Post AiFjFqIkzdQFnirZa4 by turbobob@mamot.fr
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(DIR) Post #AiFaxYuW79WX1BIUYC by Linux@linuxrocks.online
2024-05-25T13:09:08Z
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The new Linux phone from Jolla & its benefits? ⛵ :linux: ◉Sailfish OS - the only independent commercial mobile OS◉Sailfish is NOT 100% closed source - Jolla plans to open the remaining blobs◉More "Linuxy" than Android; Qt / Wayland / filesystem◉Free of Google / Apple◉Use Android compatibility in case an :android: app is needed◉Jolla is a Finnish company - 🇫🇮 / 🇮🇸 are considered most trustworthy nations in Europe►https://shop.jolla.com/details/91eb91d3-c3de-41d0-b3c0-7075a339112d/#Jolla #phone #SailfishOS #Linux #Finland #Europe
(DIR) Post #AiFber6iKq49uFe8C8 by devzero@graz.social
2024-05-25T13:17:24Z
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@LinuxAnd what is with that subscription model? That sounds mandatory. Isn't it?
(DIR) Post #AiFdeRKoMBy7slAZv6 by maxamillion@fosstodon.org
2024-05-25T13:39:34Z
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@Linux they won't ship to the USA, same as all their products since the failed attempt at a tablet years ago. ☹️
(DIR) Post #AiFertbCgKfPGGoiwK by justin@toot.io
2024-05-25T13:53:18Z
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@Linux zero interest in a subscription to get phone updates.
(DIR) Post #AiFhSaPfB6HANb2gfA by Linux@linuxrocks.online
2024-05-25T14:22:07Z
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@devzero Most don't see the subscription model a problem - €4,99 is merely a couple cups of coffee in a restaurant (even just one cup) - and gain is a truly Google / Apple free choice with a truly Linux mobile OS ✌️
(DIR) Post #AiFiToZo6TaMYDw8hs by turbobob@mamot.fr
2024-05-25T14:30:48Z
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@Linux Their subscription model truly ought to be part of your list. Otherwise this is little more than misleading advertising.
(DIR) Post #AiFiYKneEx1neEZ99c by Linux@linuxrocks.online
2024-05-25T14:31:43Z
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@maxamillion It is still very possible to use this phone / Sailfish OS in USA with local service providers.@Kernellinux has expressed his ❤️ for Sailfish plus also provided tips on how to do this, in a podcast.
(DIR) Post #AiFiauljTkZ5mctsNk by Linux@linuxrocks.online
2024-05-25T14:32:49Z
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@turbobob Check the earlier post https://linuxrocks.online/@Linux/112486183713621902
(DIR) Post #AiFifwFbOgFTpKGccK by turbobob@mamot.fr
2024-05-25T14:34:58Z
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@Linux @devzero Most?Sounds like you're just making this up. What is this claim of yours based on exactly?
(DIR) Post #AiFir1PcXxSx1LEp72 by Sturmflut@mastodon.social
2024-05-25T13:52:34Z
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@devzero @Linux It looks like the plan is to ship every phone with an included one-year license, and if you choose not to extend that you won't get any updates anymore. So effectively it's going to be mandatory as long as you don't plan on buying a new phone ever year.
(DIR) Post #AiFir2NAyX6Y036NwO by devzero@graz.social
2024-05-25T14:28:51Z
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@SturmflutThat is a big no go for me. Additional if the won't get not enough customers it might end as a brick anyway when they abandon the device. @Linux
(DIR) Post #AiFir32IVdzw3aLE2K by Linux@linuxrocks.online
2024-05-25T14:37:23Z
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@devzero @Sturmflut People cannot predict these things with a crystal ball right. One can always remain in the old Google / Apple paradigm if a subscription model here REALLY is a deal breaker. Buying this phone gets customer 1 year subscriptions included. One could check it out for an entire year / then decide whether continuing is honkydory 👍
(DIR) Post #AiFj2tE2oJWZ6ZTyFc by Linux@linuxrocks.online
2024-05-25T14:39:38Z
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@turbobob @devzero Oh you mean the price of a cup of coffee or what do you mean about making something up? Because €4,99 really is about 2 cups of coffee in a restaurant in Europe.
(DIR) Post #AiFjFqIkzdQFnirZa4 by turbobob@mamot.fr
2024-05-25T14:41:27Z
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@Linux @devzero I am talking about this: "Most don't see the subscription model a problem".Sounds like you're just making this up. What is this claim of yours based on exactly?
(DIR) Post #AiFjMxsTDx1ZKBxoyO by Linux@linuxrocks.online
2024-05-25T14:43:08Z
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@turbobob @devzero Right, most don't see this a problem or a deal breaker who truly seek getting rid of the ecosystem of Google and its services. The price of this freedom therefore is merely a couple of cups of coffee, so.
(DIR) Post #AiFjXo5Txoiu99DhYG by Alexmitter@mastodon.social
2024-05-25T14:44:15Z
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@Linux >Jolla plans to open the remaining blobsThey promised that like 10 years ago, by now they can shove that promise up their butt. Jolla is not a fair player, they are the Qt Company of the phone world.
(DIR) Post #AiFjfHhQGXB80tX2TA by turbobob@mamot.fr
2024-05-25T14:47:05Z
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@Linux @devzero Ok, so you are just making this up because you believe it is true. However your own belief is not enough to make it a reality.Then, you should rather say "I believe that most won't see the subscription model a problem", and that'd be fine.Maybe you don't see it, but there is a difference. Cheers.
(DIR) Post #AiFjtvAAL05sSgxIh6 by Linux@linuxrocks.online
2024-05-25T14:48:41Z
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@Alexmitter Well, we will see about that. Whether those blobs are opened or not, still is not a deal breaker for lovers of this product either; Sailfish OS has gained much love in mobile phone computing area.Sailfish OS is also a much more "normie compatible" alternative than anything else in the marginal - and close in simplicity to those mega corporations outings ✌️
(DIR) Post #AiFk8e4k9PFFoGRMUy by Linux@linuxrocks.online
2024-05-25T14:51:44Z
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@turbobob @devzero Sure it can be seen, now that you put it that way. "Most" means also not "absolutely everyone" - and the reasoning is naturally as explained; the aim is away from these old mega entities and the price is €4,99 :thinkhappy:
(DIR) Post #AiFkLPrgITOBV6Q760 by Alexmitter@mastodon.social
2024-05-25T14:54:24Z
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@Linux Yea, Jolla is a totally lovable company that never absolutely f*cked their paying customers over and over and over again. And I have to yet meet someone that actually liked Sailfish OS after 2013 when its awful interface already only attracted the few people that liked the N9.
(DIR) Post #AiFkdHDFCjOhsY1Stc by Linux@linuxrocks.online
2024-05-25T14:57:44Z
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@Alexmitter The challenges are huge for these tiny companies in the midst of relentless opposition and their billions (and THEIR abuse of people's information the get even more money). Remember Purism and Librem 5 for instance. They still pulled it somewhat towards a more positive note.These little players wouldn't do these things on purpose - there is not many "playgrounds" as harsh as this mobile area, right.
(DIR) Post #AiFkyAmSJW1u0lSN4S by Alexmitter@mastodon.social
2024-05-25T15:01:42Z
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@Linux lol, you really licking some finish boots here. Jolla is fucked and by no means a trustworthy company and their product is, in terms of open-sourceness a joke even compared to a regular android mass production ROM. Its a bit more compatible with the rest of the linux ecosystem, but that does not help because the OS is such crappy buggy garbage that its not really possible to reap the benefits. Any random android phone with good postmarketos support is by far better in any way.
(DIR) Post #AiFlNySElSY5JOIogy by devzero@graz.social
2024-05-25T15:05:49Z
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@LinuxThe problem for me with that for me is primarily, that this is encouraging even more to start with such subscription models. Until everything is only subscription based and that's it. This would for me a horrible scenario. It should be pay once and that's it, even it might be a bit more expensive in the upfront. Additional to that, nobody guarantees you that the price will be kept at the current value. See Netflix and others.
(DIR) Post #AiFlY7RyAp4k6i0z6O by Linux@linuxrocks.online
2024-05-25T15:06:42Z
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@Alexmitter The bottom line is that here is this alternative now, a true choice and those who fancy such - can get to it. The old ways and mega corpos are still there after this phone is released and one can continue with them as usual. Don't think there are many companies with a flawless pure track record in this world about this particular business. Things are not easy in the current situation - it is great to have these little "rebels" with a courage to challenge.
(DIR) Post #AiFlyDVoG3XCRAFtiq by Alexmitter@mastodon.social
2024-05-25T15:12:23Z
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@Linux Considering Jollas trackrecord, it will be a miracle if they even deliver the hardware and basically the return of Jesus if they support it for more than a few months.
(DIR) Post #AiFm8taIgkTXonRpdA by Linux@linuxrocks.online
2024-05-25T15:14:24Z
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@devzero It can also change at one point - the point where Jolla can hold on to their ground more firmly. It is quite possible they wouldn't do this change if it wasn't almost necessary. At least for time being; to survive more likely? Who knows? Maybe Jolla is gone the next year and we'll have just Google and Apple (plus those margin options - not suitable at all for normies) - and no one to complain about Jolla's subscription model no more. Harsh but true :blobthinkingeyes:
(DIR) Post #AiFmO10xLXXxCo7qlc by maxamillion@fosstodon.org
2024-05-25T15:15:11Z
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@Linux @Kernellinux can't buy any of their products though, software or hardware.
(DIR) Post #AiFmdHkjOcG7SiolSC by Linux@linuxrocks.online
2024-05-25T15:17:23Z
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@maxamillion @Kernellinux A friend from Europe could send the device to you :thinkhappy: Maybe check out what Noah J. had to say about this. He's using a Sailfish powered phone the last i know (from that podcast).
(DIR) Post #AiFtgYpP49sUy6VoBc by robianhood@mastodon.social
2024-05-25T16:29:54Z
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@Linux, Sailfish OS has systemd inside 👎 👎
(DIR) Post #AiFxIl8U3QHG0ULJjM by bart@mastodon.fam-ribbers.com
2024-05-25T17:20:01Z
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@Linux I don't mind a subscription at all, it's a solid way to keep developers employed. What I do have a problem with is the proprietary parts (which is more than AOSP!). Yeah they promise to open-source it, but they have since the beginning and I still don't see it.I had the first Jolla Phone for 4 years and even back then there was "the promise". I'm still waiting.
(DIR) Post #AiG1FTkgd7lz2Wu3g8 by Sturmflut@mastodon.social
2024-05-25T17:51:40Z
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@Linux @devzero It's not just the fact that it's a subscription model. There are people on Jolla forums who would be ready to pay up to 100 euros for a one-time license (twice of what a license cost previously) but still think the new model is too expensive.If you pre-order the new 299 Euro Community phone and use it for just three and a half years, the subscription fees will already add up to more than half of the initial price of the phone.
(DIR) Post #AiM9H0OKjBbP8mRiIC by pavel@social.kernel.org
2024-05-25T20:20:13.791927Z
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@Linux Nothing is 100% closed source these days. And Jolla was more closed-source than just the blobs. Try not to mislead people.
(DIR) Post #AiM9H1VSaAtgbAmv2W by Linux@linuxrocks.online
2024-05-28T17:02:05Z
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@pavel Just like you said: "Was". And Jolla has plans to open yet more. Even Canonical's Launchpad was not open originally... :thinkhappy: