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(DIR) Post #AiWTLAgA28H8R8XiiG by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-02T16:34:44Z
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Step 1: Form communist parties within your country and generate enough support to create dual powerStep 2: Overthrow the bourgeois state and establish a socialist worker's stateStep 3: Use this state to create working class uprising in other countries so they also become socialist worker's states Step 4: Once the entire world is governed by socialist worker's states, class distinctions and the need for a coercive apparatus will diminish, leading to a stateless, classless world.
(DIR) Post #AiWXYQJXc4kYVeXNIm by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-02T17:21:56Z
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@slick All theoretical attempts to create a socialist state aren't destined to result in a new ruling class. A socialist state governed by workers' councils with direct democratic decision-making could prevent the emergence of a new ruling class.
(DIR) Post #AiWXqp2ePoCYPgPUsy by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-02T17:25:16Z
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@sundiesel It isn't necessarily true that no human who makes use of a coercive apparatus in the way that I described will never see less of a need for it.
(DIR) Post #AiWol5j1AlCTdg524e by antipode77@mastodon.nl
2024-06-02T20:34:41Z
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@Radical_EgoCom Isn't that what the former USSR unsuccesfully tried to do for about 70 years.
(DIR) Post #AiWpd3cJE7y6jofv9s by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-02T20:44:28Z
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@antipode77 Yes, it is. Their failure to achieve that goal, however, is only proof of their failure to achieve it, not that a transitional state isn't necessary.
(DIR) Post #AiWszQj4HwcQduCEng by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-02T21:22:07Z
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@slick @antipode77 I've learned that immediately getting rid of the state won't lead to long-term success in achieving a stateless, classless society. My goals remain the same, though.Also, you don't have to keep sending screenshots of my old comments. I get it.
(DIR) Post #Aicufv1QK17Hj2jNaK by sashin@veganism.social
2024-06-05T19:09:16Z
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@Radical_EgoCom What's dual power?
(DIR) Post #AicvFkio5yUyCl6t3g by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-05T19:15:46Z
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@sashin Dual power refers to a situation where there are two competing systems of power within a society, one system being the existing capitalist state apparatus, and the other being a counterpower created by the working class in the form of workers' councils or soviets.
(DIR) Post #AicvWPvcepXYde3Cwy by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-05T19:18:43Z
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@sirenita I'm not a Marxist-Leninist, I'm a Luxemburgist/Council Communist. I'm still opposed to Marxism-Leninism.
(DIR) Post #AicvxzvkuVhO7FGSZ6 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-05T19:23:43Z
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@sirenita No, I'm no longer an Anarcho-Communist. My goal is still to create an anarchist communist society, but I'm no longer convinced that immediate abolition of the state is a practical means to achieve that end.
(DIR) Post #Aicx1MTtckdSsWOwL2 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-05T19:35:31Z
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@sirenita I used to be convinced that immediate state abolition was the best option, and I even defended it many times, but overtime as I kept on defending it, and as I was continually confronted with arguments and evidence to the contrary, I saw less and less evidence to support immediate abolition of the state, and more evidence that a transitional state is necessary.
(DIR) Post #Aid7DHNVQE044HjYHo by elmussol@streams.elsmussols.net
2024-06-05T21:26:15Z
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I'm gonna love the disentangling of the Luxemburgist/Council Communist dilemma. Are you now a vanguardist or not? Rosa was, the CCs are certainly not.
(DIR) Post #Aid7DIjWNrCkGr2eEy by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-05T21:29:38Z
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@elmussol I'm not a Vanguardist, and Rosa Luxemburg also was not. She criticized the concept of a vanguard party. Luxemburg believed in the spontaneous revolutionary activity of the masses rather than the leadership of a centralized vanguard party.
(DIR) Post #Aid8PrShBneRPPizLc by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-05T21:43:09Z
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@djuuss This step-by-step guide is oversimplified on purpose to give people a general idea of what has to be done to achieve communism. Of course, there will be many sub-steps in between steps 1 & 2, 2 & 3, and 3 & 4.
(DIR) Post #Aid9j1aTrnnyGk4G6C by elmussol@streams.elsmussols.net
2024-06-05T21:50:54Z
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No. She said that the Bolsheviks bent the stick too far (to use Lenin's aphorism) and stressed spontaneity but never left the idea of the party behind. Why was she setting up the KPD with Leibnecht a fortnight before her murder? Her (perfectly justified) criticisms of Bolshevism/Leninism were quantitative not qualitative.
(DIR) Post #Aid9j2ychWi8ZuN3Mu by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-05T21:57:52Z
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@elmussol Can you show me where exactly you got this information that Rosa Luxemburg supported a vanguard party? Everything I've read and researched of her has shown the exact opposite. Here's one example from her pamphlet "The Russian Revolution", which she wrote in 1918 while imprisoned in Germany: "Freedom only for the supporters of the government, only for the members of one party – however numerous they may be – is no freedom at all." - Rosa Luxemburg
(DIR) Post #AidNOSJSho8OQxC3ai by sashin@veganism.social
2024-06-06T00:31:04Z
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@Radical_EgoCom Forgive me if I asked this already, but, what is your definition of a state?
(DIR) Post #AidPaLIinkWu4OdvcW by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-06T00:55:38Z
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@sashin I define the state, particularly the transitional state I'm advocating for, as a temporary, transitional entity that arises during the period of revolutionary transformation from capitalism to socialism. Unlike traditional Marxist-Leninist interpretations, which advocate for a strong, centralized state controlled by a vanguard party, this transitional state would emphasize decentralization, democratic participation, and workers' self-management.
(DIR) Post #AidPmW5iVdjd0hMhfc by sashin@veganism.social
2024-06-06T00:57:49Z
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@Radical_EgoCom What is the entity for? What does it do? Who forms the entity? How does one become a part of this entity?
(DIR) Post #AidQbCJVnjguRLz5OK by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-06T01:06:59Z
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@sashin Please don't do rapid-fire questions like that. The entity is the transitional state, which is pretty obvious. The entity is for transitioning to communism, which I already stated. The entity is formed by the working class themselves, not a separate political elite like in Vanguardism. You become a member of this member by just being a part of the working class.
(DIR) Post #AidRQCfUF84eJAaHdg by sashin@veganism.social
2024-06-06T01:16:12Z
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@Radical_EgoCom Sorry wasn't thinking about how much work it would be for you to answer them
(DIR) Post #AifT7TEp06cyQBE8Bs by devin_ceartas@triangletoot.party
2024-06-07T00:44:38Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @sashin non Marxist leftists use the phrase/concept a lot too. Anarchists, I know for sure. I wonder if the right ever uses it? I’m in too much of a bubble to know.
(DIR) Post #Aih0lQ4Lh2bdp0wex6 by elmussol@streams.elsmussols.net
2024-06-07T18:21:10Z
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So I had a hunt round because I wasn't in the mood to write an essay. Lot's of Stalinist and Trotskyist hack jobs, but I stumbled on this, in Dutch (DeepL does a pretty reasonable job): Arbeidersstrijd, revolutie, partij: over Rosa Luxemburg.
(DIR) Post #Aih0lREfMAS9RImPfk by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-07T18:36:01Z
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@elmussol All of this article didn't translate to English, but of what I did read, not only does this article explicitly state that Luxemburg was against the authoritarian party structures of Leninism and Vanguardism, but this article is clearly for anarchists and why they should be critical of Luxemburgism since it does advocate for some form of authority, which doesn't apply to me or my position since I'm no longer an anarchist.
(DIR) Post #Aih5rZEh1WS3lDXBsO by elmussol@streams.elsmussols.net
2024-06-07T19:21:58Z
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Translate it in multiple bits? Well anarcho-communism is where I'm coming from. The point is, for all her legitimate criticisms of how Bolshevism and the Russian Revolution generally. was developing and having a better understanding of the spontaneity of revolutionary processes; until her dying day (literally (the KPD, her joint creation, was less than a fortnight old)) she believed in the party as the vehicle of change (leading the masses (with whatever degree of spontaneity)). That implementing the dictatorship of the proletariat was the mission of the party. Qualitative not quantitative.
(DIR) Post #Aih5rZb1gUJesTz1ge by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-07T19:33:25Z
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@elmussol 1/2 Rosa Luxemburg did belive in a dictatorship of the proletariat, but not in the Leninist interpretation of it, which was my main point, that she wasn't a Leninist. Leninist believe in a centralized one-party state controlled by a small elite. Luxemburg, on the other hand, argued for spontaneity and self-activity of the proletariat, and her perception of the proletarian dictatorship was one of mass participation, worker control, and the preservation of democratic freedoms.
(DIR) Post #Aih5sWXsVpr3hnxqTI by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-07T19:33:36Z
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@elmussol 2/2 There are similarities between her views of the party and proletarian dictatorship and Leninist's, but it would be inaccurate to say the two are exactly or basically the same.
(DIR) Post #Aih7rkzhVTfG8VjwXI by elmussol@streams.elsmussols.net
2024-06-07T19:41:24Z
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I never said she was a Leninist. I pointed out she wasn't. Read the founding documents of the KPD and what that said about the role of the party.
(DIR) Post #Aih7rliio5g2O8nti4 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-07T19:55:53Z
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@elmussol This was my mistake. This whole time, I was conflating Vanguardism with Leninism. The founding documents of the KPD did support Vanguardism, but not in the same way as Lenin's concept of the Vanguard party. The KPD advocated for the leadership of a revolutionary party in guiding the working class towards socialism, providing political education and organization to the working class. The KPD did necessitate a disciplined and centralized party to advance the revolution, but...
(DIR) Post #Aih7s8Xrwbf7B8u3UG by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-07T19:55:59Z
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@elmussol ...they in no way advocated for the same kind of strict party leadership and control by a small elite that Leninist Vanguardism promoted.
(DIR) Post #Aj4Grl3M8O5iT7tnF2 by jeremy_list@hachyderm.io
2024-06-18T23:55:06Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @antipode77 I remain unconvinced that a transitional state would be at all useful, let alone necessary.
(DIR) Post #Aj4Ig4nt4nbY9oDlya by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-19T00:15:26Z
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@jeremy_list @antipode77 1/3 Capitalism can not be overthrown overnight. Abolishing capitalism requires a transitional period where the working class takes political power. After a socialist revolution, capitalist interests both domestically and internationally will attempt to reverse the gains made by the working class. A transitional state, with its centralized authority and coercive apparatus (such as the state and military), is needed to defend against these counter-revolutionary threats.
(DIR) Post #Aj4IhxbAprxEOGAlu4 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-19T00:15:46Z
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@jeremy_list @antipode77 2/3 The transitional state is necessary for nationalizing key industries, redistributing land and wealth, implementing worker control of production, creating the development of new socialist institutions, and re-educating and mobilizing the masses.
(DIR) Post #Aj4IjDKXpYzzTGzaoS by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-19T00:16:00Z
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@jeremy_list @antipode77 3/3 There are historical examples that you can look up, such as the early Soviet Union under Lenin and the policies of the New Economic Policy (NEP), which shows that a transitional state was necessary for a successful transition from capitalism to socialism.
(DIR) Post #Aj4WxzrFbNxPOBEXUu by paulinporirua@mastodon.nz
2024-06-19T02:55:29Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @jeremy_list @antipode77 The fear of counter-revolution is where the transitional state (esp Russia) has gone wrong, I feel. It leads to tyranny. The transitional state uses its power to entrench itself, not the revolution.
(DIR) Post #Aj4XiiKoZQMGeVL2e0 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-19T03:03:59Z
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@paulinporirua @jeremy_list @antipode77 A fear of counter-revolution is a necessary and valid fear, especially for a new socialist state. I have no idea why you're arguing that fearing for a counter-revolution that would undo all of the work a socialist movement has done as some kind of unreasonable act. If you think it would have been better for them to not worry about the very real counter-revolutionary groups attacking them, then you're being very irrational.