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(DIR) Post #Aj0JPrPAf0S1FkDkcy by BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online
2024-06-17T02:04:30Z
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The biggest cultural barrier in FOSS is getting people to pay for the software they like, I think there's 2 major issues with resolving this.1. At this point people are so used to not paying for anything that the idea that you would pay for software seems completely alien2. A lot of developers are very shy about asking for money, hiding donation links on a website instead of putting it front and center in the app.
(DIR) Post #Aj0JWid1gp3s3myJjE by BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online
2024-06-17T02:05:21Z
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Thunderbird is the prime example I always go back to, they decided to include a banner and a browser pop up and surprise surprise funding shot through the roof. There is a lot of money in the FOSS world if you know how to get it
(DIR) Post #Aj0PipTudTEAVwroNE by Cylis@mas.to
2024-06-17T03:15:14Z
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@BrodieOnLinux the problem also lies in if the donation links are too up in the face of the user they sometimes just get annoyed and will do whatever they can to not donate and dissuade others from doing so (this is an actual discussions I have seen on a project a few years ago)
(DIR) Post #Aj0TJCMVLMIPlSR4RU by bitterseeds@fosstodon.org
2024-06-17T03:55:31Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I have no problem buying software and donating, been doing it for years. I also don't have a problem with buying useful software that isn't FOSS like Master PDF Editor. I'm ideological to a point, and then I just want to use my computers. I use Linux today because it's comfortable for me not because of ideology. I also use it for control, I don't have a megacorp wanting to force shit like Recall on me.
(DIR) Post #Aj0WEg5Xh4TANF2PAm by vintprox@techhub.social
2024-06-17T04:28:04Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Users sure are funny and naïve.Don't want a donation ad? Huh, then fork and cut it out. Don't expect such a fork to be popular, though! 😙
(DIR) Post #Aj0Z7pHdPMj8j97OYi by rdfhrn@hessen.social
2024-06-17T05:00:28Z
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@BrodieOnLinux A FOSS store with payment options for flatpak, deb, rpm etc packages could be helpful. Not like the Google, Microsoft or Apple stores, but similar.This would not stand in the way of further donations. Nor does it have to stand in the way of the open source idea. For software such as Firefox, however, this is probably no longer a solution these days.Developers must be able to hand over the monetisation without preventing them from doing the work that is important to them.
(DIR) Post #Aj0dSkNTF7CTPT4ywq by Lomkey@mastodon.online
2024-06-17T05:49:18Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I do forget sometime banners do helps for me to remember when I have some extra funds.
(DIR) Post #Aj0hkTcgfrWqTXuGTA by swashberry@social.linux.pizza
2024-06-17T06:37:12Z
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@BrodieOnLinuxA lot of developers don't want to turn their software into nagware, because they're aware that people get very irritated by that and might replace or patch software to remove the nagging. Unfortunately, in the age of the Internet, it is often the case that if you don't nag you don't get. See also YouTubers who remind you to like and subscribe in every video.
(DIR) Post #Aj0iRkOyAPkOxx7h56 by wysteriary@mastodon.social
2024-06-17T06:45:07Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Some distinctions should be made here: paying for software is not the same thing as making a donation.A donation is just giving money with no strings attached, but a payment is made to exchange money for a good or service. In the context of software (FOSS or not), normal people usually expect some form of tech support to come with the software they paid for, and the possibility of a refund.And of course donations are usually taxed differently.
(DIR) Post #Aj0kdYOOqIJB6Tc8BM by truh@shark.community
2024-06-17T07:09:33Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Donating is unfortunately also a lot more inconvenient than not donating. And if I'm using 100s of different software packages that potentially deserve my mkney, that's not just a small inconvenients.Very sad that flattr never took of, if I could set a monthly amount I want to donate and it gets distributed automatically on the software (and media) I use, that would it so much easier.
(DIR) Post #Aj0vh0ukM3kbvVb2no by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2024-06-17T09:13:38.476597Z
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@BrodieOnLinux >The biggest cultural barrier in FOSS is getting people to pay for the software they likePeople who enjoy free software know that it costs next to nothing to copy software and clearly aren't going to pay a copying fee to ???.Many are willing to donate for further development work, but many developers always use donation methods that require running proprietary software and never include say a monero wallet address - which means you cannot donate to the project and keep your freedom, so clearly freedom enjoyers just aren't going to donate. >Thunderbird is the prime exampleI wouldn't call that free software, as it recommends a proprietary plugin for "evolution web access", only saying that it's "paid", among others and it tends to run arbitrary proprietary software in the form of JavaScript without adequately informing the user or making it easy to disable that.Evolution is superior in freeness to Thunderbird in many ways and includes a free "ews" implementation - the only issue it seems to have is the webengine running proprietary JavaScript for login forms only making a poor effort to ask by requiring a click to launch (needed for login for "ews" sadly).There is a lot of money in software used by millions of people if you can convince a small fraction to donate.
(DIR) Post #Aj0yDXk02chAuaCzwW by astrojuanlu@social.juanlu.space
2024-06-17T09:36:46Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Didn't know they were doing so well, amazing! https://blog.thunderbird.net/2023/05/thunderbird-is-thriving-our-2022-financial-report/
(DIR) Post #Aj0yxG3U82C9Nh7Zlw by DiogoConstantino@masto.pt
2024-06-17T09:44:17Z
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@BrodieOnLinux it's more complex...Some people also don't have money, and that's ok because I believe developers are ok with them not giving money if they can't. But it complicates the “mechanics” of getting money to developers.
(DIR) Post #Aj0zBf1w4KYotUGRpw by BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online
2024-06-17T09:45:11Z
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@till The low level stuff I don't really have a good answer for, OpenPrinting at least has the advantage of being such a major part of Linux, what about those libraries that are important but nobody even knows they exist. I want to see more people talking about this problem and ways that it can be solved because I know I certainly don't have all the answers
(DIR) Post #Aj0zNRKcpFGPsqcgJk by BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online
2024-06-17T09:47:07Z
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@DiogoConstantino Keep in mind whenever I or anyone else for that matter talks about funding we're not talking about the low income, or no income people who are not able to pay for software. I like that you have the option to get this great software for free but I do think there should be more encouragement to pay if you can
(DIR) Post #Aj101L23fMQ3vgxmr2 by DiogoConstantino@masto.pt
2024-06-17T09:59:34Z
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@BrodieOnLinux We know that's the case, but it's important to mention it when we talk about it because people forget. Specially Americans and other people from rich countries (specially in Europe) keep forgetting/don't know/keep in mind about the reality in other countries.I strongly agree that we should pay/donate if we can, I do, I even pay for services I don't need just because it's the only way to give to some developers.
(DIR) Post #Aj10eDJmHUZbIXmy48 by onepict@chaos.social
2024-06-17T10:03:09Z
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@BrodieOnLinux @DiogoConstantino I've often posted on here, that FOSS has sustainability issues and it does come down to money. For the developers and also the people around them.Developers do feel uncomfortable asking partly because we know some folks can't afford, but also our culture doesn't support the idea of individuals directly asking for money. Lots of FOSS projects are small and not incorporated.http://onepict.com/20240409-sustain.html
(DIR) Post #Aj19ejEmVLvbsjlvqi by mindful_ineptitude@mastodon.social
2024-06-17T11:48:13Z
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@BrodieOnLinux It would be nice if there was something like The Linux Foundation but for general desktop GNU/Linux. A foundation that takes donations and highlights FOSS for the week and puts out content so users feel like they are getting engagement for their money.
(DIR) Post #Aj1BkrHZhq1kTl85K4 by unknown231@social.linux.pizza
2024-06-17T12:12:17Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I think it's only point 1. everyone I met IRL has laughed when I told them to pay for the software they use. it's kinda sad.