Post AjBysujubrTdSOnaNc by katachora@hachyderm.io
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(DIR) Post #AjBt9DT499UkRyJEtk by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-06-22T16:06:20Z
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“We ignored accessibility for eight years and still ship with a broken screen reader but you’re the asshole for calling us out on it.“– Sincerely, the folks at Fedora and GNOMEI’m actually at the point where I’m wondering why I’m on this platform and whether I’m actually doing more harm than good by showcasing it in my videos and talks and screenshots, etc., given this toxic culture.But does a better free alternative even exist? *sigh*#ableism #fedora #GNOME #wayland #a11y #accessibility
(DIR) Post #AjBtO4ff8RoTVkHnto by fl0_id@mastodon.social
2024-06-22T16:09:19Z
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@aral I don’t rly wanna get involved, but I think for many ppl it might not be so much the ‚calling out‘ but the way you do it. If someone screams at someone, they are more likely to scream back, independent of merit. But probably others told you similar things already, so sry for bothering you with it.
(DIR) Post #AjBtXAq7ZNIXFVW7VI by sumokirby@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-06-22T16:10:54Z
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@aral Who called you an asshole?
(DIR) Post #AjBu8rK0aLDPifSyPI by ladyerrant@mastodon.social
2024-06-22T16:17:40Z
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@aral what I dont get is how you put up with the bullshit in your replies.
(DIR) Post #AjBuG2pyAYBzSeqHVQ by ed@livellosegreto.it
2024-06-22T16:19:02Z
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@aral sadly it's not a matter of platform, but culture.I LOVE Open Source, but sometimes the communities and people can be unnecessarily harsh. This is the main drawback when participating in this world (and it's a big one).
(DIR) Post #AjBvB5qzctdPK5WXey by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-06-22T16:29:19Z
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@ladyerrant I have a block button and I make copious use of it :)
(DIR) Post #AjBvIYEMWIq9MM0jE8 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-06-22T16:30:05Z
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@pinkdrunkenelephants Canonical are also shipping Ubuntu with a broken screen reader.
(DIR) Post #AjBvMfDoT8uwCUiOH2 by Andres@mastodon.hardcoredevs.com
2024-06-22T16:31:11Z
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@aral @ladyerrant This is the way.
(DIR) Post #AjBvQCNddvu1uNzpUe by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-06-22T16:31:14Z
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@sumokirby I was summarising. They also didn’t say “we ignored accessibility for eight years”
(DIR) Post #AjBvURQZdhWLjeOO5A by mildpeach@mstdn.social
2024-06-22T16:31:34Z
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@aral One of my tender subject concerning Linux. It is built by techies for techies and not for your average user.Yes, someone probably got the app you want running on one of the 40,000 flavors of the distro you use so they felt justified packaging it for the distro. Will it work for most people? That is the ultimate question.I just put up a Debian media server and no one has a functional blu-ray player. Go figure. Only a million movies you can't watch...
(DIR) Post #AjBvice6j7dIaAU6iG by glitzersachen@hachyderm.io
2024-06-22T16:35:10Z
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@aral @pinkdrunkenelephants Should they ship with no screen reader instead?Because they're in the business of packaging, not necessarily fixing, not fundamentally.So the real a-holes are probably the authors of the screen-reader, aren't they?And I wonder why they are not fixing their stuff... Any insights on this?
(DIR) Post #AjBw1fNcmlB4Z2r7U8 by sumokirby@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-06-22T16:38:52Z
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@aral I find it's better to assume good intentions, especially when it comes to open source.
(DIR) Post #AjBw51UD3G2DzhXJcu by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-06-22T16:39:24Z
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@glitzersachen @pinkdrunkenelephants OK, clearly you’re choosing not to understand the problem. Take care + goodbye.
(DIR) Post #AjBw8w5p2tuiQQzlqq by ColinHaynes@mastodon.scot
2024-06-22T16:40:02Z
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@aral the most recent Linux After Dark podcast (ep. 72) was very interesting on this subject. Worth a listen.
(DIR) Post #AjBwIbwKpSpmolAfMe by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-06-22T16:41:52Z
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@sumokirby https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/112647473375947331
(DIR) Post #AjBwZaSHbPTB8UD2DQ by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-06-22T16:45:00Z
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@ColinHaynes Ah yes, I got pinged about this before – listening now, thanks for the reminder :)
(DIR) Post #AjBwveqhwjqh8O9rDE by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-06-22T16:48:52Z
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@aylamz I criticised an accessibility shortcoming. I haven’t harassed anyone. Unlike, for example… https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/112647473375947331Now go away.
(DIR) Post #AjBxqPtCEtlfF9O29Q by sumokirby@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-06-22T16:59:09Z
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@aral I've drilled down through these threads and I don't understand the anger. Jeremy and others are on the same side as you.OSS is the work of volunteers and passionate people. These people are trying their best.
(DIR) Post #AjBy7XTjHAPzhhdgtk by ekaitz_zarraga@mastodon.social
2024-06-22T17:02:17Z
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@aral in my timeline i could find your message and also this one with just a couple of toots in between:https://news.itsfoss.com/red-hat-accessibility-gnome/
(DIR) Post #AjBysujubrTdSOnaNc by katachora@hachyderm.io
2024-06-22T17:10:44Z
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@aral 1. It's commendable how you're not suffering assholes. 2. Forgive me if this is already recorded as part of the saga, but a question: is the screen reader broken, or is this (yet another) case of Weyland being an insufficiently functional replacement for X, or are the program and the display server collaborating to be broken?
(DIR) Post #AjBz6Rt8fsNQ1yZIkC by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-06-22T17:13:16Z
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@katachora Basically, due to the way Wayland works, the global modifier key required to control Orca doesn’t work. So you cannot control the screen reader in Orca.The folks at Fedora have been shipping Fedora with Wayland by default for eight years with a broken screen reader.
(DIR) Post #AjC0v8UaeDIEb9or1E by arh@expressional.social
2024-06-22T17:33:39Z
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@aral The platform is (relatively) independent from the people. You learn, always the hard way, that there is an insane number of people who are trying to make your day worse, whether they (we) realize it or not.
(DIR) Post #AjC40MwAfXz0hzuI2C by JNogueira@fosstodon.org
2024-06-22T18:08:16Z
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@aral Wayland was made default way too early for most of these major distros. Even valve don't fully support it because it has missing capabilities that X had. I can understand Arch and other rolling distros switching when they did but it baffles me the speed at which fedora and debian made the switch over.
(DIR) Post #AjC7HXXwmEWUOkSJg8 by katachora@hachyderm.io
2024-06-22T18:44:53Z
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@aral Thank you. Commentary --- It's pretty sad how the Red Hat ecosystem (by that I mean red hat, rhel, fedora, centos distros and the gnome/freedesktop/systemd framework) continues to lumber along. It has never really been "good" compared to the alternatives and yet still managed to be the face of Linux (at least in the US corpo & gov circles).
(DIR) Post #AjCQqyOIrNwOv3YQ6a by petruchio@mastodon.social
2024-06-22T22:24:09Z
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@aral God, could you please stop spamming the #gnome hashtag with your immature whining? Do you get off on bashing gnome and its developers or something? (Or you could block me like you've apparently blocked a bunch of others—at least then you should stop appearing in my feeds.)