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(DIR) Post #AivEQGaQQQ6XT7LKcK by ZachWeinersmith@mastodon.social
2024-06-14T15:15:21Z
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I wonder if we'll start to see a bunch of these new data centers going to low-population places where wind power is cheap, e.g. Nebraska? Like I assume for a lot of this stuff distance from population isn't a huge deal?
(DIR) Post #AivEe3HsfSISHCF5uq by mdione@en.osm.town
2024-06-14T15:17:49Z
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@ZachWeinersmith you still need good connectivity, so it depends a lot on the infra. Most probably would be close to inter state cables/fibers.
(DIR) Post #AivEoQO9dINGor7gSu by dzwiedziu@mastodon.social
2024-06-14T15:19:43Z
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@ZachWeinersmith Wind power alone won't do, due to it's not stable productions. At least not without setting up a battery farm or a mountain and two lakes for pumped-storage. DC's can also depended on water for cooling.
(DIR) Post #AivF7Z0Rohhp34A0oK by xyrill@digitalcourage.social
2024-06-14T15:23:08Z
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@ZachWeinersmith Not data centers per se, but Germany has seen some industrial manufacturing relocate from the classic industry centers in the South (esp. Bavaria) to coastal states like Schleswig-Holstein.
(DIR) Post #AivFM1rFLOKMaHkpVI by foolishowl@social.coop
2024-06-14T15:25:45Z
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@ZachWeinersmith Datacenters also need a lot of water.
(DIR) Post #AivFXQOeRwXbsKoTaa by rk@mastodon.well.com
2024-06-14T15:27:48Z
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@ZachWeinersmith At the speed of light, everything is close to population.
(DIR) Post #AivFXgXkPtK9xBBxzM by mistersql@mastodon.social
2024-06-14T15:27:54Z
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@ZachWeinersmith Mercury is where it's at best place for data center, solar power-wise.
(DIR) Post #AivGln1fDAbi4DTTdo by Paradox@raru.re
2024-06-14T15:41:39Z
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@rk @ZachWeinersmith Not always. When it comes to ping, being geographically closer does have advantages in some cases. Which is why some software will choose the closest server for a service automatically.I don't know exactly how much that matters overall.
(DIR) Post #AivGpwA3Bl1LYeNItU by wikkit@mastodon.social
2024-06-14T15:42:23Z
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@ZachWeinersmith Iowa is big on wind power. https://apnews.com/article/chatgpt-gpt4-iowa-ai-water-consumption-microsoft-f551fde98083d17a7e8d904f8be822c4
(DIR) Post #AivHDYvrCl92Ss09fE by LeftOfKarlMarx@mastodon.social
2024-06-14T15:46:40Z
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@ZachWeinersmith They will go where their power and water usage is subsidised.
(DIR) Post #AivHNpKf5It0DyUwcq by VE2UWY@mastodon.radio
2024-06-14T15:48:27Z
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@ZachWeinersmith Google built a data center in Pryor, Okla, long before the current scam (“AI”).
(DIR) Post #AivHWfxbIZe5lQvmOu by dougmerritt@mathstodon.xyz
2024-06-14T15:50:01Z
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@ZachWeinersmith I've heard that it's common to assume a 50% loss of power in remote power plants due to transmission line costs.But I guess you're talking about using the power locally in a remote location.
(DIR) Post #AivIZOXSd0BsYSZ4Ii by SkipHuffman@astrodon.social
2024-06-14T16:01:45Z
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@ZachWeinersmith Council Bluffs Iowa is one of Google's biggest data centers. https://www.google.com/about/datacenters/locations/council-bluffs/
(DIR) Post #AivJ4isX3SwqcBMJlI by WowSuchCyber@toot.zof.sh
2024-06-14T16:07:03Z
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@ZachWeinersmith it still impacts the latency of access so they probably want to stay close to the big city they serve
(DIR) Post #AivKABZLuY4V01YZ72 by abigbear@cutecatgirls.cafe
2024-06-14T15:52:22.592Z
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@Paradox@raru.re @rk@mastodon.well.com @ZachWeinersmith@mastodon.social a good deal comes down to processing as well cause, at minimum, your going to be bouncing through many other networks before you actually get to where you are going, each router doing X milli/nano seconds of routing. Farther it is, the more hops you need too. Fiber also only travels at roughly 0.7 the speed of light. Light is only "the speed of light" in a vacuum. Not inside of some kind of transmission medium like fiber.
(DIR) Post #AivKACviqrYlDh1wcS by Paradox@raru.re
2024-06-14T16:19:40Z
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@abigbear @rk @ZachWeinersmith Good points. Also I knew about the vacuum thing, but I didn't know it was that much of a slowdown, wew.
(DIR) Post #AivPrkai4lERqBmg7s by ronpar@mastodon.social
2024-06-14T17:23:34Z
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@ZachWeinersmith Check the Omaha area. Wind and water available as well as access to network.
(DIR) Post #AivWCcngpsiDU7Bz60 by reedmideke@mastodon.social
2024-06-14T18:34:34Z
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@ZachWeinersmith Yes, as long as there's fiber and cooling, anywhere it continental US is fine for lots of stuff (vast swaths of the internet are in Virginia because us-east-1 was the original/default AWS location). Seems like an area where some pretty modest incentives could very effectively put a thumb on the scale. Margins are already thin and heavily dependent on energy costs, so an incentive to build where it's sustainable wouldn't have to be big to take it from tossup to clear win
(DIR) Post #AiwysHtzuuuQhtl1KC by MacBalance@mstdn.games
2024-06-15T11:30:33Z
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@ZachWeinersmith Connectivity is important, and people need to be able to travel to the site to work occasionally.