Post AkfjD4GCwCFd9ARHBg by mike@flipboard.social
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(DIR) Post #AkXDdq2JBBet3IynRI by mike@flipboard.social
2024-08-01T20:57:40Z
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As we approach the U.S. election, misinformation and abuse are on the rise and more people are fleeing X in search of something safer and more trustworthy. This is an incredible opportunity for the #fediverse but only if we are able to maintain and expand the effectiveness of our #moderation as we scale.In this latest episode of Dot Social I go deep with two well known trust and safety experts who are advancing decentralized moderation for the fediverse: @samlai.bsky.social and @jaz. We discuss strengths and weaknesses today as well as what the future could hold.Check out the conversation on our PeerTube instance or wherever you get your podcasts.https://flipboard.video/w/tqZTbSmU8vhSo37Lbtg8zS
(DIR) Post #AkXEDbdsAq0cpobbHs by DiningCooking@flipboard.social
2024-08-01T21:04:04Z
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@mike @samlai.bsky.social @jaz :flipboard: :flipboard: :flipboard:
(DIR) Post #AkXN2wHXzgjZFa9RLc by BeAware@social.beaware.live
2024-08-01T22:43:00Z
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@mike can't wait to listen when I have time. I've been gravely concerned with the recent discussions not mentioning misinformation as a HUGE problem when discussing limiting replies.It's very concerning and reckless and my concerns have gone ignored. I hope you touch on it here.Always appreciate your opinions, Mike.
(DIR) Post #AkXnH6fglEiGKorLZw by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-08-02T03:36:56Z
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@mike @samlai.bsky.social @jaz will listen but so far I'm not sold on moderating for misinformation being a good idea. absolutely for harassment.
(DIR) Post #AkYCr8liwDsm7PxfAO by newsmast@newsmast.social
2024-08-02T08:23:34Z
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@mike @samlai.bsky.social @jaz Absolutely loved this! The work Jaz & IFTAS are doing across Fedi blows us away.
(DIR) Post #AkYpuemqFTlwVB9TjU by jejord@flipboard.social
2024-08-02T15:41:12Z
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@mike @samlai.bsky.social @jaz Great episode!
(DIR) Post #Akb3NGemjIY7mZHBlA by mike@flipboard.social
2024-08-03T17:21:26Z
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@BeAware yes it's super important we build in a way to protect people from bad actors who bomb their replies or quote post malevolently.
(DIR) Post #AkbAOOLmJJCXbzrwcS by BeAware@social.beaware.live
2024-08-03T18:40:06Z
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@mike definitely. Though, misinformation should be discussed as well. Especially in an election year. I haven't had the chance to listen yet. Will do tonight.🙏
(DIR) Post #AkcZMAVpTqVe7xZDN2 by NatureMC@mastodon.online
2024-08-04T10:54:32Z
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@mike I'll listen to it later. I noticed for some weeks that the number of #trolls and #disinformation grows on Mastodon. I never blocked so many.And before: reported them. Fortunately, thanks to real human #moderators, many of these accounts were suspended very quickly. Great work! It helps to report them before blocking.And donate some money to your #instance because this important work has to be paid. Mastodon depends on donations because it's ad-free!@samlai.bsky.social @jaz
(DIR) Post #AkfjD4GCwCFd9ARHBg by mike@flipboard.social
2024-08-05T23:29:07Z
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@wjmaggos @samlai.bsky.social @jaz what are your thoughts on why moderating misinformation might not be a good idea?
(DIR) Post #AkfmoXQtjoCWCUzwuG by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-08-06T00:09:29Z
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@mike1. adds a lot to admin workload2. inherently political and divisive3. makes choosing a server more difficult4. impossible to do well5. we are the open web, not an editorial pageI'm a dissident lefty. the culture here imo is very establishment left. Dem party basically. my hope here is to have the greatest public forum ever but we just had people very upset NYT was calling Biden too old post debate. if we were more diverse, bringing that up pre debate could easily get moderated away.
(DIR) Post #AkfoVyqRnPoDckE9nE by BeAware@social.beaware.live
2024-08-06T00:28:13Z
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@wjmaggos @mike I think a good idea would be the community notes feature that Twitter had, but I can see how it can be abused and I don't know if something like that would even theoretically be possible.
(DIR) Post #AkfokAHo3QypA8muyO by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-08-06T00:30:57Z
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@BeAware @mike my hope is that we could do that just by making all replies ranked ala reddit. the best responses would show up right underneath the OP. this might also fix the reply guy problem as the worst replies to the most popular accounts would be the least likely to be seen.
(DIR) Post #AkfospPV2XD51VW91E by BeAware@social.beaware.live
2024-08-06T00:32:27Z
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@wjmaggos @mike Well, this won't work when Mastodon adds the limiting replies feature which is what worries me regarding misinformation.However, it is a good idea, barring that feature.
(DIR) Post #Akg47nYnhOc8wSSqZM by jaz@mastodon.iftas.org
2024-08-06T03:23:12Z
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@wjmaggos @mike 1. admin & moderator workload is real. reducing harms to users is real.2. moderating false information which may mislead or increase likelihood of harm is not inherently divisive, and is sometimes required by law3. only for people who want to consume misinformation4. impossible to do perfectly, but certainly able to be done well 5. the server you administer publicly blocks 2 servers. this suggests you, along with most service providers, have applied editorial standards.
(DIR) Post #AkgwEOrZJffrtdq7sW by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-08-06T13:29:29Z
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@jaz @mike I'm not arguing for consuming misinfo. I block for harassment. And yes, misinfo can lead to real harm.But the way we best figure out what's true is dialogue and sharing good journalism/science. Not admins being referee. What I fear they will usually do is take the current consensus position, with a bias towards their user base. Alternative but sometimes correct views will struggle to find a place they can be posted that is well federated to go viral and correct misunderstanding.
(DIR) Post #Akh90ZgnZBKgp7XXSi by jaz@mastodon.iftas.org
2024-08-06T15:52:34Z
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@wjmaggos @mike >I fear they will take the current consensus positionSome will, some won't. Some will focus not only on misinformation and harassment, but also on the numerous other issues that also warrant intervention to reduce harm.Here's 34 of them: https://connect.iftas.org/library/iftas-documentation/shared-vocabulary-labels/You are free to operate your service exactly as you please. So is everyone else.1/2
(DIR) Post #AkhAHyTYlQu4ZgCyoK by Hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net
2024-08-06T16:07:17.899522Z
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@mike @wjmaggos @jazBecause no one knows the truth a priori. It's discovered through thought and discussion. And if you think you've discovered it all on your own and therefore have the "right" to force it on others, someone might still have an argument that you haven't thought of yet. The only field for which you could be 100% sure of something like that would be mathematics, and misinformation isn't a problem in mathematics.
(DIR) Post #AkhAKHi2E2Rynz53j6 by Hyolobrika@social.fbxl.net
2024-08-06T16:07:42.720519Z
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@mike @jaz @wjmaggos Also, supposedly misinformation isn't as big of a problem as it's made out to be:https://www.thestudiesshowpod.com/p/paid-only-episode-10-misinformation?triedRedirect=trueFull episode: https://macaw.me:5443/upload/cc753902b5eea4e35253dd140b84fecd17db45b5/AuKuPDsgE2JClu9qMSQ2da0hATSbtoVtf3f7D9TV/QF3L3naWRuageup2YaRIuw.mp3
(DIR) Post #AkhGTAIhjsoA9vqmKO by BeAware@social.beaware.live
2024-08-06T17:16:24Z
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@mike @samlai.bsky.social @jaz what a great talk.I am a little concerned regarding your discussion of the sharing of Moderation incidents. It seems like ya'll would like it to be "exclusive" for some reason. Though, I believe every admin should have the same tools available to them.If I don't know about an incident which might cause me to want to block an instance, I can't block them.Every admin should be able to share their experiences with each other easily enough so that we can all make informed decisions on what is best for our instances.I do agree that Fediblock is a shit show.It needs to be more evidence based. But the info should be available to all admins.I don't want to feel left out just because I'm on my own instance by myself. I need to moderate for myself and want to help other admins as well with my own experiences.
(DIR) Post #AkmPwRX8cLlfNiR8XQ by mike@flipboard.social
2024-08-09T04:56:08Z
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@BeAware @samlai.bsky.social @jaz Thanks! I don't think we want moderation to be exclusive. It's more about trying to establish a place where a) moderation professionals can collaborate and b) moderation decisions can be made in a way which don't invite abuse of the individuals making the decisions.I totally agree that moderation decisions should be evidence based and publicly available to other admins.
(DIR) Post #AkmQ5zZlPzclZIDaoy by jaz@mastodon.iftas.org
2024-08-06T15:53:22Z
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@wjmaggos @mike Fostering spaces where alternative viewpoints can be responsibly discussed and debated is important, but these spaces also need mechanisms to distinguish between genuinely insightful dissent and inauthentic behaviour that can lead to harm.
(DIR) Post #AkmQ60aVehoahtZhce by mike@flipboard.social
2024-08-09T04:57:54Z
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@jaz @wjmaggos Love this discussion. And thanks William for relaying your thoughts on this. I learned a bunch here.
(DIR) Post #AkmQ7H8ZbvPQK870Xw by BeAware@social.beaware.live
2024-08-09T04:58:01Z
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@mike @samlai.bsky.social @jaz Thanks for clarifying this, Mike.Much appreciated. Love the work everyone is doing, and can't wait to see where it leads.It's a bit of a worrisome, yet exciting time here on Fedi. I trust the leaders in this space will get it right eventually.