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(DIR) Post #AifbwKefTI3mCf51Ae by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-07T02:23:30Z
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I'm so sick of people who start off complaining about capitalism and fascism and how dangerous they are, but then the moment someone suggests banning capitalist and fascist parties and restricting the promotion of these ideologies due to how dangerous they are that person gets met with "Whoa! That's taking it too far. FrEEdoM oF SpeECh! Blah, blah, blah!" What's the point of someone being anti-fascist/capitalist if they also think they should be treated equally to all other beliefs? So stupid!
(DIR) Post #AifcpT5nnmgGIc3x0C by asbestos@toot.community
2024-06-07T02:33:26Z
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@Radical_EgoComAny belief that operates by coercion or force is something that should be curbed. Tolerance paradox.
(DIR) Post #Aifi2wCzMPl88UfN2G by Rob500@ohai.social
2024-06-07T03:31:54Z
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@Radical_EgoCom Agreed. I would ban them entirely if I were making a communist or anarchist country. Any capitalists or fascists that emerge, I won't say how they should be delt with, on this comment, but that they should be dealt with.
(DIR) Post #Aigksp4fWZzW8ObRmS by irick@this.mouse.rocks
2024-06-07T15:25:39Z
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@asbestos @Radical_EgoCom I mean, it just literally doesn't make sense as an anarchist position. What is a political party in the context of an anarchist collective? Who is going to police the borders of a voluntary association?The assumption of state power is inherent in the suggestion, the structures that give rise to this expression are incompatible with an anarchist worldview. The question is more, how do we inoculate a community against the spread of anti-social ideologies. (cont.)
(DIR) Post #Aigksq53mbtlFtnH1s by irick@this.mouse.rocks
2024-06-07T15:31:09Z
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@asbestos @Radical_EgoCom The enemy to the anarchist is not fascism or capitalism. It is the alienation that these systems grow out of and thrive on. We should focus on how to address the cause as a matter of community health in conversation rather than top-down decrees banning symptoms. Both because that's more effective and because an 'anarchist' state power to enforce such a dictum is extremely oxymoronic.
(DIR) Post #AigksrDFZe2mladKQy by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-07T15:38:16Z
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@irick @asbestos Any solution to capitalism and fascism that doesn't involve directly combating capitalism and fascism (i.e., their organizations and the people who promote it) seems doomed to fail at its goal.
(DIR) Post #AigoYmT7ty8W4vk2YS by irick@this.mouse.rocks
2024-06-07T16:19:35Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @asbestos There is no solution to capitalism that does not address alienation. The aesthetics of resistance are just the co-optation of the revolutionary drive by the neo-liberal mechanisms of the market.
(DIR) Post #AigoofVfXiRL83VTlo by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-07T16:22:28Z
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@irick @asbestos Are you suggesting that capitalist and fascist organizations just be allowed to exist?
(DIR) Post #AigpvpBk3YM37zA728 by irick@this.mouse.rocks
2024-06-07T16:34:58Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @asbestos I'm suggesting that as a matter of practical resistance, build shit. Fixating on power fantasies like banning the 'opposition' is both philosophically suspect and practically a non-starter. We can implement dual-power resistance quite easily while addressing the root cause of anti-social ideologies. By eliminating the conditions that give rise to capitalism and fascism as popular political forces we combat them inherently.Everything else is just self defense.
(DIR) Post #AigqvaCrrHNccI8Zt2 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-07T16:46:07Z
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@irick @asbestos That's stupid. It's stupid to not eliminate capitalist and fascist parties and speech while also eliminating the cause of them. Doing both would be more efficient. It would prevent capitalists and fascists from stopping the elimination of the inherent systemic causes of the popularity of their ideologies.
(DIR) Post #AigsQKRCdVOcdr4DWy by OhSeitan@sociale.network
2024-06-07T17:02:48Z
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@Radical_EgoCom stupid is the exact word because this kind of logic implies a contradiction. usually a libertarian can do this kind of fallacious reasoning. but that's not new because since Bakunin the anarchist movement has had a poor rationality. I'm not saying communism is perfect by the way, but i think it's more rational.
(DIR) Post #AigtLPD3ZDtNwofOJk by irick@this.mouse.rocks
2024-06-07T17:13:09Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @asbestos If your volunteer firefighting group has a 'no capitalists allowed' rule, cool. But if you're here telling me that the 'no capitalists allowed' rule supersedes the fire fighting then I'd say we should re-examine priorities.Antifa isn't good because it's antifashist. It is good because it protects the vulnerable. The further we abstract into ideological warfare the less effectively Discourse is translated action.Build shit together. Overcome alienation. Fuck dogma.