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(DIR) Post #AjXTvN5c5tlxKD93uS by BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online
2024-07-03T02:07:42Z
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When we talk about telemetry, if it is opt-in and you are fully informed of what data is going to be collected and the implications of that data. For all I care take a retina scan and a DNA sample, if you understand what you're giving up it's your choice to make.
(DIR) Post #AjXUM1j5d8wIt2JunQ by dutch_connection_uk@mastodo.neoliber.al
2024-07-03T02:11:19Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I would be okay with opt-out if the facts of the matter are clearly stated in an installer or first time setup screen. Opt-in telemetry can be worse than useless since you select for more technical users that understand the value telemetry has in dealing with UI issues, but it shouldn't just be enabled by default with people completely clueless about it either. And if someone was collecting my retina scan with telemetry, I'd be concerned.
(DIR) Post #AjXVFC8AeF6d5CMEhk by BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online
2024-07-03T02:22:00Z
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@dutch_connection_uk I think it depends on how you do the opt-in, for Fedora's plan you will be required to actively select whether you want telemetry or not and that gives the devs a chance to explain to the non technical users the value in providing this data.The retina scan was just an example, the point was if you consent do whatever you want.
(DIR) Post #AjXW2EGnU2JxuHm3Cy by mks_h@mstdn.social
2024-07-03T02:30:45Z
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@BrodieOnLinux @dutch_connection_uk I wonder what would be a good term for it, so we can skip having this conversation over and over. Maybe "active opt-in"? But, technically, it should be more like "opt-either".
(DIR) Post #AjXXF9DBhWPZwCoFyC by BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online
2024-07-03T02:44:24Z
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@mks_h @dutch_connection_uk That's interesting, I've never really thought it needed a term but it probably would be useful
(DIR) Post #AjXZugg6NWdRVsGlOq by wer2@mstdn.plus
2024-07-03T03:14:44Z
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@BrodieOnLinux sometimes the issue is it is fine now, but governments change, companies get bought, collection changes without notice. Sure, data is "anonymous", but we are all human, we make mistakes and introduce bugs. Data leaks, or worse, the collection itself introduces a vulnerability. All very melodramatic stuff.But really, can a non-technical user really give informed consent?
(DIR) Post #AjXa7gnPFfOBdvsyga by BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online
2024-07-03T03:16:54Z
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@wer2 I should also add if any changes are made you are then further informed of those changes and preferably you are required to re-decide if you want to allow the telemetry still
(DIR) Post #AjXai3EzHOjrgC7pbs by wer2@mstdn.plus
2024-07-03T03:23:53Z
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@BrodieOnLinux that definitely helps. Also, I am somewhat flexible based on context. For example, if I do something on the web, I assume it is public, and collection is more free game. If I use an offline application, I am not expecting it to send that I typed 80085 into the calculator 27 times back home.
(DIR) Post #AjXbIseRc6cXYGatkW by Airradda@fosstodon.org
2024-07-03T03:30:25Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Some things will list what they will collect in words, but what I want is a "see more" option that gives me an example of the JSON, API call, or whatever that would be sent by my machine. TLDR; Give me the nerdy details.
(DIR) Post #AjXge8BVYWnJZz0n2G by Linux_in_a_Bit@linuxrocks.online
2024-07-03T04:30:19Z
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@BrodieOnLinux DNA is a bit of a weird one because you can expose everyone out to about your 3rd cousins, but otherwise I agree with that take.
(DIR) Post #AjXx9wF95U254qtzNo by rockpick@mastodon.social
2024-07-03T07:35:08Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I agree. But it rarely is opt-in, and you're rarely ever fully informed of what data is collected, and the implications and how exactly the algorithm uses the data are trade secrets. You're only given vague ideas. And generally the ToS change too frequently to fully keep up to date.