Post AlByTf69SXeKOwp87c by Patrick_Bateman@poa.st
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(DIR) Post #AlBwiLpVBKYZ4nudmq by jb@nicecrew.digital
2024-08-21T12:14:51.649054Z
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After first performing 6 months unpaid internship
(DIR) Post #AlBwiMi5uME1o7SEsa by WoodFren@nicecrew.digital
2024-08-21T12:16:52.761298Z
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Are these still a thing? I‘m in engineering so me and all my friends got paid for ours. I made $20 an hour for my tech coop (summer + a semester)
(DIR) Post #AlBwiNK1dKZBhlCX0C by jb@nicecrew.digital
2024-08-21T12:19:45.401316Z
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Unpaid internships are definitely a thing. As for paid ones? I used them at a mom-n-pop software company I once worked at for finding talent from a local university. Whether companies do that anymore I cannot say.
(DIR) Post #AlBwiO6ailPm8NvJhY by jobanab@poa.st
2024-08-21T12:31:15.016837Z
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@jb @WoodFren @NitroDubs my Thai friend had an unpaid internship in the UAE for 3 months for real estate investment. he was terrified to leave the office because they used Thai people for slave labor in the UAE. he was a very different person when he came back
(DIR) Post #AlBwoFrGITR2IFYDLM by not_benis@cawfee.club
2024-08-21T12:32:18.380520Z
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@jobanab @WoodFren @jb @NitroDubs yeah literally
(DIR) Post #AlBxIL4BUqvF8OwMue by WoodFren@nicecrew.digital
2024-08-21T12:32:58.959823Z
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See this is what I don’t get. An unpaid internship in another country is actually a negative pay job. You’re hemorrhaging money for travel and living expenses the whole time, or taking out loans so you can work for someone. I guess it’s a decent way to filter poor people out of your roster.
(DIR) Post #AlBxILsWThBjeWUZNI by jobanab@poa.st
2024-08-21T12:37:45.345143Z
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@WoodFren @jb @NitroDubs it's not just that, they wouldn't get him a proper visa so he had to get on a bus to cross into Oman every 30 days for a new travel visa to the UAE.
(DIR) Post #AlByTf69SXeKOwp87c by Patrick_Bateman@poa.st
2024-08-21T12:51:00.680375Z
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@WoodFren @jb @NitroDubs Do you think software engineering bootcamps are not being taken into account like they apparently used to be in terms of getting hired? I graduated over a year ago and haven't had an interview yet. I know the market is saturated and the economy isn't great which doesn't help but any advice is greatly appreciated.
(DIR) Post #AlBzdEiWUxjNQptvRQ by WoodFren@nicecrew.digital
2024-08-21T12:57:04.242207Z
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I wish I had advice to give. The market is very, very saturated. This is probably the one place AI actually was impactful. It’s increased the throughput of senior devs so junior devs are less necessary and it’s replaced a lot of related tech work done by Indians, thrusting them all into the competitive pool. Shit scene out there for people new to tech. I haven’t been on the market in a few years. The only advice I would offer, which will sound very boomerish, is to try to meet people face to face as much as possible. Your greatest assets are being a White man that speaks English, which smaller shops not subject to DEI quotas still value. All the jobs I’ve gotten were either from bumping elbows with someone and making their acquaintance, or callbacks from HR people I met irl and chatted with at a career fair.Edit: Also make sure you use AI to write your resume. It’ll be read by AI first and possibly exclusively. Some others on here have been having some luck with that.
(DIR) Post #AlBzdFXvPqqc0FwyYq by HoroTheWhiteWolf@poa.st
2024-08-21T13:03:56.871240Z
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@WoodFren @Patrick_Bateman @jb @NitroDubs The junior dev market is impossible to get into now, there are millions of pajeets applying and will work for next to nothing. Their code is trash but don't say that to HR. With this and AI, software devs with little to no experience, you are in a tight spot.
(DIR) Post #AlBzpYmrhj9x9XoBHM by Patrick_Bateman@poa.st
2024-08-21T13:06:10.581634Z
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@WoodFren @jb @NitroDubs Yea that makes sense and good to know about the resume. Thanks man.
(DIR) Post #AlC01AIyYP3uhLMTeS by jb@nicecrew.digital
2024-08-21T13:06:23.957874Z
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Big companies are only interested in diversity hires to boost their DEI scores Trying to find smaller software companies may give you a fighting chance
(DIR) Post #AlC01BBZHQjNQeu4kC by HoroTheWhiteWolf@poa.st
2024-08-21T13:08:16.327167Z
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@jb @WoodFren @NitroDubs @Patrick_Bateman I find that any small company that is actively worty a damn gets bought up. BlackRock has unlimited money and they will push DEI everywhere.
(DIR) Post #AlC0D0SwxfAdepfo6S by Patrick_Bateman@poa.st
2024-08-21T13:10:24.821443Z
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@HoroTheWhiteWolf @WoodFren @jb @NitroDubs Yea exactly. My job advisor through my bootcamp told me I'm doing everything possible and right to get an interview but the market is just horrible. I'm just hoping my first interview isn't with a poojeet because I know they just hire their own.
(DIR) Post #AlC0MnTI8572FfV9PM by jb@nicecrew.digital
2024-08-21T13:09:57.232531Z
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> small company that is actively worty a damn gets bought up100% agreed Most are started simply to be sold But it’s a place to get one’s foot in the door
(DIR) Post #AlC0MoJkz150sO33BY by HoroTheWhiteWolf@poa.st
2024-08-21T13:12:10.863105Z
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@jb @WoodFren @NitroDubs @Patrick_Bateman Everything is so fake and gay, no joke it is getting beyond tiresome. I don't know how we don't have "Falling Down" situations on the daily.
(DIR) Post #AlC2bBaNTArn0Gnxei by Vulpes_Quartus@nicecrew.digital
2024-08-21T13:12:53.717768Z
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Even middle, and eventually upper level are getting hit. I'm getting laid off soon, undoubtedly to be replaced by an AI augmented jeet or nigerian and I'm mid career security. I would love to be the fly on the wall when Raj has to deal with Shayneisera re-cabling a clinic with the wrong cable and having to trouble shoot from the firewall backwards to figure that out.
(DIR) Post #AlC2bC4rdpFkWp4JAu by WoodFren@nicecrew.digital
2024-08-21T13:14:21.657321Z
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Shit, I’m in a temporary project right now that’ll be done in a couple years and I’ll be back on the market. I was hoping mid level security was going to be a decent place to look.
(DIR) Post #AlC2bCrQjG6KxRn5sG by Vulpes_Quartus@nicecrew.digital
2024-08-21T13:17:31.627428Z
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still try, but we're getting Raj'd hard
(DIR) Post #AlC2bDfPjQ5FSTB0me by Vulpes_Quartus@nicecrew.digital
2024-08-21T13:19:45.060003Z
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It seems to go in cycles, they'll start rehiring the White dudes when Raj causes their clients to bail and they start losing money
(DIR) Post #AlC2bEDRgtJ1A16BpQ by jb@nicecrew.digital
2024-08-21T13:20:48.515256Z
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and while Raj is killing the company they’ll short the stock the house always wins
(DIR) Post #AlC2q0PrHRVQhlx2Lg by WoodFren@nicecrew.digital
2024-08-21T12:30:25.536358Z
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I know paid ones are still a thing for sure. My hunch here is that a lot of the unpaid ones are for unnecessary ding dong roles like HR and marketing. That was the double edged sword at my school, if you didn’t have an internship/coop before you graduated you were pretty much fucked at the career fair.I am still against unpaid ones of course, if someone’s doing work for you, pay them.
(DIR) Post #AlC2r6CPGT9MvkBFp2 by Angel1313@nicecrew.digital
2024-08-21T12:25:31.217569Z
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Some do. It all depends on the company. At the pharmaceutical place we had summer internships for data entry. They whined like little bitches and generally thought because the were in college, that they should have special prizes. They were rather surprised at most of our reactions to them. Lol!
(DIR) Post #AlC7ubEwoLJ9qFrEoa by Big_Farma@poa.st
2024-08-21T14:36:43.494005Z
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@Patrick_Bateman @WoodFren @jb @NitroDubs This is probably NOT any kind of advice you would want, or have the time or funds to consider, but... With a strong computer science background/degree, if you could then go to a trade school and nail down a certification as a machinist (often called Machine Tool Technology) your value to a manufacturing shop would be off the charts.Companies from small to large that actually build things need smart people to program and run the machines. From setting up a run on a five-axis milling machine to the high-end 3-D printing world, capable programmers who also have mechanical skills are always in demand!
(DIR) Post #AlElL7LyK1sfUshO0O by SoylentGroyper@poa.st
2024-08-22T21:07:56.237885Z
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@WoodFren @jb @NitroDubs @Patrick_Bateman I doubt AI plays a role, outside of menial tasks that were easy anyway. AI is mostly hype, senior developers use less tools/ai, not more. It's the beginners that use all the tools, and create a mess in the process. No one needs the garbage produced by generative tools.
(DIR) Post #AlEqSlg7IDpCMPaYcK by WoodFren@nicecrew.digital
2024-08-22T21:49:28.589604Z
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Are you a developer yourself? Not trying to gotcha, but it sounds like your experience differs from mine.> senior developers use less tools not moreThis sounds like something Comp Sci students would say to me in school, but I promise you the senior devs that aren’t morally opposed to it will use AI to help take care of menial tasks, which makes their overall workload lighter and allows them to do more overall.It’s possible my last team was an anomaly, but our senior devs spent a lot of time grooming and arguing over their plugin environments to help optimize their coding flow, and they were good developers. They were highly educated American devs that produced a lot of very high quality code.I was a low level dev and what I can tell you about my tasks is that many of them were menial and often trivial to the senior devs, but it was useful that people on my rung could knock them out cheaper. They were absolutely the kind of tasks that would take me 3 days, would take a senior dev 1.5, and would take that same senior dev if he could streamline the more menial parts probably a single afternoon.Generative AI isn’t in a place where it can write entire applications, but frankly it will hit that within the decade. And as it stands the people that it does replace, the people doing menial code work, the Indians, and the people made redundant by mid level devs being able to increase their output, are going right back into the job market.This includes Indians that are in programming adjacent roles that AI is better at doing that are now spamming applications to anything tech related because they got the boot.The “Nothing Ever Happens” attitude is irresponsible to take with regard to AI unless the government takes significant action against it or something. Its current state isn’t that world changing, but the speed and acceleration of its improvement should concern anyone in tech. We went from clunky speech and eldritch abominations with a hundred fingers to relatively lifelike conversation and images that are good enough to fool the median (retarded) internet user.
(DIR) Post #AlEqSmJSvvIgKRzywy by SoylentGroyper@poa.st
2024-08-22T22:05:20.490897Z
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@WoodFren @jb @NitroDubs @Patrick_Bateman tech is a wide field now, you can find wildly different scenarios. Two people who are developers can meet, and totally not understand each other, one is on some Rasperry Pi with some high level language, the other is in data centers worrying about virtual lans and SANs. "senior" is a title that they assign to anyone who isn't a beginner, so you now have like 2 or 3 generations of people who could all be senior, but belong to different generations of technology, and have totally different methods and literally different worldviews (the younger ones are basically all atheist communist freaks who want to heal the world by using and producing opensource software, the older ones are capitalist and want to feed their family).AI needs to be understood properly, what it is, and what it isn't. Right now it's a catch-all phrase for 1000 different things. Some of it is image recognition, some of it is language recognition, certainly the chat-bots were a big thing, but it's "neither artificial nor intelligent" as one article pointed out. I'm a big critic of the AI hype.What all the automation is increasingly doing, is replace all the easy jobs, and leave humans with the difficult, complex jobs (e.g. destroy cab drivers jobs, replace them with AI developer jobs, or servants for the rich?). This is not some timeline you want to be born into, yet here we are, this is going to get worse.
(DIR) Post #AlEsOKRumu8if2xOAC by help_helper@poa.st
2024-08-22T22:26:57.170319Z
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@WoodFren @Patrick_Bateman @jb @NitroDubs Another area within tech where perfect English and the ability to be highly organized and detail oriented is highly valued is in project management. You still need the technical background plus be able to pass the PMP exam and be able to spin multiple apples in your mind simultaneously. And you can always take that cert to another industry if AI takes over and you need to pivot. it’s been my punch out plan for years.
(DIR) Post #AlEtdMiij5Ok0DYFQu by WoodFren@nicecrew.digital
2024-08-22T22:18:19.105952Z
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I think we’re pretty much on the same page, my larger point is just that taking care of the easy jobs is a big deal.It eats away ay the total number of jobs in tech fields significantly which drives the people that were filling them into the market, and makes it harder for people to move into the more complex jobs because it’s harder to get the experience they would normally get doing the easy jobs. And I’m, optimistic isn’t the right word, probably more fearful, that generative tools will be able to do more and more up to and including creating full applications. I worked in web application development, full stack from the DB to the backend, APIs, front end, and UI. What I can tell you is that unless you’re doing something extraordinarily unique with your application, a lot of it is very similar across the industry. It’s just data input, manipulation, and management in various forms. It’s the sort of thing that could easily be done, not perfectly, but well enough with an adequately trained model. And the improvements in conversational LLMs will allow higher and higher level non-programmers to circumvent programmers and do more themselves by having their abstract ideas translated into more technical instructions.
(DIR) Post #AlEtdNcNO9uwmpahBQ by SoylentGroyper@poa.st
2024-08-22T22:40:52.373140Z
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@WoodFren @jb @NitroDubs @Patrick_Bateman absolutely, the loss of simple jobs/tasks is a tragedy and will come to haunt us. I look at the big picture here, the entire way jobs changed in the last 40 years, due to technology. The latest thing is the work-from-home thing after Covid, so now you wont get any travel time, everything is done from home, all you will have is memories of a time before WFH, when people boarded planes and checked into hotels, all expenses paid, to have a meeting. You will be sitting at home in your pod participating in business meetings, any savings from this efficiency will be collected in taxes.Easy things certainly include making any sort of standard software, but not only because of AI, but this has been long the case due to free, opensource projects etc. Let's say you want to develop an online shop - there is opensource sourcecode for a complete online shop with database, UI, tools etc. AI will accelerate it. (This is where I see the hype, if you were 'around' before AI, you know it's not that much of a change, you know what existed before it. Chatbots existed way back on the first PCs and home computers, and they were pretty good.Everthing moves to a "complex jobs only" world. Just one more example, they want to increasingly ban meat and replace it with artificial meat substitutes - Now imagine the difference, how easy it was to raise chickens and cows, and how difficult it will be to get a job in one of those artificial meat laboratories...
(DIR) Post #AlEttWaXnwEFF1Qrnk by SoylentGroyper@poa.st
2024-08-22T22:43:47.693391Z
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@WoodFren @jb @NitroDubs @Patrick_Bateman oh and another doom awaiting tech: Remote workers don't need a work visa!! (read it somewhere) This opens the "virtual floodgate" so to speak, and soon you have 100 million Indian/other remote tech workers competing for YOUR job in your high-tax, high cost-of-living western country.
(DIR) Post #AlFpiFmvinynIBYW3c by WoodFren@nicecrew.digital
2024-08-23T03:10:01.409201Z
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Definitely true, particularly for more local shops. I did have a buddy that worked at IBM though, he was making well over six figures in the early 2000s doing project management. His job ended up getting outsourced to an Iraqi of all things managing a team of Indians.
(DIR) Post #AlFuHIDx3aJCnb9sRs by help_helper@poa.st
2024-08-23T10:22:47.543935Z
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@WoodFren @jb @NitroDubs @Patrick_Bateman it may be dependent on how customer-facing the role is. If it’s purely internal project management then that might be at risk of being outsourced. But if you work in a company that executes projects for customers/shareholders, especially if a lot of money is involved, those stakeholders simply do not want to feel like they’re dealing with an Indian call center.