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(DIR) Post #AjA9X0B1B0CsYtOjYW by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-21T20:01:13Z
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Here are 3 reasons why I don't like identity politics:1. Identity politics often diverts focus from economic inequality and the class struggle.2. Identity politics is often reformist, not revolutionary.3. Identity politics can easily be co-opted by capitalism for profit and appeasement.In short, I dislike identity politics for sidelining class solidarity and economic critique, prioritizing specific identity issues and reforms under capitalism instead of revolution.
(DIR) Post #AjAKhlGjI4j1ZfJf04 by EndlessMason@hachyderm.io
2024-06-21T22:06:24Z
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@Radical_EgoComI haven't seen a lot of Revolution, are there some smaller measures that revolutionaries could put in place to improve folks' situations before then?
(DIR) Post #AjALsfceivy9CaKzi4 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-21T22:19:36Z
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@EndlessMason This may sound contradictory to the above post, but such things as increasing wages, improving working conditions, providing universal health care/education, etc, can improve people's current situation. I'm not against "reforms" that benefit the working-class, I'm against "reformism", which seeks to patch up the flaws of capitalism without seeking to abolish the system.
(DIR) Post #AjAMPCKIfOkhtkGJd2 by EndlessMason@hachyderm.io
2024-06-21T22:25:27Z
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@Radical_EgoComHow can you tell if someone wants to adjust policy to improve the situation of a group of people just for the sake of it or because it will harm the system?
(DIR) Post #AjAN0GDLAucIfcgCp6 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-21T22:32:10Z
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@EndlessMason You would have to judge that based on what they claim to support and whether it aligns with their actions.
(DIR) Post #AjAQPyz2A20ScbwdVY by jedes_jahr_ein_neues_protokoll@troet.cafe
2024-06-21T23:10:24Z
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@Radical_EgoCom so what about class in itself and class for itself? Isn't that transformation archieved by identity politics of the worker's movement?
(DIR) Post #AjARCm9aeMqv1L9HRA by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-21T23:19:15Z
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@jedes_jahr_ein_neues_protokoll Even though identity politics does address specific forms of oppression, true working class liberation requires transcending identity politics and uniting the working class across all identities under a common struggle against capitalism.
(DIR) Post #AjARy6j9yWdWRIM7Dk by jedes_jahr_ein_neues_protokoll@troet.cafe
2024-06-21T23:27:48Z
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@Radical_EgoCom united with a purpose, a common conception of their self and their task. Hmmm, what could you call this idea? :mastostuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
(DIR) Post #AjASDI7TtwDW7DyKH2 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-21T23:30:33Z
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@jedes_jahr_ein_neues_protokoll I would call this a "collective identity."
(DIR) Post #AjAd2wOeuWuBLKH2PI by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-22T01:31:51Z
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@MxSpoon I have no problem with intersectionality between feminism and the class struggle. My main grievance is with how the intersectional feminist movement overly focuses on identity politics and detracts from the central focus of class struggle and economic analysis.
(DIR) Post #AjBN9YQr0M0Cw8ON4i by Kahte@masto.bike
2024-06-22T10:08:31Z
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@Radical_EgoCom :blobcatheart: :liGNUx:
(DIR) Post #AjBNOCE9qNMePhR3Lc by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-22T10:11:12Z
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@Kahte :BlobhajfBlobbyHug: :BlobhajHeart:
(DIR) Post #AjBPQIk2nKBn6YTuSW by nlupo@xno.social
2024-06-22T10:33:57Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @MxSpoon this was my only issue, because many people conflate intersectionality with identity politics. Thanks for the clarification.
(DIR) Post #AjBPnr7b8YXKOOjKs4 by nlupo@xno.social
2024-06-22T10:38:14Z
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@Radical_EgoCom Identity politics distrupts the possible comrodery in the working class and weakens their struggle, atomizing them more and more.
(DIR) Post #AjBR4hKisnOouaSpxA by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-22T10:52:25Z
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@fox I'm not against an intersection between class struggles and other struggles, but any approach that doesn't prioritize the class struggle against capitalism could inadvertently end up being co-opted by capitalism and perpetuating it instead (such examples include Green Capitalism and Rainbow Capitalism).
(DIR) Post #AjBRkYCdDhpYkxdW7M by dzwiedziu@mastodon.social
2024-06-22T11:00:02Z
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@Radical_EgoCom And all three of them are wonky.Ad 1: @MxSpoon introduced intersect-feminism. I'll drive this point further. Often econ-inequality is combined with minority status. See: patriarchy, ableism, queerphobia.Ad 2: @fox nailed it.Ad 3: Anything can be co-opted by capitalism. It's called recuperation. And the b-class trying to divide the w-class by putting the white worker against the immigrant, man against queer, etc.We need some kind of idpol to counter this.
(DIR) Post #AjBdn3vFSP4JA7TAqu by EndlessMason@hachyderm.io
2024-06-22T13:14:58Z
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@Radical_EgoComUnfortunately cooption is easy and profitable to do https://www.amazon.com/Socialism-Shirts/s?k=Socialism+Shirts@fox
(DIR) Post #AjCgLnCg0HgcVlGn0i by facsimile_willows@veganism.social
2024-06-23T01:18:21Z
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@Radical_EgoCom I recall reading through the RCI's manifesto after seeing one of the posts you had boosted about them, and found myself a bit put off by their comments on "identity politics".I do not even necessarily like it myself, but I have found a lot of the time that the very words "identity politics" are often used to undermine struggles that marginalized people go through. Whenever I see a complaint about "identity politics", it's almost always about how these movements are dividing us, when we should be focusing on ending capitalism.I think that an anti-capitalist stance is very important in any social movement, but the way the RCI seems to treat the struggles that certain marginalized groups are going through as though they are distractions to a larger goal came across as highly ignorant to me. The movements are not obstacles nor distractions. It is important that they are here. The end of oppression and exploitation is intersectional.
(DIR) Post #AjCgo9LfGLRtIizn5k by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-23T01:23:23Z
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@facsimile_willows I read through the entire Manifesto myself, and the RCI doesn't seem to be against dealing with such problems as racism, sexism, homophobia, etc, but they seem to be specifically against how the liberal identity politics movement overshadows the class struggle and how reformist the movement seems to be even when the class struggle is brought up by them.
(DIR) Post #AjChRbZkFU5A8iOZd2 by facsimile_willows@veganism.social
2024-06-23T01:30:37Z
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@Radical_EgoCom I am not a fan of liberal identity politics either. Perhaps it is possible I simply misinterpreted their words, but their is something about the phrasing to me that signals certain alarms I have developed from people who seem to look at intersectionality as nothing but a petty bourgeoisie construct.If I happen to find evidence in the future that justifies these feelings more concretely, I will get back to you.
(DIR) Post #AjXXiYQh1LPQY09HcG by facsimile_willows@veganism.social
2024-07-03T02:50:34Z
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@Radical_EgoCom I was debating whether or not to update you with this, but this is what I found on the RCI's stance regarding intersectionality: https://www.marxist.com/marxism-vs-intersectionality.htmAside from a handful of fundamental misunderstandings about what concepts like structural oppression and privilege are discussing, it is not as ostensibly problematic as I was expecting--and even if I disagree with their analysis and conclusion--I appreciated their attempts at nuance. I was worried that I would find something much more scathing, like the views found in organizations like Red Youth (https://redyouth.org/red-youth/against-intersectionality-a-warning-to-young-communists/)