Post Aie3YUDAhKGDICiUk4 by kholo@mastodon.pix-n-chill.fr
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(DIR) Post #AiYVtIdmXp89Fv7J44 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-03T16:12:37Z
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A critique of Cara.app: the 'No AI' Instagram and Artstation copycat child.blog post: https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1032/a-critique-of-caraapp-the-no-ai-instagram-and-artstation-copycat-child#cara #caraapp
(DIR) Post #AiYWGhFVDWrsEnuuAa by salva_pl@mas.to
2024-06-03T16:16:52Z
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@davidrevoy great! š
(DIR) Post #AiYXVPRJoYFfIi1Usy by MagotrapTheArchmage@blob.cat
2024-06-03T16:17:37.146623Z
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@davidrevoy What are your thoughts on Newgrounds?
(DIR) Post #AiYXVQaDYwxqqbC7Oa by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-03T16:30:43Z
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@MagotrapTheArchmage No idea, it's the first time I read the name. You can quickly apply this method to any social media product:- Is it owned by a commercial entity?- Is the source code closed?- What's the license?- Is the network centralized?Check also the terms of services, the code of conduct, and you'll get quickly a big picture or where things will logically goes. Good luck!
(DIR) Post #AiYXbBZWHrWs1oc6N6 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-03T16:31:48Z
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@pineaura I'm envious at your capacity to resist the FOMO effect. I must work on that. š
(DIR) Post #AiYXro9yaMhOL9alCC by squeakypancakes@sunbeam.city
2024-06-03T16:34:47Z
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@davidrevoy good to know, yesterday was my local art meet and some folks were talking about what comes next for art platforms.
(DIR) Post #AiYY24mbdVV0n8Yahs by ilanthar@ludosphere.fr
2024-06-03T16:36:35Z
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@davidrevoy Thanks a lot for this interesting review. And mentioning Pixelfed (that I didn't know about).
(DIR) Post #AiYYBzpitUPmKtkGRs by TomasHradcky@musicians.today
2024-06-03T16:38:27Z
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@davidrevoy I really appreciate this info. Many thanks.
(DIR) Post #AiYYEA5djMlcj4DrrU by Yuki@groupe-tazor.com
2024-06-03T16:34:47.513Z
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@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org @MagotrapTheArchmage@blob.cat Newgrounds existed since at least 1999 and as far as I know has been with the same management since then, so I guess it's a pass so far... until they don't
(DIR) Post #AiYYEBT4bj6d02C61g by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-03T16:38:50Z
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@Yuki @MagotrapTheArchmage Thank you for the information. I see they have a page on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newgrounds , I'll read it.
(DIR) Post #AiYYNgojQ9P6plrD3g by iok@shelter.moe
2024-06-03T16:40:34Z
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@davidrevoy DĆ©soler l'image ma fait penser a la corne de Kaamelott , mais ceci est tout aussi bien.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik9zRX1idPM
(DIR) Post #AiYZP6QDoC7kUOd9km by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-03T16:52:01Z
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@the1goit As I said in the article, I still need proof that the Glaze method is effective against AI scraping. Some thread shows it is not effective at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/19ecsj7/ive_tested_the_nightshade_poison_here_are_the/ , and we have here a proprietary and closed source product running on Windows and Mac (and already monetized with "Cara credits" on the platform.Difficult to buy, for me it's another "NO AI" commercial hype: they are building the habit.
(DIR) Post #AiYZPXcYgR2EqTbtEO by sylvia_ritter@mastodon.social
2024-06-03T16:52:10Z
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@davidrevoy I made an account to be easily found. But I am tired of being on every social media/platform page possible. I wonder if it is not better to focus on your favorites and interact more there with people who truly appreciate your work.
(DIR) Post #AiYZYup3n1FtPUvZse by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-03T16:53:48Z
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@sylvia_ritter I totally agree. šÆ
(DIR) Post #AiYZqW9gF10E7NxwzQ by viennawriter@literatur.social
2024-06-03T16:56:57Z
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@davidrevoy @sylvia_ritter Yep. Better a real community of like-minded people at a place you really like to be at.
(DIR) Post #AiYaTYMnx5QGGsibQW by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-03T17:03:59Z
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@redstrate Thank you! Fixed, and yes, this is a typo I do often: in French "Intelligence Artificielle" acronym is IA, the perfect inversion. So my brain is used to see it and skip it. š
(DIR) Post #AiYaaAhYKzdMtxZxgm by wanderingmeomeo@socel.net
2024-06-03T17:05:12Z
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@davidrevoyA very cool perspective on Cara! I'm intending to make an acc on Cara but way too busy atm. Your article really helped to calm the FOMO in me.
(DIR) Post #AiYavmMdVJ6hn86B7o by petit_suisse@toot.community
2024-06-03T17:09:05Z
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@davidrevoy you should not worry, you have alread your audience.however, i don't why people just not talk more about pixelfed ?anyway, artstation, carapp and co are crowded as f'
(DIR) Post #AiYcIs6QQz2yCh5jLk by tennoseremel@lor.sh
2024-06-03T17:24:31Z
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@davidrevoy Ewwā¦ Instagram has probably the worst UI in history of art sites, IMO.
(DIR) Post #AiYcUhRhsibccxgZmq by constancies@metalhead.club
2024-06-03T17:26:39Z
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@davidrevoy Interesting read! This is actually my first time hearing of Cara.I have a question about your point on Cara being a "Human made image stock": while this is definitely a good criticism of platforms like Cara, would it not also be easy for an AI company to create a Mastodon instance and scrape art via federation with other instances? Like if Facebook and Threads were to do this, for instance?
(DIR) Post #AiYeUVinfjDwAoic7s by moonshinebrigade@musicworld.social
2024-06-03T17:48:59Z
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@davidrevoy nice write up šHow exactly do they aim to be 'Ai free'? Is it possible to automatically detect ai generated images?
(DIR) Post #AiYfYA8NyW0qKlzW40 by Brahn@hachyderm.io
2024-06-03T18:00:51Z
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@davidrevoy Appreciate this. My SO is an artist, look forward to seeing if she joins.
(DIR) Post #AiYg5l5vZujEWLrSvQ by natsume_shokogami@mastodon.world
2024-06-03T18:06:57Z
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@davidrevoy Great post, but I have the issue that you suggested mastodon.art; the problem of that instance is that they defederate with too many instances for small reasons, and when the instances' admins and mods questions to reason they failed to provide evidences, and tend to assume bad faiths, even my second account's instance (tech.lgbt) got in the crossfire tho. Their moderation stances would not help any artist there, I am still baffled many people still recommend that instance
(DIR) Post #AiYgXfDX1WkMOuixxg by natsume_shokogami@mastodon.world
2024-06-03T18:11:58Z
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@davidrevoy @the1goit I think they use machine learning for their Glaze though, I'm a computer science student and know that even though we (humans) know many subtle errors that AI generated images have, most machine learning models aren't currently capable at processing the whole image, and the images need to go through multiple layers to simplify it (something like convolutional neural networks), and these layers may remove many features that can be used to detect these images
(DIR) Post #AiYggwET8C9RmKaKki by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-03T18:13:40Z
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@natsume_shokogami It's indeed hard to recommend an instance for artist, and I understand if you had a bad experience that this line I suggest is problematic. I'll try to get more information about it and revise my copy if I get evidences the network lack of transparency about that.
(DIR) Post #AiYj1fnpbx2OoR8m8W by granvalenti@mastodon.social
2024-06-03T18:39:51Z
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@davidrevoy I came to the same conclusion as you, but you explained it in a much more detailed way. Congratulations! i heard about "Cara" yesterday where posts appeared from established artists inviting people to follow them on this new platform.I must admit that, like you, I created an account on Cara for the famous FOMO. However, after thinking about it more, I decided that it's probably wiser to use what already exists and works well, like Pixelfed.
(DIR) Post #AiYkHJrr26eNMy2xl2 by xvf17@sfba.social
2024-06-03T18:53:46Z
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@davidrevoy @ElleGray No oneās going to make fun of that name. I mean, is there even a way?
(DIR) Post #AiYl4Et8KopS7EyJKy by tiopalada@socel.net
2024-06-03T19:02:40Z
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@davidrevoy It will be the same as the other one that emerged when the bird site shitstorm began. What was it again? Artfol, I believe?
(DIR) Post #AiYlAtJcwKpBEiXHpg by ancilevien74@piaille.fr
2024-06-03T19:03:51Z
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@Bouletcorp Ce billet de @davidrevoy sur cara.app devrait tāintĆ©resser suite Ć ton message sur bluesky https://bsky.app/profile/bouletcorp.bsky.social/post/3ktuaxlly3u24
(DIR) Post #AiYm58uO9X91oVYNkW by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-03T19:13:58Z
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@freezr Prove me that it works š Because in its current shape, Glaze/Nightshade is only pure marketing to me and a commercial product.
(DIR) Post #AiYmARi1gDk3ZRIeem by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-03T19:15:02Z
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@tiopalada š¤£ š¤£ š¤£ yes.
(DIR) Post #AiYnZfCojk7IciI5pY by sml@chaos.social
2024-06-03T19:30:47Z
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@davidrevoy Thank you for this. I also created a profile today and started copying over my artworks from Artstation, thinking people would care somehow.Your blog post made me realize I didn't actually want that, and that I have a really nice community with you guys here already.Guess what I did, I deleted my Cara account, no regrets.What I'm looking forward to now is Ghost implementing ActivityPub. That would allow me to eventually host my own federated portfolio + blog.
(DIR) Post #AiYoAk1Hnjv0GhZqXQ by BroBot90001@mastodon.online
2024-06-03T19:37:29Z
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@davidrevoy Or you could check out @pixelfed Itās a federated version of instagram built like mastodon. It even has a dedicated portfolio mode. Much better than jumping on another corporate platform.
(DIR) Post #AiYoXqfBGchRX7FvX6 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-03T19:41:41Z
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@BroBot90001 :bloblurk: Psss Pssss, read the end of the article.
(DIR) Post #AiYohxgG2176C1a8lE by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-03T19:43:26Z
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@freezr The researcher haven't made false claims. They say in the paper it's ineffective. You can check it (on the conclusion).
(DIR) Post #AiYolwGFFe4KwsJM0W by viennawriter@literatur.social
2024-06-03T19:44:07Z
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@davidrevoy Hm, sounds pretty much like any closed-fence platform to me.https://mastodon.social/@oatmeal/109383511262415597
(DIR) Post #AiYph6mMolXw4mb36e by BroBot90001@mastodon.online
2024-06-03T19:54:34Z
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@davidrevoy Excellent! Needs to be bigger cause my blind ass missed that the first go.
(DIR) Post #AiYq4AeKasncjxpp7A by tiopalada@socel.net
2024-06-03T19:58:44Z
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@davidrevoy To my surprise it is still alive-ish! Well done, artfol, you survived the gauntlet (for now).
(DIR) Post #AiYs2EyXjrjxUDUpJw by sumokirby@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-06-03T20:20:45Z
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@davidrevoy THIS
(DIR) Post #AiYsYp6svWf4p2w0lk by ocarneiro@ursal.zone
2024-06-03T20:26:39Z
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@davidrevoy wonderful! Thank you for writing it!
(DIR) Post #AiYwGVNZwjAqEUGPnU by amoonrabbit@mk.udongein.reisen
2024-06-03T20:58:20.739Z
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@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org Using AI to detect AI images or training AI to know human made images, thus still using uploaded content to train said AI? ā:akko_thonk:ā
(DIR) Post #AiYwGWIeWWpN5Uxzl2 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-03T21:08:01Z
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@amoonrabbit Oh yes, the irony is big here. š
(DIR) Post #AiYy7UQwIEmybLfGHw by Hibourdon@mamot.fr
2024-06-03T21:28:55Z
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@davidrevoy> "What we have here is a structure built on exactly the same rules at its core that guarantee a future enshitification: proprietary, closed and centralized. "... aurait sans doute suffit, mais tout le reste du billet rĆ©ussit Ć ĆŖtre intĆ©ressant quand mĆŖme. Bien jouĆ© !
(DIR) Post #AiYyFMkejqWP5odtlw by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-03T21:30:22Z
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@Hibourdon J'avoue, Ƨa rĆ©sume bien le tout. š Merci.
(DIR) Post #AiYyvUCbQXHqManaKW by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-03T21:38:00Z
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@iok š¤£ š¤£ š¤£
(DIR) Post #AiYzSzFb0knYDLAnr6 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-03T21:44:00Z
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@moonshinebrigade You can check what they write on their About page, the "our stance on AI" https://cara.app/about So, it's not a firm anti-AI gen art, but more like a 'we wait the law, and we ask to label them if the law is ok". They probably use a built-in AI tool to detect AI art like the one you can play on https://thehive.ai/demos (AI detection tab, the second icon from the top).
(DIR) Post #AiZ0FjwehmrSw0YrWy by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-03T21:52:50Z
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@constancies Thank you. Yes, I think making a bot and scraping the Fediverse (only by following art hashtags and collecting downloaded post) would be easy. But the user/bot would have to scrap only a relatively little batch; something that looks like a human reading a TL, or searching a topic. Because in case of an higher volume, the IP of the bot and its impact on the bandwith of small server would be noticed and probably blocklisted after a long period.
(DIR) Post #AiZ0M7c7cNjU5003VI by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-03T21:54:00Z
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@tennoseremel Oh yes, totally true š
(DIR) Post #AiZ1GKQx8oWa3YZqQy by galaxy22@mastodon.social
2024-06-03T22:04:10Z
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@davidrevoy I understand your concerns on everyone joining Cara just because itās AI free but unaware that itās better to join an open source platform. However many of these artists are very pro-copyright and greatly fear reorchestration and redistribution of their work, thus seeing it as plagiarism(not just from AI but on human users too).
(DIR) Post #AiZ6pw49iUQog2iCqu by constancies@metalhead.club
2024-06-03T23:06:39Z
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@davidrevoy Huh, I never actually considered that. I guess when you put it that way, yeah it would be hard to just pull everything from a fediverse server.My next thought would be that a company could still open a normal mastodon instance and simply keep archives of whatever is federated over by its users. But while imperfect, this is still probably better than a single company hosting everything and being within power to sell it off to whatever AI company they want.
(DIR) Post #AiZ87gENQiFIjRWBBQ by antonmoglia@mastodon.design
2024-06-03T23:20:59Z
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@davidrevoy oh crap! pixelfed has no mobile app... and yet that's what made instagram so successful. š¤·š»āāļø
(DIR) Post #AiZA3dbDTKRzJuOvnU by zlago@mastodon.gamedev.place
2024-06-03T23:42:43Z
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@davidrevoy the div.grid {margin-right: -1rem;} css rule makes the post frustratingly slightly wider than my screen making scrolling (touchpad) a bit awkward could you fix that?
(DIR) Post #AiZAmZ9upO0Ma13T2O by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-03T23:50:51Z
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@zlago Thank you for the feedback! I haven't seen it. Very precious, I'll fix it tomorrow. š
(DIR) Post #AiZC2gJc5WO7MXq61w by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-04T00:04:54Z
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@y0nei Same... Maybe many big influencers and corporates prefer a closed and proprietary system because it is one where you can meet the team in charge and pull a few strings here and there in your favor.
(DIR) Post #AiZDgnceRKNzYwRCAS by linebyline@bytetower.social
2024-06-04T00:23:21Z
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@davidrevoy The biggest red flag for me was the "current unethical form" qualification in their"no AI" policy, which makes me wonder if what makes the next version ethical is how much they're getting paid to say it is, kinda like AdBlock Plus's "acceptable ads" policy.That, and the condescending centrist attitude, like "were not like all those dummies writing off all AI," which makes me think they don't really understand (or care about) the full range of criticisms of "AI art."
(DIR) Post #AiZGDPi2ZKD0rVdbea by yon@sakurajima.moe
2024-06-04T00:51:43Z
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@davidrevoy Good write up. I think the most important part isnāt actually about AI though. Itās about ownership (or actually copyright).I find it uncomfortable when sites want to own the (c) of what everyone posts. I find it unethical. Because ultimately that is why these AIs can be trained on this data after all.If the artistsā copyright was respected and no unethical EULAs existed, then the AI discussion would be very different.Ultimately itās probably difficult to say that people canāt run AI on their own art after all. Stuff like games already do (upscaling, interpolating frames, etc). I just think it should be up to each individual.That or we need to tax AI and introduce UBI.
(DIR) Post #AiZSWhWzjMSx5UR0ee by glauber@writing.exchange
2024-06-04T03:09:41Z
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@davidrevoy "NO AI": a new commercial hypeExactly.
(DIR) Post #AiZWI6dkUfHeQztElE by reillypascal@hachyderm.io
2024-06-04T03:51:51Z
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@davidrevoy I've definitely been suspicious about the future of Cara. While I appreciate that they are (for now) self-funded and don't seem to have any venture capital, I strongly agree with all the points here about what a social media platform should be, especially the one about being a non-profit.
(DIR) Post #AiZwBOJUz2si1psQ9A by glauber@writing.exchange
2024-06-04T03:14:27Z
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@davidrevoy come all to my restaurant. I promise no platypuses.
(DIR) Post #AiZwBPWIUwiHlos9jc by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-04T08:41:59Z
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@glauber š¤£
(DIR) Post #AiZwlQEnJ6WQQArCyG by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-04T08:48:29Z
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@HikaTamika You are right, I put that in the list as an advice to Cara dev/admins in case they were watching or reading, but then after I tell that my profile offer me "all of this" and this part (porting all the posts to the new account) isn't working. At least as far as I know: all accounts I saw who transferred their account to a new instance took their followers, re-followed the account they did; but started over with a account blank of post. I'll put a note/erratum, thank you.
(DIR) Post #AiZywPzckzh8kw8HNA by iamgerardthomas@mastodon.social
2024-06-04T05:42:23Z
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@lettosprey @davidrevoy Agree about .art. I ditched it for my primary masto account and moved to .social after they removed images I posted in a completely uninformed hissy fit, then tried to tell me what it was and was not when I asked about it. On the whole .art is a bit too militant for my liking.
(DIR) Post #AiZywRlWAPbEFlY2fA by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-04T09:12:48Z
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@iamgerardthomas @lettosprey Thank you for the feedback. I update the link to point to their About page were the policy is written clearly. I also added a [2] footnote about receiving comments telling me this choice was controversial and guided readers to the official list of instance.
(DIR) Post #Aia0AikduVmwwUVcLg by iamgerardthomas@mastodon.social
2024-06-04T09:26:39Z
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@davidrevoy @lettosprey Nice work. I wanted to like it there but it just feels like some sort of weird fiefdom...
(DIR) Post #AiaLd6CaPf60oqx6um by elainemwill@socel.net
2024-06-04T13:27:06Z
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@davidrevoy good overview and analysis! I feel like Cara is not the place for me, I'm just going to be disappointed when I can't make any headway there because I don't draw in the standard digital concept artist style, and also because it's only other artists there(I also have a feeling it's yet another one of those apps that only really "works" properly on iOS, and I am an Android user š)
(DIR) Post #AiaMoeynYD8Josa09I by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-04T13:40:25Z
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@elainemwill Oh yes I totally understand about the style. It's very "Artstation standards" in a way (and sometime unfortunately to a point that many popular artworks looks in fact like AI gen Art, because AI gen art took all from this norm).About the App; they don't have a iOs/Android app: they just have a tutorial on how to use the webbrowser on phone to create a shortcut icon to the website. This is nice, because you can use the browser of your choice (and then, anti tracking ext)
(DIR) Post #AiaQXXA3lXGmStw6z2 by l_inadapte@framapiaf.org
2024-06-04T14:22:04Z
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@davidrevoy No RSS feeds. It's a shameāÆš
(DIR) Post #Aic7sBifAhRZEUB184 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-05T10:02:18Z
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@Neotheta Yep, exactly. š
(DIR) Post #AicEF6bqw3YRloIoNs by BrunoBellamy@mast.eu.org
2024-06-05T11:12:57Z
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@davidrevoy I've created an account as well and, of course, I've read their FAQ about NSFW content (I've had quite a painful experience about this on Mastodon), and as usual, the problem is the same : they don't define what they mean by "NSFW". Is it explicit porn, depicting genitals, or does it mean that even the slightest appearance of an innocent nipple would qualify as NSFW? This ambiguity doesn't help me to trust them, so farā¦
(DIR) Post #AicbcAZmeSRZg8IkM4 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-05T15:35:34Z
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@BrunoBellamy Oh yes, I should update the article and add the 'no NSFW' in the negative points, because it affects many artists I know. True, they have hard time to define things. Their terms also ask to refer to their "Code of Conduct" but I wasn't able to find the document. It was vague and broad conduct terms plugged in their ToS maybe.
(DIR) Post #Aid2xrgcGH68E54Cci by BrunoBellamy@mast.eu.org
2024-06-05T20:42:03Z
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@davidrevoy Here's their (quite fast, I'm positively impressed) reply : "We currently define NSFW posts as those that contain nudity, sexual content, excessive gore, problematic iconography and violence. As stated in our FAQ we are a small team of volunteers and have very limited resources at this time to handle the legal and technical infrastructure to host NSFW content. " (1/2)
(DIR) Post #Aie3YUDAhKGDICiUk4 by kholo@mastodon.pix-n-chill.fr
2024-06-06T08:23:22Z
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@davidrevoy @the1goit About this, so far I did not see any way to buy Cara credits. It's just an amount of point you can use daily in order to limit everyone using Glaze because Cara has a limited use of a a Glaze API. It's a needed limitation, and it wasn't actually enough so the Glaze feature had to be temporarily disabled.
(DIR) Post #Aie52BFXrT5R7qYADY by kholo@mastodon.pix-n-chill.fr
2024-06-06T08:39:55Z
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@davidrevoy I did not resist the FOMO either, and I don't know how the project will remain sustainable and keep its promises in the future. So far I want it to succeed, and I want to be a part of it, if I can contribute in a way or another to avoid it to go the wrong way, I don't want to be pessimistic but I'll keep an eye as long as it has not achieved a first stable release, technically and regarding the conditions of use.Thank you for your article!
(DIR) Post #AieCayQUEKklAWCo0O by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-06T10:04:40Z
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@DearFox Outch! šµ I checked the html: this is horrible! No wonder it breaks accessibility.Thank you for the info. I'll plug this on the negative points.
(DIR) Post #AieESuM5gKDk8PQn68 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-06T10:25:36Z
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@ChaosKitsune @DearFox Yes, no wonder where their huge bandwidth budget goes: delivering billions of <!-- --> daily... So much wasted electricity. š¤
(DIR) Post #AiiDT1BcxcHU01riSW by Deus@charcha.cc
2024-06-08T08:17:37.005592Z
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@davidrevoy They seem to have replied to some of your concerns.We heard your concerns about the rumors, here are our answers:Does Cara make me sign away my copyright?No. Our Terms of Service grants us permission to host your images, resize, crop, & display them on Cara. Cara doesnāt own nor sell your work.Does Cara train an AI, or give Hive AI user data for training?The answers are: no and no.Cara does not train any AI models on its user data. Our terms with Hive ensures they do not train on our usersā data either. We use Hive to detect AI images and keep them off Cara. Thatās it.Was Cara founded by an AI supporter?No, our founder @zemotion has always advocated for artistsā copyright, does not support unethical GenAI practices, and is a lead plaintiff in 2 class action lawsuits against AI companies such as Google, Stability AI, and Midjourney.She has fought for artistsā rights in court to raise awareness that artists do not give up their copyright when sharing their work online, and she is committed to continue fighting for and advocating for artists rights to be respected both through her own work and with Cara.To our community who took the time to stand up for us from these claims, thank you. šhttps://cara.app/post/a11308b5-c435-4c47-9aab-ecf067fc527e
(DIR) Post #AiiDT2ZPoeu4I60EAy by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-08T08:33:07Z
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@Deus Hey, I'm glad they published answers to these questions, but don't put words in my mouth: none of these three points are concerns I had in the first place in my blog post.Also, I would prefer to get these claims baked by evidences and transparency rather than just believe what their PR service reply (eg. by publishing publicly their terms with Hive). About property/copyright: check the ToS, point 4. https://cara.app/terms (1/2)
(DIR) Post #AiiDUpHsAlpDfpeHk8 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-08T08:33:41Z
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@Deus "The Cara Site and all works of art (āArtā) and/or other user generated content (including without limitation commentary, images, third-party links, and similar content and/or works) (collectively the āArt And Other User Generated Contentā), text, data, and other materials contained in the Cara Site are copyrighted unless otherwise noted and are the property of Cara and/or the individual artist who created any individual piece of Art And Other User Generated Content (the āArtistā). " (2/3)
(DIR) Post #AiiDmLsGGiDNfB1gEi by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-08T08:36:50Z
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@Deus So they co-own your artworks's copyright when you post. Yes, you still own it, but so do they. And with that, they can sell it. That's why I said on my blog post they can sell the network and give the copyright they have to another party who buys the network later. This one can publish book with it, or make a video game, or if they change ToS train AI on it. It's their property.(3/3)
(DIR) Post #AiiESo65j5ALMFjtCq by camedei456@shitposter.world
2024-06-08T08:44:34.559597Z
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@davidrevoy Inviting other people over to Cara at this time is a poor choice.Cara's host is in deep debt due to paying for "serverless" computing.Never mind the perplexing note that "serverless" hosting still needs (gasp) servers, it's just supposed to scale so that hosts don't need to mess with Kubernetes.
(DIR) Post #AiiMwPaIECwveZUdzU by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-08T10:19:23Z
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@Deus Mmm.. That's mainly because the Fediverse is not an entity. It has no direction, no leader, no budget, no voice. It is a network that emanate from what the users do with it. If artist wanted to make something with it, it would be different. But it looks like most of them don't want to be pro active, they just want yet another company who pampers them and tell them "we are the good guy" but has same systemic issues as other platforms...
(DIR) Post #Ainy2UvZwW0U3c0xIu by anatoliyl@mastodon.social
2024-06-11T03:08:45Z
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@davidrevoy @DearFox Funk this html
(DIR) Post #Aio04eiaiFJUuS621g by anatoliyl@mastodon.social
2024-06-11T03:31:27Z
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@davidrevoy Funk cara.app
(DIR) Post #AioQAC28R5yH2NXg3s by Neotheta@toot.finfur.net
2024-06-11T08:23:10Z
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@davidrevoy Finally not in a forest & remembered to read this! Very good article, dropped some similar critizism on the vid Bobby Chiu had on youtube to hype (now it probably looks that I copycatted you hahah xD)I still joined it as I planned months ago already, for connecting with artists & being inspired, it's an artstation replacement to me, not gonna bet for it to last very long in nice condition tho.
(DIR) Post #Aiom4oLx4SMqzsTAfI by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-11T12:29:22Z
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@Neotheta Thanks! Yes, totally agree.
(DIR) Post #Aj8LwFSWIwtmKfTALQ by semiconductor42@mastodon.social
2024-06-20T23:10:37Z
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@davidrevoy @freezr did you find it?
(DIR) Post #Aj8PesXCgRrQ7wdJLM by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-20T23:52:18Z
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@semiconductor42 @freezr Hey, I didn't, and was really confused I couldn't find the paragraph anymore. So, I skip for later and forgot to have another look. Thank you for the reminder.I checked, and my fault: Nightshade looks like being effective. š¤ My source of confusion and origin of my critic about the paper was because mixing it for a previous engine made by the same team a year ago, Glaze: https://shawnshan.com/files/publication/glaze.pdf But Nightshade is a different beast. So, good, and mea culpa. š
(DIR) Post #AjamyRlhdU1rJAtMUS by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-07-04T16:25:36Z
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@aturff @constancies Yes, the Fediverse had a case recently of exactly that. But it was quickly spotted as a bad actor by other instances and block-listed in less than a couple of days from almost all the landscape afair.The main challenge of an instance like that would be to just look like a regular instance and have similar activities. Anything a bit different quickly become visible on the log of many servers.