Post AkWYDVziyWLZFD6Hui by q_observations@mstdn.social
(DIR) More posts by q_observations@mstdn.social
(DIR) Post #AkWUJ4WFdoc7x4i0eG by stux@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T12:29:12Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
What I see a lot these days are parents who give their kid an iPad or something and let them use it without restrictions, just to keep them busyAnd when something bad happens they often blame the company/app where it happenedOnline child safety starts with parents and not companies I guess
(DIR) Post #AkWUjJyWnYy3PvS46i by notmybackdoorbug@mastodon.social
2024-08-01T12:32:58Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Yes.I just got a new nephew two months ago and I already started to say this to my brother and his girlfriend.Don't let him become a iPad kid please.
(DIR) Post #AkWUrJCpXhWpLcwyci by stux@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T12:34:34Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
And I'm not saying companies/apps should'nt do whatever it takes to keep it safe, ofc they should do thatAlso I'm not a parent so it's easy for me to say! But I do notice this a lot with the kids from the neighbours for exampleAnd yes, there are other ways! I also had to grow up without an iPad and yet I did gain some tech knowledge
(DIR) Post #AkWV3P8VJthlDOh70S by stux@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T12:36:21Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@notmybackdoorbug Good thing! 💪 I can image it must be sooo hard these days.. also with other kids around themtry to explain that to a child
(DIR) Post #AkWVAiwq3g8GggjCr2 by compi@inu.cafe
2024-08-01T12:37:58Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux I doubt I'll ever get some retirement money with this generation.
(DIR) Post #AkWVBqc1354KkNWZ7I by mbrailer@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T12:38:13Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux This is not unlike the concerns about television that arose when that medium was new. TV was often nicknamed the "electronic babysitter."But the online/social aspects of the Internet add an extra layer of risk for young people that TV doesn't have.
(DIR) Post #AkWVLkAxpkG3gHadCC by Dseitz@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T12:41:21Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Yeah. I'm not saying sites and apps have no obligations but there is a burden on the user as well.
(DIR) Post #AkWVNelutdvjV3moAy by stux@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T12:41:42Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
And while I'm at it... :flan_laugh: Let's talk "solutions"!- Try to monitor the internet traffic of your child- Setup rules to block certain sites- A little more extreme but for kids perhaps a good thing: keyloggerThere is a lot of software to do this, a good example I've used in the past was a self-hosted "AdGuard" (https://adguard.com)This basically acts as a VPN where you can easily setup block rules etc.AdGuard is also supported on @yunohost https://github.com/AdguardTeam
(DIR) Post #AkWWK5VXeQYTDQzO9Q by crichardson@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T12:52:13Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux@yunohost pro: kid finds a workaround or tamper methodcon: kids now being pulled towards IT.
(DIR) Post #AkWWS90IXKecNKDUrw by stux@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T12:53:43Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@crichardson @yunohost The second should also be a pro right? :ablobgrin: I guess job security
(DIR) Post #AkWWkPdnQ2rbBdP1ay by Libby_@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T12:56:59Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux @yunohost As a student, I did an end of year paper on children and violence on television. The conclusion of most studies was that the attitude and guidance of the parents were key to how children deal with the images they see. I guess the same goes for what they find/see on the net today. 35 years ago, computers weren't exactly as common a household presence yet. I'm sure by now there have been some studies into that as well, it wouldn't surprise me if they showed similar results.
(DIR) Post #AkWWlAxbUDdNwg20Ui by notmybackdoorbug@mastodon.social
2024-08-01T12:56:48Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux @crichardson @yunohost this is how I got in it.Me in 2010: why can't I run this programInternet: admin rightsMe: okay then. It's hacker time!I eventually managed to get a admin account on my pc and removed my parents spyware. O lord Win XP was insecure.
(DIR) Post #AkWWm4QZGETzyR0PmC by crichardson@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T12:57:11Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stuxIts the typical self-deprecating IT humor - served boiled, bland, and without seasoning.Counterpoint: I interviewed for an internal systems engineer job yesterday and im stoked at the possibility. 🙂@yunohost
(DIR) Post #AkWWqyuXCP5KJPMdgu by stux@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T12:58:01Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@crichardson Ohhh! :clapping: congratz mate! Let's hope you'll get it
(DIR) Post #AkWWu8ixAcHTcFS9qq by crichardson@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T12:58:45Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stuxThank you bro
(DIR) Post #AkWWvHNSU0H2k8wUhk by stux@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T12:58:58Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@notmybackdoorbug @crichardson @yunohost Yup..When i was young i had a WYSIWYG Habbo fan site that i accidentally turned into HTMLSo i had to learn HTML and wooohhh..! That opened one massive door to heaven
(DIR) Post #AkWXTcEtQRR9I6JDQu by crichardson@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T13:05:12Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stuxLikehabbo hotel?😄@notmybackdoorbug
(DIR) Post #AkWXZB3pO4ZwjgmkaG by stux@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T13:06:12Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@crichardson @notmybackdoorbug Hahaha yeah!When i first learned about the whole dev world i soon setup private Habbo, RuneScape and WoW servers :flan_laugh: I often had fights with my dad because i wanted to port forward but he was so against that..
(DIR) Post #AkWXbkWMWAsXIEMHdQ by stux@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T13:06:39Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@crichardson @notmybackdoorbug You know how many kids get a lock on the cookie jar?I got a lock on the router closet :nkoFacepalm2:
(DIR) Post #AkWXjsvHAEH7fRtIRM by crichardson@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T13:08:08Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux@notmybackdoorbug I was on runescape and cokemusic lol
(DIR) Post #AkWXnI9lnmF2nVILpI by stux@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T13:08:44Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@crichardson Good 'ol days!Sometimes i still do play OSRS (OldSkool RuneScape)
(DIR) Post #AkWY1tafQ8UYwzq6tc by crichardson@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T13:11:22Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stuxGood memories but Blizzard North was the greatest dev shop of all time
(DIR) Post #AkWYCPJsJ6T0FizuF6 by stux@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T13:13:17Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@crichardson I remember being at our local game shop at 00:00 when Wrath of the Lich King released with some buddies :ablobgrin: Some people ran out the store when they got their copy, it was amazing!I do miss this though
(DIR) Post #AkWYDVziyWLZFD6Hui by q_observations@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T13:13:26Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux totally agree on the parents as guides but I’m less in favour of all-out traffic monitoring. With young kids: filtering age, guard rails. As they grow in their teens, I learned communication is key. Discuss what measures you would like to implement and what they entail. Help them deal with stuff that isn’t for them and that they will encounter, whatever measures are in place. But also learn them they have a right to privacy and experimentation. And that the balance with safety is hard.
(DIR) Post #AkWYKCmGp1Adfezu3k by stux@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T13:14:36Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@q_observations But to do that you have to know what they're doing online 😉 And often they are not gonna tell you :sad_cat: But yeah, basically there is no solution only tools to keep it somewhat in track i guess
(DIR) Post #AkWYQZ5ilypyc5804u by notmybackdoorbug@mastodon.social
2024-08-01T13:13:50Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@crichardson @stux Personally wasn't a big gamer since I had a bad internet connection and underpowered PC.However: I did make countless of websites and did play Habbo hotel.
(DIR) Post #AkWYQZZqxwwM7XE42q by stux@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T13:15:50Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@notmybackdoorbug @crichardson Oh the same! Always crappy computers but i did make it work :flan_laugh: Only recently ive seen WoW on full resolution and woah! In my 10 years gameplay often just on "low"
(DIR) Post #AkWYRIsAYhKUbN8pLE by ILC_Entertainment@mastodon.social
2024-08-01T13:14:49Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux I get your suggestion. I have to echo the sentiment that it is not as affective because, most kids can get their hands on technology that the older generations could only dream of (And made the dream come true for the younger generation).
(DIR) Post #AkWYVsR2HSNC3SdATg by stux@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T13:16:47Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@ILC_Entertainment It's not a solution 😉 i dont think there is one.. but a uh... tool to help with it at least
(DIR) Post #AkWYdnExTjSKGBkxJw by crichardson@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T13:18:13Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stuxSlaps my old emachines PCThis bad boy has a soundblaster.@notmybackdoorbug
(DIR) Post #AkWYpRYluaIwUiZyRU by q_observations@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T13:20:19Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Some things they will tell, some they won’t. But that goes for other aspects of their life as well. Finding the right balance between control and safety and letting them make their own mistakes but making sure there’s a safety net is really hard. And as you say, tools help.
(DIR) Post #AkWYyX0v0GLO134tyi by stux@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T13:21:55Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@q_observations For sure! The issue with keeping them from the "wild west web" is that at some point they will go in without filters and then...If it where up to me, it would be taught in school at least to some degree. But often the teachters also have no clue
(DIR) Post #AkWbPHf8O3k68DlzDE by q_observations@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T13:49:15Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Yeah the without filters is scary. You try to teach them as much safety guards as possible but you never know. And I totally agree, just like traffic education, financial and health literacy, this should be part of school curriculum. But they’ll indeed need to educate the teachers first. The things I’ve seen at schools (the same office365 password for all students of a year, having students set up MFA themselves at home, but disallowing mobile phones in class which have the totp app).
(DIR) Post #AkWeBI3IRPQr9H5rPM by ostrich@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T14:20:16Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux One of the worst parts is that the company is actually to blame for having specifically designed their app to be habit-forming, but the dynamic is like unto the parent giving their child a habit-forming thing to occupy them because they're too busy, and childcare is too expensive, and the outdoors too car-centric and dangerous, for an alternative.
(DIR) Post #AkWqqriRwp0f53vx0C by comrad@mastodon.social
2024-08-01T16:41:09Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@stux Tools are not the solution. Parents have to know what their kids do, stay in contact and don't use the device as babysitter.I don't restrict my children, but they have a strong sense what they can and should do on the Internet. We talked a lot about what they do and where and with who they should have contact, private and public profiles and talking to strangers. I will not pull a Von Der Leyen and do pseudo security.
(DIR) Post #AkWr8UbUcJt0c05KPA by stux@mstdn.social
2024-08-01T16:45:29Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@comrad Well the thing is, there is no solution only "bandages" I guessI would also not restrict my kids acess but also explain (i also love that btw) but not every parent can do this unfortSo in that case perhaps some monitoring would be an option, not a solutionBut i totally agree, I am much more for informing ❤️ If it where up to me teachers would be schooled and it would be more thaught on school.Instead of the "Word, Exel & PP" lessons I got :flan_laugh: