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(DIR) Post #AiscxxoeXDeUWZie0G by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-13T09:06:12Z
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After some conversations with friends NOT on the fediverse I've arrived at calling it "independent social media."This is better than "open source" or other titles, it better conveys the central difference.
(DIR) Post #AiseBXAGWLgXsIrYdE by wiredfire@mstdn.social
2024-06-13T09:19:47Z
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@futurebird great phrasing. I’m in the process of writing a “taking back control” post for friends and family and will absolutely be using this to refer to fediverse places!
(DIR) Post #AiseRpyAN9j2pXyfdQ by KevinMarks@xoxo.zone
2024-06-13T09:22:42Z
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@futurebird this parallels us coming up with "indieweb" a while back
(DIR) Post #AisnmhQ4Ftexyw3DGa by _elena@mastodon.social
2024-06-13T11:07:19Z
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@futurebird ooooh I like the sound of it — I’ve just started a blog trying to recruit friends to the Fediverse. I love everything about it, but I’m missing my people / communities from the dead bird site 🥲
(DIR) Post #Aisrl0XWayNyWHzIXI by JeremyMallin@autistics.life
2024-06-13T11:51:50Z
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@futurebird 👍👍
(DIR) Post #AissIntG8FaF8NGjlw by WhiteCatTamer@mastodon.online
2024-06-13T11:57:59Z
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@futurebird Another option might be “cooperative platform” as opposed to a corporate or closed platform, since what makes the fediverse distinct from, say, hosting your own blog, is that it’s designed with consenting connection and cooperation in mind.
(DIR) Post #AisszsORGYzXYGOL3o by paulc@mstdn.social
2024-06-13T12:05:38Z
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@futurebird That is pretty good since the emphasis should be on the social part and not the technology.The average person does not care about “open source.” They will care about it not being corporate.
(DIR) Post #AistJ5ewAQrOCKGpd2 by amynews@amynews.social
2024-06-13T12:09:11Z
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@futurebird I like that!!! Thank you for sharing!
(DIR) Post #Ait0IDZ5zIMe6g4LnE by draeath@social.sdf.org
2024-06-13T13:27:29Z
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@futurebird good idea.I've had a friend who thought the "fedi" meant Federal and they checked right out of the conversation.
(DIR) Post #Ait0jWVPfuMyfWMobI by Sean@liberal.city
2024-06-13T13:32:26Z
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@futurebird ad-free and algorithm-free social media might be putting the best foot forward when talking to someone not using it already.
(DIR) Post #Ait0ueCpNzUNjgyiQa by Kierkegaanks@beige.party
2024-06-13T13:34:28Z
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@futurebird unmusked dezucked
(DIR) Post #Ait3A9iQiQqtiJHZy4 by jwcph@helvede.net
2024-06-13T13:59:32Z
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@futurebird Good one, I'm going to start using that, too.
(DIR) Post #Ait3eDkKIJvQtyVPiC by asharas@piaille.fr
2024-06-13T14:05:01Z
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@futurebird I recently heard "individual proof" to describe the Fediverse but it requires a bit of explanation to make it clear, "independent" is more explicit for non-tech folks but I can already hear someone starting a sentence with "Actually..." 😸
(DIR) Post #Ait5EkgfOjrJRgmFeK by artemis@dice.camp
2024-06-13T14:22:55Z
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@futurebird I've been calling it "non-corporate," but "independent" flows better.
(DIR) Post #Ait6FlzC9d9PiYUiSO by bikepedantic@transportation.social
2024-06-13T14:34:16Z
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@futurebird i love this! Captures the essence so positively
(DIR) Post #Ait9AgdktzwjYJjTqi by MrAptronym@mastodon.social
2024-06-13T15:06:58Z
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@futurebird it sounds good and relates to things people do know. I like it a lot. I will try using next time someone asks!
(DIR) Post #Ait9DzleFB4DkA0B72 by TrickTim@mstdn.social
2024-06-13T15:07:36Z
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@futurebird Love it.
(DIR) Post #AitBB2C0yCu4Iy3C1g by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2024-06-13T14:15:41Z
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@paulc @futurebird In my experience, anyone who tolerates Facebook for more than a few seconds doesn't care about any of this. Half the time, they don't even notice that they're looking at an ad. It's depressing.
(DIR) Post #AitBB3GIzjvhcZ48Lw by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-13T15:29:21Z
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@mansr @paulc I wouldn’t assume that is always true- some people on Facebook only follow a few people and use it for the clubs and groups features — these are often full of real people and can have high standards of moderation (that free moderation labor should be on an independent platform IMHO doing moderation for a facebook group is working for the zuck and not getting paid!)These are people who depend on facebook to make it “easy” to run such groups.
(DIR) Post #AitBFX85tEXnPbMV9M by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-13T15:30:16Z
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@mansr @paulc My point is what we see— and what we know to be possible isn’t widely known. Now why would that be?
(DIR) Post #AitC4IZtkfg339Zdtw by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-13T15:39:25Z
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@marley @semitones @WhiteCatTamer Do people need to understand that email is decentralized to use it and like it? Do people think there is a central post office of the internet?
(DIR) Post #AitCigzgOS8SMEtajY by n1vux@mastodon.radio
2024-06-13T15:46:44Z
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@futurebird excellent, thank you. ( @Algot , FYI )
(DIR) Post #AitD7tJXiw8PoACVY8 by thelovebing@mastodon.nu
2024-06-13T15:51:18Z
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@futurebird Marcom 101
(DIR) Post #AitDO4RM7pLiwqZPTk by foolishowl@social.coop
2024-06-13T15:54:09Z
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@futurebird This is a great idea. Open source is a technical strategy, and independence is the goal. It makes more sense to focus on what the goal is.
(DIR) Post #AitEYBPr8zjvQvFqN6 by n1vux@mastodon.radio
2024-06-13T16:07:13Z
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@futurebird @mansr @paulc yes. Using groups, pages, & notifications, it is possible to self-curate a decent experience on the FB 🔥site, with the help of the group mods. (And i also do some of the latter.) I used to say the same of 🔥🐦Xhitter; and Lists and Communities are still useful there; "For You" still is half-decent (creepilly accurate!), but they're actively making it difficult to avoid seeing the promoted bumph before/between. (I've locked down and rarely visit as needed.)
(DIR) Post #AitT656oV00L4mPD3Q by jenkinse@mastodon.social
2024-06-13T18:49:22Z
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@futurebirdIndependent social media could also encompass social media generally not considered part of the fediverse like Matrix
(DIR) Post #AitTWs4n3uK6TVEY0O by jf_718@mas.to
2024-06-13T18:55:06Z
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@futurebird Oooooh... I like it!
(DIR) Post #AitWtz4NWiZOgfkmrA by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-13T19:32:53Z
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@maxissakitsune Those aren't independently run though. It's not like Gab users control Gab.
(DIR) Post #AitYpO9f26WowqA2Ns by cthululemon@social.cthululemon.com
2024-06-13T19:54:28Z
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@futurebird @marley @semitones @WhiteCatTamer Wait there isn’t? Who is Tim Berners-Lee if not the internet’s postmaster general?
(DIR) Post #AitdNLs4QhxLWmNq4m by semitones@tiny.tilde.website
2024-06-13T20:45:07Z
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@futurebird @marley @WhiteCatTamer the only confusion is "if this is Mastodon, why does it say tiny.tilde.website?" For email, people understand that email isn't always on email.com, but functionally that's all you need to know...
(DIR) Post #AitpoyHiuoAPw0Jpuy by jenkinse@mastodon.social
2024-06-13T18:24:39Z
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@Sean @futurebirdI have heard many folks refer to fediverse as "algorithm-free" but that's not really true, I mean if you explore trending toots, theres an algorithm behind that, just more transparent then the twitter or facebook algorithm. And there are some fedi platforms which use algorithms to balance your home feed with toots from high volume and low volume accounts. So algorithms aren't necessarily bad themselves, it depends which algorithms and how you use them
(DIR) Post #AitpozEZO1EqsVqpdo by Sean@liberal.city
2024-06-13T18:57:50Z
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@jenkinse @futurebird I did not know that, I had assumed that my feed was exactly as my followed accounts posted them.There is the possibility of toots being paid for by an advertiser, but I still think that the ad-free & algorithm-free is essentially accurate when talking with a friend who is on xitter or other private for-profit-maxization social media platforms.
(DIR) Post #Aitpp0CplxRbtQ2xZg by nus@mstdn.social
2024-06-13T21:22:13Z
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@Sean @jenkinse @futurebird Don't forget the other evil algorithm: Engagement.If you think arguing with me is bad (as you should!) just imagine an algorithm that's designed to keep you arguing as long as possible in as many places as possible, so more ads can be shown to you.
(DIR) Post #Aitpp140aFykYKvQSO by Sean@liberal.city
2024-06-13T22:47:24Z
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@nus @jenkinse @futurebird algorithm is the method of inducing engagement from the herd of users/advertising audience, without a distinctive difference between the twoI think it's inevitable that AI bots will be the majority of the interactions on platforms that are seeking out to maximize engagement... and likely in the next year or so not off in distant future
(DIR) Post #Aitpp25SmKjjj8c6Ma by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-06-13T23:04:46Z
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@Sean @nus @jenkinse As long as everyone can agree not to notice that it's all gone to the bots... it will be just fine they can keep spending money, and serving pages to nobody as we all move away into other corners of the internet where advertisers are not welcome.
(DIR) Post #AityWI1EDhFNDvloZ6 by TerryHancock@realsocial.life
2024-06-14T00:42:21Z
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@futurebird "independent social media"I like it. It's not only accurate, but also evokes relevant connections (like to "independent media" generally).It does submerge the defining characteristic of these platforms interacting with each other. But then, in the paper publishing world, interoperability is assumed:One is free to read any paper, regardless of who publishes it. Open federation protocols are a return to this norm.
(DIR) Post #AitzQe4vOEHFrCN6Po by aronow@hachyderm.io
2024-06-14T00:52:31Z
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@futurebird @IAmDannyBoling oooo I like that!
(DIR) Post #AiuHS3cfhUdoXtymqu by JoBlakely@mastodon.social
2024-06-14T04:14:26Z
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@futurebird taking your suggestion and called it that today with someone.
(DIR) Post #AiuLE122w4YWH0PMhc by olav@theweird.space
2024-06-14T04:56:45Z
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@futurebirdIt's tricky. Ignoring Threads what if NBC opened shop here?
(DIR) Post #Aiv8ItQDYLAlsAfYfo by hikingdude@mastodon.social
2024-06-14T14:06:41Z
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@futurebird excellent idea and naming!
(DIR) Post #AivAVRyJ7gn4PVjKBU by nus@mstdn.social
2024-06-13T22:57:48Z
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@Sean @jenkinse @futurebird I take it you already know about the dead internet theory, then... And if not, it's definitely worth a Google....not a Google, actually.A DuckDuckGo. I think the only way to fight back against a bot infestation is to keep websites small enough that moderators can actually keep them out. (They don't even necessarily have to be federated like this, but mastodon makes it pretty easy for a plug-and-play social network that already has people involved.)
(DIR) Post #AivAVTJy6diAays8aO by Sean@liberal.city
2024-06-14T11:57:56Z
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@nus @jenkinse @futurebirdI was not aware of that specific term but was aware of the concept from Corey Doctorow's (@pluralistic) 'enshitification' which is not limited to the prevalence of bots but the deliberate worsening of online services and communities for the sake of engagement and profits that has wall-garden-inoperablity and bots as the conveyance of the enshitification.
(DIR) Post #AivAVUZFTJWoSf1r2e by nus@mstdn.social
2024-06-14T14:25:34Z
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@Sean @jenkinse @futurebird I think there's a lot of overlap in those concepts for sure. Bad management can definitely get you bots, intentionally.And in the case of Twitter, the bots also gets you bad management; Elon Musk has no idea how to run his website, and hiding :red_heart: 's seems to be the newest way to obfuscate the fact that Nudes-In-Bio bots are inflating those Like counts, announcing themselves to people by liking their posts.