Post AjaZ2f2epR9CH7wC7U by iam_jfnklstrm@social.linux.pizza
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(DIR) Post #AjaZ2f2epR9CH7wC7U by iam_jfnklstrm@social.linux.pizza
2024-07-04T11:38:58Z
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#meme #politics #communism #classwar
(DIR) Post #Ajac84fzFQlr5abfTU by fedwards9965@mastodon.online
2024-07-04T14:05:47Z
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@HarbingerOfSalem @iam_jfnklstrm @Radical_EgoCom That's an ideal solution... however, "centrists" would then take the situation as an opportunity to then block the "left"...You know, to be fair... as a "compromise".
(DIR) Post #Ajac858hWfjuWe2bEO by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-04T14:24:08Z
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@fedwards9965 @HarbingerOfSalem @iam_jfnklstrm None of what you said discredits the necessity to prevent the right from voting to prevent their ideas from propagating and gaining power.
(DIR) Post #AjacWYVVzKMaYhNju4 by fedwards9965@mastodon.online
2024-07-04T14:28:33Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @HarbingerOfSalem @iam_jfnklstrm again, that wasn't the intent of what I said.Just a warning that, as I see it, the natural conclusion of "barring" the right will be barring the left.Leaving in its wake an insurmountable centrist monolith.
(DIR) Post #AjaciGpTXZhrCqIvoG by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-04T14:30:42Z
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@fedwards9965 @HarbingerOfSalem @iam_jfnklstrm You've provided no logical correlation that concludes that banning the right from voting would then result in the left being banned from voting.
(DIR) Post #AjadGasvTqt3FmHjd2 by fedwards9965@mastodon.online
2024-07-04T14:36:52Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @HarbingerOfSalem @iam_jfnklstrm seriously? Not meaning to insult here, Cat, but that's a bit naivecentrist, passive, "undecided" and apathetic voters make up the bulk of most nations... the incentive to barring the "right" will be to prevent "radical" politics from taking rootWhether we like it or not, our leftist ideas ARE considered radical by the majorityopportunist centre politicians won't miss that opportunity.
(DIR) Post #AjadefflKcTJ3IbntI by iam_jfnklstrm@social.linux.pizza
2024-07-04T14:32:13Z
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@fedwards9965 @Radical_EgoCom @HarbingerOfSalem I define Marx as a social liberal thinker and thus see it as necessary to accept political pluralism instead of banning it. And yes, it's a political utopism - but it's the only way that I see as democratic enough.
(DIR) Post #Ajadeh9vnwCLf9jPYO by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-04T14:41:14Z
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@iam_jfnklstrm @fedwards9965 @HarbingerOfSalem Complete political pluralism should not be accepted. Let's say democracy is your intended goal for society. Political pluralism will allow advocates against democracy to (ironically) gain political power through voting to put their people into power, and once they have enough political power, they'll destroy democracy completely. If you think this is outlandish and will never happen, it literally happened this exact way in 1930s Germany.
(DIR) Post #AjadobQ7znywlC212m by iam_jfnklstrm@social.linux.pizza
2024-07-04T14:43:02Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @fedwards9965 @HarbingerOfSalem yes, it's a big dilemma and it is happening over most european countries right now. It's very concering, but what is different with our stance if we use democracy to ban the right?
(DIR) Post #AjadzJ1yhxCYuZq6aW by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-04T14:44:58Z
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@fedwards9965 @HarbingerOfSalem @iam_jfnklstrm The simple solution is to have a leftist (socialist) government in power that would prevent the banning of leftist from voting simply because their ideas are "too radical."
(DIR) Post #AjaeENWQICWNBTGbiK by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-04T14:47:42Z
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@iam_jfnklstrm @fedwards9965 @HarbingerOfSalem The difference is our ideals and principles. I assume you believe that leftist ideals are good and right-wing ideals are bad, right? That's the difference. Two sides aren't the same just because they both use force. Force can be used for good and evil, and the leftist use of force in banning the right from voting would, reasonably, be good.
(DIR) Post #AjaeZI9ZRptccBYAfA by fedwards9965@mastodon.online
2024-07-04T14:51:27Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @HarbingerOfSalem @iam_jfnklstrm and, barring a revolution, how does that happen today?because as I see it, the right are an immediate threat and no where in the West do I see any evidence of a true "left" party or coalition being anywhere near viable.Correct me if I am wrong.
(DIR) Post #AjafK9fwmmtVvq2XwW by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-04T14:59:55Z
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@fedwards9965 @HarbingerOfSalem @iam_jfnklstrm I never said anything about this helping today because we weren't talking about today. We were talking about a hypothetical future and whether the right should be banned from voting in said future. I think today leftists should start trying to create a leftist coalition so that in the future, a large enough coalition will exist to actually make a significant impact.
(DIR) Post #Ajafa8wBIXiOHAG0Ke by meowski
2024-07-04T15:02:52.522984Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @fedwards9965 @iam_jfnklstrm "cancer should make more cancer until we win by taking over the host"
(DIR) Post #AjagBAgdkzWiPqe0sC by fedwards9965@mastodon.online
2024-07-04T15:05:14Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @HarbingerOfSalem @iam_jfnklstrm I'm in my mid-50s and have no kids.The future is nice and all, but I'm concerned with right now, and right now I see the right-wing as an immediate growing real existential threat.
(DIR) Post #AjagBBn3ecFpq2eeW0 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-04T15:09:31Z
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@fedwards9965 @HarbingerOfSalem @iam_jfnklstrm It's not wise to only think about right now. A lack of a clear and concise plan to deal with the right-wing in the future will only further guarantee that they continue to succeed because they definitely are thinking about what they'll do in the future. In fact, that is why we're in the mess we're in now with Trump, because leftist in America, for whatever reasons, didn't plan and prepare for the future.
(DIR) Post #AjagUrN1HiKSIZr5JA by fedwards9965@mastodon.online
2024-07-04T15:13:05Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @HarbingerOfSalem @iam_jfnklstrm I never said ignore the future, Cat.But, you can't ignore the present either. The future, while it can probably be somewhat reasonably predicted, is still just an unknown.The present... well, it's the present, it's here and now.
(DIR) Post #AjagixuvjwlmeqRVVQ by fedwards9965@mastodon.online
2024-07-04T15:15:34Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @HarbingerOfSalem @iam_jfnklstrm @nus And, sorry guysI gotta leave this... I have to go on-site for work.
(DIR) Post #AjahVC10cwEoHYHa64 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-07-04T15:24:21Z
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@fedwards9965 @HarbingerOfSalem @iam_jfnklstrm The future is unknown, but human behavior and society follow certain patterns that can be learned, and learning these patterns, determining the consequences of them, and making plans that will divert society from the negative consequences as much as possible is how we can prevent what's happening now with the right-wing populist movement from happening in the future. But I agree, it's very important to focus on the present as well.