Post Aj5M8zOCmNs0mee9dg by Sean@liberal.city
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(DIR) Post #Aj5JNbXhQLgJIzMhBA by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-19T11:57:56Z
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It's only happened twice:Andrew Johnson refused to attend the inauguration of Ulysses S. Grant. Donald Trump refused to attend the inauguration of Joe Biden. Media have been stonewalled asking "Will you recognize the winner if not Trump?" I would like to hear this question asked. "If Biden wins in a free and fair election will you graciously attend the inauguration?"The current dodge is "you can't know if it will be fair, how can I answer that" OK, but if it *is* fair. What then?
(DIR) Post #Aj5Kl01AgurHpRrz6m by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-19T12:13:22Z
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I know the answer is "no" ... but I do think that having it made clear, that there is NOTHING that will make him admit that he lost, isn't something that some people really get. It's not "If it's fair" ... this is a man for whom the only "fair" election is one that he wins. I think people think this is some kind of admirable trait, a kind of unsinkable grit. I don't get that. Most adults can recognize that not being able to concede is just deeply childish.
(DIR) Post #Aj5LL0FBKQHSxFagpE by SueDiOh@mastodon.social
2024-06-19T12:19:50Z
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@futurebird "Well. it won't be fair if I lose. If I lose, that means it's rigged, see. Everybody knows it."What then, media?
(DIR) Post #Aj5LPYgDEpSiukPG6q by andrewfeeney@phpc.social
2024-06-19T12:20:20Z
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@futurebird The peaceful transfer of power according to the will of the people is literally the *defining feature of democracy*. It’s the most important job of our elected officials.
(DIR) Post #Aj5Lq9LJY5YK9SJLyS by kechpaja@social.kechpaja.com
2024-06-19T12:25:27Z
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@futurebird > Most adults can recognize that not being able to concede is just deeply childish.In the abstract, yes. But there are many people who, under specific circumstances, simply don't view losing or being wrong as something that can happen.I'm thinking especially of aggressive proselytizers, for whom the only two possible outcomes are "come to Jesus" and "you're not ready yet" — no matter how hard you try, you can never get them to accept that you aren't part of their religion _and you will never be_.(Or, for that matter, tech companies and their "yes, or later?" -style popups. No wonder Trump is so appealing to them.)
(DIR) Post #Aj5M4AcjaCpcB892H2 by samiamsam@mastodon.social
2024-06-19T12:28:04Z
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@futurebird one of my childhood friends would flip the game board when she started losing
(DIR) Post #Aj5M8zOCmNs0mee9dg by Sean@liberal.city
2024-06-19T12:28:53Z
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@futurebird even if directly stated in the June 28th debate (if that occurs) it wouldn't move tens of millions of voters who refuse to acknowledge reality. Trump is like the baseball batter who swings and fouls off a pitch and then complains to the ump for granting him a homerun. Half of the bleachers joins him to complain about how unfair the ump is, even the the fan who caught the foul ball sitting behind the dugout.It's all mind boggling.
(DIR) Post #Aj5MeaOHGAvoWAkNEG by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-19T12:34:36Z
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@Sean True. Though this election will hinge on the votes of about 20k people in key districts of swing states. The electoral college is terrible. But that is another conversation.
(DIR) Post #Aj5NruEUtjwNmC5VLM by MargaretSefton@writing.exchange
2024-06-19T12:48:12Z
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@futurebird I think you have hit on something with why he is admired among a certain segment of people--for his "grit." Unfortunately, it is a misunderstanding of who he is. I sometimes wonder if even his narcissism were more deeply explored in the media and elsewhere whether these folk would listen and buy it. It takes a person who believes in psychological analysis and understanding to support this insight into why he does what he does, his refusal to accept what he sees as "rejection."
(DIR) Post #Aj5OVU09qQau0MFhh2 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-19T12:55:22Z
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@MargaretSefton Fundamentally those of us who do not vote for him (if we vote for someone else, or simply don't vote at all) are not real Americans. Why should our votes count? Every vote not for Trump is an illegitimate. This is why he is saying that he won NY in 2020. This is the only way it makes any "sense." And if you asked them "should the majority of people who do not support this guy matter?" The answer is "No those aren't real people."
(DIR) Post #Aj5Tg2eONJYq8JvSbo by Woodswalked@mstdn.party
2024-06-19T13:53:09Z
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@futurebird Yes, exactly!The only way to interpret his claims that he won in California except for millions of fraudulent votes is that he is claiming millions of Californian voters should not be allowed to vote. We all know which groups he means.cc: @MargaretSefton
(DIR) Post #Aj5U3o10RLsfh0porQ by MargaretSefton@writing.exchange
2024-06-19T13:57:35Z
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@futurebird Whelp, I'm no psychologist or expert in narcissism, though I have had to learn some things for my own personal psychic survival. If interested, check out Mary Trump, his own niece, a very well academically qualified person, and not Trump supporter--au contraire. She has some of the best insights. People who do not support a narcissist are demonized, sidelined, and ganged up against, so yes, I agree. But the heart of the thing is what I am saying, a point of view I tend to believe
(DIR) Post #Aj5U9wXPfLanrYv488 by itty53@beige.party
2024-06-19T13:58:05Z
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@epilonious @futurebird @Sean@liberal.city My concern is less threat he'll be duly elected and more that the GOP criminal conspiracy to undermine elections will again even further reduce the number of votes needed to win. The GOP is preparing to lose the popular vote. They're planning on it. They don't think they can eek it out, so they're building contingencies in judicial appointments, election laws, ID laws, etc.Trump isn't popular, but the GOP is one-minded about winning: "at all costs". And that's the real threat.
(DIR) Post #Aj5p5z7WDl5pkclGYS by LazaroDTormes@mastodon.social
2024-06-19T17:53:18Z
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@futurebird If November elections are fair and the 🍊 loses, being the biggest sore loser that he is, he will deny he lost and will use any means, legal, illegal, and violent, to revert the results and seize power by lying and cheating, his area of expertise. Whether he succeeds or not depends on the people on charge of local, state, and federal, big and small, institutions. Let's hope there are some Raffenspergers left in the Republican party, that scaped the loyalty purges of the maga cult.
(DIR) Post #Aj5piiuoP89gmnI2EK by piratero@mastodon.world
2024-06-19T18:00:08Z
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@futurebird Andrew Johnson was responsible for the failure of Reconstruction. Fascist tRump and the fools that follow him are horrible, too..
(DIR) Post #Aj5tSgzMCRK7zg1k2K by benroyce@mastodon.social
2024-06-19T14:54:35Z
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@epilonious @futurebird @Sean while i agree with you trump will probably lose, i have ptsd from 2016 when i was equally certain trump would loseso the only thing that matters is everyone #vote
(DIR) Post #Aj5tSiGlRCqFxxB9o8 by BootsChantilly@mstdn.social
2024-06-19T18:42:19Z
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@benroyce Amen. @epilonious @futurebird @Sean
(DIR) Post #Aj61C1WBPxUsNJwa5w by MargaretSefton@writing.exchange
2024-06-19T20:08:50Z
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@futurebird I not only think he's a sociopathic narcissist, but a racist, which is so clear in so much of his demoralization of others, even those who for whatever reason plead their fealty.