Post AjcADR7snXxNlQLKQC by foxyoreos@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #Ajc74VrjVXLJziqHvk by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2024-07-05T07:45:32.403Z
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@foxyoreos@mastodon.social @louis@emacs.ch It is a complete dismissal of any concern that contributors haveIt is a dismissal for contemporary attention politics. It's only existed for a short while, and future historians are unlikely to have anything to say about it. If they do, it won't be positive.with no curiosity about why they might be upsetI've had my curiosity, and I've been burned for trying to engage with people that value identity politics above all else. It is not worth the trouble, and their end-goal is nothing to be proud of. Identity politics is harmful and toxic to anyone who genuinely engages with it.a reasonable requestI would agree that the request in the PR you linked earlier is reasonable, but I find the dev's response to be reasonable as well. Someone asked something, the dev said "no thanks". Yet here we are, there was no intent of drama at all you say, but drama was created. That was the point of the PR, and we both know it.You also have to understand that this whole identity politics charade is only relevant to a small part of the human population, most notably people who live sheltered lives in rich countries. The vast majority of civilization doesn't want this or care about this because they have actual problems to deal with on a daily basis.
(DIR) Post #Ajc7sFi7qU7IN04A7c by foxyoreos@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T07:48:25Z
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@tyil @louis > It's only existed for a short whileI have bad news for you about the history of the Internet.> most notably people who live sheltered lives in rich countriesI regret to inform you that women also live outside of the US.---And once again, I would remind you, if you are trying to have a nuanced conversation that doesn't demonize or paint differing viewpoints as "enemies"... you are doing a bad job at that.Which maybe you're not! But everyone else is trying.
(DIR) Post #Ajc7sH6cetJ2hGXEwa by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2024-07-05T07:54:32.956Z
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@foxyoreos@mastodon.social @louis@emacs.ch I have bad news for you about the history of the Internet.The Internet is less than a century old, this is not a long time on the scale of humanity.I regret to inform you that women also live outside of the US.Correct. If I were you and I wanted to really help women, I'd suggest you fight religions which demands complete obedience from women or that mutilate them at birth for their gods. Starting drama over a pronoun doesn't do much to reduce any real violence hurting them, but it sure makes you look interesting to your friends I guess.
(DIR) Post #Ajc8EuDXvHTyN1Z51M by foxyoreos@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T07:56:04Z
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@tyil @louis > Correct. If I were you and I wanted to really help women, I'd suggest you fight religions which demands complete obedience from women or that mutilate them at birth for their gods.??? This is the weirdest transition over to an "you should be an atheist" argument that I have ever seen on the entire Internet.
(DIR) Post #Ajc8EvDaCd6dTQaciW by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2024-07-05T07:58:39.057Z
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@foxyoreos@mastodon.social @louis@emacs.ch Its not that weird, you pretend this drama thread is about "helping women", when its just wasting time online getting attention for yourself. If you truly cared about helping women there are many ways to help them properly, help those who are oppressed every day by their surroundings. Those women can't go online and complain about having to read "he" or "him" in documentation that the majority of people will never even see.Do you truly wish to help women, or do you care about a very tiny subset of women because it happens to align with looking progressive online?
(DIR) Post #Ajc95cppHVtJo6bnOq by foxyoreos@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T08:03:00Z
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@tyil @louis> when its just wasting time online getting attention for yourself.Look, respectfully. If I wanted to get attention for myself online, there are about 500 better things I could do than argue with a random Mastodon account. This is genuinely kind of a funny argument, because you really only need to look at my account very briefly to realize that I am not on this site to make a name for myself.I want to be kind about this, but I mean... look, this is not a publicized debate.
(DIR) Post #Ajc95dyj1ubVLzmPuS by foxyoreos@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T08:06:05Z
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@tyil @louis This right here is not publicity.And this idea of "why are you arguing on Mastodon instead of fighting for women's rights in Syria" - I need you to take a step back and try to think through what you're trying to say.But rest assured, if your fear is that I'm somehow striving for attention, I draw furry vore. This is not how I attract clients. Do you think there are a bunch of furries lining up saying, "what I really want from my art is to know the artist doesn't use Ladybug"?
(DIR) Post #Ajc95dz50at5N5whSi by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2024-07-05T08:08:10.303Z
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@foxyoreos@mastodon.social @louis@emacs.ch a random Mastodon accountI sure hope you're not referring to me, as I don't use #Mastodon.you really only need to look at my account very brieflyI don't tend to inspect whoever I'm talking to online, that seems kind of childish. Imagine having a discussion with someone, and your first thought it "let me see if this person is holy enough to talk to me first". That's a clear indicator of someone who isn't honest, someone who is arguing in bad faith. Sadly, this is not unsurprising from people who agree with your mindset. Its all identity politics, all the time, no room for any discussion or nuance, no thinking outside the doctrine allowed for any reason.this is not a publicized debate.I mean, we're posting publicly, though I would agree on this not being a debate part. You're clearly ignoring anything I say that would have to make you think about your position.
(DIR) Post #Ajc9FSBriENTgobUno by jrballesteros05@social.linux.pizza
2024-07-05T08:08:07Z
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@tyil @louis @foxyoreos when I saw the project the first thing I thought was:"Why discord and why GitHub"? Then I realized that a new floss drama came because of "gender neutrality". I have to say that the guy who asked to change the documentation asked nicely and the reply was quite rude in my opinion.However I mostly agree with Tyil, many people should be aware of the main point of the project, there are projects which are more political and there are projects which are more technical and keep in mind that everything else outside the project is off topic. For example, If I want my project to focus on creating 100% libre software without corporate crap, everything else like "why the project is so bloated" should be considered off topic and maybe out of scope, then depending on how tolerant you are with other topics you can discuss about it or not, but these topics will still be off topic.I won't use that browser anyway because of the license, the forge and discord.
(DIR) Post #Ajc9qZav9AdLMr1Uoa by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2024-07-05T08:16:39.730Z
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@foxyoreos@mastodon.social @louis@emacs.ch This right here is not publicityIts not publicity but it sure is public, and "to publicize" does in fact mean "to make public. So it most definitely is publicized as you mentioned in your previous post.on MastodonI hope this is just a limitation of your technological knowledge, rather than yet another point to your incredibly small mindset when thinking about things. I'm not on #Mastodon, I'm on the #Fediverse, there's so much more to this federated medium than Mastodon. In fact, Mastodon came in quite late to the party!Similarly, there is so much more to this world than just identity politics in niche online communities. There are real threats to all sorts of communities that need actual help. Making a huge drama threat on the Fediverse isn't going to help anyone, really. Its just giving you a good feeling because you can be proud of your progressive tokenism. You can show this to your short-term friends and they'll praise you, until you slip up and understand why people dislike identity politics so much.You tell me to be curious, but I would strongly suggest you start becoming a bit more curious to the world outside of what you currently perceive it to be. You'll realize that this pronoun charade is just a minuscule non-issue to the vast majority of the human population, and you could be spending your efforts much better if your goal truly is to help oppressed people.
(DIR) Post #Ajc9uvv857EBliYRnc by foxyoreos@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T08:15:16Z
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@tyil @louis > I don't tend to inspect whoever I'm talking to online, that seems kind of childishYou should try it, it would help you avoid saying so many ridiculous things.However, I do want to deeply apologize for mislabeling your fediverse platform. I should have done more research into you to determine which one you were using.
(DIR) Post #Ajc9ux7ZcKmBUbNtpo by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2024-07-05T08:17:27.549Z
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@foxyoreos@mastodon.social @louis@emacs.ch You should try it, it would help you avoid saying so many ridiculous things.It would mostly help you avoid opinions you aren't yet familiar with 😉
(DIR) Post #AjcADR7snXxNlQLKQC by foxyoreos@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T08:19:25Z
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@tyil @louis > Its not publicity but it sure is public, and "to publicize" does in fact mean "to make public. So it most definitely is publicized as you mentioned in your previous post.Well, what can I say? You caught me with that description of technical language definition, I actually AM here trying to score furry vore commissions. /sTake a breath, back up, and read the things you are saying.
(DIR) Post #AjcADS7D7X0spd2J0q by foxyoreos@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T08:19:48Z
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@tyil @louis > Making a huge drama threat on the Fediverse isn't going to help anyone, really.Once again, I want to say this as kindly as possible. This is not a huge drama thread.
(DIR) Post #AjcADSh0yPeYcfmtou by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2024-07-05T08:20:47.269Z
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@foxyoreos@mastodon.social @louis@emacs.ch Yeah, it could be bigger. I'm sure you can do better next time! All those women being oppressed are praying for you!
(DIR) Post #AjcB6rIJCtuKqleAi0 by foxyoreos@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T08:22:18Z
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@tyil @louis > Similarly, there is so much more to this world than just identity politics in niche online communities. There are real threats to all sorts of communities that need actual help. Look, I am involved in broader communities obviously. I also know furries and queer people and fluffers from multiple nations, including some of the ones you're saying don't care. It is not helpful to typecast and dismiss concerns this way or to stereotype critics. It doesn't make conversations better.
(DIR) Post #AjcB6sWAeqaee38kxE by foxyoreos@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T08:23:04Z
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@tyil @louis It is quite frankly, the mark of an extremely weak argument that you jump over to making sure that everyone is concerned enough for communities you are not a part of and that you do not understand.I can't speak for every LGBTQ+ fluffer and I have never once claimed to. But I am a part of that broader community, and I know enough people and fluffers around the world to know that you are talking bullcrap.
(DIR) Post #AjcB6scCIRPWwjxZLc by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2024-07-05T08:30:48.469Z
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@foxyoreos@mastodon.social @louis@emacs.ch Look I am involved in many niche online communitiesYou realize you are proving my point here, right? You are so obsessed with these online communities you completely forget there's whole planet of issues with actual impact. There's multiple wars going on, an entire culture is targeted for genocide, kids are mutilated at birth. But the issue you think is the most important one to spend several hours of discussing on is "Someone said "he" instead of "they"!" This is not a "real threat" by any stretch of the imagination. This is a made-up problem by people who have never in their lives encountered a real threat.You're involved in a niche community that happens to not be living close together. That's how the Internet works. Try to imagine there are other people with other ideologies and opinions. Don't dismiss the idea of talking with anyone because you "inspected their profile" and deemed them to be too wrong to talk to. You're creating your own bubble, and its extremely obvious to anyone who is outside of it.
(DIR) Post #AjcEKxTFL85JvGB58q by foxyoreos@mastodon.social
2024-07-05T08:12:41Z
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@jrballesteros05 @tyil @louis > there are projects which are more political andOnce again, I'm calling for some empathy here. What makes gender political? Why is it political for a project to use gender-neutral language?We are talking about communities that are regularly told that going outside in clothing that fits their gender is propaganda and should be illegal. If you've never had that concern (and you probably haven't) it's just incurious to dismiss them without trying to understand.
(DIR) Post #AjcEKyYFK1g7H3WaZc by jrballesteros05@social.linux.pizza
2024-07-05T08:48:27Z
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@foxyoreos @tyil @louis I think I was empathetic. The first thing I said was the reply was not the right one. I highlighted the reply was rude in my opinion. If you ask me, as someone who is not an English speaker native, I strongly believe that gender neutrality fits better in the documentation. Then, telling everyone else that people from ladybirds are white supremacists fascist because they don't want to include "politics" is too much. It is like "You are with me or you are against me". Then seeing how people, especially from the USA, speaks it seems that they have to be extremely careful about what they say because it seem that everything could be turned against you.I have my own concerns, as someone who is from a country when bringing a plate of food is our biggest priority, then we have no time to be concerned about other things and that automatically does not mean we are "dismissing" that community.