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 (DIR) Post #AiucJcwv5NruXZGubQ by iska@catposter.club
       2024-06-14T08:08:21.239Z
       
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       okay just rebootedit was so bad that it couldn't keep up with TTY
       
 (DIR) Post #AiucUJD6oaAQVTwBkG by p
       2024-06-14T08:10:19.852347Z
       
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       @iska > rebootedwho does thatwhoreboots.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AiucXrqOVKJOn20fWS by p
       2024-06-14T08:10:58.440664Z
       
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       @iska :woman: "Who reboots?":cat: "Whore boots."pickle_shoe.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AiucsUCZbJPzXuDQWW by iska@catposter.club
       2024-06-14T08:14:38.915Z
       
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       @p@fsebugoutzone.org cosmic masons force me sometimes ​:cirno_cry:​
       
 (DIR) Post #Aiud6kbzNz0QUiuCrw by p
       2024-06-14T08:17:16.699783Z
       
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       @iska They don't exist.  These cosmic masons are just processes that you haven't kill -9'd yet.
       
 (DIR) Post #AiudWqClDIDFN1XuBE by iska@catposter.club
       2024-06-14T08:21:56.512Z
       
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       @p@fsebugoutzone.org what corrupts the memory and makes 2-second outages then ​:cat:​will have to shutdown to put the server from under my desk into a chasis and upgrade the ram
       
 (DIR) Post #AiudZzgGRGg7czqijw by m0xee@social.librem.one
       2024-06-14T08:22:33Z
       
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       @p @iska One day you still have to do it — only to realise that your file system remained broken for at least three months and is now beyond being repairable 😱
       
 (DIR) Post #AiufS8T853scTY5PW4 by FrailLeaf@ryona.agency
       2024-06-14T08:43:31.055676Z
       
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       @iska @p chinese server
       
 (DIR) Post #Aiuh4CSFoFUJnPOJU0 by p
       2024-06-14T09:01:38.242943Z
       
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       @iska > what corrupts the memory and makes 2-second outages thenOkay, that's a thing, that sounds like a problem.  What's the temperature like on the RAM chips?  dmesg?  And you're sure it's corrupt memory?
       
 (DIR) Post #AiuhDni6fAhtwsNsIa by p
       2024-06-14T09:03:22.345606Z
       
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       @m0xee @iska This is exactly why I don't run btrfs.
       
 (DIR) Post #AiuhEeTkTHiJbh4emG by iska@catposter.club
       2024-06-14T09:03:28.103Z
       
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       @p@fsebugoutzone.org my desktop is rebooted so no longer has the problem, the server already uses ECC memory (and will have chasis airflow, which would be more important for the VRMs)
       
 (DIR) Post #AiuhQjqKLxojicOlSS by iska@catposter.club
       2024-06-14T09:05:40.278Z
       
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       @p@fsebugoutzone.org @m0xee@social.librem.one you reminded me to do a btrfs snapshot
       
 (DIR) Post #Aiuhmijj9DPOeqnEu0 by p
       2024-06-14T09:09:41.005696Z
       
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       @iska I've got ECC in basically nothing, but airflow matters for most systems.
       
 (DIR) Post #AiuhvIT8BCEpnR7UtU by p
       2024-06-14T09:11:14.005792Z
       
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       @iska @m0xee I'd rather have a thing that doesn't break than a thing that has some unidentifiable benefits but breaks all the time.
       
 (DIR) Post #AiuiFmDRI6IXqXXtku by realman543@annihilation.social
       2024-06-14T09:14:55.547186Z
       
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       @p @iska @m0xee BTRFS was *supposed* to be Linux's answer to ZFS. As far as I am aware it still has not succeeded in this goal.
       
 (DIR) Post #AiujTSa1C2GOxICBMW by m0xee@social.librem.one
       2024-06-14T09:28:36Z
       
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       @p @iska Same here, I checked it out on one of my machines, found no benefits and switched back to ext4. I've seen claims that it's better when working with big git repos, but this was about the time when I was cross-building Void for AC100 netbook, so I was patching stuff in void-packages a lot, didn't notice any performance gains. Maybe my hardware is too old for btrfs 😂
       
 (DIR) Post #AixTk9mhJOlVnCwh5E by p
       2024-06-15T17:16:29.022368Z
       
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       @realman543 @iska @m0xee One of these days I either going to port fossil to non-FUSE Linux or I'm going to get the fuck out of Unix entirely.
       
 (DIR) Post #AixWQzaHJP3SW8gppg by p
       2024-06-15T17:46:38.114582Z
       
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       @m0xee @iska > I've seen claims that it's better when working with big git repos,Unless it's better at "stable filesystem", it doesn't seem like a good idea.> Maybe my hardware is too old for btrfsI got a bad feeling when they wrote that it stood for "Better FS".  People that write that don't produce stable filesystems.  This was more or less confirmed when I checked the Phoronix benchmarks for Postgres performance and btrfs actually crashed on pgbench for most of the benchmarks.  (ext4 was fastest, beating even f2fs on NVMe/SSD.)
       
 (DIR) Post #AixYEceUwjldpQtQmm by iska@catposter.club
       2024-06-15T18:06:40.509Z
       
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       @p@fsebugoutzone.org @realman543@annihilation.social @m0xee@social.librem.one every day I yearn for the latter ​:darkness:​
       
 (DIR) Post #Aixayu8IUBO9Gz1nPc by realman543@annihilation.social
       2024-06-15T18:37:34.730756Z
       
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       @p @iska @m0xee If you didn't mind being hacky you could use ZFS on Linux and use the 9p protocol to achieve basically the same functionality.
       
 (DIR) Post #AixcR0xUnjRiVNwYkK by p
       2024-06-15T18:53:52.162109Z
       
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       @iska @m0xee @realman543 :9front:
       
 (DIR) Post #AixdIwiYmiRezQfqjI by p
       2024-06-15T19:03:36.975483Z
       
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       @realman543 @iska @m0xee > you could use ZFSWhat the fuck did you just call me?> achieve basically the same functionality.Not remotely.
       
 (DIR) Post #AixdYHjUvvGMVjQWiu by realman543@annihilation.social
       2024-06-15T19:06:22.820694Z
       
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       @p @iska @m0xee ZFS is good. :columbo_smug:Well I admittedly don't know much about the fossil file system it's manpage says it has active/archive/snapshot. And feeds data via TCP. If you use 9p with some hacky workarounds in a C (or perhaps shell) script it sounds like you could get basically that functionality.ZFS could act as active and snapshot, and if you make a new or nested volume you could archive as well. Though TBH I wouldn't recommend archiving on the same disk, but that's me.
       
 (DIR) Post #AixeKgmn5c2S6z3200 by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2024-06-15T19:15:00.814310Z
       
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       @realman543 @iska @p @m0xee It will never be the Linux's answer to ZFS, because Oracle realized they can make more money by selling ZFS boxes. SUSE isn't big enough to make it happen.One thing that BTRFS does better is online deduplication, however almost no tooling does it.
       
 (DIR) Post #AixeRcoQGIqHoZ7PF2 by realman543@annihilation.social
       2024-06-15T19:16:23.059815Z
       
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       @phnt @iska @p @m0xee >selling ZFS boxesIt can be used for free?
       
 (DIR) Post #Aixeshnloqx96kj5pQ by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2024-06-15T19:21:12.238214Z
       
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       @realman543 @iska @p @m0xee Yeah, on FreeBSD without much hassle. Canonical gave up on it and if you want support for stability issues on RHEL, you must not run a tainted kernel, which obviously isn't possible because ZFS is out-of-tree. If you need support and ZFS, you can only go to Oracle or iX Systems (TrueNAS).
       
 (DIR) Post #Aixf0mhNUqWcc0aYvA by realman543@annihilation.social
       2024-06-15T19:22:43.168445Z
       
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       @phnt @iska @p @m0xee While I support BSD supremacy, ZFS-on-Linux is a thing. I just bake it straight into my kernel these days, but supposedly it can be run as a kernel module.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aixg8SnnSGWnAuoggy by p
       2024-06-15T19:35:20.207797Z
       
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       @realman543 @iska @m0xee > ZFS is good. :columbo_smug:I have seen it.  It is a complete shit design.  Even if they fixed the Linux bugs, there's no way to fix the rest without a complete redesign.  It is probably better if we don't spend all day on arguing ZFS again, see my previous remarks about ZFS; I can (and have) spent days on this before.  I do not like ZFS.> Well I admittedly don't know much about the fossil file system it's manpage says it has active/archive/snapshot."Has a few similar features" does not mean it's similar; I have a rifle, you're handing me a blunderbuss.  fossil doesn't try to be its own RAID array, for example.  Snapshots are achieved by means of a Merkle tree rather than duplicate copies, so you can clone an entire fossil FS by giving it the same root score as the one you want to duplicate, and this takes less than a second, which is why I lost less than a day of work when I hosed my filesystem:  I used flfmt with the last known-good root score, and the entire system was back.  I type `history $filename` and I get every change made to that file, and I can type this as any user:  I don't need to be `root`.this-is-nothing-like-zfs.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AixgIlnXgR0UzAc0Vk by p
       2024-06-15T19:37:11.966278Z
       
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       @realman543 @phnt @iska @m0xee > It can be used for free? Support contracts.  Large companies do not care if something is free, they care if it's supported.
       
 (DIR) Post #AixhP2k1hYMxE4WTDc by realman543@annihilation.social
       2024-06-15T19:49:31.967726Z
       
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       @p @iska @phnt @m0xee Yeah but companies can also suck my cock ngl
       
 (DIR) Post #AixhgjEkxOArwlKUHQ by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2024-06-15T19:52:39.928062Z
       
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       @realman543 @iska @p @m0xee For individual use it's fine. I use BTRFS.For companies it's different. If they suffer damages thanks to a bug in official RHEL packages and were running the latest version, they can sue RH for those damages. It's in most RH support contracts and if I remember correctly also in the enterprise policy.
       
 (DIR) Post #AixhoaYn6KZDLvRrcW by realman543@annihilation.social
       2024-06-15T19:54:08.974087Z
       
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       @phnt @iska @p @m0xee I know it's all about the money, but there's the "THIS IS PROVIDED WITHOUT WARRANTY" clause in most free software licenses for a reason.
       
 (DIR) Post #AixiSw96GWf3smffwO by p
       2024-06-15T20:01:26.815427Z
       
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       @realman543 @iska @m0xee @phnt Well, sure, but if you want to know why they would sell a thing that is free, that's why.
       
 (DIR) Post #AixicKgYOhEeb4nbt2 by p
       2024-06-15T20:03:08.699437Z
       
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       @realman543 @phnt @iska @m0xee > but there's the "THIS IS PROVIDED WITHOUT WARRANTY" clause in most free software licenses for a reason.This is why companies are willing to pay money for a warranty.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aixin5eUdAuH9pxsmG by realman543@annihilation.social
       2024-06-15T20:05:05.034942Z
       
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       @p @iska @phnt @m0xee When I asked the question I thought we were talking about single-user cases. :cirno_blush:
       
 (DIR) Post #AixjJ6KxcTjcY55oQ4 by p
       2024-06-15T20:10:52.457598Z
       
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       @realman543 @iska @m0xee @phnt Oh, yeah.  Well, I'm sure they *would* sell you one if you had the cash, but only large businesses are likely to buy anything Oracle sells.  (Look up how much an Oracle license costs if you want to know why it is against their EULA to benchmark Oracle.)  That was more or less Sun's business model:  you buy a machine, sure, that's a machine.  You buy a support contract, though, and as long as you keep paying, they will send a guy out to replace the failing component from your 20-year-old SPARC workstation, and Oracle bought Sun.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aixkm2CkABAA5GbrMW by iska@catposter.club
       2024-06-15T20:27:15.151Z
       
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       @p@fsebugoutzone.org @m0xee@social.librem.one @realman543@annihilation.social ​:nine:​ is unix, just moreso. You know I'm not a fan of that
       
 (DIR) Post #AixltL5YS1cAdJIIEK by p
       2024-06-15T20:39:50.016369Z
       
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       @iska @m0xee @realman543 It's not Unix, but even if you think it's basically Unix, when I say I'm dumping Unix, this means dumping Linux/BSD for Plan 9.
       
 (DIR) Post #AixsfqVtW6cFij7xLc by iska@catposter.club
       2024-06-15T21:55:46.231Z
       
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       @p@fsebugoutzone.org @m0xee@social.librem.one @realman543@annihilation.social dissapointing
       
 (DIR) Post #AixstzO5JuT1ITDbQu by p
       2024-06-15T21:58:23.172387Z
       
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       @iska @m0xee @realman543 :bwksmug:
       
 (DIR) Post #AiyfqYqMRtMbrERIno by m0xee@social.librem.one
       2024-06-16T07:06:48Z
       
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       @iska What did you expect, giant distributed microkernel-based LISP machine running exclusively on NUMA-enabled Itanium cores? 🫠@realman543 @p
       
 (DIR) Post #Aiyh7MdXBeHMsM139k by p
       2024-06-16T07:21:03.268989Z
       
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       @m0xee @iska @realman543 > What did you expect, giant distributed microkernel-based LISP machine running exclusively on NUMA-enabled Itanium cores?I may as well douse my computer in gasoline, unplug all the fans, and sacrifice my eyebrows so that I can huff the rare-earth minerals for enlightenment.I'm more likely to boot to a Forth environment on a Z-80 than a microkernel LISP on an Itanic.  One of those brings with it the promise of at some point performing I/O.
       
 (DIR) Post #AiyiJlHNUYWIjU7zZA by m0xee@social.librem.one
       2024-06-16T07:34:29Z
       
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       @p > Forth environment on a Z-80 That shit I came up with was somewhat hard to challenge, but you did! Respect! 😂I'm just poking @iska for fun — pretty sure that it would be something more practical (but still unusable by the standards of a normal human being)@realman543
       
 (DIR) Post #Aiyn6qmmCuspohTeCm by p
       2024-06-16T08:28:11.506706Z
       
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       @m0xee @iska @realman543 > somewhat hard to challenge,Is it?  I spend a lot of time thinking about living in a Forth environment on an old-timey chip.
       
 (DIR) Post #AiyuKXIMAYH36JimvY by m0xee@social.librem.one
       2024-06-16T09:49:05Z
       
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       @p Strange that you don't own a PowerMac G5 rig then — having Forth right in OpenFirmare sounds cool if you're into that thing. To be honest, to me it's in the same category LISP is in though — something fun, but impractical 😅As for Z80: https://oldbytes.space/@millihertz/112620912045955111To me it doesn't even bear any nostalgic value: I didn't own it when everyone did.@realman543 @iska
       
 (DIR) Post #AiyulfuSFUADdYTxpY by m0xee@social.librem.one
       2024-06-16T09:53:59Z
       
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       @p To me it doesn't even bear any nostalgic value: I didn't own it when everyone did. I don't know how my parents did that, but I had a 80386-based computer when not every Soviet research instutute had PCs like that. And it was US-made — not the CPU, the whole box — a few kidnes got sold somewhere along the way probably 😂@realman543 @iska
       
 (DIR) Post #Aiz4J8mEq9rGJNfhjc by dcc@annihilation.social
       2024-06-16T11:40:53.326416Z
       
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       @p @realman543 @iska @m0xeeplan_9_simplicity_aint_free_cat-v.png
       
 (DIR) Post #Aiz4MM4XrhkCPmldOi by dcc@annihilation.social
       2024-06-16T11:41:28.393598Z
       
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       @iska @m0xee @realman543 @p >plan 9 is unix:alex_lol:quote-unix-has-retarded-os-research-by-10-years-and-linux-has-retarded-it-by-20-dennis-ritchie-98-84-94.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #Aiz7TxKs1Fm7sHiemG by p
       2024-06-16T12:16:28.060105Z
       
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       @m0xee @realman543 @iska > Strange that you don't own a PowerMac G5 rig then — having Forth right in OpenFirmare sounds cool if you're into that thing.:apple_inc::blank::sun::virginbody::sf2vs::chadbody:> the same category LISP is in though — something fun, but impracticalI have used both languages for actual work.> https://oldbytes.space/@millihertz/112620912045955111I paste that into the search box and cannot see the post here.  The administrator's avatar is a picrew furry with red streaks in its hair.  I click on the link and there are people that I will never talk to having a conversation about chips.  They not only would not willingly have a conversation with me, but if they heard that you were having a conversation with me, they would not talk to you.  I look at what they are saying and how they are saying it and I cannot relate to them.  Every message I try to read in the thread has a "content warning" and I have to click "Show More".  One of them has the opinion that a fun chip should "die"; I've heard what these people have to say about me.  I click a couple of the other ones.  They're listing their opinions, and I don't really have a personal relationship with them so I don't wonder what they think, and they use a grating cadence that reminds me of work emails written by a middle manager that wants to sound fun, or a corporate Twitter account.  People that hate me and want to prevent me from reading their posts do not like a thing that I think is fun, and they require a lot of clicking on "Show More", so the thread can't even be skimmed, and their writing isn't even entertaining.It was a depressing link to click on; even the sadposters around here seem upbeat by comparison:  the sadposters are young and they are figuring things out and sometimes that makes you feel aimless and depressed on top of the usual nonsense that comes with being alive that they are not yet accustomed to.  These people, though, are bitter, and are hating on chips that cannot affect them any more, they have spent most of the words in their bio on what sort of people they hate and the other half on rules that you must follow to interact with them.  They have walled themselves off from the "bad" people and they think this is some sort of punishment rather than a mercy.> To me it doesn't even bear any nostalgic value: I didn't own it when everyone did.I do have some loose Z80s, Zilog's logo and everything, but I didn't have a Z80-based computer per se; I have spent a lot of time with the Game Boy, though.  The Game Boy and the Game Gear and the NES (6502) and the ubiquitous TI-83 and a very large proportion of the arcade games.  The Z80 also appeared in the Texas Instruments graphing calculators that basically every kid in the country used.  It was as ubiquitous then as the ARM is now.The Z80, 6502, 8080, and the custom chips in the game consoles, those overlap significantly, just a handful of instructions different, almost all binary-compatible, so it's a piece of computing history, one of these pieces of technology that were so widespread that they have come to represent an era, like the DEC VT100 or MS-DOS on an 8086.And anyway, not just that, but the instruction set is basically all you need for Forth.  If you sit down and do a Forth, you can really feel it, this clunky chip opens all the way up.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aiz7xAuybDimOhXYzA by p
       2024-06-16T12:21:44.910035Z
       
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       @m0xee @realman543 @iska > I don't know how my parents did that, but I had a 80386-based computer when not every Soviet research instutute had PCs like that. And it was US-made — not the CPU, the whole boxHa, wow, that's kind of amazing.  Do you remember any specifics about the machine?  Like, make/model?The first computer I really owned, the first one that was mine, that was a 386, but assembled piece by piece, kind of a garbage pile computer that I kept swapping parts into and out of.  The computer I'm using right now is the "same" computer, though it's the Ship of Theseus.behold_the_ship_of_theseus.png
       
 (DIR) Post #Aiz8LyLiSzMweis7YO by p
       2024-06-16T12:26:13.809078Z
       
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       @dcc @iska @m0xee @realman543 :glenda::uriel::9front:
       
 (DIR) Post #AizBpHMJAUaJsCoaHY by longyap@bae.st
       2024-06-16T13:05:06.186765Z
       
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       @p @iska my opensuse micro os self reboot everyday now trying to switch to different flavor linux distro
       
 (DIR) Post #AizDR3BYPfaysDMLLs by mischievoustomato@rebased.taihou.website
       2024-06-16T13:23:08.375078Z
       
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       @p @iska whore boots
       
 (DIR) Post #AizEqv7L8FKZKnHu9g by p
       2024-06-16T13:39:03.202775Z
       
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       @mischievoustomato @iska I beat you to it:  https://fsebugoutzone.org/notice/AiucXrqOVKJOn20fWS
       
 (DIR) Post #AizEt7zGFnGtpPYt5E by p
       2024-06-16T13:39:27.137066Z
       
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       @longyap @iska Yeah?  OpenSuse is that unstable?
       
 (DIR) Post #AizFEPhVadOMqbPLfs by longyap@bae.st
       2024-06-16T13:43:16.283962Z
       
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       @p @iska i have no idea maybe its designed this way, last week i am confused as fuck until i see the systemd config were set to create snapshot and reboot daily by default
       
 (DIR) Post #AizFW4nk240XF1kHui by longyap@bae.st
       2024-06-16T13:46:27.981168Z
       
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       @p @iskaScreenshot from 2024-06-16 21-47-26.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AizFbfFhw3xtjxUVXc by longyap@bae.st
       2024-06-16T13:47:28.557830Z
       
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       @iska @p "immutable os "
       
 (DIR) Post #AizFv2ZlRYcbZx6z2m by i@declin.eu
       2024-06-16T13:50:57.125666Z
       
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       @longyap @iska @p it is designed that way, microOS is meant to be their immutable/snapshot distro for IOT tier appliances, with a default maintenance window of midnight, which you are supposed to change or manage yourselfif you want release stability, they offer leap, or an automatically tested rolling repo with tumbleweed, or an arch tier build everything from master with their open builds service
       
 (DIR) Post #AizGPjxIivB6o1l9Qu by p
       2024-06-16T13:56:33.074627Z
       
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       @longyap @iska Wait, what?  Intentional?  That is seriously weird.
       
 (DIR) Post #AizGpWqA6kZ7eviWno by mint@ryona.agency
       2024-06-16T14:01:07.917184Z
       
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       @p @realman543 @iska @m0xee >I'm going to get the fuck out of Unix entirely.Come home white man.logon.wav
       
 (DIR) Post #AizHPmxfeCII5CWGbg by p
       2024-06-16T14:07:45.894177Z
       
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       @mint @iska @m0xee @realman543 I don't know what OS makes that noise but Plan 9 makes no noise when it boots.
       
 (DIR) Post #AizHUpNg4yTx2D5RSa by mint@ryona.agency
       2024-06-16T14:08:38.799173Z
       
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       @p @realman543 @iska @m0xee I'm not sure chog9 even has a sound subsystem.
       
 (DIR) Post #AizHn6rdoceuTEorxo by longyap@bae.st
       2024-06-16T14:11:57.258030Z
       
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       @mint @realman543 @iska @p @m0xee win98 mental ill gf
       
 (DIR) Post #AizHnS46zS70Dzocoi by p
       2024-06-16T14:12:02.491080Z
       
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       @mint @iska @m0xee @realman543 It does, and it is released:blobcatterry2: as :blobcatterry2::terryshades: an :terrysmug2::terrywat: ISO :terrycame::terryhacker: image :terrywow::terryyelling: with :terry_ew::terrymad2: a :blobcatterry2::terryshades: compiler :terrybeats::terryyeah: like :terryapproves::terrysmug: a :terrysad::terrycame: white :terrymad::terrymad: man :terrysmug::terryshiggy: does. :terrymad:
       
 (DIR) Post #AizHtBGSMtvBr5JzqS by mint@ryona.agency
       2024-06-16T14:13:02.554025Z
       
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       @longyap @realman543 @iska @p @m0xee That's NT4.
       
 (DIR) Post #AizHztjvvGgDWyJPXs by m0xee@social.librem.one
       2024-06-16T14:14:16Z
       
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       @mint AFAIK, it does some audio! I've even seen a documented way to pipe videos through bunch of stuff to watch them. @realman543 @iska @p
       
 (DIR) Post #AizIv9cvWmQJJGKwUK by m0xee@social.librem.one
       2024-06-16T14:24:37Z
       
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       @p @realman543 @iskaIt must be the instance, nothing sad about that thread in particular, it's a provocative post about Z80, but being a self-proclaimed hot take — it's supposed to be.Or that account for the matter, I've never seen anything political there, it's purely technology-oriented. But anyway, here it is.
       
 (DIR) Post #AizJ3Cg24UP95Ocy6i by p
       2024-06-16T14:26:05.598773Z
       
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       @realman543 @longyap @iska @mint @m0xee Acceptable operating systems:  Plan 9, ANTS, 9front, 9legacy, Inferno, DIY Forth environment, CollapseOS, DuskOS, boot sector demos, MS-DOS 5.0 (but only to run for exactly as long as needed to bootstrap your DIY Forth environment), or a ROM-based OS that came with a 1980s-ass computer.  The list is complete.  NT4 is not on it.  Smalltalk?  AmigaOS? Meego?   No, no, no.  ReactOS?  Minix3?  Minix*2*?  You fucking kidding me?
       
 (DIR) Post #AizJ5NeyCylljCAWh6 by p
       2024-06-16T14:26:29.200377Z
       
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       @realman543 @iska @mint @m0xee Yeah, it do.
       
 (DIR) Post #AizJua1O0YdSpr4FIO by m0xee@social.librem.one
       2024-06-16T14:35:43Z
       
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       @p > I have used both languages for actual work. Sure, both are viable, but despite not being new it's not like they are becoming household names… ever at this point, they are now "meme" languages, sure choice when you need a marginal language in a joke — that's what I mean by placing them in the same category, despite them being different. @realman543 @iska
       
 (DIR) Post #AizKP8jVW1JHBAHE1I by takao@shitposter.world
       2024-06-16T14:41:15.351284Z
       
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       @p @realman543 @longyap @iska @mint @m0xee >no FreeDOS
       
 (DIR) Post #AizKgbxS6wxqk289c8 by p
       2024-06-16T14:44:25.224669Z
       
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       @m0xee @realman543 @iska > It must be the instance, nothing sad about that thread in particular,The things I described are depressing, they were from that thread.  Those people are depressing.  The two people in the screenshot you posted depress me.  The first post in the screenshot, that is the post that depressed me, I quoted it.  The rest of the thread depressed me.  I'm not doing a bit or a shitpost, those people depressed me.  Please do not take it personally, as I do not think you could have anticipated that those people would seem depressing, but those people depress the shit out of me, so I'd rather stop discussing them.  Thank you, friend.> I've never seen anything political there,Check the bio.
       
 (DIR) Post #AizLFLVxEupzsVpbns by lnxw37b2@shitposter.world
       2024-06-16T14:50:41.454963Z
       
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       @p I couldn't afford a computer until the days of Windows 95 (and even then, the computer I got came with Win3.1), so I never saw a Smalltalk or LISP machine ... but I'd certainly be willing to experiment with a modern version if someone released it. Likewise, I played a little bit with a RISCOS port on a Raspberry Pi some time back. That particular one was too buggy, but I'd definitely give it another shot if they've squashed some bugs. I don't remember whether it came with a BBC BASIC implementation, either.And some decades ago, I really wanted a COSMAC VIP or the related ELF2 / SuperELF but never had the funds or other resources needed to get one and put it to use. I'm not sure I'd be willing to invest the time now, but I also haven't had something come past my screen at an affordable price.One of these days, I need to install one of the Plan 9 derivatives on real hardware. I installed it in a VM many years ago, but given the level of my hardware, a VM doesn't make sense. It's always going to be use one OS at a time.I'm not saying any of them would ever be suitable to become my DailyDriver(TM).
       
 (DIR) Post #AizNL96iTud92nv5o8 by mint@ryona.agency
       2024-06-16T15:14:05.453863Z
       
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       @p @realman543 @longyap @iska @m0xee I don't see TempleOS on yuor list, you heathen.
       
 (DIR) Post #AizNQQyvS7I3vcnVCa by p
       2024-06-16T15:15:06.708331Z
       
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       @m0xee @realman543 @iska > they are now "meme" languages,Well, you say this, but I wrote an ad-hoc assembler in a Forth a couple of years ago because it was faster to fire up a Forth and look at a chart and emit the instructions I needed than to track down an assembler that would handle the weird shit I was doing and also run on my machine and then get it to compile.  30 minutes:  program's done, blob's produced, anyone else would still be stumbling through search results and reading the README in someone's Github repo to see if it even targets the right chip.  It's wonderfully expressive, the code comes out compact and readable, and if you're doing a "real" Forth on a small system, you can save a lot of memory:  40 or 50 bytes of opcodes turns into three two-byte addresses.All the way on the opposite side from bitbanging on tiny machines, I have embedded stack-based languages in applications to use as DSLs for scripting.  One of these was just internally facing, but it cut the length of most of the endpoints to two lines, one to extract/escape the user-supplied parameters and one to invoke the little runtime with the generated program and get the results out.It's not even rocket-surgery stuff, it's easy stuff to do if you've done it once, but if you think it's a meme, you won't try it the first time and it's a tool you'll never have.Same goes for Lisp; I've used it less often but it's a nice language.  (Lisp-1s like Scheme, anyway; I don't like the separate function namespace stuff CL does.)  I wouldn't wanna use Lisp as an entire environment if I could use Forth, but it'd be serviceable....Not on Itanium.these_things_are_real_i_do_not_make_them_up.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AizNaecrZwM18nLppo by p
       2024-06-16T15:16:57.531082Z
       
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       @takao @iska @longyap @m0xee @mint @realman543 >no FreeDOSI said what I said.burgeranime.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AizOIJFOQP23ZuBoZs by p
       2024-06-16T15:24:50.908768Z
       
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       @lnxw37b2 > I'd certainly be willing to experiment with a modern version if someone released it. http://squeakvm.org/http://squeakvm.org/unix/ https://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/676 :ddr_l: For the bigger picture about image-based OSs.https://squeak.org/downloads/https://book.seaside.st/book :ddr_l: It even does web development> Likewise, I played a little bit with a RISCOS port on a Raspberry Pi some time back. That particular one was too buggyHa, that was fun.  I never touched an Acorn machine, but I ended up learning a lot about them because the tutorial for ARM assembly was written by a RISC-OS fan.> One of these days, I need to install one of the Plan 9 derivatives on real hardware.It's a fun OS.> DailyDriver(TM).This is a bad term, I think.  I think it implies a mode of computing that no one actually experiences and that wouldn't be desirable anyway.
       
 (DIR) Post #AizOOT9EWl5C1QFI0m by p
       2024-06-16T15:25:57.695750Z
       
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       @mint @iska @longyap @m0xee @realman543 That's because it's Terry's Temple and it's perfect already.  I wouldn't be entertaining Mr. God unless I built one.  ("HolyForth" has a good sound to it.)
       
 (DIR) Post #AizOSfsF9dZeeJIuGW by kirby@lab.nyanide.com
       2024-06-16T15:26:14.731551Z
       
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       @iska @m0xee @realman543 @p ℹ️ You have angered the horde.
       
 (DIR) Post #AizOfLpaz4U2Fi6tGK by eric@pl.starnix.network
       2024-06-16T15:28:58.473128Z
       
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       @kirby @realman543 @iska @p @m0xee I'M DOWN!!!
       
 (DIR) Post #AizOswePOvQmD8MMMa by p
       2024-06-16T15:31:28.169604Z
       
       1 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @kirby @iska @m0xee @realman543thelastmetroidisincaptivitythegalaxyisatpeace.gif
       
 (DIR) Post #AizOwDSjLthzDhSOqO by p
       2024-06-16T15:32:03.641985Z
       
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       @kirby @iska @m0xee @realman543 (I didn't have any Warcraft screenshots.)
       
 (DIR) Post #AizOxoznI1ypuughcm by p
       2024-06-16T15:32:21.050258Z
       
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       @iska @kirby @m0xee @realman543 (Metroids are kinda like orcs.)
       
 (DIR) Post #AizPuBGucrQRniWSbw by p
       2024-06-16T15:42:53.868072Z
       
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       @m0xee @iska @realman543 Actually, now that I'm looking at that code again, some of this is kinda cool.  Like, there's $call, so you'd push an address onto the stack and call $call and that would emit a call to the appropriate address.  But then there's this bit for forward calls and it's kinda clever, it works the same way you would do it in Forth, it leaves a little gap in the memory and then leaves an address on the stack, pointing to the place where the mark is supposed to go, and when you know what address it's calling, you write it to the address on the stack.  This is fun shit.that-s_kinda_clever_i_do_not_remember_doing_it.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AizRFqkhhIHSUBLzgO by m0xEE@breloma.m0xee.net
       2024-06-16T15:55:58.312598Z
       
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       @p I think I might be able to find some manuals it came with, but I have to dig pretty deep in my bookcase 🤔The computer itself is long gone — I've also started upgrading mine with found and "donated" parts, at some point the PSU got fried and I couldn't afford a new one, so I donated the whole computer to my high school — I could use it there with their PSU. It wasn't a bad machine at the time, not the latest-greatest, but a 486 already with only the original case remaining — no one was against it as hardware in classrooms was even worse. But as the rest of the classroom were diskless machines booting from the network, this is where real fun began — mine had an HDD and could use removable media, eventually a friend of mine found an exploit for the NetWare they were using — no one was ever updating it: Internet wasn't yet a concern, machines were booting from the network and all files were written to and read from a network storage. We took complete control over the network!I made a tiny TSR that was causing funny graphics glitches and that I could activate remotely, I've added it to a boot image the machines were using. People were genuinely panicking when that stuff started happening while they were doing their assignments and teachers were clueless too — it did look like the computers were malfunctioning. OMG, that was fun!!! 🤣Our informatics teacher was the head teacher of school and she eventually started realising that we took over the network, but we were good in covering tracks and as it wasn't destructive — even compared to stealing balls from mice, we never got punished.Now that I think about it, it was probably having access to technology earlier than my peers in my formative years, but not having things that were common is what got me into marginal CPU architectures 🤔 Same was with Macs — no one around me was using them, I don't think they were popular outside of publishing houses, but I was eager to embrace something non-Intel. Digital was on its deathbed already with SGI soon to follow, Sun was doing relatively well — you could find hardware from all of them at universities, but neither were even remotely affordable.@realman543 @iska @m0xee
       
 (DIR) Post #AizSSvTHYzGSqA0JIu by m0xee@social.librem.one
       2024-06-16T16:11:34Z
       
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       @p Oh, for this stuff — sure! I'm currently reading a book, that touches systems programming in examples, and it gets explained how CHIP-8 works, how instructions are decoded, how arithmetics works, how calls work, the author goes on to explain how memory management works, what endian-ness is (for those who don't know it).Weird shit is — it's a Rust book and all examples feel… AWKWARD to say the least, everything is wrapped in unsafe {}, system calls are used directly, etc 🤪@realman543 @iska
       
 (DIR) Post #AizT9OoEsLVhzd3j1M by m0xee@social.librem.one
       2024-06-16T16:19:15Z
       
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       @p I mean it's great in a way that it shows what's happening under the hood instead of "just use this crate", how smart pointers and reference counters save your ass, but why they might make things noticeably slower, but it feels weird, when every example shows how the language is against you doing things like that.Knuth didn't come up with MIX to explain algorithms for nothing after all 😆@realman543 @iska
       
 (DIR) Post #AizTHMeklRRtdGQ7ou by p
       2024-06-16T16:20:42.165383Z
       
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       @m0xEE @iska @m0xee @realman543 Ha, that's a shenanigan.I was reading "Stealing the Network" and there was a clever prank, a bored admin would take over someone's tty remotely.  What people would normally do is type some crazy message, but he would just watch their typing speed and when they were typing really quickly, he'd just occasionally hit backspace once, like they'd missed a key.  Drove people crazy, they'd replace keyboards and move to different machines.  (It is fictional, but some of the stories sound a little less fictional.)> Digital was on its deathbed already with SGI soon to follow, Sun was doing relatively well — you could find hardware from all of them at universities, but neither were even remotely affordable.Ah, I picked up a lunchbox SPARC for about $10.  Had a Boeing asset tag scratched half-off, that ws a lucky thing about being here in LA:  all the aerospace companies and JPL are here, and they all need a lot of computers.  So if you stopped by a surplus store near their offices (or stopped by the dumpster behind their offices) you could usually get a full workstation for almost nothing, as long as you could deal with "State of the art...15 years ago."  You probably remember, though, that a 15-year-old workstation was still usually better than a top-of-the-line desktop system.  Eventually (~2002 or 03) got my hands on a 2-CPU UltraSPARC, 24" monitor, Type-5 keyboard and...no cables.  So it took me months to track down a cable that would fit the Sun monitor.  In the mean time, I had a little 90MHz Pentium sitting on the floor next to it, I booted a LOAF distro designed for serial terminals:  it would boot directly into minicom.  So I'd talk to the Sun machine like that.
       
 (DIR) Post #AizTal3oFphOp3O6kq by p
       2024-06-16T16:24:12.463690Z
       
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       @m0xee @realman543 @iska Wonder why a person would do that in Rust.
       
 (DIR) Post #AizTigy9LjVeRyWXEu by pernia@cum.salon
       2024-06-16T16:25:37.262035Z
       
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       @p @realman543 @iska @m0xee its freaking safe and cute, p.
       
 (DIR) Post #AizTly724GEYUJEzlg by p
       2024-06-16T16:26:14.027285Z
       
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       @pernia @iska @m0xee @realman543 What was the name of that movie?
       
 (DIR) Post #AizTvT0Ka7qYu5dSb2 by pernia@cum.salon
       2024-06-16T16:27:56.135386Z
       
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       @p @realman543 @iska @m0xee paul blart mall.cop
       
 (DIR) Post #AizU2NXnHUvLzoaEAy by p
       2024-06-16T16:29:11.972404Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @pernia @iska @m0xee @realman543 UNTRACEABLE.untraceable-trailer.mp4
       
 (DIR) Post #AizU9hlIVhU6jAOQFs by Dicey@annihilation.social
       2024-06-16T16:30:30.975201Z
       
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       @pernia @realman543 @iska @p @m0xee cc @11112011 I wonder if blitz is p's secret shitposting account when he wants to troll people. Just joking but it would be a funny scenario
       
 (DIR) Post #AizUDpgWzhmaSW8EMq by pernia@cum.salon
       2024-06-16T16:31:15.158469Z
       
       4 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @Dicey @11112011 @realman543 @iska @p @m0xee did u know p and i are the same person
       
 (DIR) Post #AizUFi1oQtjNI6yrdw by Dicey@annihilation.social
       2024-06-16T16:31:36.197671Z
       
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       @pernia @11112011 @realman543 @iska @p @m0xee yeahh
       
 (DIR) Post #AizUIRHFAZUWCuV4eu by p
       2024-06-16T16:32:06.121354Z
       
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       @pernia @iska @m0xee @realman543 No, no, that's stupid.  The other one.
       
 (DIR) Post #AizUfLekEa1rR0PtR2 by pernia@cum.salon
       2024-06-16T16:36:13.413807Z
       
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       @p @realman543 @iska @m0xee what does it have to do with rust
       
 (DIR) Post #AizWHFBUqP02JyMzmy by m0xee@social.librem.one
       2024-06-16T16:54:17Z
       
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       @p I think it just demonstrates the anti-patterns like: this thing here is thread-unsafe — but if you don't care, you can still use it. It does a decent job explaining why there are a couple of dozen types for string, why there are boxes, arenas, rc, arc and their friends, in addition to regular pointers which you can still use, but you'd better not, if you can live with borrowing, lifetimes and all that.@realman543 @iska
       
 (DIR) Post #AizWKK6T0pSuRgUAy0 by m0xee@social.librem.one
       2024-06-16T16:54:50Z
       
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       @p It's exactly the kind of book on Rust I want, but the one who intended to use it for web microservices and picked up the first book in the nearest store, probably indeed goes insane reading all this 😂@realman543 @iska
       
 (DIR) Post #AizlS0HsWvWn3Kwzui by p
       2024-06-16T19:44:18.933318Z
       
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       @Dicey @pernia @11112011 @iska @m0xee @realman543 What the fuck does that have to do with computers, you idiot?Apparently, I do some completely uncalled-for shit once in a while, :dracula: they forget I'm him. :dracula2:bixnooded.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AizlZd8gTkDnZnHpke by p
       2024-06-16T19:45:41.657774Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @pernia @iska @m0xee @realman543 Did you watch it, man?
       
 (DIR) Post #AizwskZQqsybVZpL72 by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2024-06-16T21:52:20.193241Z
       
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       @p @realman543 @m0xEE @iska @m0xee >Ah, I picked up a lunchbox SPARC for about $10...Jealous just from reading that. I've been searching for an older SPARC box (1990-2000) for 2 years now and all I found were decommissioned Sun Fire servers from ~2006. Anything from around 2000 and older is almost unobtainable without importing it from Germany for ridiculous prices. The 486 sitting in the attic is likely one of the very few remaining working ones as everyone put those old computers to recycling centers.
       
 (DIR) Post #AizyLYdKPfLAq0wwpE by Dicey@annihilation.social
       2024-06-16T21:10:13.518529Z
       
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       @p @11112011 @realman543 @iska @pernia @m0xee calm down, it was a  j o k e
       
 (DIR) Post #AizyNoEhNCpBoAVFs8 by p
       2024-06-16T22:09:13.383676Z
       
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       @phnt @iska @m0xEE @m0xee @realman543 > Jealous just from reading that.Unfortunately, I no longer have them!> Anything from around 2000 and older is almost unobtainableI have some 4U UltraSPARCs from 1999.  They were given to an education software company that had an employee that had a friend at Sun and then sat in their server room because it was way bigger than they needed and then by the time they could make use of it, their shit was all "in the cloud", and then when I got them, they were obsolete; most of them have never been powered on.  CDs and license keys for Solaris and Websphere and Netscape's web server and everything, I think most of the cables, plus some 300GB SCSI disks.  (300GB in only 4U!)  I mostly use them to get yelled at for having them around, taking up space; I took them because they came with the server cabinet.  You wanna figure out how to get them from here to wherever you are, they're yours.
       
 (DIR) Post #AizygoHbQJ5vSIvCwi by p
       2024-06-16T22:12:39.427980Z
       
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       @Dicey @11112011 @iska @m0xee @pernia @realman543 No.miscarriage.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #AizzEG0zKy8h1N6Dzc by Dicey@annihilation.social
       2024-06-16T22:18:41.607895Z
       
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       @p @11112011 @realman543 @iska @pernia @m0xee Forgive me if this is too personal but are you neurodivergent? Like on the autistic spectrum?
       
 (DIR) Post #AizzlmTXfdgtFgRMzw by p
       2024-06-16T22:24:45.631713Z
       
       6 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @Dicey @11112011 @iska @m0xee @pernia @realman543 You have absolutely nothing to say about matty's hairline?miserable-bastard.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #Aj00h1YuFfjeY3FGaG by 0@lab.nyanide.com
       2024-06-16T22:34:50.132132Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @realman543 @iska @m0xee Freebase your computer.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aj00p80aAU9YrG3SPw by Dicey@annihilation.social
       2024-06-16T22:36:33.873866Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @11112011 @realman543 @iska @pernia @m0xee is that matty
       
 (DIR) Post #Aj00qycS32BKJieJGq by p
       2024-06-16T22:36:54.276085Z
       
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       @0 @iska @m0xee @realman543 This is how the divine revelation happens.eatcomputerEATCOMPUTER.jpe
       
 (DIR) Post #Aj01628HGf0nYbiOuW by Dicey@annihilation.social
       2024-06-16T22:39:37.104747Z
       
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       @p @11112011 @realman543 @iska @pernia @m0xee don't worry your autism finally made me choose to leave and talk to my own family more rather than strangers on here so you did me a favor actually.  My life will improve because of you
       
 (DIR) Post #Aj01GfHyXXKrtWJx1E by p
       2024-06-16T22:41:32.817826Z
       
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       @Dicey @11112011 @iska @m0xee @pernia @realman543 No, the other one was.  The guy in this picture is a stand-in for me, I don't know how much clearer I could have been.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aj01ckQ88qIKBFfIIK by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2024-06-16T22:45:28.739371Z
       
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       @p @realman543 @m0xEE @iska @m0xee Thank you for the offer, but sadly I have to decline. At least $1K USD for shipping to Czech Republic, couple hundreds for import taxes (thanks EU) and market price for you isn't something I can afford now. Maybe sometime in the future, but I can't guarantee that.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aj02BcmuVl8gdyx0xk by p
       2024-06-16T22:51:50.474919Z
       
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       @phnt @iska @m0xEE @m0xee @realman543 Ha, I don't know what market price is, don't worry about that; I do not need them and I wish that they had a good home.  (Plus I get yelled at for having them.)Shipping is a serious bitch, though.  They're like 100lbs. each.  There shouldn't be any taxes on something that was basically free, though I have no idea how Europe works.  If you blow through LA and have a really massive suitcase, maybe you can just take it on the plane back.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aj0403JAHeOLKPeBuq by lnxw37b2@shitposter.world
       2024-06-16T23:12:09.301968Z
       
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       @p Oh, yeah. I have Squeak and Pharo ... but there's some impedance mismatch when using an image-based system on a file-based operating system. I'd like to experience Smalltalk (and Lisp) as the entire system.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aj04Kct3iBgbSxFMNU by 0@lab.nyanide.com
       2024-06-16T23:15:39.380371Z
       
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       @m0xee @p @realman543 @iska look at floorplans seriously they are wonderful.  colorForth & esperForth are important even if they're underrated."meme languages" are /g/ cope.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aj05DiLV7MZQK5onKa by pernia@cum.salon
       2024-06-16T23:25:48.302807Z
       
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       @p @realman543 @iska @m0xee no.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aj05c2BizomGoSqHSK by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2024-06-16T23:30:09.204636Z
       
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       @p @realman543 @m0xEE @iska @m0xee >I don't know what market price is, don't worry about that; I do not need them and I wish that they had a good home.  (Plus I get yelled at for having them.)Getting something this significant for "basically free" isn't something that I would ever allow.>Shipping is a serious bitch, though.  They're like 100lbs. each.Yeah, the $1K was an approximate for two lighter (empty HDD bays) 4U servers.>There shouldn't be any taxes on something that was basically free, though I have no idea how Europe works. Customs use the total cost that would include shipping. EU is stupid when it comes to international shipping. To combat the zero import tax in EU, they have high taxes when shipping from outside EU (especially US and Japan.)>If you blow through LA and have a really massive suitcase, maybe you can just take it on the plane back.That is certainly an option, if I happen to be in/near LA. The plane tickets and extra luggage fee for that are basically the same as shipping it one-way.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aj0azp98EZHntSS9o0 by p
       2024-06-17T05:21:53.055939Z
       
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       @lnxw37b2 > Oh, yeah. I have Squeak and Pharo ... but there's some impedance mismatch when using an image-based system on a file-based operating system. I'd like to experience Smalltalk (and Lisp) as the entire system. I'm not sure what the difference is between loading an image and staying inside that image, and having the VM as the only process running on your machine.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aj0b7K7nSHVrzyP9ma by p
       2024-06-17T05:23:14.376439Z
       
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       @pernia @iska @m0xee @realman543 YOU HAVE TO WATCH THE TRAILER PERNISuntraceable-trailer.mp4
       
 (DIR) Post #Aj0cRqWUoB6kE5J7Ym by p
       2024-06-17T05:38:09.216455Z
       
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       @phnt @iska @m0xEE @m0xee @realman543 > Getting something this significant for "basically free" isn't something that I would ever allow.I got them for free.  The ed tech company had the office next to the one that we were sub-leasing a room from gave it to me because they would otherwise have been paying to have it taken away.  If you get to them before anyone else, I don't need any money, but if you do something cool, send code or pics.> two lighter (empty HDD bays) 4U servers.One of the really appealing things about these machines is also the source of their inconvenience:  they are massive and the cases are steel.  I think they could probably survive being used as cover during a shootout without even rebooting.> Customs use the total cost that would include shipping.Holy fucking shit.> EU is stupid when it comes to international shipping.Yeah, I had some terrible experiences trying to *donate* hardware to open-source OS hackers.  Last time I did it, the guy had to drive to Barcelona twice, I had to send a fax to Spain, he ended up paying more than the hardware actually cost, I think I apologized to the guy once a day and I didn't go into their IRC channel again.> That is certainly an option,It'd have to be a really big suitcase.  Like, full-length 4U boxes, lots of steel as mentioned.  Try to carry two of them back with you and you will wear holes in your shoes just walking through the airport.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aj1NDbz8l87aveQ67c by 11112011@annihilation.social
       2024-06-17T14:22:12.101945Z
       
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       @Dicey @p @iska @m0xee @pernia @realman543 i see u guys had a nice sunday
       
 (DIR) Post #Aj1OCrKiJIUOC6iRP6 by 11112011@annihilation.social
       2024-06-17T14:33:16.860739Z
       
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       @Dicey @p @iska @m0xee @pernia @realman543 are u retarded dummie or both?
       
 (DIR) Post #AjOlY2OIvzfpDnGtvc by m0xee@social.librem.one
       2024-06-28T21:13:10Z
       
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       @0 Aren't both Forth and LISP /g/'s darlings? At least I think this is where half the SICP memes come from 🤔And when I say "meme-something" it doesn't inherently mean that it's bad — it's just that people use it more often in conversation than in practice. (Have anyone using "Freudian slip" ever read a page of Freud?)In a lot of cases it means that it's something impractical — but again, not necessarily.@realman543 @iska @p
       
 (DIR) Post #AjPZu8gzBMWWqMk4Ia by p
       2024-06-29T06:37:26.077554Z
       
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       @m0xee @0 @realman543 @iska > Aren't both Forth and LISP /g/'s darlings?The things that are popular in places like that do not need practical application, just smugness.
       
 (DIR) Post #AjQZfftVeMt2dFf90K by 0@lab.nyanide.com
       2024-06-29T18:09:28.164680Z
       
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       @m0xee @realman543 @iska @p I only ran into forth using it directly on a chip that interested me and I have not spoken about it with anyone.  It's possible that it's a meme language in that sense otherwise, but I wouldn't be aware of it.
       
 (DIR) Post #AjR3rQoOY853xEnCAi by p
       2024-06-29T23:47:48.434589Z
       
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       @0 @m0xee @iska @realman543 IT IS SO GREAT
       
 (DIR) Post #AtkzEW0F0JSvVkLLns by mikuphile@gearlandia.haus
       2025-05-04T17:11:08.332316Z
       
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       @takao @realman543 @longyap @iska @p @mint @m0xee @riserise 's wife
       
 (DIR) Post #AtkzT4uS1ENfpHZye8 by riserise@shrine.moe
       2025-05-04T17:13:48.480304Z
       
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       @mikuphile @realman543 @longyap @iska @p @mint @takao @m0xee >posted 10 months ago :tsugu_smile:
       
 (DIR) Post #AtkzwvFKVkJsXlZm2C by mikuphile@gearlandia.haus
       2025-05-04T17:19:10.124419Z
       
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       @riserise @realman543 @longyap @iska @p @mint @takao @m0xee I was just checking whether Takao had Mitoposted before. I had to stop when husky would not load any more images:mito_ugh:.
       
 (DIR) Post #Atl0DDRIda1DbMwaum by takao@shitposter.world
       2025-05-04T17:22:09.346218Z
       
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       @mikuphile @realman543 @longyap @iska @p @mint @riserise @m0xee I usually avoid nijiposting since the company is shit, but Mito is good. Same goes for Nui Sociere.
       
 (DIR) Post #Atl0JoFkg4nnVzgeCO by mikuphile@gearlandia.haus
       2025-05-04T17:23:18.243968Z
       
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       @takao @realman543 @longyap @iska @p @mint @riserise @m0xee Holy booba.
       
 (DIR) Post #Atl0egFpbzjomxfyyW by takao@shitposter.world
       2025-05-04T17:27:07.196745Z
       
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       @mikuphile @realman543 @longyap @iska @p @mint @riserise @m0xee https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNV44AM_kW0
       
 (DIR) Post #Atl14PDVZybJTdr9IO by takao@shitposter.world
       2025-05-04T17:31:46.118643Z
       
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       @mikuphile @realman543 @longyap @iska @p @mint @riserise @m0xee https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4v3cQ0o8SM
       
 (DIR) Post #AtlJwueKjBTbmBXmzI by p
       2025-05-04T21:03:19.010689Z
       
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       @mikuphile @riserise @iska @longyap @m0xee @mint @realman543 @takao > I was just checking whether Takao had Mitoposted before.Thoroughness on fedi is to be commended.
       
 (DIR) Post #AtlK5IaPcDJaKbi04O by nach@detroitriotcity.com
       2025-05-04T21:04:49.201735Z
       
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       @takao @realman543 @longyap @iska @p @mikuphile @mint @riserise @m0xee i don't know who this lady is but, sexo :sexo:
       
 (DIR) Post #AtlKpiAMqGXSzFeq2a by takao@shitposter.world
       2025-05-04T21:13:12.769995Z
       
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       @nach @realman543 @longyap @iska @p @mikuphile @mint @riserise @m0xee an older lady who likes RPGs and horse racing gambling
       
 (DIR) Post #AtlMi0JtfADWshZFtQ by mikuphile@gearlandia.haus
       2025-05-04T21:34:10.413791Z
       
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       @takao @realman543 @longyap @iska @nach @p @mint @riserise @m0xee Cute hag, I want to floof her hair.
       
 (DIR) Post #AtlNVAacGkewvCpe7c by takao@shitposter.world
       2025-05-04T21:43:06.855841Z
       
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       @mikuphile @realman543 @longyap @iska @nach @p @mint @riserise @m0xee here she's playing Grandia. Hope you like kansai-ben.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wyDu2F701E