Post Ak7q2O1FEE4nXwelFY by floooh@mastodon.gamedev.place
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(DIR) Post #Ak4sDv2qOeI3as9TDE by wolfpld@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-07-18T20:56:50Z
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The ability to set application icons in the KDE Wayland session is planned for 6.2. Well, I guess I'll have to wait a bit before I can implement Doom in the application icon.https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kwin/-/merge_requests/5680
(DIR) Post #Ak4sDwFHvrq3JkyvFQ by aras@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-07-19T04:43:25Z
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@wolfpld wait, wayland, after like 300 years of being in development, still did not have app icons?!
(DIR) Post #Ak7eMX4i4NX1yU7KNs by floooh@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-07-19T09:39:53Z
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@aras @wolfpld I have a feeling that at the point when Wayland can be considered feature-complete, it will be the same "mess" as X11, expect that it will have taken 3x more time to get to that point ;)
(DIR) Post #Ak7eMYBpvMpJQsSX8C by slembcke@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-07-20T05:01:18Z
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@floooh @aras @wolfpld (/me shrug) I personally have been using it uneventfully for 3 or 4 years now? I believe people when they say it doesn’t work for them yet, but at some point are they upset it doesn’t fulfill the same role that Windows 7 or Classic MacOS… Sure you’ll still have people for whom that fulfills a need, but maybe one where they are simply unwilling to adapt to the technology that is available *now*. “I don’t care if it runs X or Y, all my data is still in Lotus 123 for DOS” -_-
(DIR) Post #Ak7eMZL5eRp4zrnRC4 by floooh@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-07-20T10:34:05Z
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@slembcke @aras @wolfpld I run my Linux laptop too on KDE+Wayland, and it is indeed "uneventful" from a user perspective. But the programming model of Wayland is a mess when coming from X11. Expected features are missing or only exist in extensions implemented by KDE but not Gnome..., XWayland has some dusty corners that behave differently than native X11. Wayland made the Linux desktop fragmentation worse, when reducing fragmentation is very much needed.
(DIR) Post #Ak7q2JczYSIdvZHKtM by dotstdy@mastodon.social
2024-07-20T10:46:01Z
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@slembcke @floooh @aras @wolfpld things like the app icon being broken are annoying if you care about quality, but they're not really load bearing and many people are willing to overlook the broken. however if you have a high dpi monitor the wayland experience is just broken on gnome. or if you want to play elden ring. or if you have a high refresh rate mouse. or if you want to use an app that utilizes dear imgui docking. or if you care about input latency / memory use / keeping your gpu fed.
(DIR) Post #Ak7q2KyIYiwA5wFrk0 by dotstdy@mastodon.social
2024-07-20T10:49:22Z
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@slembcke @floooh @aras @wolfpld there is a pretty big group of Weird Enthusiasts whose main complaint is some appeal to history and want to talk about how X11 was the ultimate API and the unix philosophy. it's safe to ignore those people. however if i were to give you a laptop with a high dpi panel and tell you to install and launch vscode... you would not be able to get it working properly without setting custom environment variables on any current wayland linux desktop. so that's bad.
(DIR) Post #Ak7q2M2aaFxnPXGo4G by floooh@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-07-20T13:08:39Z
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@dotstdy @slembcke @aras @wolfpld IMHO the problem is that Wayland isn't actually a replacement for X11. If the Wayland project would be a collection of subprojects with the goal to build a modern X11 successor there would be no confusion.But instead they just carved out a very small feature area from X11 and then for some reason spent 3x the time on that than it took to write entire X11 implementations in the 80's and 90's (that's the bizarre part).
(DIR) Post #Ak7q2O1FEE4nXwelFY by floooh@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-07-20T13:12:34Z
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@dotstdy @slembcke @aras @wolfpld I think one very important thing that's missing is a standardized (and centralized!) window system layer that sits between Wayland and widget frameworks like GTK and KDE. If an application doesn't chose to use GTK or KDE (because that application doesn't need a widget UI) it's a pain in the ass and XWayland suddenly looks pretty good as that missing window system layer API.