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(DIR) Post #AkGfYq6uyCdkreDnuq by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-24T21:20:24Z
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How can the fediverse get some of these little buttons on various platforms with the cute little logos? I remember there was a logo for a bit. A fediverse logo not just the Mastodon one. Would it be possible to create a 501c3 dedicated to promoting independent social media? No rule making, no software, just soft power, branding and schmoozing.
(DIR) Post #AkGfq4n1e8uRJW8VpA by doctormo@floss.social
2024-07-24T21:23:27Z
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@futurebird It would have to be done with the web browsers I think, a standard which allows a url type line social://mywebsite.com/my/blog/ could be opened then by mastodon or any other thing the user has registered as their social acocunt. Or if it's clever enough, present an option for which social to go to. Allowing more buy in from even those bastards shown above.
(DIR) Post #AkGi48VynFTapTzlgG by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-24T21:48:28Z
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Sometimes I think about what the fediverse is doing and it's total madness. We are trying to compete with huge private companies with ad budgets, and designers who get paid in cash money in a "market" that's run by private companies and media that can only comprehend social media as a business not a protocol. There is a lot of grousing about "well why did we get left out?" and "why are people still on X?"There are many reasons but being functionally invisible is one of them.
(DIR) Post #AkGiIPClXKxUeAoQ6K by promovicz@chaos.social
2024-07-24T21:50:59Z
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@futurebird I like to think that „there are many things that happen only at the fringes“.
(DIR) Post #AkGjYTISBvLrvOhIvY by NorCal_Lynne@mstdn.social
2024-07-24T22:05:04Z
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@futurebird A major factor is there are no ads here, raising $ for such things requires people to put money into the Fediverse, and it’s hard enough for some admins just to cover monthly costs. People are used to not paying for their social media. I think we should be talking more about contributing money if one’s able, maybe then we can have more features. Just my opinion.
(DIR) Post #AkGk1FNn0BdpAYukvQ by SRLevine@urbanists.social
2024-07-24T22:10:19Z
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@futurebird Do you mean this one?
(DIR) Post #AkGl07rNaNktVDmg0e by chillicampari@layer8.space
2024-07-24T22:21:15Z
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@futurebird yep, it's weird for me to even think in that framing still. For a long time it had always been small groups of people in small projects (some evolved into others along the way) with people joining and leaving at different times but it was never "big". Until it had be. Or at least scale up suddenly. Here's a pic I found from five years ago at the first ActivityPub conference in Prague. This wasn't a side room for a talk in a larger conference- this was it. I'm in the last row.
(DIR) Post #AkGlFSR1N4jrerlYSO by CuriousMagpie@mastodon.social
2024-07-24T22:24:05Z
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@futurebird I’ve been popping on to bluesky from time to time and their vibe is angrier and snarkier and bitter. Here, people are often, justifiably, angry from time to time but it’s not the overall vibe. There are people, mostly writers, who I like to keep track of on bsky for new work but I often feel icky when I close the app.Fedi is my social media home.
(DIR) Post #AkGlk3xuOlD4kCk6aW by funkula@goblin.camp
2024-07-24T22:29:32Z
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@futurebird I believe thinking of it as competition with megaplatforms is the wrong way to approach it. There are as many reasons to be on here as there are people on here, but for me and most of the people I hang out with it's a refuge from the idea that every internet user should be in one big heap. Not being visible to fascists looking for targets and tech companies looking for data to steal and monetize is a big part of the appeal.
(DIR) Post #AkGr5qiwoFAdoox7js by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-24T23:29:34Z
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@CuriousMagpie We indoctrinate them into the radical kindness culture as they arrive. Some people like to argue a little. I used to like getting into it when I was younger, but I'm at the point where I flat out ask people if they are learning anything, or having any fun, and if no one is doing either I fall silent.
(DIR) Post #AkGrAkL1ykffSg6JfM by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-24T23:30:25Z
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@smitten @SRLevine Granted there isn't really a "logo" for email. I mean @ to some degree. Or an envelope, which is very quaint.
(DIR) Post #AkGrDedhciYkeiDllA by stefan@stefanbohacek.online
2024-07-24T23:30:42Z
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@futurebird Yeah, GitHub now lets you add a dedicated Mastodon link to your account (which should really be a fediverse link, but only Mastodon is recognized).We just have to keep asking other companies to do the same.
(DIR) Post #AkGs0P5AFk96b0JN7g by xris@ecoevo.social
2024-07-24T23:39:50Z
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@futurebird @smitten @SRLevine Like a rotary phone for "Make a call" or dial clock for "Clock".
(DIR) Post #AkGsf1AC5UJwHm1wY4 by lawrencium265@mastodon.social
2024-07-24T23:47:08Z
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@futurebird I personally don't care for the term fediverse as it makes me think "fetishverse"
(DIR) Post #AkGsi4EJ8wuafGPOhU by admin@mastodon.slightlycyberpunk.com
2024-07-24T23:47:39Z
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@futurebird the people in marketing are too invested in corporate capitalism and the artists don't get paid enough to work for free on the side so all we've got are coders!
(DIR) Post #AkGtFRdh81aAp9CO1I by TerryHancock@realsocial.life
2024-07-24T23:53:34Z
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@futurebird The artwork itself is readily available from Wikimedia Commons.The trick is getting platforms to either offer a Fediverse button option (piecemeal lobbying of platforms) or (better, IMHO) a generic graphical-link option.For Wordpress, I suppressed the hard-coded social buttons, and created a custom menu for social links. But that is kind of "hacky" -- it requires some HTML knowledge.https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fediverse_logo_proposal.svg
(DIR) Post #AkGtLdLYVtEss5fK3k by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-24T23:54:52Z
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@fivetonsflax @regehr It's like the old campus net. With all the baggage that comes with that. And thing is you can make your own little world here with ease. Growing the space need not mean it's totally different.
(DIR) Post #AkGtPC1K3PMvHKtmhk by shlee@aus.social
2024-07-24T23:55:30Z
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@futurebird unrelated: apparently that guy was charged with human tracking?
(DIR) Post #AkGta4MuqL7WjUBXw8 by regehr@mastodon.social
2024-07-24T23:53:52Z
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@fivetonsflax @futurebird I'm certain that one reason I have such fond memories of USENET is I was young and stupid then
(DIR) Post #AkGta5FVZMmzSnj91s by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-24T23:57:29Z
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@regehr @fivetonsflax I remember getting home from high school and waiting with excitement for the modem sounds to stop so I could keep arguing about Objectivism and Art on there in like 13 paragraph long posts about Damien Hirst and "philosophy"God how awful.Was that really a golden age? I really doubt it.
(DIR) Post #AkGtfvEzh1TKA2GqUC by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-24T23:58:17Z
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@regehr @fivetonsflax The conversations about machine poetry were kinda fun though...
(DIR) Post #AkGtiTm6GdpnqSyW1Y by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-24T23:59:00Z
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@shlee I have not heard anything about that. Where did you hear this?
(DIR) Post #AkGtzZW8ActUZtejIW by shlee@aus.social
2024-07-25T00:02:00Z
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@futurebird https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2007/December/07_crm_967.html
(DIR) Post #AkGuj1ji6EA983gMhU by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-25T00:10:20Z
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@shlee Frankly I find it much more distasteful that he was in the US military once. He's also been to prison. IDK. I will not hire him to babysit I suppose. His channel is still very good.
(DIR) Post #AkGw73c0sPNJqp6XFQ by Lyle@cville.online
2024-07-25T00:25:29Z
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@futurebird definitely possible to make one but much easier and simpler to partner with an existing org that has already done all of the homework and has a compatible mission. IEEE jumps to mind, I did some work with them on green computing standards a while back, though I doubt anyone remembers me now
(DIR) Post #AkGxDaJ8KPxEwhwxEG by mattmcirvin@mathstodon.xyz
2024-07-25T00:38:12Z
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@futurebird @regehr @fivetonsflax I remember it as a whiter, maler, more exclusively techie environment than the modern Internet.There was some tunnel vision that came from that, and also a far greater tolerance for some ugly stuff that would get you booted from most instances here. The norms of tolerance and civility included just letting a lot of that pass.There was *no* real moderation mechanism--there were "moderated newsgroups", but they worked through moderators getting posts via email and manually inserting them into the feed if they passed muster. The system was completely insecure--forging moderation was trivial--and it couldn't possibly scale, so moderated newsgroups tended to be low-volume, and everything else was completely open. When spam started to appear, it was nearly impossible to control.So client-side filtering was what we relied on. Newsreaders had incredibly sophisticated "killfile" and "scorefile" systems built in, just to handle the torrent of garbage.But... I *loved* the way some of them handled threading. trn's thread navigation display was a thing of beauty.
(DIR) Post #AkGxyuXmuL0ZJnN5Pc by regehr@mastodon.social
2024-07-25T00:46:46Z
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@futurebird @fivetonsflax ok fine it wasn't
(DIR) Post #AkGzr4RmP7VLcjwyw4 by CuriousMagpie@mastodon.social
2024-07-25T01:07:45Z
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@futurebird I like that approach. I’m glad I tend to observe before interacting - I came from twitter with some angry, confrontational habits.Now I can learn about ants and birds and smile at good dogs and meet awesome chill folks.
(DIR) Post #AkH0CiCbn2lJ0JAobY by lispi314@udongein.xyz
2024-07-25T00:55:29.011024Z
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@ireneista @futurebird Those buttons should mostly only ever be to the instance of the given post though.Simply because anything else would be brittle and harder to archive.And well, getting them would be pretty trivial for anything one posts on a personal site. Literally just <a href="$somePostURL"><img src="$someImageSourceURL" alt="Fediverse source logo"/><a/>.On corposcum malware platforms of course that's not going to be an option and they've already demonstrated they're willing to actively filter and censor those who try.
(DIR) Post #AkH0Cj4qXO9BiWY892 by dalias@hachyderm.io
2024-07-25T01:11:22Z
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@lispi314 @ireneista @futurebird If the purpose is to share on fedi though, that's not useful. What's actually needed is a workflow that lets the user open their own instance's view of the thing to be shared so they can boost it, or their instance's post UI with a link prepared to share. Doing that in a way that's security-preserving and privacy-preserving is not particularly easy, so this is actually an interesting, nontrivial problem.
(DIR) Post #AkH0ftwZDPOtohaYtM by dalias@hachyderm.io
2024-07-25T01:16:39Z
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@lispi314 @ireneista @futurebird At present I'm not sure if there's any approach that doesn't involve trusting some third-party site to at least know/remember which fedi instance(s) you use and not to track where you're arriving to share stuff from and what you share.A better approach might be for Mastodon and friends to register a fedi: URL scheme or something with the browser whereby your instance would actually get to open the link (and your browser would prompt if more than one).
(DIR) Post #AkH1jzFhWI4VOT3C1Q by yamainu@ohai.social
2024-07-25T01:28:53Z
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@futurebird I just saw another wonderful voice is leaving Masto because, in addition to all the reasons we love it, there’s hella nasty racism. I’ve seen this happen more than once. In addition to building forward, how do deal with good folks getting harrassed away? (I think this is Masto-specific but honestly don’t know if it’s Fedi-pervasive).
(DIR) Post #AkH2XVxoghV52JIm0W by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-25T01:37:45Z
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@yamainu This issue can only be addressed by being less ... esoteric. Or at least having non-esoteric ways for people to participate. That would mean building something and investing in the usability and ease of use issues that don't matter to the current userbase who are all probably sending their posts out via a telnet window or something on a graphing calculator or god knows what.
(DIR) Post #AkH2ljXP16RNBnj8Hw by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-25T01:40:27Z
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@yamainu This takes effort and there are a portion of people who actively don't want it to happen. I think the best thing that we can hope for is if bluesky or threads *really* federates in the proper sense (and not just one way, and not with us needing to use some strange proxy to pass message between the spaces)But there is no incentive for them to do that AND even more people don't like it because the owners are unsavory (fair point TBH)
(DIR) Post #AkH3crejZ1XfiQUV2O by ramsey@phpc.social
2024-07-25T01:50:01Z
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@futurebird @blogdiva The best growth sometimes happens slowly.
(DIR) Post #AkH6zQZshq2CFyfiFM by ton@social.coop
2024-07-25T02:27:39Z
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@futurebird Just an image. I get your main point is much larger. Access, usability, culture, safety, etc.
(DIR) Post #AkH7N2WHnx2eamFVtg by becomingwisest@hachyderm.io
2024-07-25T02:32:00Z
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@futurebird l gre up in a privileged family. Two voice lines, two data. I had a webpage with tags to reload itself. I’d stay connected to AOL for days. Just to be online at home sooner.
(DIR) Post #AkHDce3r6lh55rm93o by lufthans@mastodon.social
2024-07-25T03:42:01Z
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@futurebird there's a font set ( or something ) you can include on your site that has various Fediverse logos.Someone pointed me at it a year or so ago
(DIR) Post #AkHHcf4ZkM0w31NLXs by david42@mastodon.online
2024-07-25T04:26:51Z
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@futurebird there's considerable prior art here. A quick search turns up:* An addition for this to Hugo MemEhttps://palant.info/2023/10/19/implementing-a-share-on-mastodon-button-for-a-blog/* A variety of solutions using local storage such as https://dev.to/codepo8/adding-a-share-to-mastodon-link-to-any-web-site-485m* Well known redirectors with minimal state such as https://mastodonshare.com/* A variety of extensions such as https://github.com/corbindavenport/share-to-mastodon
(DIR) Post #AkHdlFMOudCftqDDAe by lispi314@udongein.xyz
2024-07-25T01:23:18.141122Z
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@gemlog @futurebird @ireneista I don't think that's quite the issue in this case.The problem @dalias refers to is purely web browsing user-agents acting like spyware/malware and sharing information they don't need to. It's entirely a fixable problem.
(DIR) Post #AkHdlGXQX7cLYKNWzo by dalias@hachyderm.io
2024-07-25T01:27:00Z
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@lispi314 @ireneista @futurebird @gemlog Yep. The problem is that, with fedi being decentralized and federated, you can't just make a link to "share on fedi". Without a custom URI type, it has to be a link to some particular third-party site that would mediate redirection to your chosen instance(s), but that would then be in a lucrative position to snoop on what you're sharing and do all the usual nefarious surveillance tech shit fedizens vehemently object to.
(DIR) Post #AkHdlHbiYedyrvOTK4 by lispi314@udongein.xyz
2024-07-25T01:37:50.358382Z
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@dalias @gemlog @futurebird @ireneista Either the FEP URI or direct linking to the source should be prioritized/targeted, I think.
(DIR) Post #AkHdlIR7TXlDRLRWRU by dalias@hachyderm.io
2024-07-25T02:20:05Z
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@lispi314 @ireneista @futurebird @gemlog You are ALREADY AT the source/direct link. You're missing the whole point, that this is a widget, on the source, to make an easy workflow for boosting it as your identity on your fedi instance.
(DIR) Post #AkHdlJXBOUCkqRHsX2 by lispi314@udongein.xyz
2024-07-25T02:25:06.410765Z
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@dalias @gemlog @futurebird @ireneista Ah. Yes. I see.Well, the generator idea I suggested earlier could be applied there or an equivalent by one's user-agent if one desires to generate a reference for external use.As for boosting it... that means one's user-agent is probably already open to view it (or soon will be), so why not boost from there?
(DIR) Post #AkHdlKjyuO2KaQHc7U by dalias@hachyderm.io
2024-07-25T02:29:38Z
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@lispi314 @ireneista @futurebird @gemlog Ok, here is the user story:I'm browsing a site, reading news article, whatever, and there are share widgets for legcy social media. I'm nontechnical, not adept c&p'ing a URL, but want to share on Mastodon instead of FB/deadbird/whatever.There should be a "share on fedi" button that pops up an interface to my instance with the post loaded and ready for my to boost/like, or a direct prompt "boost this?" or similar.
(DIR) Post #AkHdlLbVhMr3GRKMYS by kritischelezer@mastodon.social
2024-07-25T06:06:07Z
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@dalias @lispi314 @ireneista @futurebird @gemlog from a user-perspective, I want an add-on for my browser, that inserts a 'share on Fediverse'- button between the other buttons for sharing, where, during setup, I select my preferred server (or it gets that info from stored cookies) and the rest of the proces is the same as opening my mastodon/whatever page and making a new post with that link. How hard can it be?
(DIR) Post #AkHlwiroLa5oEPt3my by llewelly@sauropods.win
2024-07-25T10:06:35Z
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@futurebird @regehr @fivetonsflax I read some books on objectivism in the late 1980s, when I knew the internet existed, but didn't have any access to it. When I went to college, it was clear the combination of two jobs totalling about 60 hours a week and 18 credit hours of classes meant I had to avoid weird interests like that. I didn't try debating objectivism online until a few years after college, few years, when a videogame company I'd been working for went under.
(DIR) Post #AkI1H4g4Sp7gypYfui by Tarheel@theatl.social
2024-07-25T12:57:59Z
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@futurebird to me, being functionally invisible is Mastodon's best feature.
(DIR) Post #AkKtf086o8P7fNS0Dg by xilebo@norden.social
2024-07-26T22:17:10Z
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@futurebirdFor an implementation of a fediverse share button, that can be inserted in any Website, look here: https://github.com/Uden-AI/fediverse-shareThe problem is, convincing website owners to add it.