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(DIR) Post #Ajb8aCZifdDGEF8Bcm by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-04T20:27:47Z
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Question for Anarchists: What is your strategy for achieving a revolution against the capitalist state and ensuring its overthrow without a centralized vanguard party?
(DIR) Post #Ajb97rniPnT1e0jKgi by nottrobin@union.place
2024-07-04T20:33:52Z
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@Radical_EgoCom it seems implied in this question that if you don't have a revolutionary plan ready, you're not an anarchist. Oh well
(DIR) Post #Ajb9PXl7fWcKhLwjoG by esquirolet@mastodon.social
2024-07-04T20:37:03Z
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@Radical_EgoCom doing activism (in my case, housing rights). As a lawyer, I take some cases for free
(DIR) Post #Ajb9bSIzlsDdG7TD4C by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-04T20:39:12Z
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@gabrilend I don't think the DSA should be the centralized vanguard party. There are too many reformist elements within the DSA for it to be reliable as a foreseer and guide for a proletarian revolution. The DSA are fixated on reforming capitalism out of existence, which is not compatible with a revolutionary overthrow of capitalism, which is what a vanguard party would be in charge of.
(DIR) Post #Ajb9kYN4aWbEg5iQj2 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-04T20:40:48Z
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@nottrobin That's not the implication. It's simply a question to anarchists as to how they plan to overthrow capitalism without a vanguard party, if they have one.
(DIR) Post #Ajb9uyWeCY6GgrACKu by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-04T20:42:38Z
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@esquirolet Activism for housing rights is good, but I fail to see how doing that would ensure the overthrow of capitalism. It seems more like a reform attempt within capitalism rather than anything having to do with its overthrow.
(DIR) Post #AjbAEHz4514GXcfIJc by Winstonwells@mastodon.social
2024-07-04T20:46:11Z
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@Radical_EgoCom I mean, I'm not convinced it would work but something like an international "brotherhood" (secret/covert movement) infiltrating trades unions, neighborhood watches, football clubs, etc all primed and ready to rise up as one at a given signal
(DIR) Post #AjbAj6coMVkYHzx0RU by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-04T20:51:47Z
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@Winstonwells That sounds very much like a Vanguard Party, and if they're all able to rise up at once, then there would have to be some level of centralization to ensure that they're all on the same page ideologically, tactically, and strategically.
(DIR) Post #AjbDoOYHRB87CP2qxc by peterkal@mastodon.social
2024-07-04T21:26:21Z
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@Radical_EgoCom Without trying to offend anyone but I think many don't really dislike a Vanguard party, they just have been told different and false things about what an Vanguard party is.
(DIR) Post #AjbJlQGfCVvxNQlr2e by aumalatj@mementomori.social
2024-07-04T22:33:00Z
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@Radical_EgoCom The global capitalist system doesn't need to be overthrown, because at some point it will inevitably fall by itself. Its unsustainability is a known fact. IMO the more important question to focus on is how to cultivate the resilience to not let it drag us down with it. As the old systems start to slowly decay and crumble, local networks of mutual aid will grow to fill in the gaps out of necessity. I hope that at some point such local and communal solutions will overtake capitalist states as people witness the old systems failing to protect them.Now, an argument could be made that we can't afford to wait around for things to get that bad. I'm much too pessimistic to think that any large scale revolution could be achieved before the masses start to lose their bread and circuses. Things will have to get worse before they get better, but they're already slowly getting worse and will continue to do so for a long time. May we live in interesting times.
(DIR) Post #AjbL99PHdnuPzIgHsu by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-04T22:48:32Z
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@aumalatj That's false. Capitalism will not fall by itself. Capitalism has ways of self-sustaining itself and prolonging its existence. When capitalism is in decay, fascism arises to maintain capitalism's existence through force, specifically by smashing proletarian movements that would otherwise push for the abolition of capitalism and the creation of socialism. If we just wait around for capitalism to die on its own, fascism will arise and destroy any chance of it dying.
(DIR) Post #AjbLKbZnFQBYXV3hq4 by nottrobin@union.place
2024-07-04T22:50:36Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @aumalatj I would say fascism will destroy capitalism. Capitalism will die, but what replaces it will be worse.
(DIR) Post #AjbM0CNvIc5SZWL8tM by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-04T22:58:09Z
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@nottrobin @aumalatj That's an incorrect assessment of the nature of fascism. Fascism does not destroy capitalism. Capitalism existed in some form in all of the previous fascist states of the past. Capitalism didn't die under fascism. It was allowed to survive and evade the brewing proletarian led abolition of capitalism due to the authoritarian force of fascism stomping out all proletarian movements and workers' rights.
(DIR) Post #AjbMav1enqEJRqR0oS by aumalatj@mementomori.social
2024-07-04T23:04:46Z
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@Radical_EgoCom Fascism is just capitalism in decay, ergo a more extreme, totalitarian form of late stage capitalism. As such it will continue be unsustainable and therefore it can't be sustained. Widespread fascism is most certainly to be expected, we're seing it creeping in already. Yet I stand by what I said. All the resources the system pours into enforcing itself through violence will be off the plates of ordinary people, who will then increasingly seek alternatives.
(DIR) Post #AjbMvPm0C5ugbLsxN2 by wilbr@glitch.social
2024-07-04T23:08:25Z
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@Radical_EgoCom making ourselves ungovernable in a thousand different ways. Centralized efforts to overthrow and socialize will also have single points of failure and advance singularly powerful people who will inevitably be singularly corrupt due to the nature of power, whereas a balkanized/indigenized continent will be harder to govern and more naturally address the needs of its people.Given climate collapse this may happen anyway, and indeed has been previewed with state cannabis legality
(DIR) Post #AjbMzRiQujbVmg8dW4 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-04T23:09:08Z
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@aumalatj You're claim that fascism, being capitalism in decay, will destroy itself is untrue. Tell me, is Germany still capitalist? What about Italy or Spain? Yes? But they were fascist countries, so by your logic, capitalism shouldn't exist in those countries. Fascism is unstable, but when it inevitably fails, it doesn't result in the abolition of capitalism. It results in the restoration of the old, or very similar, capitalist order, which is literally the whole point of fascism.
(DIR) Post #AjbNVfoC3JO8l8CRt2 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-04T23:15:03Z
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@wilbr A centralized effort is necessary, though. The tasks that have to be followed out during a revolution must be done with all of the revolutionaries united ideologically, strategically, and tactically. A centralized effort would ensure this unity, as it would allow everyone to be united by ideology, tactics, and strategy by having them all be united under a centralized vanguard that embodies all of these traits.
(DIR) Post #AjbNtJV4e7AMWMWscK by aumalatj@mementomori.social
2024-07-04T23:19:17Z
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@Radical_EgoCom I'm not talking about the stability of a political system in and of itself. I'm talking about sustainability in the context of a global climate crisis, soil degradation, overfishing, global biodiversity loss etc. etc. In a word, polycrisis. Switching between unsustainable capitalism and unsustainable fascism won't change the fact the underlying capitalist mode of production is unsustainable and thus by definition has to end at some point, willingly or not.
(DIR) Post #AjbOIZgDcwZRwPmtP6 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-04T23:23:53Z
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@aumalatj Still, your claim that capitalism will abolish itself isn't true. Capitalism is inherently unsustainable and will inevitably end, but if there's no working-class movement to actually abolish capitalism when it's weak, then capitalism will just continue to sustain itself through its various tactics of prolonging its survival, such as fascism. Ultimately, capitalism will have to be forcefully overthrow by the proletariat because it's not going to die by itself.
(DIR) Post #AjbPK7P5pPx0mG4qie by wilbr@glitch.social
2024-07-04T23:35:20Z
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@Radical_EgoCom maybe, but that presumes that we all agree as to the tasks that need to be carried out.A power vacuum is surely dangerous, but consider futile efforts to control splintered bands with divided loyalties like middle eastern "warlords." America is already almost fifty countries (with even more micro-nations within, indigenous and otherwise) so it's barely a union. We're also seeing armed governor and Fed clashes.I don't dream of a nuclear United Socialist States of America.
(DIR) Post #AjbPgpADoGfErrwr1E by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-04T23:39:27Z
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@wilbr Regardless of your rather valid criticisms of American governance, a centralized effort of some kind is still necessary for a successful revolution for the reasons I listed above.
(DIR) Post #AjbQUdDAWTrCHF4oKm by wilbr@glitch.social
2024-07-04T23:48:27Z
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@Radical_EgoCom some cooperation certainly, but to me centralized sounds like one party for the entire country to 1:1 replace the existing national government. And that's what has me questioning its corruptibility, inherent authoritarianism (and associated violence/injustice), and inherent Euro-centric-colonial ideals.
(DIR) Post #AjbROkndUtBk1ntYgK by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-04T23:58:37Z
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@wilbr A single vanguard party to lead a country on a revolutionary path isn't a bad thing. Such a vanguard party provides many benefits to a revolution, such as having the ability to unite the masses without having counter-revolutionary forces sway people off the revolutionary path. There is a possibility of corruption, but the best thing to do would be to eliminate corruption and its possibility from the party instead of abandoning the party centralization and all of its benefits.
(DIR) Post #AjbSCUVAMmsBxayM3k by aumalatj@mementomori.social
2024-07-05T00:07:34Z
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@Radical_EgoCom I think abandonment is more accurate than abolition to describe what I'm thinking of.Economy exists within ecology. Historically, when capitalism has ceased to benefit the commoner, fascism has swooped in. Tyranny requires constant effort. My hope is that at some point in the future the ecological and environmental stresses applied on the economic system will force the state to spread its resources so thin that cracks open for communal solutions to grow in. Solutions that meet the needs of the people better than the increasingly strained state struggling to maintain control at the larger scale.Sure, that could result in a collection of syndicates forming an armed opposition against the state, but that may not be necessary. If the state is so strained that it can't take care of its citizens, at some point it would just become irrelevant in the shadow of the communal networks.
(DIR) Post #AjbSq0Js0DaHw2Wvb6 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T00:14:45Z
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@aumalatj Your "solution" for getting rid of capitalism isn't a solution at all. It amounts to waiting for capitalism to mess up the environment and society to a severe degree and then hoping that it just dissolves by itself. Any solution that relies on hope doesn't have the assurance necessary for me or many other rational people to take it seriously.
(DIR) Post #AjbU2sc83wNvkum3Wq by wilbr@glitch.social
2024-07-05T00:28:15Z
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@Radical_EgoCom ah yes, just eliminate corruption among a small extremely powerful cabal of people organizing an overthrow of a huge country without themselves getting assassinated (yet somehow remaining accountable to The People) it's such a good thing that the country is already so experienced at accomplishing that and not defaulting to fascism, self-serving greed, and "might makes right"If that was more likely than distributed horizontal resistance I think we'd have fixed society already
(DIR) Post #AjbVTykdS7SAYxEqi8 by aumalatj@mementomori.social
2024-07-05T00:44:11Z
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@Radical_EgoCom Is it in your opinion unsustainable? If yes, then it will end. There's no way around that. And there's no need to wait for anything to join a local anarchist group. Plenty already exist.One could argue that fantasizing about a socialist revolution like it's the early 1900's is more far fetched. The concessions made to the workers and the huge gains in living standards since then have pretty much defused the threat of that happening in any large enough scale in the developed world. Or IDK maybe in the US workers have it bad enough, but there's other problems to deal with over there. For example that a considerable portion of the population has been programmed to violently resist any such movements by the red scare and all. In the rest of the developed world one would have to wait until capitalism messes up society so badly that the common worker is convinced about the need for a communist revolution. (If you look at the polls, they're currently voting the polar opposite of that.) But that would necessitate *waiting around for capitalism to mess up the environment and society to a severe degree.*Yes, my solution relies on hope. I don't think a solution exists that doesn't.
(DIR) Post #AjbWZVp01bmoWyTxJY by wilbr@glitch.social
2024-07-05T00:34:10Z
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@Radical_EgoCom one thing capitalism and fascism have going for it (besides their ultimate undoing) is that they basically ask everyone to be selfish cutthroats and whoever wins "deserves" to win. That sucks but it scales. We've seen how empires don't scale and how power corrupts so IMO the next best thing is to ask everyone to make the most moral choices they can in their own spheres of influence which are kept small: attempting to exert control (vs liberation and cooperation) is in itself evil
(DIR) Post #AjbWZWcd35U90thafg by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T00:56:34Z
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@wilbr A centralized state is far more effective of an option for a post-revolutionary period than immediately transitioning to decentralized, non-hierarchical statelessness. A centralized state can effectively deal with counter-revolution and enemy countries due to all power being centralized on it, whereas a decentralized non-state system would not have the control over all means and resources necessary to make quick decisions or fully eliminate counter-revolution.
(DIR) Post #AjbXjakaecf2fRn2OW by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T01:09:36Z
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@aumalatj Revolution is still possible despite the living standards of workers increasing and constant anti-revolutionary propaganda. Despite the living standard growing for workers, workers still face many of the same problems of wealth inequality, poverty, unemployment, etc, and there is the ever growing wage disparity that only gets bigger and bigger each year. The living standards may have gotten better, but the workers are still suffering, and as long as they are, they will have an...
(DIR) Post #AjbXnAGT4OTTgJP7GS by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T01:10:16Z
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@aumalatj ...incentive to engage in the proletarian revolution. As for the propaganda against the proletarian movement, it may be numerous, but the way to combat propaganda of lies is with propaganda of truth, of the experiences and struggles of the working class and the necessity of revolution against capitalism. There is more propaganda against workers than for them, but that can change as workers organize, network, and gain more avenues of propagating their ideas and, in turn, more support.
(DIR) Post #AjbY2YB8RN3iC2FKOu by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T01:13:00Z
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@Bl4ckst4r @aumalatj What people want doesn't change what has to happen in order for a proletarian revolution to be successful. People may not want to live in a vanguard one-party state, but that doesn't make it any less necessary.
(DIR) Post #AjbfzAcoM4iduK5gpc by wilbr@glitch.social
2024-07-05T02:42:03Z
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@Radical_EgoCom maybe, I just haven't seen centralized governments transition to things that actually respect autonomy (the power is too tempting, the time is never right) and I think we have different ideas about what form revolution might take. Super successful long-lasting "revolutions" can be like the "industrial revolution" or the halting chaotic global transition away from monarchy, where an idea's time has simply come. Violent central revolts can be co-opted and repressed too. No masters.
(DIR) Post #AjbhzUTQl3ArNKz2Lg by wilbr@glitch.social
2024-07-05T02:46:14Z
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@Radical_EgoCom specifically, once you have a handful of people with the means and responsibility to decide who needs to die and who doesn't, it's historically really really hard to make that choice in a way that doesn't inspire its own very righteous backlash and taints any moral claims the new powers might make. The paranoid surveillance, secret police, loyalty demands, and suppression of any information the party doesn't like makes it hard to claim that the result is actually "by the people"
(DIR) Post #AjbhzVPZGtg8HeBSy0 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T03:04:30Z
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@wilbr 1/2 I know that hierarchy and authority can lead to abuses of power, and such abuses should be avoided at all cost, but the potential for hierarchy and authority to be corrupted doesn't mean that some form of hierarchy and authority won't be necessary during a revolutionary period, particularly after the fall of capitalism. I still say that hierarchy and authority will be necessary during the transition from capitalism to communism because of the effectiveness of having a centralized...
(DIR) Post #Ajbi18QngLg1aiXNPU by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T03:04:49Z
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@wilbr 2/2 ...state would have in that necessary work be done and threats can be immediately eliminated, all things a centralized state can do specifically because of the control it would have over society. I know that such a system could still be corrupted, but given the benefits it provides, it would be better to try and prevent corruption from occurring within the state instead of getting rid of it.
(DIR) Post #AjbjPLp3e3zC1lzinA by whitemt@library.love
2024-07-05T03:20:22Z
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@Radical_EgoCom right now for me its shifting culture, developing ways of loving and supporting each other that allow us to have what we need outside of state systems. undermining global systems thru the development of local, sustainable ones. I respect the concept (and often the implementation) of the vanguard party, but at the same time i worry we don't approach the destruction of capitalism with enough of a plan for how our relations with one another/earth change before and after collapse
(DIR) Post #AjbjnlMMLmceBCDBFw by wilbr@glitch.social
2024-07-05T03:24:48Z
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@Radical_EgoCom you keep using hand wavy words like necessary, effective, control, and benefits, that don't really assuage the concerns of someone who really doesn't like abuses of power especially at the hands of The People's Police and The People's Army (very likely to be the same people, more or less, that currently impose on the populace just with new leadership [we hope] and branding.) Necessary for who and for what? Benefiting who? A bureaucracy needs bureaucrats, and guess who that is?
(DIR) Post #AjblMenKqmSFuO22me by wilbr@glitch.social
2024-07-05T03:31:07Z
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@Radical_EgoCom in the end, you're basically proposing a relatively short and bloody revolution where 99% of the country's population remains the leaders get swapped out and you cross your fingers that popular ideas or re-education are enough. But change that comes quickly can be undone quickly, and the American populace is much less receptive to centralized authority then they are to individual freedom.
(DIR) Post #AjblMflFG2NQuC3tAG by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T03:42:20Z
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@wilbr You've completely mischaracterized my position and strawmanned it to ridiculous degrees. Please argue against what I say I support instead of making up things that I support that makes me look like some deranged maniac who put no planning into my ideas when I've spent the last couple of comments throughly explain the logic and reasoning behind what I believe. I've been respectful to you and only argued against what you've said, and I only ask that you do the same.
(DIR) Post #AjblSOEZKsAqHeVJ1E by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T03:43:22Z
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@wilbr As for your first comment, it's clear who would benefit from a vanguard party that is aligned with Marxist-Leninist ideology, that being the proletariat, the class that would be the ruling class of this new society. I agree that I may not have alleviated the concerns some may have of abuses of power, but that's because I wasn't trying to. I was trying to explain why, despite the potential of abuses of power, hierarchy and authority will be necessary after the abolition of capitalism.
(DIR) Post #AjbyInv2He5oS77vxQ by wilbr@glitch.social
2024-07-05T06:07:16Z
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@Radical_EgoCom you haven't actually said much though. Partly due to character limits, but you haven't really explained, moreso asserted circular reasoning that central dictatorial authority is good because it's necessary, and won't be abused because of reasons. So far it seems about as much of a fantasy as a joyful grassroots anarchist revolution sans guillotines. Yes you can ally with China, roll tanks into DC and institute a new order, but I'm unsure it would be better for average Americans.
(DIR) Post #Ajc6vsFytAG0pi45JI by zleap@qoto.org
2024-07-05T07:43:58Z
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@Radical_EgoCom I will try and promote the Fediverse more, once people join their experience has to be positive
(DIR) Post #Ajc77wiY85Ye8vBSgi by trashpanda@nerdculture.de
2024-07-05T07:46:10Z
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@Radical_EgoCom i think that the Revolution is a pretty slow process. Rather Transformation then over throwing. More 200 years then 1 year. More Rojava then North Korea. And for now: there is No right Life in the wrong one. But kicking neo-nazis and other conspiracy ghouls in the butt (literally and metaphorically) is Always a good idea. And: maybe we don't win, but it is not Just about winning at all costs. It is Standing for something worth winning for.
(DIR) Post #AjcL6h0gRWF6Umxjeq by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T10:22:49Z
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@wilbr 1/3 You're wrong. I've said plenty. My character limit hasn't limited me in any significant way because I've constantly sent multiple comments to single responses and you know that. I haven't engaged in any circular reasoning. The premise of my argument was not used to prove my argument, which is what a circular argument is. Nothing that I've talked about has been remotely fantastical. My argument has consistently maintained a logically cohesive structure. I'm not going to tolerate...
(DIR) Post #AjcL9CpP7Budkysvjc by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T10:23:15Z
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@wilbr 2/3 ...you constantly insulting me. First you essentially accused me of supporting a bloody and illogical revolution when everything I've said prior indicated the opposite, and now you're saying that my argument in favor of a vanguard state that I've presented logical argumentation for is equivalent to the, seemingly, completely illogical position of specific anarchist who idealisticly want to rush into their desired goal with no cohesive plan.
(DIR) Post #AjcL9xsu9zdhhRstDU by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T10:23:25Z
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@wilbr 3/3 I'm not continuing this conversation until you give a proper apology to me for your constant insults
(DIR) Post #AjcLsgPLz6fYWoNwe0 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T10:31:28Z
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@gabrilend A better idea would be to create a revolutionary vanguard party from the ground up that actually embodies the principles indicative of revolutionary success, i.e., free of any reformist elements. Doing this would allow for the vanguard party to avoid the pitfalls of reformism that destroy revolution, that being how reformism causes people to not want to go far enough in abolishing capitalism, which only causes them to reinforce capitalism instead of abolishing it.
(DIR) Post #AjcMd07b1QxOzQAJhQ by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T10:39:53Z
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@trashpanda 1/2 Revolution is a slow process. It is transformation, but overthrowing the current order and establishing a new one is a part of that transformation. It absolutely is about winning. Capitalism subjegates us and destroys the environment. If we don't win, then at best we stay subjected and suffer for the rest of our lives, and at worst we all die as a result of climate change. Also, communists are indeed much closer than most in succeeding in revolution. They're some of the only...
(DIR) Post #AjcMedqQolpkTiv36e by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T10:40:05Z
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@trashpanda 2/2 ...ones that have formulated methods of overthrowing capitalism that have been effective at achieving this goal and many others in the past, and even though it hasn't been completely perfect, they still come much closer to the goal of a revolutionary overthrow of capitalism than many with the same desire.
(DIR) Post #AjcUdiFtjU2fVAtnCC by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T12:09:38Z
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@JacobVardy Vanguard party leadership is necessary. The revolutionary masses need to be guided on the right path because if they aren't, then they may fall for reformism or revisionism, defeating the revolution before it even starts.
(DIR) Post #AjcUyyPiqp27hJdFUe by meowski
2024-07-05T12:13:31.814483Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @trashpanda the mindset of cancer
(DIR) Post #AjcZDk8gbdpLaMxgps by trashpanda@nerdculture.de
2024-07-05T13:00:46Z
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@Radical_EgoCom i totally agree that there should be a Desperate need to overcome capitalism. there is No Future with capitalism and the immanent destabilization of society through extrem diversion of class. and we have No Time to descend into the complete Madness of resulting nationalism and fascism cause they make Common solution to the questions of climate Change and disarmament Impossible. 1/2
(DIR) Post #AjcbRtRyz3R4QUrXX6 by trashpanda@nerdculture.de
2024-07-05T13:12:29Z
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@Radical_EgoCom 2/2 and yes communism left it's imprint in History. and yes, it was capable of massiv Change. but it never build a sustainable and Open society yet. It tries to outsource a lot of Problems into a imaginary Future, where everything is magically better through communism. so Utopia comes First and the people then have to fit that standard. The Utopia has to fit the people and Not the other way around. That needs time. It's easy to start a wildfire, it is difficult to Put it Out.
(DIR) Post #AjcbRuFc0X8OuQ5AtE by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T13:25:55Z
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@trashpanda 1/3 Communism, specifically Marxism-Leninism, is not utopian. There are other versions of communism that are utopian, but ML has a plan for the transformation of society from capitalism to socialism and eventually communism that is based on the real material conditions of society, the trajectory society is clearly going, and how humans will react to the changes ML proposes. This plan is to create a vanguard party that will lead, organize, and educate the working class, continue...
(DIR) Post #AjcbTme5FrdPtuQM8e by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T13:26:16Z
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@trashpanda 2/3 ...doing this until dual power has been achieved, use said power to overthrow the capitalist state, establish a socialist transition state that will repress counter-revolution, organize society, nationalize industries, etc, and continue doing this until the state inevitably becomes unnecessary due to the contradictions and class conflict in society being eliminated due to the work of the socialist state, in which case the state will eventually cease to be needed and will be...
(DIR) Post #AjcbUk5mEXqMGspnzk by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T13:26:28Z
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@trashpanda 3/3 ...done away with, resulting in a communist society. There isn't a single thing in that plan that is utopian.
(DIR) Post #AjceLu1IFkl2JlDJy4 by trashpanda@nerdculture.de
2024-07-05T13:58:27Z
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@Radical_EgoCom reality disagrees. all of this is an Utopia and a thought Experiment. It could Work. And i Hope something like it will, but i Hope for something less authoritarian. And for me utopia is Not a curse word. It is: Something better is possible! For me it Starts with the people in my House, then the people in my street, then my neighborhood. Many who tried to politically unite a diverse neighborhood will realize, that there is No Chance to do it with a centralized one Party concept.
(DIR) Post #AjcfKYs7Ul8kOQqbKK by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T14:09:14Z
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@trashpanda You've asserted several things, that the Marxist-Leninist plan for achieving communism is utopian (idealistic and fanciful, which ML isn't for the reason I already mentioned previously) and that politically organizing a neighborhood is impossible to do with a one-party centralized concept, but you didn't provide any logical argument or evidence that proves either to be true.
(DIR) Post #AjclbAKWasV4vSQz32 by trashpanda@nerdculture.de
2024-07-05T15:19:40Z
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@Radical_EgoCom ok, the word Utopia seems to bei big Problem for. I think you think i mean Impossible, but i mean it more as in Not proven yet, but a possiblity of being a good Thing. and my Point is, that they has to be a time of try and Error, where many people in an organized space have the Feeling of inclusion and experiencing their voices asbheared
(DIR) Post #Ajd22IBN6bC6Mg6sCG by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T18:23:44Z
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@gabrilend It's not a good idea to have any kind of reformism within a vanguard party at all. Having even a small element of reformism allows for that reformist tendency to spread throughout the rest of the party until the entire party becomes reformist and thereby becomes completely ineffective as an agent of revolution. It'll become yet another institution that supports the capitalist status quo. A vanguard party has to be completely dedicated to revolution to be successful.
(DIR) Post #Ajd5buYqhq2dOMldNg by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T19:03:53Z
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@mortentorten What is the strategy behind that?
(DIR) Post #Ajd7UkowipAx420mBs by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T19:25:02Z
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@mortentorten What are the details of this strategy? I'm definitely not against workers occupying companies or general strikes, but in order for either of those to be successful, there needs to be a detailed strategy behind them to ensure that they're successful. Otherwise, the workers would just be going in blind and will fail.
(DIR) Post #AjdGDuReaKYTZt9w4O by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T21:02:50Z
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@mortentorten 1/2 If the idea of anarchism is to not have a strict plan for every difficulty it could face, then it doesn't sound like anarchism is a very practical method for revolutionary change. A strict plan to follow for a revolution is necessary. The lack of a strict plan will cause the revolutionaries to be clueless on how to deal with unexpected problems that will arise during revolution, and it will cause them to have...
(DIR) Post #AjdGF5s5aU4nJ15ZuS by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T21:03:01Z
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@mortentorten 2/2 ...difficulty being on the same page strategically and tactically, which will make it less likely for them to be able to beat the organized armies of states.
(DIR) Post #AjdMLbBIgs7lsFYmOG by zillion@freeradical.zone
2024-07-05T22:11:25Z
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@Radical_EgoCom I don't have a good answer, but I'd like to know what your strategy is for preventing a vanguard party from becoming autocratic and refusing to subordinate itself to the proletariat? After all, we've seen that happen before.
(DIR) Post #AjdNBt0ldy2SEPZ94i by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T22:20:54Z
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@zillion A few things that I can think of that can prevent a vanguard party from becoming autocratic and self-serving are regular elections and strict term limits for politicians, as well as not giving the vanguard party complete control to make decisions without them being approved by separate sections of the state.
(DIR) Post #AjddwpjHGLJWvfnEMC by Madaligned@mas.to
2024-07-06T01:28:39Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @Bl4ckst4r @aumalatj no what people want does effect the states. And to say a vanguard is an opinion. Some will disagree and resist that we need statehood and will act accordingly in a way where they do not use statehood to resist capitalism.
(DIR) Post #Ajdgn9D0Hd6KJIlonI by Madaligned@mas.to
2024-07-06T01:35:46Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @Bl4ckst4r @aumalatj I personally think capitalism and statehood is unsustainable and will collapse on itself, eventually.Building communities that R decentralized With a focus on social responsibility and cohesion that is hostile to coercion. May lead us to a just solution but there’s so many possibilities that IDK, where the solution, revolution will follow suit but ignoring people who say they don’t want 2 b ruled is not a solution in my opinion. All perspectives must be equal
(DIR) Post #AjdgnAPRoqeK2BbGpU by Madaligned@mas.to
2024-07-06T01:50:06Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @Bl4ckst4r @aumalatj also if the proletariat party tries to oppress, suppress, or force people to abide by its rule and attempts to force people to accept the rule of a one party state. There will be even more injustice that gets added to the pot in my opinion
(DIR) Post #AjdgnBJSSbS6pto08G by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T02:00:31Z
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@Madaligned @Bl4ckst4r @aumalatj 1/3 The idea of a vanguard party being necessary isn't just opinion (it is not a subjective belief based on personal feelings), it's a hypothesis, a proposed explanation for how a revolution realistically has to be done, one that is based on logic and evidence. The logic behind the necessity of a vanguard party derives from the fact that the revolutionary people need ideological unity and strategic/tactical cohesiveness in order to be successful, and...
(DIR) Post #AjdgpKOLfzOHZa7Hii by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T02:00:55Z
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@Madaligned @Bl4ckst4r @aumalatj 2/3 ...therefore, supporters of vanguard parties conclude that a vanguard party that promotes revolutionary ideology, organizes the masses strategically and tactically, and helps guide them towards their revolutionary goals is a requirement for a revolution to succeed. The evidence for this comes from practically every single successful revolution in history, all having some kind of political organization that led the revolutionary masses to success.
(DIR) Post #Ajdgq7AYK4TCqz2SWG by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T02:01:04Z
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@Madaligned @Bl4ckst4r @aumalatj 3/3 There may have been successful revolutions that had no kind of vanguard party, but given that the vast majority of them did, I would say that those instances are the exception and not the rule.
(DIR) Post #AjdiHujoEfUCMRLiro by Madaligned@mas.to
2024-07-06T02:17:15Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @Bl4ckst4r @aumalatj and i would just have to disagree with you no big deal
(DIR) Post #AjdieGePRchgh3TysK by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T02:21:17Z
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@Madaligned @Bl4ckst4r @aumalatj Is there any logical or evidence-based basis for this disagreement, or is it based on subjective personal preference?
(DIR) Post #Ajdq0ZWSexMZH0LblI by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T03:43:43Z
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@andho @Bl4ckst4r @Madaligned @aumalatj I don't see how that logically follows at all.
(DIR) Post #Ajdz2lBRAtgzbbdF0C by aumalatj@mementomori.social
2024-07-06T05:25:00Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @andho @Bl4ckst4r @Madaligned There may have been vanguardist revolutions that had no kind of oppression of the proletariat, but given that the vast majority of them did, I would say that those instances are the exception and not the rule.
(DIR) Post #Aje6gSUimKfCuBWq00 by KaizAek@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T06:50:38Z
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@Radical_EgoCom teach everybody to control them land, to make them policies, to create them sindicate, and mainly to be free to create federations beetwen another people, anarchy dorsnt aim to get any power, its the main flag against it.
(DIR) Post #AjeO52T8NPZAeH5oga by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T10:05:34Z
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@aumalatj @andho @Bl4ckst4r @Madaligned That still doesn't disprove the logical basis for the necessity of a vanguard party.
(DIR) Post #AjeOsuEVGv4jaI1n9s by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T10:14:35Z
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@KaizAek Those are not strategies. Those are goals. Strategies are carefully designed plans for achieving a specific goal. Making it so that people can be self-sufficient enough to live without the state is the goal, but there needs to be a strategy behind that goal for it to have any possibility of success.
(DIR) Post #AjeOwPYBI6kla9u4SO by peterkal@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T10:11:56Z
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@mortentorten @Radical_EgoCom If you put the factory in the hands of this specific factory's workers and no other, you ain't fixing anything, the factory ain't converted in social property but instead in collective property of a few hundred of workers. Collective property paves the way for capitalist, that's why it must be use cautiously in production not ready to be socialised yet (peasantry), and avoided when you can socialise right away, socialisation happens through state.
(DIR) Post #AjeZD37ivRA4UX6IIy by peterkal@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T12:09:12Z
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@mortentorten @Radical_EgoCom Also not to mention 1) without a central plan(ned economy) you ain't delivering on the goals of economic development to reach society's needs, if the means of production are still in anarchy, then you don't switch to a superior system(socialism-communism), just doing nothing. You need central planning to increase industrial output, cover people's needs, and protect the revolution(weapons production in case of war).
(DIR) Post #AjeZSuERkfcXY2o2l6 by peterkal@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T12:12:43Z
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@mortentorten @Radical_EgoCom Socialism has criteria 1) Workers Power which is non-negotiable, aka dictatorship of the proletariat2) Central planning 3) A communist party to guide the revolution.If those criteria ain't delivered it isn't socialism.Those three ain't questionable.
(DIR) Post #AjeanUChooRUrJMwsa by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T12:28:03Z
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@mortentorten @peterkal You are correct. All forms of socialism don't require centeral planning. It appears that what Peter Kal is saying is that Marxism-Leninism, which does require central planning, is to them the most effective form of socialism and the most effective method of achieving communism.
(DIR) Post #AjecI6A5MC8tDyIvz6 by kirk@social.coop
2024-07-06T12:44:47Z
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@Radical_EgoCom I don't have a strategy or manifesto per se, but some frameworks I've found helpful and instructive are those of prefiguration, dual power, social ecology/libertarian municipalism, and the like.
(DIR) Post #AjedKMs8IabDaHYMl6 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T12:56:24Z
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@mortentorten @peterkal Efficiency is all. If a political method isn't efficient at achieving its intended goal, then it will fail, and it will have been completely useless as a political method. A vanguard party can avoid corruption by having state transparency, multiple independent sections of the government to keep the others in line and prevent the concentration of power in the hands of one or a few people, and having strict limits on the amount of power one individual can possess.
(DIR) Post #AjeeAWft6AOH2ohFfE by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T13:05:49Z
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@kirk 1/2 The one I have a problem with the most is libertarian municipality, particularly its adherence to free markets and limited government. I'm against the concept of a limited government because from my understanding, in order for a socialist state to be effective it would have to have more control than a limited government model would allow it to have in order for it to nationalize key industries and do away with wealth inequality through such means as taxation, which is also...
(DIR) Post #AjeeBcTV1EsxK5QJnM by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T13:06:03Z
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@kirk 2/2 ...precisely why I'm against the free market model that libertarian municipality advocates for as well.
(DIR) Post #AjekwfT8Iv31wc4Nn6 by hwyaden@toot.wales
2024-07-06T14:21:43Z
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@Radical_EgoCom incrementalism, isn't the goal a stateless society and not a different measure of efficiency in subjugation?
(DIR) Post #Ajeln49Hn2ffXuluQi by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T14:31:14Z
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@hwyaden Incrimentialism is inefficient in achieving a stateless society. Making small changes within the capitalist state system will not be able to lead to the abolition of the capitalist state. If the changes are not big and radical enough, the capitalist system will either stomp out the attempt at change or hijack it to serve its own purposes. A more revolutionary and radical change is necessary to achieve statelessness, particularly the forceful overthrow of the capitalist system.
(DIR) Post #AjepogpDsRmjbZPvP6 by Madaligned@mas.to
2024-07-06T15:16:19Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @aumalatj @andho @Bl4ckst4r the logical basis for a vanguard party is a belief you hold. That benefits the principles and standards you’ve created to determine what validates a revolution or not. But logically you’re revolution demands other be ruled despite what people want or their personal opinion or despite their lifestyle being taken into account. Your revolution has produced a injust society to me. Everyone does not need a one party state to build a revolution
(DIR) Post #AjerslDBi4lQHBhB6e by Madaligned@mas.to
2024-07-06T15:20:37Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @aumalatj @andho @Bl4ckst4r you don’t need to be engaged with a structure that doesn’t work for you let revolutionaries be nomads, be loners, be united and decentralized, let them work towards different objectives during the revolution. They Don’t need the a okay from someone with status in the vanguard to push for revolutionary changes. We won’t know everything that happens during the revolution and we can’t demand that all revolutionary agents report back to the proletariat.
(DIR) Post #AjersmckSWnuekf6aO by Madaligned@mas.to
2024-07-06T15:25:57Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @aumalatj @andho @Bl4ckst4r revolutionaries can be allowed to just do. And we can either learn to quickly and un strictly adapt to new circumstances. Or let those new circumstances kill of an organizational struggle because said structure didn’t want to allow the ungovernable to be ungoverned
(DIR) Post #Ajerso7ctD67Io7HM0 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T15:39:30Z
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@Madaligned @aumalatj @andho @Bl4ckst4r 1/3 No, the logical basis for a vanguard party that I listed is not just a belief, as in a subjective opinion with no evidence or logic to back it up. Above in this thread, I gave logical and evidence-based reasoning for a vanguard party, and none of it was subjective opinion. I suggest you read that and give any objections if you desire.
(DIR) Post #AjeruCskJltANqp7js by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T15:39:46Z
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@Madaligned @aumalatj @andho @Bl4ckst4r 2/3 The revolution I'm proposing does take into account what people want and need, as well as taking their personal lifestyles into account. I want a vanguard party because I've deduced that such is necessary, but I want that vanguard party to exist solely to benefit the people, their wants, and needs.
(DIR) Post #AjervXkoCZrBPGkSOG by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T15:39:59Z
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@Madaligned @aumalatj @andho @Bl4ckst4r 3/3 Letting revolutionaries take different revolutionary paths will be detrimental to the revolution. A revolution is dependent on the revolutionary masses collectively working together to achieve a successful revolution, and doing so will require some level of unity in ideology and action, otherwise, if everyone is just doing whatever they want the cohesiveness that a revolution depends on for success won't be there and the revolution will fail.
(DIR) Post #AjerxeoYvDhHsqVnvc by peterkal@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T15:33:39Z
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@mortentorten @Radical_EgoCom Of course efficiency is all. We are not rebelling for socialism-communism because it seems nice but because is a superior, more efficient socioeconomic system. It's superiority solves the issues of unemployment, misery etc. When you build an inferior, unscientific(anarchist "socialism"), it doesn't solve the problem, is not a system that can last.
(DIR) Post #Ajes2Qn2UaMBpq4leK by Madaligned@mas.to
2024-07-06T15:41:13Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @aumalatj @andho @Bl4ckst4r a belief can have evidence and logic that backs its still a belief and opinions can also be fact sometimes idk why that’s such a focus
(DIR) Post #AjesDqAYTOFpjVW1xY by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T15:43:17Z
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@Madaligned @aumalatj @andho @Bl4ckst4r No, an opinion by definition can not be a fact. An opinion is a subjective belief about something. A fact is something that can be proven to be true regardless of personal beliefs.
(DIR) Post #AjesN2nasyALVeAFwe by Madaligned@mas.to
2024-07-06T15:44:59Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @aumalatj @andho @Bl4ckst4r we’re just gonna have to disagree on definitions I think you can have an opinion that the earth is round and that opinion also be a fact at the same Time.
(DIR) Post #AjesVuoJxHY1LAjbRA by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T15:46:35Z
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@Madaligned @aumalatj @andho @Bl4ckst4r No, an opinion and a fact are different types of statements. A fact is something that can be objectively verified and proven true or false, while an opinion is a personal belief or judgment that may vary from person to person and cannot be proven objectively true or false in the same way.
(DIR) Post #AjestrLyScEZZHtQvI by Madaligned@mas.to
2024-07-06T15:50:53Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @aumalatj @andho @Bl4ckst4r I don’t agree that’s your standard and may be many other peoples standard but I just use the words differently. And I’ve explained how I use the words. Why can’t we just get past it. Why do I have to agree to the way you use the word
(DIR) Post #Ajf2qzqlPfTQaoZI0m by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T17:42:25Z
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@mortentorten @peterkal 1/2 I don't believe that George Orwell was a fascist, but he undoubtedly had very questionable beliefs regarding Hitler, such as this one:"I have never been able to dislike Hitler. I have written elsewhere about the split that a European feels under the impact of the machine, the disregard of life, the mechanization of human relations and the commodification of human beings. All these things are monstrous, but they are real, and people like Hitler and Stalin...
(DIR) Post #Ajf2rrKMaLdsRxpB0S by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T17:42:36Z
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@mortentorten @peterkal 2/2 ...demonstrate rather than negate the underlying reasons for their existence."Despite labeling himself an anti-fascist, he claimed to have not been able to hate Hitler and even show some weird admiration for Hitler's unethical actions, which rubs many anti-fascist the wrong way, myself included.
(DIR) Post #Ajf5rMBUfrExix7zQ8 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T18:16:01Z
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@marnanel What you just wrote is not a strategy at all. A strategy is a strict plan that is followed out to achieve a goal. "Hope" is not a strategy. All you've essentially said is that when the requirements for achieving revolution happen, revolution will happen. Yeah! Of course it will, but that's in no way a strategy for how those requirements will be attained.
(DIR) Post #Ajf6yENADTjbTfQbR2 by hwyaden@toot.wales
2024-07-06T18:28:33Z
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@Radical_EgoCom you might consider looking at systems and change through a free energy framework. Accelerationism tends to get focused on time as the only possible measure of efficiency. If a change is worth happening does it matter if it occurs in our lifetime?
(DIR) Post #Ajf7KmzSBp1vDG5vCy by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T18:32:32Z
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@marnanel This is a useless plan. It's too vague and lacking in details to be of any use in practical real-world application, let alone in achieving a revolution.
(DIR) Post #Ajf7S7NEnnoWSUiKJM by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T18:33:52Z
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@marnanel @esquirolet Both are for the changing of living conditions within the capitalist system, so they're both reformist.
(DIR) Post #Ajf7Z66Xv4k8Y7EbuS by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T18:35:14Z
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@hwyaden I haven't mentioned accelerationism or anything pertaining to it at all.
(DIR) Post #AjfAWlYbdw926cwJ3g by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T19:08:24Z
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@marnanel @esquirolet Reformism is the changing of the social and political systems to improve society as opposed to overthrowing the system or seeking revolutionary change. Helping a homeless person is just a general act of generosity that addresses an immediate human need. They aren't the same thing.
(DIR) Post #AjfCX6QgEzMEkRWKTw by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T19:30:48Z
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@marnanel @esquirolet You asked a general question that suggested that I could potentially be against helping homeless people due to me being against reformism, and I refuted holding such a position by pointing out the difference between reformism and mutual aid as a concept, clarifying that I clearly support one (mutual aid) and not the other (reformism), and that doing so isn't contradictory.
(DIR) Post #AjfDY9mTMiRtO0mQee by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T19:42:16Z
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@marnanel @esquirolet I said that what he does seems like a reform attempt. If his job involves making changes to the current capital system, then that is, by definition, reformism. That doesn't necessarily make it bad, but it does make it reformism.
(DIR) Post #AjfGqAvi8EeY1bNufw by mazunki@fosstodon.org
2024-07-06T20:19:08Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @marnanel Would it still not count as a strategy if I do this by leading by example?Helping others to some degree inspires people to pay it forward. Over time, this may accumulate to a cooperative society, which may or may not lead to a revolution, but at least people will value people's help and cooperation over the reliance on laws and governmental expectations.Is this futile? Perhaps, but I still think a bad strategy still is a strategy.
(DIR) Post #AjfHPAl6l9Y1d775Q8 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T20:25:29Z
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@mazunki @marnanel That's not a strategy at all. A strategy is a well-thought-out plan designed to achieve a specific goal. "Helping others" is good, but it isn't a strategy.
(DIR) Post #AjfHk8a43L9QxJwcgy by mazunki@fosstodon.org
2024-07-06T20:29:16Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @marnanel What difference is there between a strategy and the approach one uses to (maybe) reach a goal?
(DIR) Post #AjfJ4N7fnNB3nqsRrE by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-06T20:44:07Z
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@mazunki @marnanel The approach one uses to potentially achieve a goal is a strategy, and there wasn't a modicum of a strategy in what you proposed. It was just an idealistic goal with vague steps with no explanation on how to make any of it a reality.
(DIR) Post #AjfQKEwOgN60jw7Hf6 by mazunki@fosstodon.org
2024-07-06T22:05:26Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @marnanel So you're suggesting listing out exactly how to help someone? I think that's a complex list to make a compendium of
(DIR) Post #AjfR7Sy1K1q6QmLfuq by ashwin@union.place
2024-07-06T22:14:18Z
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@Radical_EgoCom "Parakrattein to Nomismata!"~ Cynic Philosophers.Switch to a cryptocurrency designed to spread wealth.https://blog.glue.earth/2023/10/alohacoin2-proposal-for-new-form-of.htmlIf you send me 100 AlohaCoins, I get 90 coins, and 10 coins get disbursed equally to all people alive.Over time, wealth will get distributed, and class divisions will dissolve.Don't let Bezos, Musk etc even buy milk and bread with their Illuminati petrodollars. Insist on AlohaCoin.Everyone gets a slice! Make the pie higher! :cannabis_leaf:
(DIR) Post #AjfcGCt9ZOPEfNRV4K by peterkal@mastodon.social
2024-07-07T00:19:10Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @mortentorten I don't call him fascist 'cause of what he said about Hitler. I call him that because opportunist sounds little of him. Partnering with the agencies of capitalists to go against the Spanish revolution and the communist movement, creating hundreds of pages of anti-soviet propaganda, being part of a counter-revolutionary party at the time (trots). Perhaps if not fascist he was one of greatest opportunists of all time.
(DIR) Post #Ajff23ueRdcQdX5eBk by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-07T00:50:14Z
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@peterkal @mortentorten Can you please explain what aspects of Trotskyism are counter-revolutionary. I ask because I've examined Trotskyist ideology, and I haven't been able to find anything within their beliefs that I would specifically label counter-revolutionary, but then again, I don't know everything about Trotskyism.
(DIR) Post #AjffbEaAlc9LrbHaZE by peterkal@mastodon.social
2024-07-07T00:56:36Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @mortentorten Don't promise you I will answer immediately cause I'm headed to sleep, but I think an important question is, what books have you read about Trotskyism (if not books what sources) and what ML in general. Don't hesitate, if you don't bother I will like to see in depth your understanding and what do you know.
(DIR) Post #AjfgeHhjiRXQMwq4mG by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-07T01:08:21Z
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@peterkal @mortentorten My only exposure to Trotskyism so far has been reading the Manifesto of the RCI and watching some of their videos, particularly the World School of Communism event where they lay out all of their beliefs and goals. My exposure to ML is more extensive, having listened to many audiobooks of Lenin from the "Socialism For All ☭ Intensify Class Struggle" youtube channel, specifically the "Basic Marxism-Leninism Study Guide" Playlist.
(DIR) Post #Ajg6uNq5GyBYpx543E by KaizAek@mastodon.social
2024-07-07T06:02:34Z
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@Radical_EgoCom these strategies as you call are widely used by capital to process human collectives under the feet of statements, by these one we dont call strategies we call it principles, there is no fredoom without culture, no strenght without unity, and no human being without a land to belong, about the goals who cares how its gonna be, if we aim for the human on constant revolution.
(DIR) Post #AjgX4OW2D36wdi8YDo by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-07T10:55:43Z
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@fraxinus 1/2 That doesn't feel like a good strategy. Organizing locally is a good thing to do, but it alone isn't efficient enough for this task because it will take more than just local organizations to deal with the aftermath of capitalism. There will need to be interconnected organizations that span across the entire country that will be able to deal with production, labor organization, etc. Also, capitalism isn't likely to fall apart by itself. Capitalism, despite its many flaws...
(DIR) Post #AjgX5TbKmsA0hY8EHg by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-07T10:55:56Z
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@fraxinus 2/2 ...and contradictions, has ways of perpetuating its existence after major crises, such as reforms at best or the use of fascism and authoritarianism at worst, and unless there is a strong proletarian movement that will dismantle the capitalist system when it's weak, capitalism will continue to exist in some form.
(DIR) Post #AjgeDibjZpN1EsCD7Q by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-07T12:15:45Z
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@lxo 1/2 I'm talking about whatever country this event happens to take place in. I never once said that foreign forces wouldn't try to sabotage a countries attempt at abolishing capitalism. International cooperation would be far more preferable than an individual country trying to abolish capitalism, but that isn't guaranteed. A country may be all alone in their endeavor. The country in question will have to establish a socialist state after the abolition of the capitalist state, one that...
(DIR) Post #AjgeE7tfYHZTfjmO2q by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-07T12:15:55Z
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@lxo 2/2 ...is strong enough to defend from foreign antagonism.
(DIR) Post #AjgxCjd0CBqvF92944 by sparky57@mastodon.social
2024-07-07T15:47:58Z
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@Radical_EgoCom maybe i am not so much an anarchist. but i see many anarchists on the right who's capitalism failed them ; as capitalism failed me and so many others to a great extent.. the anarchists that i see today seek the overthrow of my prime minister and the triumphant return of far right leaders and the oil n gas sector and weapons manufacturers that bribes them. i just voice my opinion, being an old man who has seen a lot. let them destroy themselves. deny access to graphite.
(DIR) Post #AjhJozG0jVgjiCvOWe by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-07T20:01:56Z
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@fraxinus 1/3 None of what you're saying makes much sense, and this new comment I'm responding to makes this strategy sound even less feasible than when it was just one sentence. Let's say the scenario you've described actually happens. The capitalist of the world are shuttling their capital back and fourth to each other, they go off on some island to live, they even have AI to work for them, and they leave the rest of us behind. They still own the means of production, so they'd still have...
(DIR) Post #AjhJr4NwddgUCAd3Im by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-07T20:02:19Z
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@fraxinus 2/3 all the power. And let's say that the people left behind start trying to build a society for themselves. Do you think the capitalist are going to let us do that and risk us becoming a threat to them in the future? The answer is no. Just like how capitalist crush attempts of the working class at unionizing, in this hypothetical cyberpunk future the rich will use their power to force the rest of us to stay in poverty, in a non-threatening state of existence. In this scenario,...
(DIR) Post #AjhJs9x1QkYLkMYVmK by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-07T20:02:30Z
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@fraxinus 3/3 ...a revolution of some kind where the capitalists are forcefully overthrown will still be necessary.
(DIR) Post #Ajiu8Z7NQ1nVwTTtLc by danialbehzadi@persadon.com
2024-07-08T14:22:55Z
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@Radical_EgoCom Public Education and empowerment
(DIR) Post #Ajiv0Gmxma62jTXbqi by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-08T14:32:48Z
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@danialbehzadi Public education and empowerment are motivators for people to engage in revolution against capitalism, but they aren't strategies for revolting against capitalism and ensuring its overthrow.
(DIR) Post #AjjYWWaYTG03DK6mjg by iromeister@social.anoxinon.de
2024-07-08T21:56:05Z
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@Radical_EgoCom I won't reveal my revolutionary strategy here because agents of the state are reading it as well...Only one hint: #OperationMindfuck 😉
(DIR) Post #Ajjc7MVdCzHqWw3wCe by peterkal@mastodon.social
2024-07-08T22:36:24Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @mortentorten *Not ignoring you just preparing a good answer while not having time*
(DIR) Post #AjksdZtSm2rNjTYMDY by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-09T13:16:09Z
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@MxSpoon The answer is that we have no strategy for preventing an authoritarian regime from taking the place of capitalism because we intend to replace capitalism with a dictatorship of the proletariat, which would be inherently authoritarian in nature, as it will have centralized control of the state apparatus and supress counter-revolutionary forces in order to facilitate the transition to stateless classless communism.
(DIR) Post #AjktM1LO4jAZbso3jU by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-09T13:24:13Z
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@MxSpoon That's a very useless strategy, if it's even appropriate to call it that. "Small acts of revolution," "people connecting," and "making complex webs of support/action" are all vague, nothing answers. They provide no detail on how a revolution will actually be achieved. These are good sounding ideals with no detailed plan on how to achieve any of them.
(DIR) Post #Ajl1Xw4CJxowLpxUUC by ianinferno@mastodon.social
2024-07-09T14:56:02Z
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@Radical_EgoCom anarchy is incompatible with the "overthrow" of the state. That just results in another state. The state must dissolve. They invariably do. In the meantime, anarchy exists at the interstices in the form of autonomous zones and direct action. Those activities answer the question "how can we survive without a state?" Which is similar to the question "how can we survive without a king."
(DIR) Post #Ajl2smbQnq7r2D0YLI by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-09T15:11:02Z
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@ianinferno 1/3 All states do not invariably dissolve, specifically the bourgeois state. It will maintain its power over people indefinitely if not challenged. The inherent traits that capitalism perpetuates (greed, selfishness, competition) causes the capitalist ruling class to consistently do everything in their power to maintain their power, whether it be reforms to quell the revolutionary masses or fascism to force them into submission.
(DIR) Post #Ajl2uOvlmloSCFICvY by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-09T15:11:18Z
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@ianinferno 2/3 A socialist state, on the other hand, can dissolve due to socialism being capable of eliminating the class strife in society by putting power on a more equal level, and since states only exist for one class to maintain supremacy over another, it is possible for a socialist state to dissolve. But a capitalist state will not dissolve of its own accord. It will have to be overthrown by force.
(DIR) Post #Ajl2vOEJsPtcJRRNoG by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-09T15:11:28Z
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@ianinferno 3/3 Also, I'm not confident that your proclamation that anarchism is incompatible with overthrowing the state is accurate, since anarchism is simply the belief that there should be no state or hierarchy, which is compatible with a desire or movement to overthrow the state.
(DIR) Post #Ajl3X3CyU1Ei7RlmOO by lawas@mastodon.social
2024-07-09T15:18:18Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @MxSpoon It really is a nice thought, but I think there’s a reason we haven’t seen an anarchist movement unseat the rule of capital for any significant amount of time. I think Engels’ piece The Bakuninists At Work is a good illustration of some limitations of anarchy in practice. Our enemy is highly organized and militarized, which is why we need a mass movement that can consolidate our power. Otherwise these “little acts of revolution” just get crushed.
(DIR) Post #Ajl5nMOR7cCMA52GTw by ianinferno@mastodon.social
2024-07-09T15:43:37Z
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@Radical_EgoCom When I say dissolve, I mean states fail and are replaced. Capitalist states may result from successive dissolutions, but this is not a constant any more than kings succeeding kings was a constant.The fundamental difficulty with this survey: anarchy is not communism. In practice, communism replaces one ruling party with another. Anarchism proposes no ruling party.
(DIR) Post #Ajl6VKalBDnVJhlb9c by ianinferno@mastodon.social
2024-07-09T15:51:35Z
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@Radical_EgoCom In some other threads you mention logic and proof. We can state, by definition, that anarchism implies no state, and therefore overthrowing one government and installing another is not anarchy.When we discuss history we have left the realms of deduction and induction. That's fine, but let's not pretend rigor.So far, we have no evidence of overthrow resulting in anarchy. That doesn't make it impossible, but history suggests overthrow results in a new state and a new elite.
(DIR) Post #AjlZxzDYcpBk5uviwi by kcarruthers@mastodon.social
2024-07-09T21:21:33Z
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@Radical_EgoCom don’t you think society is crumbling fast enough on its own?
(DIR) Post #AjlanQ5gTIjqCylxuy by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-09T21:30:59Z
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@kcarruthers What do you mean?
(DIR) Post #AjlomULMZZLKT1YYq0 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-10T00:07:38Z
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@MxSpoon Describing it as replacing one form of tyranny for another shows a lack of understanding of the dictatorship of the proletariat. The DotP is progress towards the ultimate goal of the stateless and classless society of communism. It replaces the bourgeois state with a state where the proletariat are the ruling class, in which it represses the bourgeois class and counter-revolution until class antagonisms have completely vanished, making the state unnecessary, leading to communism.
(DIR) Post #Ajlr0pmtqAfmwBPA2q by jlou@mastodon.social
2024-07-10T00:32:42Z
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@Radical_EgoCom The movement should start building alternatives to capitalism now. 1. Create worker coops.2. Create democratically-controlled pools of collectivized capital that convert existing firms into worker coops and provide start up funding to new worker coops. 3. Encourage unionization to improve the conditions of workers stuck in non-democratic companies. Build up the economic and political influence of this democratic sector, the movement and the workers relative to capitalists
(DIR) Post #AjltZw4Kg9dMShQMgS by jmanes@mastodon.world
2024-07-10T01:01:28Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @MxSpoon I’d like to add that even if stateless communism did not come to fruition, a government ruled by the workers is still better than the alternative we are dealing with today.
(DIR) Post #Ajmps14Ed0oMWBhkA4 by VildaVedo@mastodon.arch-linux.cz
2024-07-10T11:54:36Z
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@Radical_EgoCom I believe you have started following a bad person - me. I love capitalism, and as someone from Eastern Europe—specifically the Czech Republic, which has faced poverty and food shortages—I strongly disagree with communism.
(DIR) Post #AkA4mlRCHJI3AnixKC by natacha@ps.s10y.eu
2024-07-21T17:00:05Z
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@Radical_EgoCom Your supposed objectivism lacks context, and this makes your reasoning dominant/colonial. As history has shown, revolutions start from rebellions by paesants minorised people , and anarchists. They were then violently appropriated by communists. Please explain how a vanguard party would represent the large diversity of needs of those who are invisibilised, Marx Engels, Trotsky called them "Lumpenproletariat" (Ragged Proletariat) maybe a majority of the world.@Madaligned