Post AiVFPNDblEfHy9KyBs by epictittus@poa.st
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(DIR) Post #AiOlYk40MH1SHsk3do by Grumblesock@nicecrew.digital
2024-05-29T23:21:12.715507Z
6 likes, 5 repeats
Well I haven't seen any hedgie visitors the last 2 nights so here's one from elsewhere snuffling about. :pepe_hedgehog:
(DIR) Post #AiOnIgpumzcDYMcoOu by fal1026@nicecrew.digital
2024-05-29T23:40:24.923601Z
4 likes, 0 repeats
We got everything in Florida it seems, except these.
(DIR) Post #AiOnR1Hke0TpI7cKQa by Grumblesock@nicecrew.digital
2024-05-29T23:42:13.432797Z
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It seems that many of my American pals lament their lack of hedgehogs. They do make life sweeter for the most part. I feel the same about opossums and quokka etc so we all have some form of animal deprivation to suffer :weep3:
(DIR) Post #AiTWkujDg2AWss3oRc by MelGibsonafter4Beers@poa.st
2024-06-01T06:28:53.209114Z
15 likes, 8 repeats
@Grumblesock @fal1026 Hell Moose: "๐โฅ๐คโฅ๐โฅ๐คโฅ๐โฅ๐ฎโฅ ๐จโฅ๐โฅ๐โฅ๐กโฅ๐กโฅ ๐งโฅ๐โฅ๐ขโฅ๐โฅ๐ขโฅ๐โฅ๐โฅ๐งโฅ ๐ฎโฅ๐คโฅ๐ชโฅ๐งโฅ ๐ฃโฅ๐โฅ๐ขโฅ๐โฅ." Trash Wizard: They'll be alive, that is all that matters.
(DIR) Post #AiTXRErnC4A3VKFi6q by VaxxSabbath@poa.st
2024-06-01T06:36:32.388944Z
2 likes, 0 repeats
@MelGibsonafter4Beers @Grumblesock @fal1026 America, the poast
(DIR) Post #AiTYk1PzWDBPFcljhQ by MelGibsonafter4Beers@poa.st
2024-06-01T06:51:08.117875Z
5 likes, 0 repeats
@VaxxSabbath @Grumblesock @fal1026 > "It was a beautiful morning....."
(DIR) Post #AiTYuureE5NY6rtr1M by Quentel@nicecrew.digital
2024-06-01T06:52:57.981094Z
1 likes, 0 repeats
That's a crossbreed goblin... has no belonging.
(DIR) Post #AiTZHP5gWetiE5BkR6 by not_benis@cawfee.club
2024-06-01T06:57:08.723174Z
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@Grumblesock those teeth look pretty nasty
(DIR) Post #AiTaE7ua2aQw20zn7o by CarltonCash@poa.st
2024-06-01T07:04:26.410149Z
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@MelGibsonafter4Beers @VaxxSabbath @Grumblesock @fal1026 I say this as someone who's spent some time in his earlier adult years over there, but also who enjoys that meme.That same white looking Afghan probably has like an 11 year old bride, or fucks 6 year old boys on Thursday nights. There are redeeming qualities to a more primitive and simplistic way of living. Probably in no small part to the perspective of someone born in America and growing up in an overly jewified, overly fake and gay, overly complicated way of life. But Afghans are typically inbred degenerates and smell like unwashed armpit.
(DIR) Post #AiTaTuBOqqzw5OO27c by TrevorGoodchild@poa.st
2024-06-01T07:10:38.051431Z
10 likes, 1 repeats
@MelGibsonafter4Beers @Grumblesock @fal1026
(DIR) Post #AiTaYV0xr0zbTYhDvM by william_travis@nicecrew.digital
2024-06-01T07:04:39.712181Z
2 likes, 0 repeats
Americans have been in the genetic shitter a long time ago. We're just reaching peak dysgenics now.โInstead of founding an intellectual elite, America has established a mulatto stud farm.โ Knut Hamsun
(DIR) Post #AiTavcjVK75G4fYWnY by Homosoypiens@poa.st
2024-06-01T07:15:03.793251Z
9 likes, 4 repeats
@TrevorGoodchild @MelGibsonafter4Beers @Grumblesock @fal1026
(DIR) Post #AiTb72a5YqEXQUb0Pw by MelGibsonafter4Beers@poa.st
2024-06-01T07:17:42.357423Z
4 likes, 0 repeats
@TrevorGoodchild @Grumblesock @fal1026
(DIR) Post #AiTbFeVGS1fTMARh2G by MelGibsonafter4Beers@poa.st
2024-06-01T07:19:15.732165Z
10 likes, 1 repeats
@TrevorGoodchild @Grumblesock @fal1026 The Fae Folk are a mixed bag.
(DIR) Post #AiTbWrOllBSuH0c4Y4 by TrevorGoodchild@poa.st
2024-06-01T07:22:22.372342Z
8 likes, 0 repeats
@MelGibsonafter4Beers @Grumblesock @fal1026 Bet the nixieussy is worth it though
(DIR) Post #AiTbYJPF77JvQXWimW by samjayganges@poa.st
2024-06-01T07:22:17.854643Z
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@MelGibsonafter4Beers @TrevorGoodchild @Grumblesock @fal1026 I don't know where this "European magical creatures are friendly loveable cuddly critters" because most are just as disturbing as American cryptids.One I am thinking of is an unbaptized baby that dies and turns into a fetus monster and leaps of the back of passerby and shreds them to pieces.
(DIR) Post #AiTbk7OVbDfteEoTGS by MelGibsonafter4Beers@poa.st
2024-06-01T07:24:45.685560Z
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@samjayganges @TrevorGoodchild @Grumblesock @fal1026 I think that was the 1989 film "Akira."
(DIR) Post #AiTcI08X5cGyz6UsYS by MelGibsonafter4Beers@poa.st
2024-06-01T07:30:53.094890Z
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@TrevorGoodchild @Grumblesock @fal1026 > "I know who you are missa Wendigo, I watch you on the missin fo one one all the tyme. So, you can bring yo dark magics and supernatural abilities up in here, it ain't gonna make no difference."
(DIR) Post #AiTcPJ4H6N21j4zNJI by Eternal_Iratus@poa.st
2024-06-01T07:25:39.012279Z
1 likes, 0 repeats
@TrevorGoodchild @MelGibsonafter4Beers @Grumblesock @fal1026 Also Americans with Cryptids:
(DIR) Post #AiTdAZ1la9yopmLkBc by MelGibsonafter4Beers@poa.st
2024-06-01T07:40:45.155687Z
13 likes, 1 repeats
@TrevorGoodchild @Grumblesock @fal1026 Sometimes you have to grab life from behind by the antlers & seize an opportunity.
(DIR) Post #AiTdSQjf9NqwKUOvnU by TrevorGoodchild@poa.st
2024-06-01T07:43:58.991009Z
6 likes, 0 repeats
@MelGibsonafter4Beers Who dares wins
(DIR) Post #AiTdigqwzecOwzYz6O by MelGibsonafter4Beers@poa.st
2024-06-01T07:46:55.227383Z
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@TrevorGoodchild @Grumblesock @fal1026
(DIR) Post #AiTdmElvL9Jl16u4oK by pepsi_man@poa.st
2024-06-01T07:46:01.245722Z
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@TrevorGoodchild @MelGibsonafter4Beers Are we back on the Wendussy arc? Pls say yes.
(DIR) Post #AiTdpiYF4siWFEACTQ by BarelyEagle@poa.st
2024-06-01T07:48:11.635680Z
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@pepsi_man @TrevorGoodchild @MelGibsonafter4Beers Whether I live or die mounting the Wendussy, it will be a resounding success.@Willowee
(DIR) Post #AiTe2JCGekCDNEtB9V by Paleloon@poa.st
2024-06-01T07:49:32.465987Z
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@MelGibsonafter4Beers @TrevorGoodchild @Grumblesock @fal1026 i mean this sounds fucking amazing before you add in the wendussy with that its just fuckin perfection
(DIR) Post #AiTe61YYBYgLox5Doe by MelGibsonafter4Beers@poa.st
2024-06-01T07:51:08.357753Z
8 likes, 1 repeats
@TrevorGoodchild @Grumblesock @fal1026 Mythologically accurate Wendigos actually do not have antlers or deer-like features. The deer skull look was entirely a creation of the media / internet that accidentally became canonical.
(DIR) Post #AiTe6rcabmoJIXNBKa by BarelyEagle@poa.st
2024-06-01T07:51:17.494967Z
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@TrevorGoodchild @MelGibsonafter4Beers @Grumblesock @fal1026 When she's already wet, and you're gonna go swimming....>Get a load of me, get a load of youWalkin' down the street, and I hardly know youIt's just like we were meant to beHolding hands with you when we're out at nightGot a girlfriend, you say it isn't rightAnd I've got someone waiting tooWhat if this is just the beginningWe're already wet, and we're gonna go swimmingWhy can't I breathe whenever I think about youWhy can't I speak whenever I talk about youIt's inevitable, it's a fact that we're gonna get down to itSo tell meWhy can't I breathe whenever I think about youIsn't this the best part of breakin' upFinding someone else you can't get enough ofSomeone who wants to be with you tooIt's an itch we know we are gonna scratchGonna take a while for this egg to hatchBut wouldn't it be beautifulHere we go, we're at the beginningWe haven't fucked yet, but my heads spinningWhy can't I breathe whenever I think about youWhy can't I speak whenever I talk about youIt's inevitable, it's a fact that we're gonna get down to itSo tell meWhy can't I breathe whenever I think about youHigh enough for you to make me wonderWhere it's goin'High enough for you to pull me underSomethin's growin'out of this that we can controlBaby I am dyin'Why can't I breathe whenever I think about youWhy can't I speak whenever I talk about youWhy can't I breathe whenever I think about youWhy can't I speak whenever I talk about youIt's inevitable, it's a fact that we're gonna get down to itSo tell meWhy can't I breathe whenever I think about you
(DIR) Post #AiTe83CF3fhjUFcBXM by TrevorGoodchild@poa.st
2024-06-01T07:51:30.290327Z
10 likes, 1 repeats
@pepsi_man @MelGibsonafter4Beers Results may vary
(DIR) Post #AiTeENCpZn5xHauBsW by doonxib@poa.st
2024-06-01T07:52:38.751322Z
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@MelGibsonafter4Beers @TrevorGoodchild @Grumblesock @fal1026 Does "mythologically accurate" mean some Red Man high on peyote shitting himself in a smoke lodge said this one time?
(DIR) Post #AiTePf5FRoxPumk1FA by BarelyEagle@poa.st
2024-06-01T07:54:41.415198Z
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@doonxib @MelGibsonafter4Beers @TrevorGoodchild @Grumblesock @fal1026 It's when you want her so badly you could cut her up into pieces and eat her. Not that I would know anything about that.
(DIR) Post #AiTeRHjREwWY4OJWls by TrevorGoodchild@poa.st
2024-06-01T07:54:58.827127Z
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@MelGibsonafter4Beers @Grumblesock @fal1026 There was a 2001 low budget horror movie ('Wendigo') that started the 'deer head/antler' trend iirc and it just snowballed from there
(DIR) Post #AiTedMVVJNQ8M4YTXU by MelGibsonafter4Beers@poa.st
2024-06-01T07:57:09.663691Z
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@TrevorGoodchild @Grumblesock @fal1026 Before anyone asks the series are "Girl From the Other Side," and "Ancient Magnus Bride," and they are both hauntingly good.
(DIR) Post #AiTejdVH25NCo0RHge by gav@cawfee.club
2024-06-01T07:58:09.089296Z
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@MelGibsonafter4Beers @Grumblesock @fal1026 @TrevorGoodchild it varies i think, the straightforward branched horn is rare choice and ambigous big thing or deformed cannibal would be more normalit however has implications as the horned god is a shepard of the woods and something like the ghillie man, so for it to be so monstrous and yet to be perceived in that european form is a self judgement
(DIR) Post #AiTf5si3B3yGKy1SYS by Paleloon@poa.st
2024-06-01T07:56:19.428578Z
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@TrevorGoodchild @MelGibsonafter4Beers @Grumblesock @fal1026 i thought it came from the feather indian headdress thing since they were supposedly their demons
(DIR) Post #AiTf5u1wGbTSQwKrC4 by MelGibsonafter4Beers@poa.st
2024-06-01T08:02:18.555699Z
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@Paleloon @TrevorGoodchild @Grumblesock @fal1026 The descriptions differ between tribes but the common theme is revulsion toward cannibalism / greed. Although cultures across the world have similar legends. The "Fear Gorta," is basically the Celtic mythos version of the Wendigo.
(DIR) Post #AiTf8L4egoMut5letM by TrevorGoodchild@poa.st
2024-06-01T08:02:45.720976Z
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@Paleloon The only consistent description I've seen in Amerindian legends is that they're gaunt/emaciated, sometimes larger than humans, and they stink like death and decay. Nothing about antlers or a deer skull.
(DIR) Post #AiTfOUKY2grGEFtz8a by Shadowbroker2135@poa.st
2024-06-01T08:05:40.933174Z
2 likes, 1 repeats
@MelGibsonafter4Beers @TrevorGoodchild @Grumblesock @fal1026
(DIR) Post #AiTfeqC6WMbYfhkYkq by MelGibsonafter4Beers@poa.st
2024-06-01T08:08:38.126077Z
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@Shadowbroker2135 @TrevorGoodchild @Grumblesock @fal1026 That's just Lawrence, he wants to make friends but everyone always runs away screaming ๐
(DIR) Post #AiTfttcG54tjd0A7YO by DemonSixOne@poa.st
2024-06-01T08:11:21.575868Z
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@TrevorGoodchild @Paleloon Common thing really. Down in the south you might know them as chupacabra or jackalopes.
(DIR) Post #AiTgqKf1ggpqIkJzMm by MCMLXVIIOTG@nicecrew.digital
2024-06-01T08:17:33.826605Z
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Wendigos and Bigfoot have never been seen in the same room together. Coincidence?
(DIR) Post #AiThm2qm44DXrJKtQe by MelGibsonafter4Beers@poa.st
2024-06-01T08:32:20.558836Z
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@Shadowbroker2135 @TrevorGoodchild @Grumblesock @fal1026 Prejudice always prevails when we (out of ignorance) fail to accept Goat head man and other supernatural creatures like him ๐
(DIR) Post #AiTj3AyBEJCVuyX560 by doonxib@poa.st
2024-06-01T08:46:38.832021Z
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@Grumblesock youtube.com/watch?v=PS7BDxbCehw
(DIR) Post #AiTvz3MGsyqgYcAJxQ by lks@poa.st
2024-06-01T11:11:34.268597Z
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@TrevorGoodchild @Paleloon Don't forget the murderous cannibal dwarves.IIRC wendigos are in the great lakes area. The cannibal dwarves are a Cheyenne (I think) legend
(DIR) Post #AiU01WbRWd2pebhD4S by LatigoMorgan@poa.st
2024-06-01T11:56:50.297616Z
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@TrevorGoodchild @Paleloon "Supernatural" did a Wendigo episode in their 1st or 2nd season that was pretty accurate to the lore.
(DIR) Post #AiU4nJyECAz2BwOrB2 by HonkHonkBoom@poa.st
2024-06-01T08:13:10.040957Z
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@MelGibsonafter4Beers @TrevorGoodchild @Grumblesock @fal1026 Magus started getting weird, like hey were trying to work some trans crap into it in the second season... i kinda quit watching. guess that didnt happen? or just the anime and not the magna? Need to go rewatch some and get caught up...
(DIR) Post #AiU68u8L2M7mNuz6NU by Thusnelda@poa.st
2024-06-01T13:05:24.094383Z
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@fal1026 @Grumblesock Nope, none in FL. If there were, they'd be picked off by the raccoons, hawks, owls or bears.
(DIR) Post #AiUXI9fNLx1zva4aJM by samjayganges@poa.st
2024-06-01T07:30:51.418517Z
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@MelGibsonafter4Beers @TrevorGoodchild @Grumblesock @fal1026 It's a Myling, from ScandinaviaIt attacks lone wanders at night by jumping on their back and demanding to be taken to a graveyard. However it gets heavier the closer it gets to the graveyard and will kill the person if they don't get there fast enough.
(DIR) Post #AiUXIlKnIv9AkkjgVU by HonkHonkBoom@poa.st
2024-06-01T07:29:41.338162Z
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@samjayganges @MelGibsonafter4Beers @TrevorGoodchild @Grumblesock @fal1026 That really sounds less like a traditional European cryptid, and more like lies of the church when they were invading and destroying Europe's heritage and history to fit their own agenda.
(DIR) Post #AiUXYSEO67A68eDo6i by HonkHonkBoom@poa.st
2024-06-01T08:29:12.983785Z
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@MelGibsonafter4Beers @TrevorGoodchild @Grumblesock @fal1026 The most terrifying cryptid of them all..... Sneaks it's way into your home by the dark power of the corporate demon's advertising word majik, and then it sucks away your vitality, making you fat and giving you diabetes!
(DIR) Post #AiVCytrk4T2tUoMHQ0 by Escoffier@poa.st
2024-06-02T01:56:44.397622Z
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@TrevorGoodchild @pepsi_man @MelGibsonafter4Beers Not my Wendigo sir! I have a vagina
(DIR) Post #AiVDNfjhk3HSugPY8m by MelGibsonafter4Beers@poa.st
2024-06-02T02:01:12.770428Z
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@Escoffier @TrevorGoodchild @pepsi_man Technically a Wendigo could have a "Wendussy," if it wanted to. Isn't shape shifting wonderful? :watamelon:
(DIR) Post #AiVDZii6Ver3c2PJr6 by MelGibsonafter4Beers@poa.st
2024-06-02T02:03:23.552328Z
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@Escoffier @TrevorGoodchild @pepsi_man > How I view cryptids now vs. how I viewed cryptids as a child.
(DIR) Post #AiVF1k8etPEE6YkpaC by suquili@poa.st
2024-06-02T02:11:52.162814Z
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@MelGibsonafter4Beers @Escoffier @TrevorGoodchild @pepsi_man
(DIR) Post #AiVFJG4HQv0a3T3fX6 by MelGibsonafter4Beers@poa.st
2024-06-02T02:22:49.586550Z
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@suquili @Escoffier @TrevorGoodchild @pepsi_man Mythologically speaking, Adam's first wife Lilith "Mother of Demons," was the first "Monster Girl."
(DIR) Post #AiVFJrKWtSzVcZwfUu by pepsi_man@poa.st
2024-06-02T02:18:18.690502Z
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@suquili @MelGibsonafter4Beers @Escoffier @TrevorGoodchild The Bad to the Bone riff at the end :kekw: The price is wrong bitch, this is my swamp.
(DIR) Post #AiVFPNDblEfHy9KyBs by epictittus@poa.st
2024-06-02T02:23:56.110269Z
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@MCMLXVIIOTG @Paleloon @TrevorGoodchild you funny nigger
(DIR) Post #AiVGBRNDcF14kukitk by MelGibsonafter4Beers@poa.st
2024-06-02T02:32:37.189804Z
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@pepsi_man @suquili @Escoffier @TrevorGoodchild
(DIR) Post #AiVGuThzmSar1rwjuS by JedDrudge@nicecrew.digital
2024-06-02T02:40:45.714532Z
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Hornt being hornt...
(DIR) Post #AiVH0QF1aJfm0sEJU0 by koropokkur@nicecrew.digital
2024-06-02T02:41:50.140351Z
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4'9"!
(DIR) Post #AiVHvusGMgj5WdzyS0 by pepsi_man@poa.st
2024-06-02T02:37:03.906684Z
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@MelGibsonafter4Beers @suquili @Escoffier @TrevorGoodchild >Bible>literal word of god>has monster girlsSo you're telling me anime has been real this whole time?
(DIR) Post #AiVHvvaDjFt7iyZ4y0 by MelGibsonafter4Beers@poa.st
2024-06-02T02:52:13.351460Z
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@pepsi_man @Escoffier @TrevorGoodchild @suquili Lilith technically isn't in the "official" Bible and is only mentioned in passing, but biblical scholars still discuss her rather frequently. The myth is that God created Lilith and Adam out of different clay but Lilith was cast out Eden. God then created Eve out of one of Adam's ribs to ensure that she wouldn't be as rebellious.
(DIR) Post #AiVOgfQeCwOexRl1TU by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
2024-06-02T04:07:53.971228Z
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@MelGibsonafter4Beers @suquili @Escoffier @TrevorGoodchild @pepsi_man the name that launched ten thousand transitions
(DIR) Post #AiVQgm7DXy5ZbWqf1U by MelGibsonafter4Beers@poa.st
2024-06-02T04:30:19.989820Z
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@TrevorGoodchild @pepsi_man
(DIR) Post #AiVSFggNq04CqPVZxI by Chzikken_1486@poa.st
2024-06-02T03:29:45.730645Z
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@MelGibsonafter4Beers @TrevorGoodchild @Grumblesock @fal1026 Lol
(DIR) Post #AiVSWjgxtzaD6IuT6u by MelGibsonafter4Beers@poa.st
2024-06-02T04:50:55.335807Z
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@Chzikken_1486 @TrevorGoodchild @Grumblesock @fal1026 There is definitely something strange going on in America's National Parks, but many "missing 411," cases are just the result of shit that happens regularly out in the wilderness.
(DIR) Post #AiVSsKbxpeC1gXrsiO by MelGibsonafter4Beers@poa.st
2024-06-02T04:54:49.805024Z
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@Chzikken_1486 @TrevorGoodchild @Grumblesock @fal1026 "Baumann's tale," is a section from the journal of Teddy Roosevelt that details a German mountain man's encounter with a "Goblin," although many speculate that the events were actually something that happened to Teddy Roosevelt.
(DIR) Post #AiVTI7ekcZWJ2ETBYW by MelGibsonafter4Beers@poa.st
2024-06-02T04:59:29.480353Z
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@Chzikken_1486 @TrevorGoodchild @Grumblesock @fal1026 Fighting a Wendigo sounds like something Teddy Roosevelt would have most definitely done.
(DIR) Post #AiVXda0gnTTus3Db7o by Gundog@poa.st
2024-06-02T05:46:06.652994Z
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@MelGibsonafter4Beers @TrevorGoodchild @pepsi_man
(DIR) Post #AiVZD2xnF0oGl1L75c by Charles_in_Charge@poa.st
2024-06-02T06:05:48.416279Z
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@TrevorGoodchild @Paleloon It tends to be they're men who go crazy after eating human flesh, then become like junkies wanting more. The bigfoot, thunderbird, and red headed giant stories are more interesting to me.
(DIR) Post #AiVx9H3DJv0YBrboOW by Escoffier@poa.st
2024-06-02T10:34:02.793033Z
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@pepsi_man @MelGibsonafter4Beers @TrevorGoodchild @suquili And giants and witches.
(DIR) Post #AiYAqmGtp5LVFSMzRI by CarltonCash@poa.st
2024-06-03T12:15:34.919172Z
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@MelGibsonafter4Beers @pepsi_man @Escoffier @TrevorGoodchild @suquili >Lilith wouldn't be completely subservient>gets Eve who instead gets them both evicted
(DIR) Post #AiYgKdwGSwQgffRHVY by Diogenese_Shiplap@poa.st
2024-06-03T18:09:29.829776Z
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@MelGibsonafter4Beers @pepsi_man @Escoffier @TrevorGoodchild @suquili She left Eden voluntarily, meaning she has no Original Sin. Interesting...