cooker *really* have "fuzzy logic"? What exactly does that mean? Is that why it is so magical and cooks the rice perfectly with no thinking?Will looking into its secrets cause it to stop working?
(DIR) Post #AlRS3dARvW6msdjiT2 by lePetomaneAncien@fosstodon.org
2024-08-29T00:03:00Z
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@futurebird Go for it. If you can't open it, you don't own it so you have nothing to lose. #IVoidWarranties
(DIR) Post #AlRS5OUPTDqBw6uhDE by vt52@ioc.exchange
2024-08-29T00:03:11Z
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@futurebird not sure if you want the answers to your questions, but at least for the magical perfect cooking is due to... well... magic:https://medium.com/0xmachina/cooking-with-magnetism-for-real-f4ff8b1dc51a
(DIR) Post #AlRS6injRC1HDmaHiK by ricci@discuss.systems
2024-08-29T00:03:07Z
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@futurebird Technology Connections has you covered: https://youtu.be/RSTNhvDGbYI?feature=shared
(DIR) Post #AlRS880rBdDDhgOUka by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-29T00:03:14Z
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My only complaint about any rice cooker is none of them are small enough. Show me one that makes exactly a half cup of rice perfectly, no sticking, and I'd go nuts for that. I always need to rope people in to help me eat the rice.
(DIR) Post #AlRS9prHegXPygjLXs by TeflonTrout@beige.party
2024-08-29T00:03:29Z
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@futurebird ...I thought that was just a brand from the Sims. The fact that you own one is delightful and nostalgic
(DIR) Post #AlRSFytwwk3PlHuM64 by dancline@mstdn.social
2024-08-29T00:05:13Z
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@futurebird I love your posts. Thank you!
(DIR) Post #AlRSIm86t5At1Irbge by michael_w_busch@mastodon.online
2024-08-29T00:05:44Z
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@futurebirdMagnets. How do they work?(Quite literally - rice cookers usually use a magnetic thermostat that cuts the power as soon as the temperature rises above 100 C, so it cuts the power once the water all turns into steam.)
(DIR) Post #AlRSOS7EDFcagV9sBM by JamesWidman@mastodon.social
2024-08-29T00:06:47Z
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@futurebird who needs hardware to prevent sticking when we have olive oil
(DIR) Post #AlRSTs2DH1FsWFOc0u by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-29T00:07:48Z
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@JamesWidman In rice????
(DIR) Post #AlRSVueWVklbDYHzDk by JamesWidman@mastodon.social
2024-08-29T00:08:10Z
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@futurebird i mean... it seems to work for me?
(DIR) Post #AlRSXGWGhE4hKH4a12 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-29T00:08:18Z
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@michael_w_busch OK but what about the "fuzzy logic" ?
(DIR) Post #AlRSZMiUct657pnB7Q by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-29T00:08:41Z
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@JamesWidman It's probably fine... IDK
(DIR) Post #AlRSjGIVLb8Y72M5r6 by michael_w_busch@mastodon.online
2024-08-29T00:10:29Z
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@futurebird Seems like someone copying over language from control system engineering descriptions without caring that much for accuracy.
(DIR) Post #AlRT1CffZKOi4tkILY by david_preston@mastodon.social
2024-08-29T00:13:47Z
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@futurebird they are mysterious and temperamental. I did cook a small amount of rice the other day and it did stick to the bottom of it, I just scraped it off and ate it, instead of the normal which is making enough rice for 5 large families.
(DIR) Post #AlRT2dwldxxMxhQhqy by kims@mas.to
2024-08-29T00:13:56Z
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@futurebird @JamesWidman I always coat the bottom of the pan with olive oil and coat the rice in it before adding liquid, but I was taught by my french mother and I cook rice in chicken stock, so...Anyway, pretty sure this is the smallest capacity rice cooker available in the UShttps://yum-asia.com/us/rice-cooker-capacity-guide/?srsltid=AfmBOoos8ZGgrCdfuZaAPIjebc4EcSL0iUVLRRRzZF3Gwsgcocarwj0z
(DIR) Post #AlRTO5mpKcGfO10Y0e by superflippy@mastodon.xyz
2024-08-29T00:17:55Z
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@futurebird Our old, cheapo rice cooker makes 1 cup.
(DIR) Post #AlRTyla1QDCDQoVQlE by CynthesisToday@sfba.social
2024-08-29T00:24:31Z
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@futurebird Zojirushi Micom Rice Cooker no sticking (even w/o oil) as little as 0.5 cup up to 3 cups raw. Perfection
(DIR) Post #AlRUCBbBzmUZtNS760 by unixorn@hachyderm.io
2024-08-29T00:26:58Z
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@futurebird won’t the ants help out?
(DIR) Post #AlRUa547wCcaZzNdJI by dogfox@mastodon.social
2024-08-29T00:31:18Z
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That's why rice pudding was invented!!@futurebird
(DIR) Post #AlRV0xymONqWQ8hOue by Amoshias@esq.social
2024-08-29T00:24:29Z
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@zens @futurebird Reading about fuzzy logic in the early 90s when it was a big buzzword all my kid brain thought was "isn't this just programming?"
(DIR) Post #AlRV2A2D3YYk6CsBX6 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-29T00:36:21Z
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@CynthesisToday That's the one I have but the guide said to always cook a full cup.
(DIR) Post #AlRWnUCryWSIE3zPAe by jannem@fosstodon.org
2024-08-29T00:56:07Z
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@futurebird Our Sharp three-cup sized cooker does half a cup perfectly every time (I often do half a cup when I eat alone or making rice for my lunch). It uses an induction heater which avoids over boiling or burning the rice even if you leave it for a few hours.
(DIR) Post #AlRbK0vYFuDcn4efQm by HoustonDog@mastodon.world
2024-08-29T01:46:48Z
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@futurebird an early1990 IEEE article (electrical engineering professional association) had a fuzzy logic explainer involving a car heater for their example, but it easily could have been a rice cooker! * instead of hard and fast programming rules, it was more of a 'range' and a general concept of defining stuff with "ish" such as warm-ish or slow-er ... versus preciseness with specific values. Like a recipe talking about a few pinches of salt rather than saying to use 1 1/2 teaspoons
(DIR) Post #AlRbexv6dChnXrR9aC by dan@discuss.systems
2024-08-29T01:50:36Z
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@futurebird As far as I can tell, the answer is that they actually have a real temperature sensor (...and possibly other sensors?) and cook the rice using a specific temperature profile rather than just using the cool magnet trick everyone's already mentioned to run the heater at full power until it's done.But I've never actually been able to figure out what they do beyond that. Do they use humidity sensors or anything besides temperature? What do they do to adjust the time? Why did they decide to call this fuzzy logic?
(DIR) Post #AlRcDOxkasOtGK5ucK by martin_piper@mastodon.social
2024-08-29T01:56:51Z
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@futurebird decades ago it was a buzzword. Like AI is today.
(DIR) Post #AlRgGEzwUwsd2ijGC0 by bogosity@im-in.space
2024-08-29T02:42:09Z
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@futurebird I thought "fuzzy logic" was boolean algebra for cats.
(DIR) Post #AlRjLoSIObfKK2L6pM by dan@discuss.systems
2024-08-29T01:41:59Z
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@phooky @futurebird I'm genuinely surprised that they haven't started marketing it as "AI" yet... oh, guess I spoke too soon.
(DIR) Post #AlRjLp8TrlPSQs4na4 by regehr@mastodon.social
2024-08-29T01:45:33Z
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@dan @phooky @futurebird don't know about y'all but I cook my rice on the blockchain
(DIR) Post #AlRjPdR5JAWBIuazLM by va2lam@mastodon.nz
2024-08-29T01:55:43Z
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@dan @futurebird is there a patent? Is it written in Japanese?
(DIR) Post #AlRjPeYDA9oSlIwC5g by dan@discuss.systems
2024-08-29T02:01:38Z
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@va2lam @futurebird I was literally just looking (yup, I've been nerd sniped!)Zojirushi doesn't hold any US utility patents on rice cookers, only design patents, but they probably do in Japan...
(DIR) Post #AlRjPfKQGuNTApUhEm by dan@discuss.systems
2024-08-29T02:07:55Z
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@va2lam @futurebird to my great surprise, not only does Google Translate do a pretty good job with Japanese patents, it even manages to reproduce the peculiar argot of English patent filings
(DIR) Post #AlRjPftWAQRyvfuiwK by regehr@mastodon.social
2024-08-29T02:10:45Z
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@dan @va2lam @futurebird stop me if I'm just saying obvious stuff but my understanding of rice cookers is that the actual thing they do well is notice the temperature spiking once the water is all boiled off, then they turn off (or down) the heater
(DIR) Post #AlRjQmiwGFzEOqUkWu by va2lam@mastodon.nz
2024-08-29T02:12:56Z
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@regehr @dan @futurebird we got Dan looking to see if they do anything else!
(DIR) Post #AlRjQnZl5sEn2fCvrM by dan@discuss.systems
2024-08-29T02:15:08Z
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@va2lam @regehr @futurebird
(DIR) Post #AlRjQonyWVCgr2rneq by dan@discuss.systems
2024-08-29T02:46:03Z
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@va2lam @regehr @futurebird okay! So it looks like there are three temperature sensors, one in the base, one in the heatsink in the lid, and one in the steam exhaust.And it looks like the reason for this is that when you make a small amount of rice, it heats faster and has more room for steam, but the heat transfer to the lid is slower, so you can use the sensors to figure out how full it is and more accurately determine when it is boiling.If I'm understanding it correctly, it first holds the rice at a pre-cooking temperature (40C), then brings it to a boil... which it detects either by the steam sensor or the lid temperature sensor hitting some value, which it uses to decide how much rice you're cooking and choose different setpoints for when to turn on and off the heater.I think, anyway! Not sure I understood that last part correctly, and my rice cooker just played its happy song to tell me that it's finished, so I'd better go make the rest of dinner...
(DIR) Post #AlRjcIGbKFZ7PijCUK by regehr@mastodon.social
2024-08-29T02:28:20Z
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@dan @va2lam @futurebird for real, I'm trying and failing to map this graph onto my understanding of how these things work. like, if the really dense vertical lines are pulse width modulation of the heater, why does this only start 20 minutes in???
(DIR) Post #AlRjcJ2oR087pFHhdQ by SnoopJ@hachyderm.io
2024-08-29T02:34:54Z
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@regehr @dan @va2lam @futurebird soak period, I think
(DIR) Post #AlRjcJgW3NtBoNrPWK by regehr@mastodon.social
2024-08-29T02:35:33Z
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@SnoopJ @dan @va2lam @futurebird oooohh. got it. I don't think any of my rice cookers have done that!
(DIR) Post #AlRjcK8sLwZfEL83iy by SnoopJ@hachyderm.io
2024-08-29T02:53:27Z
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@regehr @dan @va2lam @futurebird my best (and probably incorrect) reading of the label for the first period is 子熟. I'm more confident in 熟 (ripen, mature) and it seems to be used in some verbs that would make sense if this is a "get ready to cook the rice" contextThe ones with lots o' brains have profiles like this I think to get better results across a wider variety of cultivars (where the west eats mostly like… 3 cultivars), but there's also all kinds of not-rice things cooked in zojirushis
(DIR) Post #AlRjcKqTjpS7PZWsgi by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-29T03:19:45Z
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@SnoopJ @regehr @dan @va2lam Mine has a button that says "cake" ... I've never used it, but I'm very fond of it, since it's like have a "fun" button.
(DIR) Post #AlRjh0jlvYOuUkccUq by regehr@mastodon.social
2024-08-29T02:48:56Z
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@dan @va2lam @futurebird thanks for digging in!I will just mention something I read years ago (no idea if it's true, or what the source was): at the time (early 2000s I think) rice cookers were the single largest use case for microcontrollers, and these were almost entirely 4-bit MCUs, which are wild little devices on their own
(DIR) Post #AlRjlr2bPBiZs1jtUu by lolonurse@ohai.social
2024-08-29T03:21:08Z
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@futurebird I've also been looking for a tiny rice maker for 1, maybe 2. SO many say they're small, then talk about 1.5-3 cups dry/uncooked! NO! Amazon has one called Macook rice cooker small, 0.3L mini cooker. One review said while the directions begin with 1/2 cup, he often just cooks 1/4 cup & turns out great. Is $25.99 Can cook quinoa, oatmeal, soup... has removable non-stick pot insert. 7"h x 6"across.
(DIR) Post #AlRjuYt2GuvMAjPsYa by puercomal@sfba.social
2024-08-29T03:23:04Z
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@futurebird not gonna claim that a zojirushi is really doing the fuzzy logic thing, but fuzzy logic is a thing. Some books:* Fuzzy Thinking: The New Science of Fuzzy Logic https://a.co/d/4cTAz2V* Fuzzy Logic for Business and Industry (DOS Windows) https://a.co/d/93VpNh4I used to work with Earl Cox, really smart guy
(DIR) Post #AlRk977lm2f8PdFNke by regehr@mastodon.social
2024-08-29T03:25:40Z
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@futurebird @SnoopJ @dan @va2lam wow!! I haven't had a rice cooker for a few years since my last one died but if we get another it better do cake
(DIR) Post #AlRkhHP246ww8Vc4i8 by homelessjun@mas.to
2024-08-29T03:31:52Z
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@futurebird @CynthesisToday i have had my zojirushi micom "3 cup" rice cooker for about 15 years. ti does 1/2 serving, 90mL dry quite well.i have considered replacing it with a bigger one but those can't do less than a full serving. a full serving is often too much.used for any rice, from mochi yo jasmine.i *always* wash & soak the rice first. it is less gunky & tastes better
(DIR) Post #AlRkxUXH0Nh9V6CLaK by thedansimonson@lingo.lol
2024-08-29T03:33:14Z
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@dan @phooky @futurebird there was a whole wave of “fuzzy logic” infused products in Japan in the late 80s and early 90s—it had a moment there
(DIR) Post #AlRlv88fPBIbPf7uds by meltedcheese@c.im
2024-08-29T03:45:36Z
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@futurebird I have a fuzzy logic rice cooker, bought in Tokyo a long time ago. Makes perfect rice every single time, even if you mess up the water/rice ratio. We love it.
(DIR) Post #AlRmJN5RTqmAiuB3mi by Extra_Special_Carbon@mastodon.world
2024-08-29T03:49:58Z
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@futurebird You do NOT want sticky rice? Wha?I remember uncle Ben’s making that claim in ads. I always thought that ofd. How does one use chopsticks with non-sticky rice? I don’t use chopsticks, but I think I only ever have rice with asian dishes. It should be sticky, IMO.
(DIR) Post #AlRmSE4iM5OrNd3jN2 by fuzzykb@hachyderm.io
2024-08-29T03:51:32Z
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@futurebird what "they" mean by the term "fuzzy logic:" something that uses a lot of mathwhat I mean by the term "fuzzy logic:" any form of "reasoning" produced by my cat-hair-coated, ADHD-addled brain. On a good day.
(DIR) Post #AlRpLrYZSth1fJgKbw by dan@discuss.systems
2024-08-29T04:24:00Z
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@futurebird @SnoopJ @regehr @va2lam I really cannot imagine what a cake made in a rice cooker would be like, but I’m imagining it plays an even more cheerful tune when it’s done. Some people in Bean Club have been talking about cooking beans in their rice cookers, but even that seems wrong to me, like a type error. It says rice in the name!
(DIR) Post #AlRqlMkWjBhFbNzyvQ by albertcardona@mathstodon.xyz
2024-08-29T04:39:47Z
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@futurebird I come from a culture where we cook rice on a frying pan ... I never understood the allure of rice cookers. Perhaps because we use bread as the starch in most dishes rather than rice cooked all by itself.
(DIR) Post #AlRsy2BmgL0ZVYutG4 by shironeko@fedi.tesaguri.club
2024-08-29T05:04:37.456229Z
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@futurebird there's always the fridge right?
(DIR) Post #AlSH7wb2jAwRxUzPDU by th@social.v.st
2024-08-29T09:35:12Z
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@futurebird @SnoopJ @regehr @dan @va2lam the button works! sometimes @holly makes delicious small cakes in our rice cooker.
(DIR) Post #AlSMhmdZjTQdGb5C3k by tuban_muzuru@ohai.social
2024-08-29T10:37:44Z
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@futurebird Let's imagine a machine where we take all the true-false switches and replace them with analog dials. The way people do things.Let's take an lovely old Korean lady who's cooked rice all her life, follow her around and measure everything she does. This old lady no longer measures anything. Do this a few thousand times and build up the data - how much rice, how much water - it forms curves.That's implementing fuzzy logic.
(DIR) Post #AlSN0mFtNQQnaH3ugy by fritzoids@mas.to
2024-08-29T10:38:37Z
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@th @futurebird @SnoopJ @regehr @dan @va2lam @holly this is the sign for me to *seriously* consider getting a rice cooker that has more than the "cook" and "keep warm" settings.(I secretly covet one that will make mochi for me.)
(DIR) Post #AlSN0n5IIJY29h6xoO by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-29T10:41:11Z
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@fritzoids @th @SnoopJ @regehr @dan @va2lam @holly For all the goofy marketing it's a gadget I've used for nearly two decades and I love it. I hope the models being sold now are made with the same level of quality.
(DIR) Post #AlSNWmnUtgAcX22lWK by fritzoids@mas.to
2024-08-29T10:46:59Z
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@futurebird @th @SnoopJ @regehr @dan @va2lam @holly I love my rice cooker. It is >15 years old and simple but works perfectly every time. I highly recommend gifting one to anyone who asks what to get someone who is moving out. (I've even made coffee in mine by putting the little Italian coffe-maker in it.)
(DIR) Post #AlSQFEdKxpgXVvc7fs by CynthesisToday@sfba.social
2024-08-29T11:17:25Z
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@futurebird Huh... mine was purchased in the last couple of years. Gave away my family sized one and got this one, so I could make smaller amounts.Perhaps yours was purchased longer ago with older instructions? Checked my manual, which includes recipes, tables, etc instructions down to 0.5 cups.Half a cup works. Maybe go with weighing out half the provided cups: 3 oz for rice you'll rinse, 2.9 oz for rinse-free rice. My cooker insert has a line for 0.5. If yours doesn't maybe get a replacement insert?
(DIR) Post #AlSQLRTO8jUH4Yv77Q by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-08-29T11:18:33Z
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@CynthesisToday I tried cooking just a half cup last night and it worked just fine. Now I just still wish it was smaller so it'd take up less space, but it works fine for even making just a half portion.
(DIR) Post #AlSR0HSYH5HvtC0CLQ by CynthesisToday@sfba.social
2024-08-29T11:25:55Z
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@futurebird Agree about the overall size vs cabinet/counter space. Payment for rice perfection, alas.
(DIR) Post #Ala0xgaRLuZjPKTPqC by webframp@hachyderm.io
2024-09-02T03:11:48Z
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@futurebird I always make 3 cups and use leftovers for fried rice in a cast iron skillet the next few days