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(DIR) Post #Aj6AtJhWaZh0o9y2XA by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-19T21:57:31Z
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Is this a creepy idea for a school assignment or a cool idea?Make Your Own Doomsday LibraryYou are going to live in space, or in a bunker and you will only have the materials you can assemble on a 1GB hard drive. Make a list of the books and materials you would bring and assemble your emergency library. Optional: Create a device for reading your library that will last as long as possible. It's an interesting exercise and might even be useful.
(DIR) Post #Aj6BlIp24ZQXigDnPs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-19T22:07:17Z
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I think if I'd been asked to make something like this as a teen I'd really treasure it as an adult. Though when I was a teen it would have been "You have 64 MB"
(DIR) Post #Aj6BrRjtpchl75kZoO by geonz@mathstodon.xyz
2024-06-19T22:08:21Z
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@futurebird ... it would depend on the individual ... my *first thought* was "eww, creepy!!" .... but I also cringe at rephrasing it like "you're on a reality TV survivor show, only it's pretty real, and ...."
(DIR) Post #Aj6Byb3jZwnG2tRAjQ by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-19T22:09:39Z
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@burnoutqueen Maybe. Though I think the most interesting items would be the texts that people choose to keep. With a TB it's tempting to just throw a bunch of junk in there.
(DIR) Post #Aj6C0BkKf9687O7Zjc by ryanrandall@hcommons.social
2024-06-19T22:09:42Z
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@futurebird From my experience as an instruction librarian, whether or not it's "creepy" would probably ultimately be with each individual learner?When zombies were really popular (in the years before the COVID pandemic began), I and some of the other librarians at my community college would frequently have students select and find one book that would help them survive a zombie attack. We'd give them a ten minute time limit and really try to ham it up, pretending we'd just gotten word from a big cineplex down the street that an outbreak had started in a film showing, etc, etc.It helped make basic skills (search, selection, retrieval from the shelves, evaluation of what did or didn't work, presentation of ideas) a lot more compelling and less stressful than waiting until an actual assignment was at stake.Most students enjoyed it, or at least participated without rolling their eyes!
(DIR) Post #Aj6C2GlAzdQGFMVZSa by susiemagoo@mstdn.social
2024-06-19T22:09:46Z
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@futurebird I think about this and turn to paper, and mostly song lyrics, so I can sing songs for myself, and not get mad at not remembering lyrics. This is actually for any severe event where we don’t have power for a long time. I need to make my lyric book and put it in the emergency go bag. Earthquakes, tornadoes, and floods, oh my.
(DIR) Post #Aj6C4QcdISD1PfXdkO by peterrenshaw@ioc.exchange
2024-06-19T22:10:28Z
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@futurebird for me, “You have 64 Kb” ☺️
(DIR) Post #Aj6C5ff6rcwULeICnY by harmonygritz@mastodon.social
2024-06-19T22:10:31Z
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@futurebird Is it about materials for physical survival, or is it books for intellect & the soul? Or would you have each student decide? Hmm hmmEither way, I think it's in the "great for kids, scary for admins & parents" category depending on grade level. So yes, proceed. I'd be gathering my version of "the great books" Henry Bemis-style, not tech manuals. But that's just me.
(DIR) Post #Aj6CC9TevMe0YY1jlI by rejinl@masto.nyc
2024-06-19T22:12:08Z
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@futurebird I'd hate to be stuck with the library I would have assembled as a teen, when I only knew writers my teachers introduced me to. But it would be a good exercise for thinking about what material is important and why.
(DIR) Post #Aj6CHrhjusFRAjKyrA by CliftonR@wandering.shop
2024-06-19T22:13:11Z
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@futurebird A little of both maybe?I enjoy thinking about such questions, but I'm now old and grizzled. (If not grisly, and probably gristly too.)The problem I see is: if that's a current tech hard drive will it be readable by *anything*? Is it *possible* to make something to read it other than via buying a device using current technology?A present day drive could not have been read by any hardware available in the 1990s or before, maybe not 2000s.
(DIR) Post #Aj6CPAetqM8nz6Ubp2 by aggualaqisaaq@mastodon.sdf.org
2024-06-19T22:14:27Z
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@futurebird This is an awesome idea. I've thought about this question myself on a number of occasions. But if I were preparing for the apocalypse, I would take only physical books, coz there's no way technology would work after armageddon. IRL, the past few years, I've been trying to make life as independent of computer technology as possible. At least for the stuff that matters most to me.
(DIR) Post #Aj6CZ6OYYB5HenaFs0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-19T22:16:17Z
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@aggualaqisaaq If I built my library now it'd be so many pdfs of papers about ants. Tons of math books. Those are things I look up all the time and it'd drive me crazy to not be able to find out the name of an ant, or not be able to read the paper where it was described.
(DIR) Post #Aj6CbXyEzoLllCRNxI by szescstopni@qoto.org
2024-06-19T22:16:34Z
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@futurebird Great idea. A chance to learn about various methods of preserving data for aeons. To learn about information triage. And more.
(DIR) Post #Aj6Cv1qY8ryDvA8IgC by aggualaqisaaq@mastodon.sdf.org
2024-06-19T22:20:11Z
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@futurebird Yup. It would be mostly math and science books for me too. Not just because it might be useful for survival, but because it's the sort of stuff you can keep coming back to over and over again and not get bored!
(DIR) Post #Aj6CyRB4Q0l1LuMASW by sbourne@mastodon.social
2024-06-19T22:20:20Z
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@futurebird I say go for it. It seems too distant to be creepy; not a whole lot different than putting together a "go bag" for environmental emergencies. You might want to give them some boundaries (no other information sources will be available versus omg what am I going to read/watch/listen to.)
(DIR) Post #Aj6D1toqO1jB3EbxAG by tofugolem@mastodon.social
2024-06-19T22:20:41Z
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@futurebird I'm torn between all the digital books I've already read, and all of the digital books that are in my library that I keep intending to read.There's room enough for both, but I'm fussing about this anyway.
(DIR) Post #Aj6DAEsby0vwgdLlJY by semitones@tiny.tilde.website
2024-06-19T22:15:02Z
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@peterrenshaw @futurebird how many of those cool demos / keygen tunes can you fit into 64 Kb?
(DIR) Post #Aj6DAFi0su3BG3OoQy by peterrenshaw@ioc.exchange
2024-06-19T22:22:45Z
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@futurebird @semitones how many software languages can you fit in 64Kb 😊
(DIR) Post #Aj6DmS9t2tN2sEeVdo by jessamyn@glammr.us
2024-06-19T22:17:21Z
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@ryanrandall @futurebird I like the idea! Yeah I think focusing on space or "desert island" options might make it less doomery for the people who might fall on the "this is creepy" side
(DIR) Post #Aj6DmSzzv93RTr27rk by ryanrandall@hcommons.social
2024-06-19T22:25:52Z
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@jessamyn @futurebird Yeah, I love the space or "desert island" options. When we introduced the idea, we made sure to spell out that they could interpret it as they'd like (and that it was an intentionally silly way to help them get comfortable with their library).Do they want to head for the hills and start a farm? Agriculture books are fine choices!Leaving the theme kind of open-ended probably helps reduce with the creepy factor a lot.
(DIR) Post #Aj6EeSVxwCM3cEjPsG by kd8bxp@mastodon.radio
2024-06-19T22:39:36Z
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@futurebird I think it's a good idea to have a plan, I'm not so sure it's a good idea to rely on any type of electronic device.
(DIR) Post #Aj6FHCjUY2OtxlX8RE by quixoticgeek@social.v.st
2024-06-19T22:46:39Z
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@futurebird I think any collection like this would need "The Knowledge" - Lewis Dartnell. Just in case.
(DIR) Post #Aj6FyWU6zE4XfszmNM by CynthesisToday@sfba.social
2024-06-19T22:54:29Z
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@futurebird Two SF books explore this idea. One is a series "The Heechee Saga" by Fredrick Pohl. Because of reasons, Heechee clan die off. Smart clans create a bunker of objects for their descendants to climb out of savagery. I can't remember the title of the 2nd book (maybe "The Earth Abides" by George R. Stewart) but the core idea is civilization starts to fail. A key character has diabetes and knows he will die soon, so he puts books into individual waterproof bags with desiccants then into barrels he distributes through the wilderness for others to eventually find. My list of books for the knowledge ark include "Practical Experiment Designs" by William J. Diamond. There won't be electricity, so there needs to be a book on how to make and use a slide rule. Probably a book on the movement of stars relative to the earth, plus others that create understanding of natural phenomenon. A read of Daniel Dennett's "Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon" might give an idea of other books.
(DIR) Post #Aj6GPtqSF1GvwbV5Iu by Rana@mastodon.nl
2024-06-19T22:59:21Z
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@futurebird That sounds like an absolute win for those who can compress files the best 🤩That could bring about a new era for the quality vs size files meta
(DIR) Post #Aj6HXfIgImgr6ayCGG by CynthesisToday@sfba.social
2024-06-19T23:12:02Z
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@futurebird My answer to your question is cool idea and it would be useful. I have 10 copies of the Diamond book bought off abebooks to start building 10 arks. I would love ideas for the slide rule book (maybe an abacus, too?) and other natural phenomenon books.
(DIR) Post #Aj6IHflgtWVHsSTdR2 by dotsandlines@c.im
2024-06-19T23:20:21Z
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@futurebird @burnoutqueen It could always be a two part assignment. “Did I say Terabyte? Sorry, I meant Gigabyte. Time to cull!”
(DIR) Post #Aj6Jc51GovdzwG3iWe by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2024-06-19T23:35:09Z
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@futurebird > Make Your Own Doomsday Library... Is this a creepy idea for a school assignment or a cool idea?Maybe a bit scary for primary students. But for high school seniors, it's exactly the kind of thing they need to prepare them for adulthood in a declining civilisation. John Michael Greer’s book The Ecotechnic Future would be a great set text in preparation for the exercise.
(DIR) Post #Aj6Jq0ITAxBJLVk8eG by WhiteCatTamer@mastodon.online
2024-06-19T23:37:44Z
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@futurebird “The first Mars colonists have woken up from hibernation with one week before landing only to discover that their entertainment computer died en route.Assuming you can send them XX kb/s of data, what would you send them and when?”
(DIR) Post #Aj6K3hCSyRqAAkSpf6 by KitsuneSeele@hachyderm.io
2024-06-19T23:40:12Z
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@futurebird In high school, we had an English teacher that asked us to write our own obituary. So this doesn't really strike me as odd.
(DIR) Post #Aj6KH5EGwgSMShgzi4 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-19T23:42:39Z
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@KitsuneSeele "You will be writing your own obituaries, then there will be an outdoor ... soil engineering project with the ground staff. This should save us all time-- I mean be very educational."
(DIR) Post #Aj6KXbHtWLnSWTGLWS by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-19T23:45:40Z
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@KitsuneSeele "Miss... did last year's senior class really all 'go upstate to college?'" :(
(DIR) Post #Aj6Kh2PE46G3EcBxfU by KitsuneSeele@hachyderm.io
2024-06-19T23:47:21Z
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@futurebird Ohhhh. Is that why we later had to watch a drunk driving assembly. On the football field, with two actual crashed cars, and an actual fire crew, using the jaws of life in real time. It was a two hour long assembly.
(DIR) Post #Aj6LZxGmrXhPETQnkO by Tengrain@mastodon.social
2024-06-19T23:57:15Z
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@futurebird ⬆️ We had an exercise: 5 people on a space mission and only oxygen for 4, so who do you airlock?I don’t remember what the point was (maybe which role you value most or something) but it was definitely creepy.Oh, and we were broken up into groups of 5 as I recall.
(DIR) Post #Aj6M25erGjCxMA6eOW by JeremyGraeme@furries.club
2024-06-20T00:02:18Z
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@futurebird I've basically done this, and call it a digital commonplace book. I also have an analog version of it at home where I basically copied down a bunch of short stories, short form reading material in to journals, and added that to a collection of books.
(DIR) Post #Aj6M3wnhAhbkSs7pdQ by notsoloud@expressional.social
2024-06-20T00:02:26Z
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@futurebirdIf you want to have a lot of texts accessible offline (like say, Wikipedia or Project Gutenberg) the tool already exist, it's called Kiwix:https://kiwix.org/en/
(DIR) Post #Aj6MClywlQcrWAb2cC by JeremyGraeme@furries.club
2024-06-20T00:04:18Z
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@futurebird Mind, it does require a little slight lawbreaking since I also popped the DRM off my books, since I'm presupposing a state where I can't get to Amazon or Google or Apple or whomever to reset the digital lock every X number of days as they do
(DIR) Post #Aj6MFD8klHBwKJLVMe by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-20T00:04:43Z
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@notsoloud It was thinking about how devices like this might be curated that got me thinking about this. On the one hand "all of wikipedia" is a great start... in other ways it's inadequate... so that skill of assembling a library of what you already love... and what you might need later is interesting to me.
(DIR) Post #Aj6MUWvpSXKK3Kbb72 by salgernon@mastodon.sdf.org
2024-06-20T00:07:11Z
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@CynthesisToday @futurebird “Earth Abides” - in the end, Ish realizes that all his preparation and schooling are being wasted, and he instead teaches his people how to make arrows instead of relying on scavenging. “A Canticle for Leibowitz” by Walter M. Miller Jr. is fun - based on the idea of religious orders preserving what scraps of knowledge they find even if they don't quite know what they are, and having that knowledge help bootstrap a technological resurgence.
(DIR) Post #Aj6MxeghhYK0VPQ1Gy by jhwgh1968@chaos.social
2024-06-20T00:12:45Z
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@futurebird my prediction as an autistic nerd:I think it is a creepy idea for a school assignment... which means it will speak to a lot of the nerdy kids who have anxieties about the future bc they actually read about things that adults are doing (and more important, not doing)Which means most of them will engage with it ❤️
(DIR) Post #Aj6OpukqHWV1vYn6Rc by notsoloud@expressional.social
2024-06-20T00:33:46Z
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@futurebirdThey do have some curated versions. Like Wikipedia for schools, 1.3 gig. Must be some interesting discussions behind the choices.More along your line of thinking:https://library.kiwix.org/#lang=eng&category=other&q=preppers
(DIR) Post #Aj6P17SnN21KWqh0Iy by Gorfram@beige.party
2024-06-20T00:35:45Z
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@futurebird In the novel “Balzac and the Little Chinese Seamstress,” some Chinese youths get sent to the countryside for “Re- education” during the Cultural Revolution; & wind up sharing a small suitcaseful of illicit Western novels. It got me wondering which novels of mine would be “suitcase-worthy;” & I assembled a small cache of books to hide under my bed in the unlikely event the Cultural Revolution came to Salem, Oregon, circa 2003. It was a really cool way…
(DIR) Post #Aj6P19vwBeWIBoLJ0S by Gorfram@beige.party
2024-06-20T00:35:45Z
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@futurebird …to think about my books & which were the most important to me. They were all important to me, of course, or else I wouldn’t have them; but it turns out those few were a bit more important than the rest.The original cache was fiction; but I later put together a set of non-fiction books to go in a hypothetical second, & of necessity larger, suitcase.
(DIR) Post #Aj6PnD4RpGOfosEfMO by seawall@mastodon.nz
2024-06-20T00:44:27Z
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@futurebird definitely depends on the kid, but I think my friends and I would have been intrigued (you teach tweens/early teens if I recall)
(DIR) Post #Aj6Q0l8kT4wzFShxgW by lewriley@mas.to
2024-06-20T00:46:56Z
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@futurebird This is so good. Part of the framing of the assignment might productively be to really think through what life might be like for the readers of the library, because that has a lot of implications for both its content and form.
(DIR) Post #Aj6QqKacQXqTxhKrTs by RenegadeSci@c.im
2024-06-20T00:56:10Z
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@futurebird It depends on the news of the week, so it is a fun idea. Or could it be framed as "you are going to a new planet!"
(DIR) Post #Aj6RHBLGuvsp6FxcDg by autolycos@med-mastodon.com
2024-06-20T01:01:04Z
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@futurebird computers crash and require energyHow about 150 books?
(DIR) Post #Aj6TNe637b35vU3B1k by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-20T01:24:42Z
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@autolycos I was hoping some of them would want to take a copy of the python source code and some of the other languages we've worked with...
(DIR) Post #Aj6YMOsohNtqDw5PcG by nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.social
2024-06-20T02:20:29Z
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@futurebird Can I compress them with 7-Zip or RAR on max? :DHonestly though, I'd prefer to just cheat and actually bring all of Wikipedia or something. Well, it would be incredibly hard to use it to build a civilization on (like the information is there, but figuring out how to extract and use it...) but it's probably the most complete thing us civilians have access to.(Would be convenient if we could also use a 70B LLM to help distill it, but also dangerous, so only in the hands of a few)
(DIR) Post #Aj6hv3byg2fLyRoJM0 by Farbs@mastodon.social
2024-06-20T04:07:34Z
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@futurebird I'm gonna need a C compiler, a copy of Kernighan & Ritchie, a lightweight text editor, and the rest of the hard drive free.
(DIR) Post #Aj6kFG46Hh9YIXj0N6 by CindyS@masto.nu
2024-06-20T04:33:37Z
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@futurebird Not a new game. Did this back in the day as an exercise about what you'd take to a "desert island". Not sure why you would want to make it doomsday since that is what's making it creepy.
(DIR) Post #Aj6v9s9uq3lECb4zYW by lufthans@mastodon.social
2024-06-20T06:35:53Z
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@futurebird The Martian covers going through the limited library people were able to take to space, so maybe just call it 5 years in space library and allow them to get updates at Voyager connection ratesRemind them they'll have to share the connection, so they only get it for a few hours a week