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(DIR) Post #AiKQHi6hVJcrcvCV3Q by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-27T21:03:57Z
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What is Marxist Federalism?
(DIR) Post #AiKR56i8oexg7kGdWa by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-27T21:12:53Z
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(DIR) Post #AiKt9fZDxe286T3nU0 by aeleoglyphic@mastodon.social
2024-05-28T02:26:25Z
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@Radical_EgoCom So what MLs claim to want but never achieve.
(DIR) Post #AiKuayx6607NzvoXvE by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-28T02:43:32Z
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@aeleoglyphic Not necessarily. Marxist-Leninist advocates for a centralized transition state, whereas Marxist-Federalist advocates for a decentralized transition state.
(DIR) Post #AiKvfUwfBkBCKpKQng by aeleoglyphic@mastodon.social
2024-05-28T02:55:22Z
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@Radical_EgoCom I might have misphrased. I mean to say we have a proper transitionary state that actually leads to statelessness. My point was that MLs claim to want statelessness as a long term goal and this gets us there quicker. Apologies for the bad working.
(DIR) Post #AiMFx5bSLBXxBx2CYK by nus@mstdn.social
2024-05-28T18:17:33Z
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@Radical_EgoCom Instructions unclear, I accidentally posted an Adam Smith quote on top of it.
(DIR) Post #AiMGYbCNpdYjtlC1Oy by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-28T18:24:22Z
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@nus Even though it's not a Marx quote, I'm pretty sure he'd have agreed with it.
(DIR) Post #AiMcFUOV6YyIHf9aFc by abm0@social.vivaldi.net
2024-05-28T22:27:24Z
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@Radical_EgoCom And how is this different from an AnCom federation?
(DIR) Post #AiMdma6H0jgvUVyHPU by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-28T22:44:37Z
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@abm0 Marxist Federalism aims for a centralized state(less centralized than Marxist Leninist states, with more decentralized and democratic forms of decision-making) where the government controls the means of production and distribution, aiming to achieve classless society through a transitionary period. Anarcho-Communist federalism advocates for decentralized, stateless communities where workers directly own and manage resources, aiming to abolish hierarchy and capitalism immediately.
(DIR) Post #AiMgY1xzQDE1R5qlJQ by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-28T23:15:36Z
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@djuuss @abm0 I think that cultural transformation through re-educating people to overcome capitalist ideologies, as well as collective ownership and democratic control over the means of production, can prevent the re-emergence of exploitation and competition.
(DIR) Post #AiMgnVdHPH4fmrXmJU by Glamazon@cyberpunk.lol
2024-05-28T23:18:23Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @djuuss @abm0 Like sustainablity, we cannot solve this problem once and wash our hands of it, we must always have a process in place to prevent the aggregation of private surplus of wealth or power.
(DIR) Post #AiMgvV2ZUYQSGeBSxU by abm0@social.vivaldi.net
2024-05-28T23:19:46Z
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@Radical_EgoCom Oh wow, that's gotta be the weirdest plan I've heard yet. So you imagine you can get the vast majority of the people convinced to switch to a new way of doing things, and the material resources needed to make the reorganization real, and for the whole process to start from the grassroots... only to then use it all to build a new centralized power structure? That makes no sense. All the things necessary to build all of that up are already sufficient to speed through directly to a state-less society. That such a massive grassroots reorganization is probably near-impossible to do is exactly _why_ leninists and others said no, you know what, we should strike at the existing center of power and take over the existing state, which is already built up, and then reform it and reform it until it's no longer needed anymore and just withers away.
(DIR) Post #AiMhIafMk2jUNML9bE by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-28T23:24:01Z
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@Glamazon @djuuss @abm0 Completely agree!
(DIR) Post #AiMhJbGO0VBWW88auW by abm0@social.vivaldi.net
2024-05-28T23:24:10Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @djuuss You do realize if your strategy is based on changing culture first and using that as a basis to change material reality afterwards, that's idealism, and is exactly backwards to how dialectical materialism works? With this kind of logic you might as well be a Liberal, this isn't Marxist thinking. ;)
(DIR) Post #AiMi1Z0LlY6CFnbHNY by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-28T23:32:09Z
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@abm0 I think you may be misunderstanding the Marxist Federalist position. Similar to Marxist Leninism, Marxist Federalism advocates for the creation of a transitory state between capitalism and communism. The difference is that where Marxist Leninism has a huge emphasis on centralized control, Marxist Federalism has less focus on it, incorporating more decentralized forms of governance and decision-making to prevent abuses of power and to keep control in the hands of the workers.
(DIR) Post #AiMiZZJ19XZH28Xx8i by abm0@social.vivaldi.net
2024-05-28T23:38:17Z
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@Radical_EgoCom Um, no, you seem to be misunderstanding Leninism. Leninism doesn't "create" any state, it takes over the existing state from the capitalists. This state is hypercentralized because that's how capitalists built it up, because that's what they needed from it.As for your Federalism, you still haven't explained why you wouldn't go straight to a Communist stateless society. Your method of buildup already requires so much cultural influence and so many material resources you could just reshape all of society without any transitional phase of centralized-anything.
(DIR) Post #AiMjHD8yuZOj2cf9BQ by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-28T23:46:10Z
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@abm0 A transitional state is necessary to reorganize society and the economy gradually and prepare the groundwork for a smooth transition to communism. It allows for the redistribution of resources, the establishment of democratic structures, and the education and cultural transformation of the population, which are essential for the success of communism. A transitional state is also necessary for defending the revolution from counter-revolutionary forces and external threats.
(DIR) Post #AiNLUra7flDGTnIKoq by abm0@social.vivaldi.net
2024-05-29T06:54:25Z
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@Radical_EgoCom You keep repeating that, but you never explain why. Why is it that only a state can organize production and distribution to properly address human needs? If that were true it would mean stateless Communism is impossible.And why is a state the only way to fight counterrevolutionaries? Why can't local community self-policing do it?And why do you need to keep fighting counterrevolutionaries until the end of time? Didn't Marx say the revolution happens when the "immense majority" of the population is proletarian and has come to want a revolution? If the revolution is done properly, there should be hardly any reactionaries left (this where it seems Lenin went wrong - he tried to force a revolution through when society wasn't ready and there was no "immense majority" on his side).
(DIR) Post #AiNe1UxWbNdh32x5uq by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-29T10:22:02Z
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@abm0 1/7 A state, as a centralized authority, is necessary in organizing large-scale production and distribution to address human needs efficiently. The state, representing the interests of the working class, can coordinate resources and prioritize societal welfare over profit.
(DIR) Post #AiNe4c7oPpXs8qFXFI by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-29T10:22:35Z
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@abm0 2/7 The idea that only a state can organize production and distribution does not render stateless Communism impossible. The idea is that a transitional period where the state gradually withers away as class distinctions dissolve will lead to a stateless, classless society where production and distribution are managed collectively by the people themselves.
(DIR) Post #AiNe72E2LVeTfaJcm0 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-29T10:23:02Z
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@abm0 3/7 A state is essential in combating counterrevolutionaries because it possesses the authority and resources to maintain social order and defends against external threats. Additionally, the state can organize and mobilize the masses to resist counterrevolutionary forces effectively.
(DIR) Post #AiNe9XuFWoW4VOG1aa by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-29T10:23:28Z
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@abm0 4/7 While local community self-policing can play a role in maintaining order, it lacks the centralized coordination and resources necessary to effectively combat counterrevolutionaries on a larger scale.
(DIR) Post #AiNeBbdKdr2UdzKJzU by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-29T10:23:51Z
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@abm0 5/7 The need to continually combat counterrevolutionaries stems from the persistent threat posed by reactionary forces seeking to undermine revolutionary progress and reinstate capitalist systems of exploitation. As long as class antagonisms exist, there will be attempts to reverse socialist gains, necessitating ongoing vigilance and resistance.
(DIR) Post #AiNeDXYWlyUwZq0BA8 by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-29T10:24:13Z
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@abm0 6/7 Marx indeed suggested that revolution occurs when the proletarian class, representing the immense majority, reaches a revolutionary consciousness and actively seeks to overthrow capitalism. However, the process of achieving this revolutionary consciousness and mobilizing the masses is complex and may require protracted struggles against capitalist oppression and ideological hegemony.
(DIR) Post #AiNeEtSkoDn6oFwkpE by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-29T10:24:27Z
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@abm0 7/7 While Marx anticipated that successful revolution would diminish the ranks of reactionaries, the persistence of counterrevolutionary forces can be attributed to various factors. Even in a post-revolutionary society, remnants of capitalist ideology and class interests may persist, necessitating ongoing efforts to counter reactionary tendencies.
(DIR) Post #AiNzr31jnOnwVwLQUy by abm0@social.vivaldi.net
2024-05-29T14:26:34Z
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@Radical_EgoCom I think I've figured out why you never seem to be really addressing the core point of any question you're being asked: your "answers" all sound like they're LLM/GPT-generated.You're either not educated enough to have these discussions, you don't care enough to write the answers yourself, or you're just a bot account. Which one would you say is most probably true? :)
(DIR) Post #AiO1HNiHbia29eMj4a by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-05-29T14:42:36Z
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@abm0 There's no need for you to be so rude. Yes, I used ChatGPT to look up the information in my comments, but I'm by no means blindly sending random information. I go through the information it gives me and use the information to construct my own responses. I can assure you that I'm taking this conversation seriously.
(DIR) Post #AiO2ZtVSEwTfvSky8m by abm0@social.vivaldi.net
2024-05-29T14:57:05Z
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@Radical_EgoCom You do realize that your Mastodon server's rules (#6 to be precise) mandate that you explicitly mark any content you post that's made with Generative AI, right? And that I could report you for having failed to do that, repeatedly.
(DIR) Post #AiO3Aa97BTNCaynkfY by djsf@fosstodon.org
2024-05-29T15:03:47Z
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@Radical_EgoCom @abm0 I prefer Anarcho-Communism, but I think a transitional period is required in that case too.Creating a permanently independent and sustainable community with its own industrial capacity and the ability to withstand attempts to dismantle it will take time and considerable resources. In my opinion that means some members will need to focus on siphoning financial resources from the capitalist system into the commune so it can build industrial capacity.
(DIR) Post #AiagAncvylAa8fci80 by Rob600@mastodon.social
2024-06-04T17:17:22Z
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@Radical_EgoCom When power is devided, who is it devided with under Marxist federalism?state, workers councils and etc.
(DIR) Post #AiagQawysVuTSLX2nI by Radical_EgoCom@mastodon.social
2024-06-04T17:20:13Z
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@Rob600 It would likely be divided among workers' councils that have direct democratic decision-making among all the workers.