Post Akfd2xCri3neeHfaLI by mer@shrine.moe
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(DIR) Post #Akf1KYJ1ESY6NIVq1g by lycophidion@birds.town
2024-08-05T11:11:29Z
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Streetlights running all night makes leaves so tough that insects can't eat them, threatening the food chainhttps://phys.org/news/2024-08-streetlights-night-tough-insects-threatening.html#biodiversity #biodiversitydecline #plants #photosynthesis #lightpollution #anthropocene #urban #insects #insectextinction #evolution
(DIR) Post #Akf26aVkKuCn79N3JY by 7666@comp.lain.la
2024-08-05T15:25:52.293306Z
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@lycophidion these are the lights that help prevent me from running over the local drunkard in the street at 2am and/or make assholes think twice about breaking into my carthere are plenty of dark spots all over where bugs can go instead, if these super leaves are an issue then just chop the fuckin things down and plant them elsewhere
(DIR) Post #AkfYBamxvbNPxNr4z2 by lycophidion@birds.town
2024-08-05T21:23:27Z
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@7666 Yeah, motherfucker, you're the reason there's climate change, extinction crisis, etc. Why don't you just slit your own throat and not take the planet with you.
(DIR) Post #AkfYBbLLrkslg1wXa4 by 7666@comp.lain.la
2024-08-05T21:25:18.574653Z
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@lycophidion if you think streetlights are the reason for climate change then your corporate overlords have really done a fine job on your peanut sized brain
(DIR) Post #AkfYiN1m72bMpkPbBA by lycophidion@birds.town
2024-08-05T21:26:48Z
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@7666 No, your attitude is, asswipe.
(DIR) Post #AkfYiNqT4Z9RMy85C4 by 7666@comp.lain.la
2024-08-05T21:31:12.703190Z
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@lycophidion "this random guy on fedi who dared to question my claims is the root cause of all climate related issues because he was a little rude to me"🤡🤡🤡
(DIR) Post #AkfYkLPP6PzcOMPBwm by 0@pl.absolutelyproprietary.org
2024-08-05T21:31:54.700844Z
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@lycophidion @7666 There's an ice age coming, double nigger.
(DIR) Post #Akfd2xCri3neeHfaLI by mer@shrine.moe
2024-08-05T22:12:18.471022Z
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@7666 @lycophidion turn on your headlights moron
(DIR) Post #Akfdv1rAdXjwhyJ6XY by flisk@fops.cloud
2024-08-05T22:10:00.628963Z
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@7666 you didn't read the article did you
(DIR) Post #Akfdv33y9RZWRxIq80 by 7666@comp.lain.la
2024-08-05T22:29:26.355902Z
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@flisk "For both species of tree, higher levels of artificial light meant tougher leaves. The tougher the leaf, the less evidence of insect herbivory. The more intense the light, the more frequently scientists encountered leaves that showed no signs at all of herbivory."underlying mechanism already existed and is not a mutation caused by humans, meaning it is reversible - how you reverse it is up to debate but "muh streetlights" ain't it
(DIR) Post #Akfdxty4QJ1X6uu80W by 7666@comp.lain.la
2024-08-05T22:30:16.173369Z
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@mer @lycophidion roger that boss
(DIR) Post #AkfhqItqF8vnw2YiFU by flisk@fops.cloud
2024-08-05T22:52:23.542327Z
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@7666 what exactly do you mean by "muh streetlights" and when did anyone suggest anything actionable? from my POV you're just yelling at someone for sharing an article on some ongoing research. what genuinely was the point of your first response? are you trying to say there's no possible way to address this so you might as well stop researching it?
(DIR) Post #AkfhqJitBLlSUMRToe by 7666@comp.lain.la
2024-08-05T23:13:25.826039Z
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@flisk i will refrain from "missing the forest for the trees" puns but this diverse array of hashtags (a calling card for the quick to anger and slow to understand kind) and the fervor of OP strongly suggests the grand implication that no streetlights = problem solvedwith the utilitarian value of streetlights ignored completely it sure does make a case for their removal, yet the article would suggest a much broader scope of general light pollution from urban areas which can be generated by anything - it's just that the eye grabbing headline says "streetlights" (since that's what they exclusively used for their testing) so that's what i focused on too in my defense of the humble streetlightanyway his responses after the fact escalating streetlights into climate change led to exactly the expected response from a virtue signalling mastodon whore rather than any sort of discourse around ideas that allows bugs and streetlights to coexist which would be the most likely outcome of any research (e.g. replant the trees. or directional lighting. maybe the trees prefer different colors? idk. not my department - good for the next phase of research though!)i'll leave you with '"Our study was conducted in only one city and involved just two tree species," cautioned Zhang."'
(DIR) Post #AkfkfSKD9xFhqPPbSS by flisk@fops.cloud
2024-08-05T23:30:12.405473Z
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@7666 i'm a bit slow on the uptake right now so: could you explain to me where exactly this person made the explicit claim that street lights should be abolished? because all i can see is you assuming that this is what they meant, serving them up a plate full of snark about it, and then getting called an asshole over it, which, like, does that outcome surprise you?
(DIR) Post #AkfkfT0Od6zpxF9IDA by 7666@comp.lain.la
2024-08-05T23:45:05.076724Z
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@flisk explicit? no, they did not explicitly make that claim. i'd even go as far as to grant that it's not the fault of the OP that the headline suggested streetlights were the sole cause of this phenomenon simply because the testing was limited to that source and the article latched onto it.however, it's disingenuous to assume that doing something about streetlights was *not* the intent of the article itself via a preponderance of the evidence here, and I remain vindicated by the nuclear response of OP that their intent was likely also such. I think the research here is sound, if extremely preliminary, but the circus it has generated/will generate around it is certainly notas for the utility value of streetlights which thus far has been completely ignored by both the article and him, i direct you to justification for the crime portion of my original reply from an old friend ten years ago, photonicinduction: https://www.kentonline.co.uk/gravesend/news/engineer-andys-bright-idea-to-15218/aside: i knew I was kicking a hornets nest via the palestinian flag in their avatar but man.
(DIR) Post #AkflMZ2E5W7F6gYU1w by flisk@fops.cloud
2024-08-05T23:50:37.723776Z
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@7666 idk man from where i'm sitting it just seems like you dunked on someone you find contemptible and now you're declaring victory over a debate that never happened but honestly i should have stopped caring about this conversation like three replies ago
(DIR) Post #AkflMZryz5W3hClohc by 7666@comp.lain.la
2024-08-05T23:52:55.646788Z
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@flisk i didn't find them contemptible in my initial reply, all i said was "hey maybe those streetlights are still kinda useful despite the findings" and wam bam here we areit is a bit silly and i hope he finds this entire chain and does a fediblock post about me so i can get some mileage out of this
(DIR) Post #Akfm1qRuFOAczNFcps by susie@blob.cat
2024-08-06T00:00:45.187105Z
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@7666 @flisk Streetlights are mandatory, because if there is no other light pollution around them you can't see shit without streetlights. It isn't just crime either, it is making sure you won't get lost, stumble and fall or get in to an accident with bicycles. Trust me, running through blacked out jogging paths is dangerous without full moon. (And yes, not to mention rape happening mostly in poorly lit places and robberies also tending to happen in isolated and darker locations).Streetlights aren't even that bright (at least here in Finland). The biggest and useless light pollution are huge ad screens and other logos and signs. Those are blasting at max brightness to try to grab your attention even after the store/office has closed. Without advertising like that the next would be headlights on busy streets (very rare here to be busy streets like that at night apart from the absolute center of the capital, I imagine it is much more common in the USA).So to combat light pollution first there needs to be a movement to ban illuminated signs and advertisement at night. Streetlights are the absolutely last thing to focus on. That's like saying "to save electricity, make sure to turn off those pesky 6W led lamps while watching the HDR movies in your home theater". Technically correct that it does "something", but the effect is negligible and causing more discomfort.