Post AixTZYPbPIugzK5TN2 by Merovius@chaos.social
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(DIR) Post #AixLiemsH2LbjYnnV2 by ZachWeinersmith@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T15:46:31Z
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One thing I kinda understand but kinda don't about the newer right wing movements is why they like each other so much? Like, the shared view is "our country first," but of course they're each referring to their own country. To the extent they're opposed to so-called globalists, it makes sense, but it doesn't seem overly consistent to me.
(DIR) Post #AixM1QHwP9ESGhHWt6 by floby@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T15:49:53Z
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@ZachWeinersmith to me it's more about white supremacy than anything else.
(DIR) Post #AixMXUZO1QQCoUjX5E by HighlandLawyer@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T15:55:42Z
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@ZachWeinersmith Because they all want everyone in their properly labelled little box. Obviously their own box is superior, but they'll work with the inferior others who also want to do the same, at least until the job is done, because they accept "the truth" that people need to be properly segregated & labelled.
(DIR) Post #AixMdlFIvwUkGrKUHw by Oggie@woof.group
2024-06-15T15:56:50Z
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@ZachWeinersmith The base problem is that you're thinking of them as a group, and they're not. They're a lot of groups, under the lead of one person who says a lot (and I mean a LOT) of stuff he doesn't mean, and nobody believes...but they think 'he's our guy' and they know the secret code to what he really meant to say was (and leaders of each grouping reinforce this).Net result, three people at a MAGA/Trump rally hear the same speech, discard 70% of it. Venn with no overlap.
(DIR) Post #AixMklJD67UiUeUjdA by Legit_Spaghetti@mastodo.neoliber.al
2024-06-15T15:58:06Z
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@ZachWeinersmith They want isolation not just for their own country, but for all countries. They don't want international collaboration because in such an isolated world they imagine they'd be free to engage in whatever atrocities they feel like without anyone meddling in their business. They envision a utopia that requires a strongman's unfettered cruelty to achieve, and a connected world with porous borders is in opposition to that idea.
(DIR) Post #AixNNh6wdg2WlfK1ey by jlperuyero@masto.nobigtech.es
2024-06-15T16:05:06Z
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@ZachWeinersmith Countries are mere trenches to hide. Someone convinced them to fight for billionaires and their right to become richer & richer. Is just picking poor people willing to battle and condition them to fight the rest of the poor. The whole ideology behind this is just hollow rhetoric.
(DIR) Post #AixNgmDvr1Xy7ugoIC by wordshaper@weatherishappening.network
2024-06-15T16:08:35Z
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@ZachWeinersmith I think it’s mostly because they’re not really in power yet, so are more focused on the system they’re fighting to destroy than opponents in the same general ideological hellhole they inhabit. Infighting usually starts once the groups hold enough power that they don’t have to look outward as much.
(DIR) Post #AixNwNdD3VLCUKx9Rg by mistersql@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T16:11:24Z
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@ZachWeinersmith People critiquing Tucker Carlsons interview with Putin noted that Tuckers questions were for American conservatives and that is why the interview went off the rails. Russian conservative got different conclusions, even if similar methodology (keep the good old ways!)
(DIR) Post #AixOu1TqXd8dAB0tGK by richardknott@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T16:22:12Z
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@ZachWeinersmith The French and German far right have had a bit of a fallout over the AfD defending the SS
(DIR) Post #AixP5NrxdkjRmpi5aa by michael_w_busch@mastodon.online
2024-06-15T16:24:13Z
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@ZachWeinersmith Consistency is not something that authoritarians value.
(DIR) Post #AixQEKBsmpskwCr6Ei by fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk
2024-06-15T16:37:03Z
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@ZachWeinersmith Because "my country first" is a lie: populism at best, neo-fascism at worst. They don't actually care about that, just about the cruelty.(And if in ten years time it also transpires that many of these parties were getting funding from the exact same sources ... that won't generate much surprise with me.)
(DIR) Post #AixR7t9sTmElJbPdtg by Crell@phpc.social
2024-06-15T16:47:02Z
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@ZachWeinersmith For the rank and file: They're fine with "those people" if they stay "over there" in "their place." But "they" don't belong "here."For the leaders: They're just good old fashioned fascists. Consistency, logic, and honesty are non-goals. Power is the goal, and if hypocrisy gets them that, cool beans. That's what they signed up for.
(DIR) Post #AixTZYPbPIugzK5TN2 by Merovius@chaos.social
2024-06-15T17:14:30Z
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@ZachWeinersmith Ultranationalism is a means, not an end to them. The (shared) goal is the destruction of democracy and grabbing absolute power. That is easier to do, if international relationships break down as other countries become isolationist as well. And they can share the narrative of nebulous enemies and erode the notion of truth together.It's always been that way, FWIW. There's a reason the fascists where allied in WW2
(DIR) Post #AixU1x11WcblP38D32 by willyyam@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T17:19:38Z
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@ZachWeinersmith The consistency is power. Each group wants to be able to dictate to "others", and never dictated "to". They are all comfortable making common cause, because "everyone they know" is on their side. As long as the goal is met (an unfair system), they are sure that their superiority will ensure that they are on top.
(DIR) Post #AixUFp6limCUvuQwOu by wikkit@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T17:22:10Z
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@ZachWeinersmith You don’t want to collaborate across international borders to end international collaboration?
(DIR) Post #AixW3OEk0DXQ1gMTeC by Beachhart@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T17:42:19Z
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@ZachWeinersmith it makes more sense when you stop thinking of them as actually "for" anything. They are not. They are "against" something they hate, fear, and project all their weakness and failings on to. This is how extremist Zionists and Nazis are on the same page with killing Palestinians. It's not about supporting their movements, it's about hurting someone they villainized. It's not about cooperation, it's about mobbing up.
(DIR) Post #AixdIOKcdD5wLLDFhI by darkoneko@shelter.moe
2024-06-15T19:03:27Z
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@ZachWeinersmith the again, consistency never has been their strong point
(DIR) Post #AixkNqM6Z9NSNvS9hY by glutto@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T20:22:53Z
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@ZachWeinersmith Sure, it's a rosy and loyal "our country first" view, but in action they never help each other out to accomplish their "our country first" view. At that step it's cut-throat capitalism: "I got mine, and I'll take yours, too."
(DIR) Post #Aiy19nLmdnE2EOBpLs by duncan_bayne@emacs.ch
2024-06-15T23:30:49Z
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@ZachWeinersmith I assume it's like the Axis alliance in WW2. A mix of expedience but also shared values: collectivism (especially racism and sexism of all forms including anti-LGBT), anti-democracy, the Fuhrerprinzip. Especially that last one, which distinguishes them from totalitarian left-wing states.
(DIR) Post #Aiy4S05EL1venSosq0 by 2tussock@mastodon.nz
2024-06-16T00:07:44Z
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@ZachWeinersmith It's coded speech that shows their political alliance.After all, you have to show you're a proper person with the correct politics and thus deserving of respect. Unless you're Autistic and think words should mean things, but most people aren't.
(DIR) Post #Aiy4kFqUTOkktYd61Y by dutch_connection_uk@mastodo.neoliber.al
2024-06-16T00:11:01Z
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@ZachWeinersmith They already don't get along and get tied up in conflicts with each other. Since they're not bound by any real ideological commitment, they're both more inclined to marriages of convenience and stabbing each other in the back. There really hasn't been much unity between different authoritarian nations, Syria will act as an Iranian ally while simultaneously tipping off Israel on the location of Iranian command staff, Turkey will trade with Russia but shoot down Russian planes
(DIR) Post #Aiy617YUeJuS3nolsG by mlazz@aus.social
2024-06-16T00:25:16Z
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@ZachWeinersmith "Unbeknownst to themselves, the Far Right have become a Rainbow Coalition."-- John Safran closing remarks from "John Safran's Race Relations" (2009)John Safran is an Australian Jewish comedian who made a documentary about far right groups and noted that seemingly ideological enemies had joined forces, eg Zionist and Neo-Nazi groups, an Australian anti-immigration politician and an evangelical political party led by an immigrant, etc.https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1536736/
(DIR) Post #Aiz4CR2UXlgAvK4oJU by jamiemccarthy@mastodon.social
2024-06-16T11:39:38Z
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@ZachWeinersmith There are plenty of xenophobic right-wing nationalist groups in Africa and Asia and for some reason they never buddy up with them do they