Post AkEHARxILAz3mYdcDQ by lufthans@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AkDm3OeV7s84vp0Jdo by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-23T11:49:00Z
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Stephen Colbert took a dig at the Whitehouse for posting the letter about Biden stepping out of the race on X as if it's a respectable official channel of communication. I want to commend this mention in public media of the CHOICES everyone makes about what social media they use. He did NOT say "why didn't they use the fediverse?" But ... we will get there! Someday!This is the neutral ground. This is the real public internet.
(DIR) Post #AkDmQ9iWouk5GujxJY by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-23T11:53:08Z
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I think most of the people being critical of this choice imagine that either not using social media (just fax the letter to the press) or using ... threads? or bluesky? is the answer. But if we can get people to THINK about this for more than two seconds it will become obvious that no private company should be the "official channel" there should be an instance for the whitehouse. Obviously!
(DIR) Post #AkDmsT7iGIg5ZF1Liy by norbipeti@toot.norbipeti.eu
2024-07-23T11:58:13Z
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@futurebird the EU realized this (well, I know the Comission runs an instance at least)
(DIR) Post #AkDnVhfU7QkByFWf0i by Azuaron@hachyderm.io
2024-07-23T12:05:18Z
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@futurebird I think the potential problem with this is that they wouldn't be allowed to moderate it because of the First Amendment. If they had an account on a "respectable" social media service, they could at least rely on that service to perform basic moderation. But if they ran their own service, they wouldn't be allowed to moderate it. They wouldn't even be allowed to defederate the Nazi instances.
(DIR) Post #AkDnZRmF8w05qOTKkq by StarkRG@myside-yourside.net
2024-07-23T12:05:48Z
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@futurebird Yes, that is extremely obvious. Is someone suggesting it shouldn't be?
(DIR) Post #AkDntfCSwkUFGZNT5U by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2024-07-23T12:09:37Z
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@futurebird IMO, official communications from the president should be posted somewhere on whitehouse.gov, and the press can easily monitor that. Links can of course also be posted to official accounts on social media.In this particular case, the letter ought to have been posted on an official party website rather than that of the White House since the matter does not (directly) relate to the current presidency.
(DIR) Post #AkDo3jWDkF3hYXQ3Vo by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-23T12:11:28Z
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@Azuaron The only people who could post from the server would work for them so no issue there. I don't really see how this is an issue.
(DIR) Post #AkDoLTmD0pRrwfMM9Q by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-23T12:14:38Z
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@n1ckfg Basically. Trump has an intuitive understanding of the importance of controlling your platform so he made TruthSocial. This is one of the smart things about having that platform. Why would anyone let their opposition have control of distributing their messages? It's obvious madness. But you can't federate with them. They are walled off from the public social internet where we are now.
(DIR) Post #AkDowSRwuMheXqW3Q8 by kim@fedi.social
2024-07-23T12:18:18.036Z
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@futurebird@sauropods.win Why social media at all? We used to have these things called 'websites'...
(DIR) Post #AkDowTRHELl9c3D20m by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-23T12:21:12Z
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@kim I like social media. It can be a great way to interact with people directly. It can be dangerous if those using it don't understand it well enough. So, another solution is to do as you suggest and go retro, and not try to reach out through new media. That would also be better than posting important exclusives on X.Posting on X first *is* an "exclusive" and it's clear some people don't get this! It's doing X a favor and raising its stature!
(DIR) Post #AkDp7BixQyRJrAaWky by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-23T12:23:19Z
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@kim It's like they don't see "social media" as a real thing, or they think of it as a neutral space, a neutral technology... not, like all media, a source of power. Imagine if they sent that letter to ABC news and ONLY ABC news? This would be rightly seen as a snub to other networks. Well, posting it on X first is the same damn thing only you just gave it all away to ELON. WTF.
(DIR) Post #AkDpYxpuf7BYtP5Ofg by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-23T12:28:19Z
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@mansr I think that is reasonable. But, I also think social media should be a part of government communications. It just needs to be done correctly. https://sauropods.win/@futurebird/112835773879423143
(DIR) Post #AkDpkkROIAuwp2EdRA by kynyc@mas.to
2024-07-23T12:30:28Z
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@futurebird X got Super Bowl levels of engagement from that decision. Just another L decision from the Biden team. Also both of the live A/V feeds from KH have also looked terrible/glitchy/bad lower thirds. Why can any 24yo streamer on twitch or YouTube manage better than a team who's going to spend ~1B.
(DIR) Post #AkDppmKmgD1A8tXlSK by kim@fedi.social
2024-07-23T12:30:48.867Z
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@futurebird@sauropods.win I think you're right. They probably see posting on their $social_network account as like posting something on their official website or calling a press conference - a reasonably neutral act of disseminating information. (Presumably they see the different social media as primarily a UI or software preference, rather than a different social space with demographics and power structures)Seems likely they're working under the assumption that X = Twitter = where all the journalists are, and disregarding the implications of that choice.
(DIR) Post #AkDpxThHr7RWeojyFs by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2024-07-23T12:32:45Z
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@futurebird Well, it's not like the President is reading the replies, so it's never doing to be particularly social. Of course, allowing direct access to the posts via ActivityPub would make it easier for others to talk *about* them, but people need to be clear that it's a one-way channel as far the official source is concerned.
(DIR) Post #AkDq2t4aw68co7Doau by hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com
2024-07-23T12:24:12Z
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@futurebird I believe @Azuaron is right saying a government-controlled Fediverse server wouldn’t be able to defederate with any server or block any remote account because it would be in the context of state action. I’m basing myself on route-fifty.com/digital-govern…I still think the server could moderate its own users, but they wouldn’t be able to stem an expected tide of vile comments on any single post.
(DIR) Post #AkDq2twThlEvVEQqa8 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-23T12:33:39Z
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@hypolite @Azuaron They could just turn off comments. Not ideal but if it's that draconian (I really don't buy that it is, this is like saying you can't have a city hall council meeting with rules. No you can. You can even kick people out for being jerks.)
(DIR) Post #AkDq9UtREcpRqF9h7w by Azuaron@hachyderm.io
2024-07-23T12:34:55Z
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@futurebird @hypolite Can you turn off comments? I thought this was still an open request: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/8565
(DIR) Post #AkDqNKGnWpjEwrfx1E by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-23T12:37:25Z
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@Azuaron @hypolite I mean you can't prevent people from doing whatever on their own servers. But you can control what will be seen when they request the post on your server?Hmmm.
(DIR) Post #AkDsA3HXZuNyP9oymG by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-23T12:57:26Z
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@n1ckfg Yeah... but "hub and spoke strategy" is from an era when internet services were newer and had not started flexing their muscles and cashing in on the tremendous power they have as consolidators and brokers of information. The opportunities to manipulate, advertise, extort, and generally be horrible are endless!
(DIR) Post #AkEGgNKWyMQ6kYAL0S by bedirthan@dice.camp
2024-07-23T17:32:10Z
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@futurebird Biden did post to Threads, which 9 of the 10 largest Masto instances interact with
(DIR) Post #AkEGyMxl4pJOp65uS0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-07-23T17:35:27Z
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@bedirthan Did he post the letter there at the same time?
(DIR) Post #AkEH2Oz9V0yMFofYKe by bedirthan@dice.camp
2024-07-23T17:36:10Z
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@futurebird i think it was 2 minutes separation
(DIR) Post #AkEH4oHkPDNdIdW0VE by simon_brooke@mastodon.scot
2024-07-23T17:26:51Z
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@norbipeti @futurebird Indeed. It's here:https://ec.social-network.europa.eu/public/localThere are a number of other 'official' government #Mastodon instances, mainly in northern European countries.
(DIR) Post #AkEHARxILAz3mYdcDQ by lufthans@mastodon.social
2024-07-23T17:30:56Z
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@futurebird @kim they might think they need to post there first to get the word out as much as they can before Elon notices and interferes
(DIR) Post #AkEHjbqxX5EYcCRL04 by MylesRyden@social.vivaldi.net
2024-07-23T17:43:58Z
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@futurebird My small contribution to this is to use the shopping mall analogy.Some people (including the designers of the mall concept) said that the mall was the "new public square," because "everyone" could go there. But it just wasn't true. The mall was private property and reserved the right to encourage or suppress activities there.Xhitter, Facebook, etc. are "malls." Sure "everyone" can use them, but in the end they are private property under the control of their owners.Someone who wants to communicate with the public should either use a true public square. Or at the very least use a method of communication that they own.In a wonderful way, the Fediverse is both. They can own their own server(s) and communicate freely with others.
(DIR) Post #AkEKJ0ahkXXNNjqPGi by GustavinoBevilacqua@mastodon.cisti.org
2024-07-23T18:12:36Z
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@futurebird I suggest every political person I meet (and I meet many of them) to come here in the Fediverse, choose a fancy alias like "ruffledcat" or "corvettelover" (this one is easy to guess who is) and interact like a normal person, to have the real pulse of the situation beyond official reports.In The 1001 Nights the Caliph resorted often to this stratagem.I'm sure whoever would argue more freely with "corvettelover" than with "POTUS".
(DIR) Post #AkEp05jZV7okPSS2qW by PJ_Evans@mas.to
2024-07-23T23:56:43Z
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@futurebird @n1ckfg He may have that understanding, but he can't make it work.