Post AiSeQXoe5ZwAwEXdHk by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
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(DIR) Post #AiQBUuEBPz3GcRIIO8 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-30T15:46:25Z
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Here is my new GNU/Linux distribution guide about Debian KDE 12, the right GNU/Linux distribution for professional digital painting in 2024! Also about three major problems with GNU/Linux distros that will drive away all professional artists, IMO, and how I got kicked out of the Fedora KDE ecosystem with F40, which imposed Plasma6 and Wayland. I hope it helps other artists here!Blog post: https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1030/debian-12-kde-plasma-2024-install-guide#linux #x11 #wayland #debian #fedora #krita #plasma #kde
(DIR) Post #AiQBlfFANkC54MkFfc by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-30T15:49:29Z
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@sybren 😺 :blobcatheart:
(DIR) Post #AiQBygky4I8ZWgpXmK by nikatjef@mastodon.acm.org
2024-05-30T15:51:42Z
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@davidrevoy Can you please explain how you were "kicked out of the Fedora KDE ecosystem with F40"Please note I am not trying to start an argument, just trying to understand your point.Also note that I am not a Fedora user, but I am a very long time KDE user.
(DIR) Post #AiQC7lDQrIpvxiTDAe by triskelion@floss.social
2024-05-30T15:53:27Z
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@davidrevoy https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/python-is-python3Checked out this package? :P
(DIR) Post #AiQC8p2k75VC7fybfk by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-30T15:53:35Z
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@nikatjef Hey, no problem. Check the discussion linked on the "2. The challenges and the issues" and you'll have all the background.
(DIR) Post #AiQCG0oejzEuf8oedU by hl0dwig@g33ks.coffee
2024-05-30T15:54:57Z
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@davidrevoy we need more of that kind of high quality blog post :blob_cat_heart:
(DIR) Post #AiQCHoUfWfnf1aKH20 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-30T15:55:19Z
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@triskelion lol, very cool! But also totally hard (impossible?) to discover for a newcomer. I'll update it on the article, thank you!
(DIR) Post #AiQCRnhVKSrlSe5lTc by nikatjef@mastodon.acm.org
2024-05-30T15:57:07Z
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@davidrevoy
(DIR) Post #AiQCUXAlEjgZ4K512e by carlschwan@floss.social
2024-05-30T15:57:36Z
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@davidrevoy Just a small clarification but the old Wacom tablet config module is still maintained and released as part of Plasma 6. It's X11 only but this is also something upstream Plasma still support. https://invent.kde.org/plasma/wacomtablet/And yeah I am also not a fan that Fedora dropping X11, there was no need for that yet. Changing the default to Wayland and keeping X11 available for people like you, would have been enough.
(DIR) Post #AiQCqQITTrA47D7pxo by nikatjef@mastodon.acm.org
2024-05-30T16:01:32Z
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@davidrevoy Ahh, somehow I missed the link to your blog post... Thank you for the post, sadly I can't help with any of the points you raise as I have very little experience with anything you mention. :(
(DIR) Post #AiQCroI5l1xGovbkJ6 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-30T16:01:46Z
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@carlschwan Thank you very much for the feedback and clarifications. Very good to know it's possible to get a Plasma6 X11 setup with the previous tablet config module. That should include maybe a Neon KDE Stable among my list of possible good distro for painting.
(DIR) Post #AiQD1eVeyjG9NeeC92 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-30T16:03:35Z
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@nikatjef Thank you very much for reading. True, difficult problems and very challenging.
(DIR) Post #AiQD5e14kq9V0cFGu8 by halla@fosstodon.org
2024-05-30T16:04:18Z
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@davidrevoy I really wish we could make building Krita easier... For the Qt6 port, I'm actually using only distribution packages to see how far I can get. But working with the upstread Qt project can be really hard, and we need sooooo many patches to make Qt work well on all four platforms we support!
(DIR) Post #AiQD7bTHBjbdh7N09w by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-30T16:04:24Z
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@Reiddragon 😺 Totally, that the magical ingredient here. 🥰
(DIR) Post #AiQD95mbyVjlzj7k4O by dreeg@mastodon.social
2024-05-30T16:04:57Z
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@davidrevoy @BrodieOnLinux this might interest you
(DIR) Post #AiQDaqF7LYX7uDgnIW by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-30T16:09:57Z
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@halla :blobcatheart: Hey, take the time you need for the Qt6 port, I now have a home to run Krita as it is until 2028. I remember the old ports in the past (Qt3 to Qt4, etc) and how they are massive work. Take care!
(DIR) Post #AiQDodqEFfFFUud0LY by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-30T16:12:21Z
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@gekitsu Oh 😵 I had no idea about Xsane! Thank you.
(DIR) Post #AiQEIuD7xIFQxBlmUa by oblomov@sociale.network
2024-05-30T16:17:54Z
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@davidrevoy (extra space in the markdown link to “my previous installation guide” in the color calibration section. The audacious and videotrimmer links in the software section is broken too)
(DIR) Post #AiQESqNj2wk3yRSwXA by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-30T16:19:42Z
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@oblomov Thank you for the proofreading feedback 💜 (and sorry for them, I spent two weeks on this article 🙃 I'm now blind to the big mistakes) I'll update the article now.
(DIR) Post #AiQEYd9H9xUkfaSyLw by oblomov@sociale.network
2024-05-30T16:20:44Z
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@davidrevoy no, thank you for spending the time writing all these things down, it's extremely precious information.
(DIR) Post #AiQG0UbEdd3CDZOSsi by ivor@social.ivor.org
2024-05-30T16:37:00Z
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@davidrevoy excellent overview 👍Have you ever tried or considered opensuse? (Not trying to convince you to use it, just curious if you'd ever tried that) I've used opensuse since way back at nversion '6', and always found it to be a superb platform for kde.
(DIR) Post #AiQH19QwuyDoohSbiq by SpaceAce@esoteric.party
2024-05-30T16:48:11Z
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@davidrevoy boosting not as an artist ahaha but as a linux nerd it's good to know what distros are doing
(DIR) Post #AiQHNnvJ3ijklQSfxo by furicle@mastodon.social
2024-05-30T16:52:21Z
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@davidrevoy was expecting ranty, instead got detailed, well reasoned, opinionated setup info. Wonderful post.Unfortunately I can't draw a stick figure, so.... :-)
(DIR) Post #AiQHYdPeTehtLqosvA by halla@fosstodon.org
2024-05-30T16:54:22Z
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@davidrevoy Yeah, and this time... Apparently there was nobody left who remembers the days when Qt was supposed to make C++ as accessible to non-computer scientists as Java, and it's gotten seriously c-plus-plussified.
(DIR) Post #AiQHrxJ0jxE2YAvUtU by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-30T16:57:52Z
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@ivor Hey, yes, I was an OpenSuse user at one point (but maybe long ago), I always loved the extra admin tools they offer in the Settings to help the user to do advanced administration task with a GUI. I went to their website when I tested the guide for this distro, but I had difficulties to understand how Leap was 'frozen' and how long they would go Plasma5, or if they already ship Plasma 6, etc. This confusion in the communication of their website made me not testing it this time.
(DIR) Post #AiQI2qJj3zs23rS6Do by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-30T16:59:50Z
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@furicle Thank you 💜
(DIR) Post #AiQIQMAwmTANWqYfxY by adiz@soc0.outrnat.nl
2024-05-30T17:04:08.308Z
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@davidrevoy@framapiaf.org Plasma 6 is available on Tumbleweed. @ivor@social.ivor.org
(DIR) Post #AiQJRnrpPRO3elrxKq by christine@ruby.social
2024-05-30T17:15:31Z
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@davidrevoy I'm just here to say Cat! 🧡
(DIR) Post #AiQKcJqXSxnfgjqPWi by me@pleroma.boingo00.wtf
2024-05-30T17:28:43.542305Z
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@davidrevoy isnt debian packages are too old?
(DIR) Post #AiQKdygr5yFseX6dEW by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-30T17:28:56Z
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@Felipe_B 💯 I agree!
(DIR) Post #AiQKtJQmGRShK3tihk by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-30T17:31:43Z
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@me Yes, it used to be that way. But nowadays, with a layer of flatpak and appimage for the application, the old packages are an advantage: they guarantee the stability of all the packages I don't want to update (the operating system, the things that setup my devices).
(DIR) Post #AiQL5HFQCtGI1iI81I by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-30T17:33:48Z
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@xarvos Thank you, fixed! 👍
(DIR) Post #AiQL8VG2ZgaqLY7Rke by me@pleroma.boingo00.wtf
2024-05-30T17:34:25.166723Z
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@davidrevoy but this is also means that you will stuck with old DE and some of the bugfixes or security patches will be available much later
(DIR) Post #AiQMYTWxiangTPyyKe by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-30T17:50:20Z
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@me True for D.E. But not for bugfixes, the versions continues to be patched to run optimally, and security updates (for kernel/firefox and other) are as fast as everywhere else from what I saw.
(DIR) Post #AiQMhb1fDk4WKFgy80 by me@pleroma.boingo00.wtf
2024-05-30T17:52:05.415458Z
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@davidrevoy i give it a shot
(DIR) Post #AiQORhOPyqU5Lbsm48 by jdoe@freeradical.zone
2024-05-30T18:11:32Z
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@davidrevoy This guide is awesome! And not only for digital artists. Many tips are valuable for ordinary mortals too.
(DIR) Post #AiQOZjm30lHx36lg2K by ivor@social.ivor.org
2024-05-30T18:12:58Z
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@davidrevoy yeah agreed, their stable releases appeared confusing to me, and they're doing it again with the new 'slowroll' changes. ☹️ So as a developer I just go with Tumbleweed which I find ok as long as I decide how and when I update otherwise it can be a bit chaotic.
(DIR) Post #AiQR4DmwBP52jUqdBQ by jljouannic@piaille.fr
2024-05-30T18:40:54Z
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@davidrevoy You may want to give a try to xournal++ (https://xournalpp.github.io/). Better UI, nice feautures and less bugs than in xournal.
(DIR) Post #AiQRDUdauIGHb1tmwy by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-30T18:42:34Z
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@jljouannic 😍 😍 😍 Oh, good to see a fork with more polishing and features. Thank you for the link!
(DIR) Post #AiQTJkqxjLZZXAGV16 by MurrayWindripper@fosstodon.org
2024-05-30T19:06:08Z
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@davidrevoyI'm gobsmacked that CG art is considered niche in some quarters. If that were true, the big beasts such as Krita, Gimp, Inkscape, Blender, etc, would have stopped developing years ago.#linux #art
(DIR) Post #AiQTevvzj4l9yziYeO by Neotheta@toot.finfur.net
2024-05-30T19:09:50Z
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@davidrevoy Also thank you so much for writing this, now I have something to link to people when they ask about this stuff. I had forgotten all the details at this point.
(DIR) Post #AiQVGmLXvDBjClHMrg by spacewizard@mas.to
2024-05-30T19:27:57Z
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@davidrevoy cool, will be reading this post after work, I'll see if you sell me on it :)
(DIR) Post #AiQXxoI4lllZavIpEG by OldFartPhil@mastodon.social
2024-05-30T19:58:10Z
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@davidrevoy Interesting read. I'm not a digital artist, but my photo editing rig is on #Debian +X11 for many of the reasons you mentioned.One of the reasons I've stayed on Debian for the last 15 years is that, due to its slow pace and overall conservatism, all of the "next big things" in Linux tend to be more feature complete and less buggy by the time they hit Debian stable.
(DIR) Post #AiQY4mehFOY0YBCzSq by jdkiser@social.sdf.org
2024-05-30T19:59:28Z
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@davidrevoy This is a great blog post. Debian stable is a nice base platform for years. Backports and flatpaks keep the user facing apps up to date. Enjoy your setup.
(DIR) Post #AiQZVtFCxS18l4m9IW by nielso@digitalcourage.social
2024-05-30T20:15:28Z
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@davidrevoy „We were told that our use was niche, our needs were diminished.“I wasn't told that but it is how I feel about serious audio/video production on Linux.Reaching to the point where some folks advise you to use ffmpeg for video editing.Also the reason why I'm sort of stuck with Kubuntu 18.04 + kxStudio.Me say: „I need X in order to do my work”The say: „You cannot want to use X, use $nonsenseReplacement instead”– heard that countless times.I'd heavily need an update, but so many things might not work any more.I really fear the breaking of my fragile construction for using audio plugins that are Windows binaries („you cannot want this”)… video editing software relying on interfaces to hardware working well in X11 (Wayland? No idea) and then there's Pipewire as new audio system with many great ideas, but does it replace Jack successfully for my hardware (expensive gear!)?I feel like nobody can tell. It's probably easier to use the same software on OSX, after 20 years of Linux only.
(DIR) Post #AiQZv9PI0EZU7pXJQW by miskatonicstudio@mastodon.social
2024-05-30T20:20:04Z
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@davidrevoy Tell your cat I said pspsps 🐈♥️
(DIR) Post #AiQaeSE4sdf5WUtWRE by lina@mastodon.ml
2024-05-30T20:28:15Z
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@davidrevoy OMG!... :blobcatfearful:
(DIR) Post #AiQbWs4V0GltJqMVw8 by anatoliyl@mastodon.social
2024-05-30T20:38:10Z
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@davidrevoy OK, let's do it(I mean - adding Wayland support to Krita)
(DIR) Post #AiQbia8rUVdbBbzFWy by TerryHancock@realsocial.life
2024-05-30T20:40:12Z
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@davidrevoy I just installed AV Linux this month. So far, I like it a lot. I was using Ubuntu Studio, but got fed up with the snap packages.AV is built on MX which is built on Debian. The desktop environment is XFCE4, so it looks a lot like Ubuntu Studio.Also, it's an init.d system by default, although there is an alternate systemd boot provided.Haven't tried my colorimeter yet.
(DIR) Post #AiQbxSW87c5Pslxqnw by lou@entropyservice.com
2024-05-30T20:42:41Z
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@davidrevoy Thank you for this most excellent post. The deprecation or disappearance of CLI interfaces is a thumb in the nose to all experienced users, who can now only use a program in the way the creator thought to use it, and sometimes only with a file structure that the creator had in mind. I do not use my system the way you do, but thanks for pointers to three programs I did not know about but will be very useful to me.
(DIR) Post #AiQfHtd5KRajcied5k by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-30T21:20:12Z
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@TerryHancock Thank you for the feedback. First time I hear about AV Linux, but for this article I tested MX Linux KDE (and it was super high on my list). https://www.bandshed.net/2024/01/14/av-linux-23-1-enlightened-released/ , very cool. 👍
(DIR) Post #AiQgDpIjZxcGzml648 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-30T21:30:43Z
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@miskatonicstudio He sleeps next to me, I took my camera to capture his reaction to the "pspsps" → he merely opened the eyes and fell asleep immediately after 😆
(DIR) Post #AiQgTEKWnvUmxtwVwu by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-30T21:33:31Z
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@nielso 😩 Oh yes, I understand your feedback really well. Courage!
(DIR) Post #AiQhfplNYS4GUV4lPc by miskatonicstudio@mastodon.social
2024-05-30T21:44:21Z
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(DIR) Post #AiQrU44NXLt6vbzPUG by jrredho@mastodon.world
2024-05-30T23:36:52Z
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@davidrevoy I remember an awful lot of posts happening around the time the decision was made to default to the Wayland protocol for the f40 KDE spin. I sure came away from those discussions understanding that, while Wayland would be the default, it would remain possible to install X11 and continue along as before with it, too. I was pretty sure that they hadn't banned it, just discontinued making it the default.Are you saying that that's not true?
(DIR) Post #AiQsUmpHEXaFgxplNQ by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-30T23:48:16Z
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@jrredho "the transition to KDE Plasma 6 will also include dropping support for the X11 session entirely, leaving only Plasma Wayland as the sole offered desktop mode. " sources: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/latest/release-notes/desktop/ (but it's released, so you can also read many reviews and videos about F40 KDE and test it in a VM).
(DIR) Post #AiQv3mALsaIZgkVHDk by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2024-05-31T00:16:30.855222Z
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@davidrevoy Just mere curiosity: Does KDE Plasma 6 on X11 (so not Fedora) also have a regressed tablet configuration?As it seems kind of weird that KDE would ship a new release with such a significant regression.
(DIR) Post #AiQvgSgAGUayXppXjU by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-31T00:23:58Z
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@lanodan Hey, that's something I learned this evening thanks to the comments of the KDE dev Carl Schwan: for the distro who still have X11, it's possible to get Plasma 6, X11 and the old tablet plugin running on the top.I even saw screenshots about it on the Pepper&Carrot Matrix channel. That's a good news because it widen the amount of distro usable in production, the one who already ship Plasma6 and keep X11.
(DIR) Post #AiQvpJnwd61bcwh0a0 by ulfi@troet.cafe
2024-05-31T00:25:35Z
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@davidrevoyHave a look as well at #openSUSE, there is #Tumbleweed as most actual but still stable (so factory and automatic testing was passed), #Slowroll which was a delayed and hardened Tumbleweed and #openSUSELeap which is more a LTS like system. All supports KDE/plasma and still X11 pretty well. @carlschwan
(DIR) Post #AiQzeMjrmOSlMIomB6 by lw64@floss.social
2024-05-31T01:08:20Z
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@davidrevoy My graphics tablet wasn't configurable out of the box on #Wayland as well, but it was relatively easy to create a config file that made it appear in #GNOME settings. Though I am not sure if there are all the configurations you would need (my tablet is pretty simple though).Also I wonder why #Krita doesn't have an official #Flatpak package. I can't see anything that would be different from an AppImage...
(DIR) Post #AiRY6AaXwceeE0t89g by rriemann@chaos.social
2024-05-31T07:34:18Z
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@davidrevoy If #Krita had enough sponsors, I am sure they could pay someone to speed up the feature-complete port to plasma6/#wayland.Don't you think you could use your reach to organise a special fundraising project to fix said issues?
(DIR) Post #AiRYcEbgXWnfxEi6vw by ploum@mamot.fr
2024-05-31T07:40:11Z
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@davidrevoy : Merci David, ce genre de post est essentiel. Et tu pointes bien les problèmes de Wayland que les geeks en console comme moi ne voient pas (je ne sais même pas ce que c’est la calibration d’un écran).Au fait, bienvenue sous Debian !
(DIR) Post #AiRZcgwTI26NmyDNtw by mms@emacs.ch
2024-05-31T07:51:25Z
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@davidrevoy but is the phone working?
(DIR) Post #AiRZo5sKvdsiIsiZ72 by rockmanjoe@fosstodon.org
2024-05-31T07:53:34Z
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@davidrevoy loved this article. I also installed #debian12 with #gnome but I may switch after reading!
(DIR) Post #AiRb890j56CNm0lawS by Pol@mathstodon.xyz
2024-05-31T08:08:23Z
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@davidrevoy Nice setup !! But what's the purpose of the orange device on the left, looks lovely !
(DIR) Post #AiRc1yBMWoAkPFMSWm by bohwaz@mamot.fr
2024-05-31T08:18:28Z
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@davidrevoyThank you I'm not a graphic artist but your post is very useful :)
(DIR) Post #AiRfHL4e02APbrEsuO by bobiko@pol.social
2024-05-31T08:54:52Z
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@davidrevoy wow, I am impressed by the description of the guide on how to create a professional graphics studio on Linux.
(DIR) Post #AiRxU3EBScgnCTudRA by Wildebeest@mastodon.social
2024-05-31T12:18:42Z
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@davidrevoy #3615MyLifePour connaître GNU/Linux depuis...pff...Mandrake 8 (ce qui ne nous rajeunis pas ! 😁 ), je suis passé à Ubuntu 8 (distrib' qui à l'époque reconnaissait ma carte graphique), puis Xubuntu, puis le bureau Openbox.Je suis en train de tester Debian 12 dans une machine virtuelle.👍Le seul truc qui me "chagrine", c'est la gestion des partitions, par rapport à Xubuntu : moins "graphique".Même étant familier des concepts, ça me "parle" moins qu'une gestion graphique...
(DIR) Post #AiS2X0vexnOAi6TpVw by wk@mathstodon.xyz
2024-05-31T13:15:20Z
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@davidrevoy cozy!
(DIR) Post #AiS31nGXoRnLJOvRxo by mhunt@socel.net
2024-05-31T13:20:58Z
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@davidrevoy you really have a more dedicated system, specially regarding the color calibration. I hope things get better for Linux in general. I'm staying with Suse, so far so good, but I don't do half of what you do in the system. Best.
(DIR) Post #AiS4gVVcpvc24ExPZQ by valentin_petzel@aut.social
2024-05-31T13:39:32Z
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@davidrevoy Definitely a thing. There is an oss thing of redoing things that have been done already. And to some extent the Wayland protocol forces every small implementation to care about a lot of things they do not have capacities for, instead of aligning and doing things once properly. And in the end this might be a niche, but then this way we make sure it remains a niche.
(DIR) Post #AiS79zyipb7ys9l14i by fabiocosta0305@ursal.zone
2024-05-31T14:07:16Z
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@davidrevoy on a completely unrelated comment: WOW! A disc phone straight outta 1980s. The first one our family had (on cream) here in Brazil
(DIR) Post #AiSEfp6nTnAi6eelqi by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-31T15:31:25Z
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@fabiocosta0305 Yes, I love the object. It's a Polish phone from the Soviet era for all families. So yes, before the 1990s for sure. You can find more here: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=polish+phone+soviet+era&iax=images&ia=images I got this one in the attic of my parent in laws and my wife knew this one since she was a kid. So, it's part of the family objects. The plastic is super thick, the color is still vivid and this one probably have 40 years. I emptied it, and I plan one day to mod a PC in it 😺
(DIR) Post #AiSH8uRWvQ8sxOLqLY by bartholin@fops.cloud
2024-05-31T15:36:31.582125Z
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@davidrevoy What kind of drawing tablet are you using?
(DIR) Post #AiSH8vk06EVkyy06m8 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-31T15:59:05Z
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@bartholin 🤣 See:
(DIR) Post #AiSM6KXvuuNmohw5WC by saveriobran@mastodon.uno
2024-05-31T16:54:42Z
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@davidrevoy Hi, in case you didn't already tried this easy debian live installer, check it out: https://spirallinux.github.io
(DIR) Post #AiSMq6e5vnbL1ee58S by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-31T17:02:59Z
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@saveriobran Looks good! Thank you for the link.
(DIR) Post #AiSMufpD4re7I51SFc by purusov@mastodon.social
2024-05-31T17:03:47Z
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@davidrevoy David, thank you for the excellent article. You don't have to integrate AppImages into the system manually, there are tools for that. I recommend Gear Lever (available as a Flatpack).
(DIR) Post #AiSODAeTIpca45NqwC by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-31T17:18:21Z
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@purusov I'll check it, thank you!
(DIR) Post #AiSPflw4NMDllFoihc by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-31T17:34:40Z
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@Takiro I agree. Wayland has a lot to offer (eg. on my Lenovo Yoga, the touch gesture and interaction with Dolphin, palm rejection, the on screen keyboard, etc...everything is better under Wayland in this aspect).About Plasma 6 on X11, I learned only after publishing that it still had the kcm_wacom . That's an information who never came to me, even with a lot of research on the topic. I'm glad it exists!I will amend the Plasma 6 section of my article with this info, for completion.
(DIR) Post #AiSSBUjU4TzBa9BV2G by libresurf@pouet.chapril.org
2024-05-31T18:02:50Z
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Hello @davidrevoy Thank you very much for this very detailed guide. 🤩 And welcome in the #debian community ! 😀 Remember that the debian 's strength lies in its social contract :https://www.debian.org/social_contractNormally you shouldn't have to change linux distribution anymore. Personally, I've been using debian + KDE since 2008 (after trying RedHat, Mandrake/Manjaro and Ubuntu) and wouldn't change a thing for the world. !
(DIR) Post #AiSeQXoe5ZwAwEXdHk by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-31T20:20:01Z
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@libresurf Thank you, and I'm going to read this social contract. First time I see it mentioned or crossing my way. It sounds interesting.
(DIR) Post #AiSeb4A8gCXM9hc0J6 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-31T20:21:57Z
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@Pol I don't know, I'm still trying to find how it works 😺 😹
(DIR) Post #AiSejbZyJyWW70lbW4 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-31T20:23:28Z
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@ploum Merci! :debian:
(DIR) Post #AiSfROXi9Sv8QDadQe by ahoneybun@hachyderm.io
2024-05-31T20:31:24Z
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@davidrevoy was something not working in Kubuntu 24.04 LTS for you? It matches with your 3 reasons for using Debian 12.
(DIR) Post #AiSfSdXLtBNxDP0w3k by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-31T20:31:31Z
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@rriemann While throwing money at it could certainly help, I'm not sure it would really accelerate that much that specific task: the Krita developers probably have one of the most complex FLOSS project on KDE ecosystem (with Plasma/Kdenlive ). The update from Qt5 to Qt6 require a really deep knowledge of the Krita code base and also is a task that is plenty of core decision. Only lead Krita dev can tackle this, imo.In any case, fundraiser and/or relaying call to donation is a good idea. Noted!
(DIR) Post #AiSfa4yEI3nqKG8PSK by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-31T20:32:59Z
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@ahoneybun Yep, check part 3. , the paragraph under the artwork. 😉
(DIR) Post #AiSgcfODxHhdoN5hrs by janet@fosstodon.org
2024-05-31T20:44:38Z
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@davidrevoy wow, this was so much more thorough and comprehensive than I was expecting on first click. Lovely job and writing (and I also love your art)!
(DIR) Post #AiSgtlJbB5pv6z4yp6 by carlschwan@floss.social
2024-05-31T20:47:42Z
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@davidrevoy @halla Porting Calligra from Qt5 to Qt6 took me 4 evenings. The transition is a lot easier than previous major Qt updates. The biggest pain was QRegExp.
(DIR) Post #AiShCYXitAMD09eD56 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-31T20:51:07Z
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@janet Thank you! 💜
(DIR) Post #AiSj2UKVtj60wnnPDk by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-05-31T21:11:34Z
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@grum999 Thank you for the tip! That's a good solution for my next install. 👍
(DIR) Post #AiTQYC7b6BdLL30yJc by jnodesu@mastodon.social
2024-06-01T05:19:14Z
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@davidrevoy Thanks for the detailed post! What's wrong with the Flatpak package for Krita?It's Verified on Flathub, which means it's officially maintained by Krita's developers. It's linked as a download option on the Krita site. Though it says "Maintained by the community," which is strange.The Color Management & HDR Wayland protocol seems close. They seem to be waiting for implementations. See this Mesa draft MR from last month: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/28762& Weston: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/issues/467
(DIR) Post #AiTyFC3EX7TK3l5J7Q by purusov@mastodon.social
2024-06-01T08:46:19Z
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@jnodesu @davidrevoy the fact that color management in Wayland is "close" offers little comfort to people who need to get things done _now_ ;)
(DIR) Post #AiTyFD8wTNdHRklNei by jnodesu@mastodon.social
2024-06-01T10:24:31Z
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@purusov @davidrevoy I'm only offering my excitement about it being close.Stay on X11 now, and when CM + the ICC profile portal are merged and compositors have implemented them, creatives (whether they be artists, video editors, photographers, or anyone who deals with color) can use Wayland.
(DIR) Post #AiTyFE6qsdYSRYnE2K by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-01T11:36:47Z
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@jnodesu @purusov Hey, about:> It's Verified on Flathub, which means it's officially maintained by Krita's developers.It just mean it got verified and an icon at a point. Not a seal of approval.Eg. https://github.com/flathub/org.kde.krita/commits/master/ & https://github.com/flathub/org.kde.krita/graphs/contributors : not a single nickname in this list are part of weekly IRC meeting/decisions, or assigned to official bug-fix (as far as I know). It really is a community package, and can be very serious, good, well done, but not officially beta-tested afaik.
(DIR) Post #AiU4S2sGYzUJ5USyGG by purecaldari@mastodon.online
2024-06-01T12:46:20Z
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@davidrevoy This is an awesome post, thanks for all that effort. That's some nice app suggestions that I have to check out later. 👍I'm a Debian user for many years now, but focused on development and system administration. Some weeks ago I switched from KDE on X11 to Gnome on Wayland and I'm very happy with it, the whole system feels snappier and smoother. But I can absolutely understand your frustration with the state of support for pro artists requirements.
(DIR) Post #AiUPY1LbFdaV7vsSeW by oook@im-in.space
2024-06-01T16:42:34Z
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@davidrevoy Not fan of your tone in the article regarding fedora kde spin decision but for your appimage desktop integration issue, there is tool calle appimagelauncher that can automatically create desktop files/entry for appimages you are using.Also had you wanted to stay in the Fedora world, it shouldn't be hard to add a kde x11 session package and maybe someone already created it and maintain or will maintain it in a copr repo, that would have been interesting to check before moving out, especially as you could have stayed in Fedora 39 release for an additional year. I could even have been interested in taking over this task for you as a kind of thank you for your work reward ;-)I understand the appeal of an "LTS" distro for a oro use case though.
(DIR) Post #AiUS2FjIXi7KKQVP84 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-01T17:10:35Z
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@oook Hehe, don't blame me, blame Fedora's KDE decision: I really put a lot of effort into warning them about this situation long before the release, and they did it anyway. ¯\(ツ)/¯When a group openly disrespects me and throws me under the bus as an acceptable side effect of the tech they push, understand that I'm not really motivated to stick around these peoples 😆
(DIR) Post #AiUTcbZYuNecS6qjZI by oook@im-in.space
2024-06-01T17:28:22Z
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@davidrevoy Well in a way they may have helped triggering a bit of drama that will motivate devs to tackle the few pieces missing. Wayland has stagnated in a far from ready state for a decade or so and in the last 2-3 years has really improved to a point it only is lacking for specific use cases such as yours and pary of me think this is because some projects like fedora and gnome have pushed a wayland first approach where bugs and ecosystem limitations would be found by a much higher number of users.
(DIR) Post #AiWApZTcVCZ4u6SXQm by levynoise@fosstodon.org
2024-06-02T13:07:15Z
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@davidrevoy the cat looks too real..
(DIR) Post #AiXluHWZaIsmBxH7TM by chicob@mstdn.social
2024-06-03T07:37:24Z
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@davidrevoyThat pen burrito also looks nice.@josemurilo
(DIR) Post #AiYGlc3902Qhp4r9eq by odintdh@mastodon.social
2024-06-03T13:23:01Z
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@davidrevoy A very useful tutorial. Thanks for sharing it! Three weeks ago I had a problem with an update that completely broke my workstation. So I changed to Debian 12 as I need a very stable distribution to work. In addition to Flatpak an AppImage, I think distrobox is a very useful tool as you can use it to get software from any distribution. For example, you can use it to get software from Aur on your Debian stable. In combination with the Ptyxis terminal is a completely game changer.
(DIR) Post #AiZjtn4H0f008mb1H6 by yuliyan@nahe.social
2024-06-04T06:24:18Z
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@davidrevoy "The risk: This ecosystem might repel professional CG artists who are just trying to install their first Linux distribution alone. After testing what is currently installed by default, they will see the GNU/Linux alternative as a joke." (1/3)
(DIR) Post #AiZjttPPQzTFo4Wz3I by yuliyan@nahe.social
2024-06-04T06:24:19Z
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Unfortunately yes, this is the experience. While I believe that the tradeoff of having to deal with setup complexity once in a while, is worth switching to foss software, I do not think that Linux is in a good place for creatives right now. If I need to add complexity I'd want to end up with a stable setup for many years to come. The sheer mass of different building blocks to achieve this is absurd right now. (2/3)
(DIR) Post #AiZjtwZ5hRzvay5G3k by yuliyan@nahe.social
2024-06-04T06:24:19Z
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I believe we should work towards more standardisation of common components and more importantly, a considerate and inclusive standardisation. It's easy to recommend someone to "just usr Linux". But many times it feels like someone is offering you twenty rubber boats when you actually need a ship. (3/3)
(DIR) Post #AicjEnMrZaREficgzY by alexp@mastodon.sdf.org
2024-06-05T17:00:54Z
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@davidrevoy Hi, just came across a link to your article on ycombinator news - very informative - thank you. This helped me discover the possibility of implementing color management and customization of Wacom tablet. I use software on Linux to organize, develop and process photos, so this is equally important to me. Thank you.
(DIR) Post #Aid0HMLQCROkwyl0tc by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-05T20:12:00Z
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@alexp Thank you for the feedback! I'm glad it was helpful 🙂
(DIR) Post #AiegO5a5JZnyDeT1xw by jnodesu@mastodon.social
2024-06-06T15:38:29Z
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@davidrevoy Hey, thought you might want to know about gsetwacom, which is superseding xsetwacom by the main developer for libwacom: https://who-t.blogspot.com/2024/06/goodbye-xsetwacom-hello-gsetwacom.htmlIt works on GNOME Wayland and X11 sessions. Not on Plasma or anywhere else though.
(DIR) Post #AiemJoJk9qV5FBAPI0 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-06T16:45:00Z
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@jnodesu Hey, see https://framapiaf.org/@whot@fosstodon.org/112568806994236119 😉 😺
(DIR) Post #Aij9qC4MSXUBknDpdQ by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-08T19:27:21Z
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@Brian_Innes Oh no. I hope you'll find a workaround. Yes, appimage can be quickly obsolete, and I was very surprised when I learned that because I was totally sold to the idea of them being like old PC games on CD-Rom: coming with all necessary stuff to run on their own. But nope, they often need many core component of the system too.¯\(ツ)/¯
(DIR) Post #AilWu9EdcpnZNqnsGm by jrredho@mastodon.world
2024-06-09T22:55:08Z
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@davidrevoy I'm sorry to have taken so long to get back to you on this!I know that X11 will no longer be supported, bur what I meant to say was that you *can* still install it (`plasma-workspace-x11`) and use it. It's only maintained by the package maintainer, though.https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-40-kde-spin-x11-doesnt-exist/113892/5?replies_to_post_number=5 use X11Regardless, you're probably set yourself up by moving on, so this is all most likely moot.
(DIR) Post #AizReowbYZaw7MpM9I by fenglengshun@mastodon.social
2024-06-16T16:02:26Z
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@davidrevoy I think KDE 6.1 is improving a lot on the pain points for artists, at least on tablet front: https://pointieststick.com/2024/06/14/this-week-in-kde-final-plasma-6-1-polishing-and-new-features-for-6-2/Unfortunately, we just have to rework a lot of things because we *need* a platform that can be built on, and we want the Pipewire-Wayland-Portals platform to work on every distro and ecosystem. So everything has to be redone with the future in mind...
(DIR) Post #Aj1GRyzFKwMOdtNJiq by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-17T13:06:16Z
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@Brian_Innes 😍 Nice! Thanks for the feedback, and this colorimeter looks really good.Oh yes about the Nvidia driver, it's a complex situation and I had feedback that it's a difficult step to adopt this distro. I'm glad it worked out for you.
(DIR) Post #Aj1nn8f7r74VDdewz2 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-17T16:10:40Z
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@Brian_Innes I just saw your edit; was the Nvidia situation easier to manage on Mx?
(DIR) Post #Aj1wKdwFOMBVPT9fyi by anatoliyl@mastodon.social
2024-06-17T20:55:32Z
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@davidrevoy But trisquel(there is KDE version of it called triskel) is better 🕺.
(DIR) Post #Aj9QEjdvPjQq8KpoAa by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-06-21T11:33:33Z
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@jfml I really its minimalism. The only thing I miss would be a next/previous floating icon appearing on Mouse hover; a bit like in Eye of Gnome. A feature I really like is the Quick Move, Quick Copy; and the configurable ten target bookmark directories. I clean up my temporary/downloads/screenshots files so quickly with that.I also like how the GUI allows to reduce the picture as a small size, to see the overall, and how it can open Krita files too. 🙂
(DIR) Post #AjCMMgZ2AyV37rsMNM by anatoliyl@mastodon.social
2024-06-22T21:34:17Z
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@davidrevoy You should try Trisquel(or its KDE version - Triskel).
(DIR) Post #AjalziY2dR0JgWXmz2 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-07-04T16:14:36Z
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@manujarvinen hey Manu! Oh yes, the dream 🙂 I think the closer article like that I had was around 2012 https://www.davidrevoy.com/article110/kubuntu-11-10-for-digital-painting , but now I reread it, it looks like the situation was equally as messy for other reasons 🤣 But somehow I remembered this distribution as the most easier and out of the box guide I had.
(DIR) Post #AodASeQQoMIvNPaQqm by 70hz@livellosegreto.it
2024-12-02T09:18:09Z
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@davidrevoy Thank you for your guide and your work! I'll keep it in mind if/when I'll have to switch distro (I'm on Linux Mint/Cinnamon at the moment). I've seen promising things on the next versions of KDE Plasma and I think it might be time to switch distribution.[Also, apologies for me being off-topic, but I was asking what kind of external monitors you use, I've got the brand but not the model.]
(DIR) Post #AodNfg6hAX6XlEth7Q by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2024-12-02T11:46:28Z
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@70hz Thank you!For my monitors, they are to Philips 245E (24 inch, quad HD), I love their frameless design and the contrast of the IPS. Their colorspace is pretty limited (almost a sRGB), but it's true they are very robust. They are from 2019 I think, and before that, I had two Philips too, same design, but 21inch and 1080p. I changed them for a resolution upgrade (they were still working) That's probably why it looks like on photos more than 10 years ago I still had the same screens. ☺️
(DIR) Post #Aoe616GbUxkwxUYatk by 70hz@livellosegreto.it
2024-12-02T20:03:20Z
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@davidrevoy That's cool! And thanks for replying :)(I cited and linked this article in a post of my blog, I hope it's ok)
(DIR) Post #Ax4bDTnLwi61fMVW88 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
2025-08-11T21:52:07Z
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@Brian_Innes hey, not immediately. In terms of OS and DE , I'm fine with 12 and all my apps upgrade when I want because of Flatpak or appimages. There is really low benefits to me to upgrade, except loosing hours to fix something that is already working 😉 But I'll probably do it to update my guide later this autumn.