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(DIR) Post #Aix56n1fb0RR0ye0gK by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-15T12:40:21Z
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If you see a new youTube channel with a plain sounding name like "NatureView" or "BrightScience" etc. and there is what looks like a tempting video on a specific education topic "Most Active Volcanoes" or "Incredible Carnivorous Plants"There is a 50/50 chance it will be a generated voice with stock footage and a script written by GPT. I am now avoiding videos if I don't recognize the creator, or don't see signs it was made by a person. So much spam!
(DIR) Post #Aix5RPLiotqXfFr4Mq by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-15T12:44:03Z
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I could maybe tolerate such content were it not riddled with errors. Give it 30 seconds and it will say something FALSE.I am a little worried people are watching these and getting their heads filled with plausible, but wrong facts about obscure topics. "I thought no snakes with horizontal markings were venomous.""I thought this ant was native to this region so it'd be fine to release..."This like ... some evil masterminds plan to grind human learning to a halt...
(DIR) Post #Aix5biaM9iEeDgcHOS by 1Bit@bitbang.social
2024-06-15T12:45:49Z
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@futurebird I've noticed this about astrophysics videos and space exploration
(DIR) Post #Aix5frmzsU3FvJVVHE by peter@area51.social
2024-06-15T12:46:27Z
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@futurebird I'm the same, seeing so many new channels, sometimes hiding out the channels I do know & watch.
(DIR) Post #Aix5hI4PeSGpioKedk by memphismary@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T12:46:43Z
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@futurebird keeping us ignorant, you mean? 🤔
(DIR) Post #Aix5k4ck6Jvkt5iV1s by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-15T12:47:18Z
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Yes, videos made by people can have mistakes... but there are far fewer mistakes ... and the mistakes ... How do I explain this?When a person makes a mistake about some fact about science or nature it's normally based on something, it comes from some perspective on the world. And people tend to make the same predictable set of mistakes... not just random mistakes sprinkled all through everything they say. We aren't accustomed to this kind of misinformation. So it's easier to buy in.
(DIR) Post #Aix5w5YaSSGxFwVCU4 by peter@area51.social
2024-06-15T12:49:36Z
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@futurebird also with the speech.For example 1969 would be read out as nineteen sixty nine by a human but all the ai generated stuff says it as one nine six nine
(DIR) Post #Aix6GPYToYrB4U8uFU by ujay68@mastodon.world
2024-06-15T12:53:11Z
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@futurebird … which will all be fed into the next training cycle. 👌🏻🤷🏻♂️
(DIR) Post #Aix6LTGxQ9Pi34MLWy by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-15T12:54:13Z
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@ujay68 Like a human centipede Möbius strip of content generation.
(DIR) Post #Aix6NpUplRGRYNyUQi by tottinge@techhub.social
2024-06-15T12:54:27Z
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@futurebird True AND you think you're going to watch a human-produced video about something you're interested in, but it's really just several minutes of someone stalling to keep you watching long enough for the algorithm to reward them. :-(Is human watch-time spam less awful than GPT/VoiceGen spam?
(DIR) Post #Aix6ckq5MUslSA21Tc by tottinge@techhub.social
2024-06-15T12:56:46Z
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@1Bit @futurebird I watched a video about a town in Scotland and not only was the generated voice full of mispronounciations, the video mostly showed photos of a similarly-named town in another country. It wasn't even the same city. I suspect someone out there is generating the video and the voice and all from some program that doesn't know the difference. I guess that's a way to try to make social media bucks?
(DIR) Post #Aix6jNIHIj34SKNKLI by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-15T12:58:31Z
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@tottinge @1Bit If you can crank out videos that get about 10k views every day you can make a nice little income. That's what they are doing... and since these videos aren't going viral ... they aren't seen by millions there isn't much awareness of deeply this flawed content is penetrating the public and replacing educational videos where people might learn a little thing or two.
(DIR) Post #Aix6zMyOGGZM5uhS4G by NatureMC@mastodon.online
2024-06-15T13:01:18Z
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@futurebird There's a huge problem with fake channels meanwhile. And many are more evil than "some mistakes"!Even worse are fake children animation films that are used for political propaganda and much much worse. Too few people report such accounts ("it's nice") and public prosecutors are overwhelmed by the volume.The BBC warned of "Bad science videos": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojjn9T_fuUw
(DIR) Post #Aix7GyZfiJdzdTX89A by lienrag@mastodon.tedomum.net
2024-06-15T13:04:34Z
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@futurebird How could a stochastic parrot not make such mistakes ?
(DIR) Post #Aix7NjZ7ulAd77V6y8 by mcc@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T13:05:44Z
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@futurebird For that matter, I do wish YouTube videos made by humans would cite their sources. But at least humans know what their sources were! The "AI" throws away that information (and I believe it's designed to do so on purpose… if they'd designed it to know where its content came from, someone might try to make them pay royalties…)
(DIR) Post #Aix7vLxeBL3pkf07WK by ChrisWere@toot.wales
2024-06-15T13:11:52Z
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@futurebird It's getting ridiculous out there.
(DIR) Post #Aix8BJNNYoI4Mre8R6 by NatureMC@mastodon.online
2024-06-15T13:14:20Z
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@mcc These AI-fakes are only set up to make profit by as many clicks as possible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojjn9T_fuUwSources: Producing a podcast, I read so much for every episode that it would be impossible to quote every single source. But as a human, people like me can be asked, we answer. And if someone finds a mistake, we can at least correct it in the next episode! And good youtubers work like this and give the main sources.Therefore, I look for real persons I also can see in the video.@futurebird
(DIR) Post #Aix8jLroo0MdwI7Ep6 by Weanerdog@c.im
2024-06-15T13:20:39Z
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@futurebird Any content with a generated voice is promptly switched off and dismissed. As is any video that shows a leading scientist in it's thumbnail and references them as if the video is by them but then is presented by someone completely different, like bye.
(DIR) Post #Aix9KYYQb6dI0DmpOK by OutOnTheMoors@beige.party
2024-06-15T13:27:37Z
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@futurebird It's so cynically done, too. All done not to impart knowledge (even muddle-headed nonsense) but to get revenue from ads.
(DIR) Post #Aix9sGjhLrUOaP8L7g by holsta@helvede.net
2024-06-15T13:33:43Z
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@futurebird I have stumbled upon a handful of YouTube accounts made by dutch people where they preface every video with them talking and walking, and then there's two slides of tech questions and answers.Entirely automated. The worst account has millions of videos.
(DIR) Post #Aix9uCreiX9l9pmOBc by cmthiede@social.vivaldi.net
2024-06-15T13:33:52Z
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@futurebird everything "on the line" is kibble for the bots, learning and growing every second of the day, discovering nuances in tone, alternative views, you name it, it's gross. Every liked comment by Lingolette on LinkedIn is another node of broader understanding for the human class.
(DIR) Post #AixAuHXtPdM9d98SG0 by sertaptap@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T13:45:15Z
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@futurebird sigh, can't blame but so depressing
(DIR) Post #AixAy3JoFb86fELVnE by tofugolem@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T13:45:59Z
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@futurebird This is the "firehose of misinformation" that Rebecca Watson warned about.
(DIR) Post #AixBvz8ytuRz5jrKpE by Iamgroot11@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T13:56:47Z
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@futurebird and YouTube expects me to sit through ads with these types of videos too. Yeah no thank you.
(DIR) Post #AixC82iFSRVzdR6Y0O by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-15T13:58:56Z
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@Iamgroot11 I switched to firefox to get away from googles ads. They have broken Chrome to their own advantage and I hope more people bail from Chrome over this. By the way Firefox made the switch over a sheer joy. Smoothest app transition I've ever had. I was worried about losing bookmarks and logins and such and everything just copied over perfectly. Five stars!
(DIR) Post #AixCBF1a8gd0gjfmd6 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-15T13:59:34Z
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@Iamgroot11 Granted now I have two browsers open at once all the time... but it just makes me feel fancy. (I need Chrome for work... can't be fixed. )
(DIR) Post #AixCEXEkskNY2fPBU8 by BLTpizza@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T14:00:02Z
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@futurebird I've been clicking out of any video with a computer generated voice. That tech has gotten better but eventually they butcher a word. I'm with ya on the spam content. I think it has flooded out good creators. I have to go to my sub list to see new content because it's not showing in my feed.
(DIR) Post #AixCMzAytAiB0hfZLs by beecycling@romancelandia.club
2024-06-15T14:01:43Z
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@futurebird I'm always getting "Five Facts About Red Pandas" ones, that are like this. Footage I often recognise from other popular red panda videos, A.I. voiceover, "facts" often incorrect.
(DIR) Post #AixCUJydwwCBYCOdn6 by Iamgroot11@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T14:02:19Z
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@futurebird I didn’t know Firefox blocked ads, I’ve been using brave browser strictly for YouTube
(DIR) Post #AixCY8bo9tkbS0XFbM by internic@qoto.org
2024-06-15T14:03:40Z
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@futurebird The actual human YouTuber Kyle Hill made a video covering this phenomenon a while back, which was both informative and entertaining. I believe he's been trying to get his considerable following to report such videos (since they are inevitably full of copyright infringement), though I'm guessing that's a losing battle. One funny thing he pointed out was that if it is a fake science or engineering video there is a significant probability that the thumbnail will include either Elon Musk or Michio Kaku.https://youtu.be/McM3CfDjGs0?si=ZtbrFHl7LsZHT95Q
(DIR) Post #AixCbUJZuel5dhbd44 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-15T14:04:20Z
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@Iamgroot11 It's more that the standard ad-blocking extensions still work on Firefox, while they longer works on Chrome. About three months ago they did something to Chrome and to youTube that made all of the ad-blockers stop working. If I can't block the ads? I just won't watch anymore. It's that simple for me.
(DIR) Post #AixCpUvsPf8zbqCTGi by malin@dice.camp
2024-06-15T14:06:52Z
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@futurebird There's an 'Argentine Ant Addon'https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/argentine-ants/
(DIR) Post #AixCrh0AVjNzcXFoq8 by beecycling@romancelandia.club
2024-06-15T14:07:12Z
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@futurebird @tottinge @1Bit Kyle Hill, a genuine science YouTuber, did a couple of videos about these types of channels. They're swamping YouTube with misinformation.https://youtu.be/McM3CfDjGs0?si=bWyPjhTi94L8nhHYhttps://youtu.be/ZMfk-zP4xr0?si=a4y96TGyB2LB4lMM
(DIR) Post #AixD02nfLhAhXlO9Gi by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-15T14:08:44Z
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@malin Aw... it's just a static theme... I was hoping they would crawl around...What about an addon with ants that come out and eat ads? That could be amusing.
(DIR) Post #AixDBxoFjHk3XaLYHY by Iamgroot11@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T14:10:54Z
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@futurebird TIL Thanks!
(DIR) Post #AixDFJ5R4tTyOoyhIu by malin@dice.camp
2024-06-15T14:11:20Z
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@futurebird Or ants could click and collect them?Ad nauseum is an ad clicker. It poisons data by clicking on every advert in the background until your algorithmic feedback is a maelstrom of nonsense.https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adnauseamDays like this, I wish I had more time to learn to program...
(DIR) Post #AixDJCpAIsGA8RE7Xc by drakenblackknight@mastodon.online
2024-06-15T14:12:00Z
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@futurebird @Iamgroot11 See if you can switch to @brave. It's based on the same browser engine as Chrome and will block ads and trackers out of the box (still requires hardening, though).
(DIR) Post #AixE3InuP3Qc0AcTNA by brothersoul@mstdn.social
2024-06-15T14:20:31Z
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It's really bad now. Brother
(DIR) Post #AixEvCBrD0kT7wWH32 by Gurre@mastodon.nu
2024-06-15T14:30:14Z
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@futurebird @Iamgroot11 I made the switch a few months ago, and the only thing that really annoys me is the lack of tab groups. The way I can watch youtube in peace without ads is soooooooo good.
(DIR) Post #AixFcD3vqG5sHgK6T2 by PTR_K@dice.camp
2024-06-15T14:38:01Z
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@futurebird As coincidence would have it, this just came through my feed:https://climatejustice.social/@Brad_Rosenheim/11262058353985887#Bullshit
(DIR) Post #AixFlxWWTBqkzGLSt6 by luis@mstdn.party
2024-06-15T14:39:47Z
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@futurebird there needs to be a worst name for it. “Spam” just isn’t cutting it anymore.
(DIR) Post #AixFupYJTY5As5Pf2O by nataliethaile@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T14:41:23Z
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@futurebird imo AI is just a tool, like a knife, it's good or bad depend on the purpose. If the creator using AI trying to educate I say give them a chance to improve. If just for clickbait & view then it's spam
(DIR) Post #AixH0uHEvFTBDSt7wm by mensrea@freeradical.zone
2024-06-15T14:53:42Z
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@futurebird @Iamgroot11 now you're no ff it's worth taking a look at the Container Tabs and Temporary Container plugins. they're really handy for isolation of accounts and for privacy
(DIR) Post #AixH3FiCCQBkH3cCau by goob@social.wub.site
2024-06-15T14:54:08Z
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@futurebird @Iamgroot11 I actually have three of them now: one for personal stuff, one for work stuff, and one for the howling nonsense that I try to keep locked down in a box so that it doesn’t escape.
(DIR) Post #AixHUN3F1GqMr7OFHM by nota@chaos.social
2024-06-15T14:58:59Z
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@futurebird These were already a scourge before, just with using lightly edited speech-to-text transcripts of existing popular videos underlayed with cheap stock footage and now it's even cheaper, it's so annoying
(DIR) Post #AixIZM2oI58f8Q82gi by cosvak@mastodon.world
2024-06-15T15:11:10Z
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@futurebird I've taken the opportunity of the web being invaded with low effort ai garbage I'm going waaaaaay back in TV.Started watching I Love Lucy from the pilot, show still slaps hard. Also episode two Lucy and Ricky have the beds pushed right next to one another. How scandalous for the time ;)
(DIR) Post #AixJAOBjHaW4UxxaM4 by dalias@hachyderm.io
2024-06-15T15:17:49Z
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@futurebird I'd estimate it more like 99/1...
(DIR) Post #AixJx9VQexUJ9TQVG4 by ratsnakegames@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T15:26:39Z
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@futurebird @tottinge @1Bit If you want to avoid giving those bozos money inadvertently, adblock.
(DIR) Post #AixK2VlBLZMDcTLluC by todwest@beige.party
2024-06-15T15:27:36Z
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@futurebird It's relentless, isn't it? I do the same. Not sure how many channels I've blocked. I'm sure it numbers in the 100's.
(DIR) Post #AixKMYFxm5xD9bItJg by Craftycat@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T15:31:15Z
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@futurebird I've noticed the same with blogs and article pages. Was searching the web for some specific sprouting recs a few weeks ago and I'm pretty sure the first 3 pages of results were just LLM slop. Incorrect info, the blandest content you've ever seen, very generic domains etc... I can't imagine how much misinformation is being spread out there..
(DIR) Post #AixKxsqqAOOHk4M13o by MsHearthWitch@wandering.shop
2024-06-15T15:37:55Z
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@futurebird Kyle Hill did a really great video on the proliferation of ai science YouTube channels. It's enlightening and depressing
(DIR) Post #AixLWDuKO1C8tPMMZk by ravenonthill@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T15:44:09Z
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@futurebird mushroom identification.
(DIR) Post #AixM5PnMBG7ntesbeC by toridas_@wandering.shop
2024-06-15T15:50:33Z
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@futurebird I've already had two appear on my feed and the thumbnails are so obviously AI generated "art"
(DIR) Post #AixN204dSI17D0tgpM by marius@kiessling.social
2024-06-15T16:01:06Z
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@futurebird My YT recommendations seem to be immune to this junk so far. However, my tendency to be interested in cute pet videos on Instagram Reals seems to have served this kind of content very often recently. Often, the clearly LLM-generated descriptions have nothing to do with the content but seem to sway the recommendation system. I should really just cut this platform out of my life.
(DIR) Post #AixNbX8MWwyxsWaGzQ by orange_lux@eldritch.cafe
2024-06-15T16:07:18Z
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@futurebird I also saw someone speaking about AI's habsburg era. @ujay68
(DIR) Post #AixO65FcFUAMNUXoFU by skydog@sfba.social
2024-06-15T16:13:01Z
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@futurebird I'm wondering when my "blocked" stack on YT is going to overflow. The content of which you speak is crap, for the most part. I can count the content providers I'll tolerate it from on one hand. (Dark Seas, and sites where I've got a good idea they're staying close to fact, and the voice isn't too distracting.There's the advent of background audio, too. It has spread from that AWFUL string waterfall on commercials, an acknowledged propaganda technique of de-focusing on the script, into some political pundit sites, and it DRIVES ME UP A WALL.
(DIR) Post #AixP5RYbvdd9Dyggz2 by howdynasir@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T16:24:09Z
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@futurebird https://openinapp.link/h8fgd
(DIR) Post #AixPQtHa2eGpIIws5Y by howdynasir@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T16:27:38Z
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@futurebird https://openinapp.link/h8fgd
(DIR) Post #AixQnxdE8bIvOhdd2m by m3t00@mstdn.party
2024-06-15T16:43:24Z
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@futurebird quit 'watching' videos long ago because of tech howtos that are basically boring talking with little useful content. skip skip bleh. unskipable? quit. AI might be able to improve most youtube videos. Music is the exception. like MTV once upon a time. expect ads to ruin them for me soon. subscription? no way
(DIR) Post #AixS96eXtMMzPatyIC by ianhecht@saskodon.ca
2024-06-15T16:58:26Z
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@futurebird I'm curious why Google/YouTube doesn't crack down on this harder. Surely the hosting costs aren't worth the clicks on ads for garbage like this?
(DIR) Post #AixVw4dWTfbPD4SrFA by mybarkingdogs@freeradical.zone
2024-06-15T17:40:55Z
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@futurebird Ugh yeah, especially with weather/disaster stuff stock footage (especially recognizable from something like storyblocks etc) is a huge red flag for this spammy nonsense for me *because* there's so much footage out there that's either completely free OR that could be used for not that much money than you'd use FOR a stock footage site (e.g. paying a storm chaser for video)
(DIR) Post #AixW9yXHxKniLMB3Ca by leberschnitzel@existiert.ch
2024-06-15T17:43:23Z
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@futurebird that's exactly what I'm scared of with so many ai results. It's fun to read things that you know aren't true, until you realize that many kids will now learn like this and the nonsense they look at won't be creative things like skibbidy toilet, but things that claim to be reality.... scary times ahead.
(DIR) Post #Aixa5sNZIwFluHvoVk by jpaskaruk@growers.social
2024-06-15T18:27:26Z
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@futurebird the Dead Internet theory is not entirely without merit, but it's more like The Internet Has Necrotizing Fasciitis theory.
(DIR) Post #AixddOAiQ8nPveaj1E by Lokjo@mstdn.social
2024-06-15T19:07:09Z
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@futurebird With a bit of luck, google will go down one day soon. :)
(DIR) Post #AixeulZKmfSdN2xN68 by Qybat@batchats.net
2024-06-15T19:21:19Z
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@futurebird I've seen many such channels. Curiously, they have a high proportion of stories relating to Elon Musk or his various companies. I guess he scores high in SEO metrics?
(DIR) Post #AixfKn4HpfdVY8qMme by siddhant@me.dm
2024-06-15T19:26:11Z
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@futurebird I guess that's the brave new world we live in now. Pretty soon, the only "real" content left on YouTube will be influencers hawking diet tea and unboxing videos. Progress!
(DIR) Post #AixftRejQz5pHCPno8 by PTR_K@dice.camp
2024-06-15T14:16:16Z
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@michaelgemar @mcc @futurebird Not sure if this is exactly part of the same issue, but I've heard there is actually a "black box problem" for AI.Basically: What exact process did the AI make its decisions or what specific aspects of the data presented did the AI latch onto in order to provide its output in any given case.This seems to be a problem for researchers themselves and they're trying to come up with ways to figure it out.
(DIR) Post #AixftT1oKf9FX4DkQ4 by Qybat@batchats.net
2024-06-15T19:28:03Z
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@PTR_K @michaelgemar @mcc @futurebird It's actually worse than that.. You can ask the AI for its reasoning easily enough. But it can't actually answer because the way they work internally doesn't retain that information. Instead they will just generate a new answer to that question, based only on their previous answer. A generative predictor actually has no memory, at all, other than its own output.
(DIR) Post #AixftUDBvpqVCeYLnU by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-15T19:32:26Z
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@Qybat @PTR_K @michaelgemar @mcc Whoa. It's obvious to me that asking something like chat GPT "Where did you get that answer?" will only produce text that sounds like what GPT's matrices say ought to be the response to that question... and it couldn't possibly be an actual answer to the question.But if many or most people don't see this is shows a deep fundamental understanding in what these tools are doing... and might explain why people keep trying to get them to do things they can't.
(DIR) Post #AixkF5p3gstdkTp6wa by rhyseverquill@social.coop
2024-06-15T20:21:13Z
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@Iamgroot11 highly recommend Waterfox, a fork of Firefox. Allows you to use both Chrome Extensions and Firefox Addons (if that's the reason you still need Chrome for work). Alternatively, switch Chrome for Chromium, the open-source version. Tweak settings for privacy + install uBlock Origin and you're good to go.
(DIR) Post #AixmJBbAMEmUjGP9uq by glennsills@dotnet.social
2024-06-15T20:44:22Z
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@futurebird Tech bros gonna bro
(DIR) Post #AixpHx4JC5S9Ep8gC0 by nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T21:17:46Z
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@futurebird @Qybat @PTR_K @michaelgemar @mcc Yeah, people truly don't understand how LLMs work. They don't know that it's more of just a vaguely putting together what seems to fit based on a loose overview of overall human writing.I'd argue alignment and manual overrides to some responses possibly confuses this even more. They think manually configuring it to not suggest glue on pizza is the answer to all the issues, but it just causes more confusion since people don't see what it really is.
(DIR) Post #AixsJLS6JxhH0zcjGC by nottrobin@union.place
2024-06-15T21:51:34Z
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@futurebird @Qybat @PTR_K @michaelgemar @mcc yes that's absolutely it!I think the trouble is that, for us humans, language is our interface to the world. So much of our understanding of reality is communicated through language that it's kind of like our single point of failure, the perfect hack. We can't comprehend of something being able to say all those clever words, without actually being smart, because words are also the only way we have of telling if other people are smart.
(DIR) Post #Aixt1NIaogD3U4AgSW by nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T21:59:35Z
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@futurebird @Iamgroot11 I've been sad that Firefox is less light and efficient than Chrome and the switch has been painful on my super low end devices (Raspberry Pi, an old mini-pc that uses a processor even a low end laptop wouldn't be proud of, etc) but Google has completely lost their minds and I don't even trust the (mostly) open source Chromium anymore.God I miss back when companies like these at least TRIED to maintain a veneer of decency. It was thin, but at least it was there.
(DIR) Post #AixwBboU0UXjG2ewEK by YurkshireLad@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T22:35:03Z
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@futurebird @Iamgroot11 did you install uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger?
(DIR) Post #AixwaVQQtUisgZHX6W by MacBalance@mstdn.games
2024-06-15T22:39:34Z
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@futurebird We’ve noticed a lot with dog breeds ( #shihtzu in our case) and very generic ai-narrated videos of things like “top signs your <breed> secretly hates you.”
(DIR) Post #AixyRJhDKlXNbrsRUG by shiri@foggyminds.com
2024-06-15T22:02:53Z
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@nottrobin @mcc @michaelgemar @PTR_K @Qybat @futurebird the way I describe it, LLMs are "intelligent" but not necessarily "smart", with both terms being complete junk to begin with which is why people argue over them constantly.They possess certain cognitive abilities around language processing, but not a full set of cognitive abilities and many fall in "sub-human" or "lower end of human" ranges (a popular usage of one it's good at is Executive Function, which gets it used by a lot of ADHD/Autistic people who have an impairment in our executive functioning).I definitely agree regardless that they're either applied poorly or presented poorly in most cases. (ie. applied poorly meaning cases like customer service LLMs that get companies sued, and presented poorly being cases like search where people are treating it as authoritative as opposed to supplementary).And the programming assistant side gets wildly misrepresented (as someone who happily uses AI as a programming assistant, but never in the ways people seem to think it gets used...)
(DIR) Post #AixyRKellLAyaZk0Jc by nottrobin@union.place
2024-06-15T22:37:37Z
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@shiri @futurebirdI'm afraid I just disagree. LLMs aren't a "lower end of human" intelligence. It's completely different in kind.Someone's written a complex formal model of language and run it over insanely huge amounts of text to calculate millions of statistical data points about what text comes next. Then they wrote a program to receive a blob of text input and use the statistical graph to generate a blob of text in response.Intelligence means many things, but this is none of them.
(DIR) Post #AixyRLCRk87AH1Uto9 by nottrobin@union.place
2024-06-15T22:57:12Z
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@shiri @futurebird There is nothing like "understanding". That's the language trick I was talking about.When it says "I'm sorry that was my mistake", it's just regurgitating what some humans have said before in a slightly different order.When you ask it what it's like to be an AI, it regurgitates an amalgam of the sci fi & fan fic people have written about what an AI might say.It's what Timnit Gebru called a stochastic parrot.
(DIR) Post #AixyRLk7iv3LxTFnIe by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-15T23:00:15Z
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@nottrobin @shiri I remember being surprised to learn that some people never think without hearing words, a kind of narrated version of their thoughts. My thoughts don't work like that all the time, thoughts don't always have narration. It seems to vary from person to person. I wonder if people who always hear their thoughts as words are more likely to see a LLM as "thinking" ?
(DIR) Post #AixyvxXJlyZHrNrMqe by CurtAdams@urbanists.social
2024-06-15T23:05:51Z
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@futurebird @nottrobin @shiri I hear at least narration anytime I'm thinking and it's appropriate but I very quickly realized LLM "intelligence" was bogus. I am a programmer, tho, so I understood what was going on under the hood.
(DIR) Post #Aixz8eOKGTzsFOhnay by nottrobin@union.place
2024-06-15T23:08:06Z
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@futurebird @shiri Interesting. I might be one of those people. I do sort of have an internal monologue, but then on another level of course I'm thinking without words. It's so difficult to put accurate words to the psychological dimension.You might be right, that might make a difference. I do feel like I have to make a rational effort to reject the idea that chatgpt is clever. Maybe for you it's more instinctive. But, of course, we'll never know. Not without Neurolink 😂
(DIR) Post #AixzfaoqZEX2iyooQy by nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T23:14:07Z
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@futurebird @nottrobin @shiri FWIW, I mostly think in words (not 100% always of course!) and still recognize that LLMs are definitely not "thinking."Though of course I understand their underlying mechanisms better than most also, so that obviously plays a part in this.
(DIR) Post #Aiy0QCt1Ml3g6ozxAm by brothersoul@mstdn.social
2024-06-15T23:22:30Z
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@futurebird It's probably Terrence Howard trying to make up some new stuff again. 😂 Brother
(DIR) Post #Aiy1BhQ7ewoGQ17xUu by mina@berlin.social
2024-06-15T23:31:04Z
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@futurebird Without any statistical relevance, I, as a person with a constant inner monologue, do not see LLMs as "thinking". Not at all. How could they? They don't even have a consciousness.Animals most certainly have one. I would say, animals definitely do think, just not in words. @nottrobin @shiri
(DIR) Post #Aiy3E5OHi1LzFUX8Xg by lufthans@mastodon.social
2024-06-15T23:53:59Z
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@futurebird stuff created by humans can perpetuate inaccurate information ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming#Misconceptions ), but AI collects misinformation like a conspiracy theorist hoarder then blends inaccurate data to create more misinformation
(DIR) Post #Aiy3MPCPweSX06wwgS by catmisgivings@stranger.social
2024-06-15T23:55:26Z
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@futurebird @nottrobin @shiri I definitely remember thought for me being primarily visual when I was very very young, flipping to the narrated internal monologue thing later. I do wonder if the convention for expressing thoughts as narration in film/TV had anything to do with it
(DIR) Post #Aiy56kLXkhsnrXsZxg by elaterite@fosstodon.org
2024-06-16T00:15:01Z
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@futurebird It's way past time that machine learning content be clearly labeled --by law and with severe penalties for not doing so.
(DIR) Post #Aiy5TQed8KZTRtcfui by ItsJenNotGoblin@goblin.camp
2024-06-16T00:19:07Z
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@futurebird @nottrobin @shiri I always hear my thoughts as words (I think it's my ADHD that does it) and I don't think of LLM as thinking, especially given all the evidence of it being wrong often. But I couldn't answer if it's MORE likely that people who "hear their thoughts" think it's working. Most of the people I know, both personally and parasocially, that have ADHD know LLMs are a scam and are not artificial "intelligence" at all as the currently exist. The people I see touting it's effectiveness most loudly are the programmers, which of course they are, their job and compensation depends on it, and neurotypicals.
(DIR) Post #Aiy77kHxeVvpsho9Lc by chiraag@mastodon.online
2024-06-16T00:37:36Z
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@futurebird Oh god, it's started 😔So thankful I found creators I like before all of this bullshit started flooding everything. Most are on Nebula too, which is an added bonus (hardly go to YT anymore except for a few channels I can't watch on Nebula).
(DIR) Post #Aiy8TbAGM9vduNBueO by ricosuave@mastodon.online
2024-06-16T00:52:46Z
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@futurebird @nottrobin @shiri Wow. Stupid me, I thought everybody had that voice in their head, enunciating words as one thought them.Admittedly, there are a few times for me when the wheels aren't spinning constantly (like, when out birding). But mostly, fairly nonstop stream.Actually used to play a mental game ("in case someone was reading my thoughts"), where I'd think of one thing in a loud inner voice, but also simultaneously carry on a secondary thought stream ... "below it". TIL
(DIR) Post #AiyAuedpjl6MQ23GQi by paulc@mstdn.social
2024-06-16T01:20:04Z
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@futurebird @nottrobin @shiri I don’t know about the LLM thing but I wish the voices would shut up at times.
(DIR) Post #AiyB3wVwej2aSMn66S by derek@www.glidden.life
2024-06-16T01:21:43Z
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@futurebird Kyle Hill (a real guy, despite looking like Thor) did a good dive into the "AI Science Spam" problem on YouTube here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McM3CfDjGs0Since he does fun, yet accurate, SCIENCE!-related videos to teach people about SCIENCE!, he has a personal interest, not only because this AI slop competes with him, but because they steal his content to make it!He mentions he has a hobby of reporting every one he can find, and what does YouTube do about it? Meh... It's content!
(DIR) Post #AiyEjtJtDrykZeqWxs by elronxenu@mastodon.cloud
2024-06-16T02:02:56Z
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@futurebird I dislike these AI-generated videos. The voices are very smooth, almost flawless, until at some point they mispronounce a word in a way no native speaker would.The tell, for me, is there's no live human on the video. No "I'm Jerry, and this is ....".The other highly annoying aspect of these AI-generated videos is the narration repeats the same points over and over.
(DIR) Post #AiysjISCHn8mP20GW0 by llewelly@sauropods.win
2024-06-16T09:31:00Z
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@futurebird @nottrobin @shiri I am convinced the major factor is that corporations are funding a multi-million $$ propaganda campaign to convince people that LLMs are "thinking".
(DIR) Post #AiysyBfDoSzPgiCCSe by llewelly@sauropods.win
2024-06-16T09:33:44Z
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@futurebird @nottrobin @shiri nearly all of my thoughts come with an internal narrative, but the narration is often not the only aspect of the thought; some thoughts come with feelings, images, and other sensations.
(DIR) Post #AiyweufDC85FHGFvlI by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-16T10:15:05Z
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@llewelly @nottrobin @shiri My controversial stance is that thinking isn't possible without feelings. At least not thinking as we know it. (and the other controversial idea is that insects have very simple feelings.)
(DIR) Post #AiyxFt9blqGRJG6ZLk by nottrobin@union.place
2024-06-16T10:21:45Z
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@futurebird @llewelly @shiri oh because if this thread, last night I went looking up that #Chomsky theory about the centrality of language to the development of human thought, and found this #ScientificAmerican article about how that theory has basically been disproven. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/evidence-rebuts-chomsky-s-theory-of-language-learning/(Although I'm of course no developmental psychologist or language theorist and I wouldn't implicitly trust a #popscience publication)
(DIR) Post #AiyxKZxGa0IbDFZK0u by jannem@fosstodon.org
2024-06-16T10:22:34Z
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@futurebird @llewelly @nottrobin @shiri Feelings are the conscious representations of emotions. And emotions are fundamentally evaluations of your state or situation - is this thing or situation good? Bad? Scary? Tasty? Sexy? Dangerous?With that definition, insects definitely have emotions. You could argue that a thermostat embodies the simplest possible emotions (are we too hot? Too cold? Just right?).
(DIR) Post #Aiz4BgfWwnyp6myp8a by ytc1@mastodon.sdf.org
2024-06-16T11:39:23Z
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@futurebird @Iamgroot11 I'm a life time FF user, however recently had to drop it from my mobile due to power usage.Currently on a 2 month cycle trip and phone used for navigation.I'm looking forward to reinstalling it on my return.
(DIR) Post #Aiz7edBBIfNEXwHGaG by artemis@dice.camp
2024-06-16T12:18:16Z
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@futurebird @nottrobin @shiri I dunno...why would you think that would be the case?My thoughts are all verbal. I think and interact with the world almost entirely through words (I *can't* think visually—I appear to have some form of aphantasia), and I find LLMs to be total horseshit.
(DIR) Post #Aiz9F0wuVATIe8W0ES by psa@masto.ai
2024-06-16T12:36:03Z
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@futurebird @Iamgroot11 Plugins I don't see otherwise mentioned but highly recommend:* ClearURLs* Cookie AutoDelete* Decentraleyes* Facebook Container* Google Container (may break using your Google credentials to login to other sites if you use that)* NoScript (takes a fair bit of setup and breaks some sites, but will protect you from most JavaScript nonsense)* Unhook - Remove YouTube Recommended & Shorts
(DIR) Post #AizK6jRenS4LXO9MHo by hoco@tribe.net
2024-06-16T14:37:47Z
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@futurebird it’s technological nepotism. Its owners have promoted it even though it’s incompetent. And they won’t hear anything bad about it no matter how loudly we yell. But, this nepobaby is coming after the jobs of thought workers which had been much safer in the past. Company leaders not caring whether the answers are right are info terrorists. They are the flat earthers of tech. They are bullies and should be treated as such.
(DIR) Post #AizO41F4ZSKXgLE34S by Tim_G4CH@mastodon.social
2024-06-16T15:22:06Z
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@futurebird 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
(DIR) Post #Aj1z9zmw78glqwPksS by benmeier_@hachyderm.io
2024-06-17T21:27:10Z
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@futurebird I feel like I interact with YouTube mostly through "subscriptions" tab these days😐
(DIR) Post #Aj2lolixxxwGeCDbfc by mxk@hachyderm.io
2024-06-18T06:32:24Z
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@futurebird Not to disagree, but the spam of AI voiced, stock image "documentaries" has been going on for quite some time.I am not sure if ChatGPT generated texts are better or worse than what we got before.I once encountered an Astronomy channel, which apparently was reading out automatically translated Wikipedia entries.
(DIR) Post #AjlGfeSr9G7xO6d6Uy by residualentropy@c.im
2024-07-09T17:45:13Z
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@futurebird It totally sucks, both for the users and for actual creators (especially if you don’t want to show your face for any number of reasons)Intentionally tanking discoverability is basically the only way to not be drowning in spam these days.