Post AjUtS2NQ2WBy1OGbfU by mu@thebag.social
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(DIR) Post #AjUsddNMiaKS0HCwE4 by sun@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T20:00:53.242960Z
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how do you even get started learning music like notes and shit
(DIR) Post #AjUsomVP7AL5VJHcBs by J@cawfee.club
2024-07-01T20:02:54.364325Z
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@sun Idk, I can play a bit but Idk how I'd teach. I can just identify it by ear.
(DIR) Post #AjUswII3L2Y46qcX4q by AWIVR@poa.st
2024-07-01T20:02:33.914321Z
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@sun duolingo has music now
(DIR) Post #AjUswJdMLJBaHDb3vU by sun@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T20:04:15.446268Z
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@AWIVR wat
(DIR) Post #AjUsyeigusbiFkCrrs by sun@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T20:04:41.259217Z
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@solidsanek I am going to do this by learning a tracker program.
(DIR) Post #AjUszBfePCmcRs2PD6 by why@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T20:04:47.361943Z
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@sun music theory like making music, or just basic reading music notation?
(DIR) Post #AjUt1CZc1LE3pLAqeW by sun@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T20:05:08.891030Z
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@why making music.
(DIR) Post #AjUt3IZQh8K70Q5XPs by ilja@ilja.space
2024-07-01T20:04:38.850517Z
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@sun i looked for a piano lessons book on tpb. when younger i tried bass and guitar, but those books where always "oh you don't actually need to know notes to play", so they didn't really fulfill my desire in that regard. the piano book gave me the insights i was looking for and it's not even that hard just to get the basics.
(DIR) Post #AjUt457oAcLNawXffM by sun@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T20:05:39.666222Z
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@why I am starting to notice the structure of music so I think it's time to latch onto the moment and learn how to make it.
(DIR) Post #AjUt5FVj2eFy5yHmwS by mischievoustomato@rebased.taihou.website
2024-07-01T20:05:48.871953Z
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i hope you'll post about that, I wanna learn music too, but all I have is my computer.
(DIR) Post #AjUt86deU6ldRoM7N2 by J@cawfee.club
2024-07-01T20:06:24.167071Z
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@sun I mean for notes there’s an objective way you make them. I was thinking about tuning to key.
(DIR) Post #AjUt9OT7g5sb2K2q48 by mrsaturday@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T20:06:38.138822Z
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@sun Piano lessons. If you don't want to spring for those, get a cheap keyboard and find a way to learn on your own.
(DIR) Post #AjUtBxyUdeRpjewdXM by RehnSturm256@shota.house
2024-07-01T20:07:02.161375Z
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@sun what instrument? As a wee lad I started with this book, moved onward from there.
(DIR) Post #AjUtDABqhv6JuVlLd2 by mu@thebag.social
2024-07-01T20:07:12.908703Z
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i'm a big fan of LSDJ.
(DIR) Post #AjUtEvJ314coKOy8Tw by sun@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T20:07:37.704756Z
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@mu @solidsanek I will learn it yeah. I wonder if there's a guide that's like "how to learn music using a tracker"
(DIR) Post #AjUtFq6bpzXmUKaVVY by why@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T20:07:48.008438Z
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@sun get ready to basically learn a new version of math that does not follow mathematical laws in any sensible way
(DIR) Post #AjUtHvyH067TG7ggYy by sun@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T20:08:10.188601Z
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@why great just great
(DIR) Post #AjUtIaTWPKsmsccCp6 by meso@the.asbestos.cafe
2024-07-01T20:08:17.185532Z
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@sun @why this happened to me but no one ever explains how the notes and shit work
(DIR) Post #AjUtRAfzhExrTMXg7k by sun@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T20:09:50.441884Z
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@mrsaturday I have a keyboard so I can use that
(DIR) Post #AjUtS2NQ2WBy1OGbfU by mu@thebag.social
2024-07-01T20:08:45.525838Z
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Sabrepulse's tutorial covers all the basics you need to get started.
(DIR) Post #AjUtY56ineecECL4Cm by augustus@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T20:11:05.315735Z
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@sun stay off my turf fucker
(DIR) Post #AjUtYI54Z63kSqfQwK by sun@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T20:11:07.391556Z
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@mu @solidsanek thank you! I got some guides to using Adlib Tracker II also
(DIR) Post #AjUtawOvctO85vDbeq by sun@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T20:11:36.337343Z
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@augustus if this is anythign like computers I'll have it mastered in a day. You better watch out.
(DIR) Post #AjUtdZ9eVp1KrkKCye by why@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T20:12:05.238121Z
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@mrsaturday @sun i was taught piano at a young age but picked up on zero music theory ideas. learning guitar recently has given me more familiarity with chord progressions and like augmenting things. since guitar notation often just summarizes by chord name you are incentivized to memorize what the chord IS and not just where your fingers have to be. or maybe its just my adult brain is more willing to accept music theory concepts
(DIR) Post #AjUuFuxpsEXBVj5Lhw by mrsaturday@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T20:19:01.147862Z
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@why @sun That's fair. I figured piano was a good starting point because it's very much a WYSIWYG instrument as far as what you do and what the notes say to do on paper. I can see how it'd have its disadvantages over what you have to learn with other instruments, though.
(DIR) Post #AjUuYEpckGxOLDypcm by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T20:22:19.662507Z
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@sun CC @augustus
(DIR) Post #AjUuZNsaaiW2gyuhbU by AWIVR@poa.st
2024-07-01T20:22:25.377867Z
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@sun blog.duolingo.com/music-course/
(DIR) Post #AjUub7fXpeFkzndoGW by augustus@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T20:22:50.861812Z
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@sun you could probably make decent electronic music, that would vibe well with having computer-brain. look into retriggering if you get into trackers
(DIR) Post #AjUugi2u0mWZGRELi4 by Christmas_Man@thebag.social
2024-07-01T20:23:48.692186Z
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Only one way to Start: hot crossed buns and a recorder
(DIR) Post #AjUuissygDnfSkcpU0 by sun@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T20:24:14.597059Z
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@augustus I am going to start with trackers and see if I can avoid actually learning how to use the piano at all because I want to focus on composition not on experties at playing. I am only really interested in electronic sound so I won't ever miss how great real instruments sound.
(DIR) Post #AjUuko1xhah6z4kBVY by 0@gh0st.live
2024-07-01T20:24:19.202888Z
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@sun @augustus I make the orangery, you make the symphony, leave augustus with shitposts. Heartless.
(DIR) Post #AjUumh1eiWy7q0V5m4 by sun@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T20:24:55.645017Z
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@AWIVR wow this is perfect, thank you.
(DIR) Post #AjUuzwEpT8KWmbyhn6 by guizzy@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T20:27:20.244454Z
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@sun I learned it in high school, look for solfège classes/learning material.If you want to learn in a more practical context, learn piano. It is the one instrument to learn if you want to learn music as a whole.
(DIR) Post #AjUvJpqivqGklCBsXY by augustus@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T20:30:55.711989Z
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@sun learn the diatonic chords, and then realize you only ever need I IV and V. I can listen to the most complicated Chopin piece ever and its always just i iv V erry time
(DIR) Post #AjUvQpPQy0JbQElDG4 by guizzy@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T20:32:11.834910Z
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@mrsaturday @why @sun Piano is great for general "music" learning because it's complete. It covers the whole staff, it does notes and chords, keys, it covers melody, rhythm, accompaniment, it can cover almost any part in any song. You can also play most songs in a way that feels "complete" on your own on the piano.I tried to (well, keyboard, but pretty much the same conceptually), but I never could learn it, it feels way too overwhelming to me.
(DIR) Post #AjUvadankufffYksO8 by mrsaturday@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T20:33:58.054234Z
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@guizzy @sun @why I took lessons for a few years but stopped before high school.
(DIR) Post #AjUvfwEVsVKQvhrDpA by why@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T20:34:55.537100Z
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@mrsaturday @sun people learn differently, so it makes sense different instruments will do this. sheet music to me was very "just do it this way" and not helpful in telling me WHY it is that way, or how else i could play it. but i see that all the time reading guitar tabs
(DIR) Post #AjUwKRhOJBQ86PgEwy by why@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T20:42:14.565746Z
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@guizzy @mrsaturday @sun yeah maybe if you just want to reproduce noise thats already written down. performances to me are more a presentation of skill, and true skill is understanding the juice that makes it good. you can certainly learn to jam with a piano, but idk man we dont need more weird jazz hipsters in the world
(DIR) Post #AjUy7BliQQXKq6Vdvk by JollyWizard@poa.st
2024-07-01T20:57:28.855259Z
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@sun @augustus bad idea imo. trackers are very complicated and a hard way to learn. use FL studio. it's nerd oriented and not tied to musician / theory thinking. it's very visual and easy to pirate.start with loops. move on to copy paste change. then get into effects. then just practice experimenting with the keyboard. start using it to record your riffs, then move on to jamming over looksi know most people who use this method have fun and develop a portfolio. most people who try to learn music theory give up fairly fast and do more work then have fun. I recorded this song one take in the middle of the night. it's not even one of my better ones, but I did this with minimal formal and theory training. just years of having fun. I couldn't tell you a single thing about what key or scale or anything.on.soundcloud.com/GAV1Valso, stick to just the white or just the black keys if you have trouble staying in key. you can then use transpose (+/-1 shift) to change key.
(DIR) Post #AjUy7CiCuxKBlVsM6K by augustus@shitposter.world
2024-07-01T21:02:14.895379Z
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@JollyWizard @sun theory is just a formal language to describe what's happening and helps people reason about it. that track you linked sounds like its mostly pentatonic improv. everyone has their own way of approaching music and there is no correct or incorrect way imo
(DIR) Post #AjWQfdlVpevTOFafS4 by JollyWizard@poa.st
2024-07-02T13:45:48.270205Z
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@augustus @sun Agreed, especially on the JUST, and that's why I always try to warn people when they are interested in music that it is not the only path.many people have this idea that theory is fundamental to being a musician and learning music. many people get a little exposure to theory and start to think well I could never be a real musician then, because it would be too far a path to travel.my development in making music was held back for many years because I struggled trying to apply theory and practice traditional techniques, and I am fairly nerd brain. I have seen so many people give up on music going the traditional theory and rote practice based path. and I know from experience that, as cool and interesting as they are, that trackers are just a hard way to reason about music, especially as a beginner, and a hard way to sequence music more complex than single loops. I would recommend them over study theory first, but not by much.I personally think products like synthesia, and Rocksmith 2014 (now abandoned but piratable) are much better path to developing physical music skills than traditional lessons or theory study. but at the end of the day, an agile and visually experimental path is the most friendly to beginners who aren't focused on tangible skills. That's why I like and recommend FL studio, especially newer versions, while many prefer more musician friendly or simplified takes on the process. I think it is the best avenue for starting out from a fresh pallette, offers the most versatile options for changing modes of development, and acclimates you to all of the DAW skills that would be more streamlined in other software for specific modes of thinking.People who already have some training already would probably be best to consider something like reaper, which is less complex and streamlined towards their existing process.People who are toy players are probably best to get into ACID or Ableton, but those are hard to get into for free and are best if you have invested in the toys already, imo.
(DIR) Post #AjWS8018nE2OSxzFZ2 by augustus@shitposter.world
2024-07-02T14:13:15.896409Z
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@JollyWizard @sun I have no formal training in theory but I could probably pass the grade 4 or 5 exam based on test results I got the accrediting body's site. I defend theory because people should have high standards and at some point need to stop being afraid of it and git gud. it should never come first though, it should always be a post-hoc language for describing what was made by divine spark
(DIR) Post #AjWiK3BqQC3R30lILw by JollyWizard@poa.st
2024-07-02T17:12:06.383416Z
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@augustus @sun It definitely has it's place and value, and I think you were spot on to point out I-IV-V. Learning the difference between chord composition bias and chord progression bias was a big shift for me in improving improve and reducing failed experiment time.I personally am very focused on making new and non-traditional music, that is not intended to be performed, so things like audio synthesis / modelling, effects chaining, and other production techniques are much more valuable to me for my development. Because its hard to revisit and rework songs, I try to focus on fast and intuitive techniques to produce songs in a single session and ways to take improv and develop it further.More recently, since discovering Fruity Patcher, I've delved more into midi routing, which can create fun complex compositions, but requires a bit more finesse and coordination than ad hoc synthesizer playing. The theory has been very helpful there in reducing failed experiments and keeping things on track.People who are interested in playing in a band or playing existing songs benefit the most from theory. Because if you can't reason about the song, it's much harder to learn and perform it.