Post Ahx4ejdRK2MfOo0efI by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
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 (DIR) Post #AhoDtWA8qUBl7hn2xc by sun@shitposter.world
       2024-05-12T08:14:22.792319Z
       
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       no spaces or multi-byte characters is a new one for me.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoDyX0J9275BGa5JI by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
       2024-05-12T08:15:07.108906Z
       
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       @sun Well fuck you too, I want to use 🤔 in my password for maximum security.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoE1PYrGzVyxy7BsO by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
       2024-05-12T08:15:41.533418Z
       
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       @sun Actually 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 would be a pretty secure password.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoEX9qHFendTtOtFo by cell@pl.ebin.zone
       2024-05-12T08:15:35.703932Z
       
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       @sun what 8-bit ascii extension does utf-8 conform to?
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoEXAVklRybYWo0u0 by cell@pl.ebin.zone
       2024-05-12T08:16:18.063008Z
       
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       @sun was it iso-8859-1?
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoEXBWqyqS0iEKPFw by cell@pl.ebin.zone
       2024-05-12T08:17:02.314000Z
       
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       @sun yes, yes it was iso-8859-1 :heheLain: shame about the funny pictures in code page 437 tho
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoEicQJKNUbJFigzY by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
       2024-05-12T08:23:27.983119Z
       
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       @sun Ah yes, proprietary data handling software that can't handle spaces or UTF-8 (in decent software you just memcpy the password into the format the salting and hashing function requires and such function doesn't care if it has spaces or multibyte characters it in).That's a possible code injection vulnerability I reckon - you just need to bypass the client side checks.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoGKN6IqTVUkGvY00 by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2024-05-12T08:41:36.427669Z
       
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       @sun At least they give you the upper limit for length.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoHkoBWrwaeEGXdsO by romin@shitposter.world
       2024-05-12T08:57:38.013438Z
       
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       @Suiseiseki @sun>in decent software you just memcpy the password into the format the salting and hashing function requires and such function doesn't care if it has spaces or multibyte characters it inyou can't do that, you need to normalize the unicode string first, that'd be awful software :l_sigh:
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoHw0QPhWrJNOqKQa by sun@shitposter.world
       2024-05-12T08:59:38.967769Z
       
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       @romin @Suiseiseki if a site tells me that I can't have spaces (even leading or trailing) I assume that my data is touching a shell script somewhere lol
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoIDNKdmrAxLNQQSG by romin@shitposter.world
       2024-05-12T09:02:47.719967Z
       
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       @sun @Suiseiseki nah recall that there are multiple space characters in unicode, nips have onefor instance, this is 200% a "don't wanna handle unicode strings" issue
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoIJjCROciyu2cRNI by sun@shitposter.world
       2024-05-12T09:03:56.137522Z
       
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       @romin @Suiseiseki you are right about unicode I just meant specifically from the image about leading or trailing spaces. it's probably just to prevent copy-paste mistakes but I'm still wary.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoLhekTtcEruXdtrs by charliebrownau@poa.st
       2024-05-12T08:28:41.882585Z
       
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       @Suiseiseki @sun GdayJust uploaded a video onOpensource Document Creationpoast.tv/w/rszBs6VGRWZzGqF1SM7BA5I recently came acrossPlain Text Accounting , sounds good and able to cross platform data
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoLhfeUXN2eiFqdAe by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
       2024-05-12T09:41:41.207319Z
       
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       @charliebrownau Watching the video, despite good intentions, you're unfortunately confusing people who have likely never heard of the concept of software freedom by giving them the wrong ideas.If you release further videos, please consider how it's everyone's duty when it comes to beginners to get the information across in a non-confusing manner.This requires defining and differentiating between free software, "open source", proprietary and commercial software and making sure to use the correct term every time and also making sure to refer to GNU/Linux as GNU/Linux, or your preferred separator or any preferred correct name (LiGNUx for example) - sure this takes 2-3 minutes, but it's certainly worth it.>open source document creationWhat does this even mean? Can you define it?The only definition for "open source" I've found refers to the licensing of source code; https://opensource.org/osd and the 10 requirements aren't too bad, but such definition still ends up falling short when it comes to software freedom - after all, the "OSI" has approved multiple proprietary licenses.Going off the only definition I've found, as most documents don't have source code, it's usually nonsensical to apply "open source" to document authorship.>available information to everyone for freeWhy would the freedom of this sort of general information be restricted to the point that payment would be required?What license is the video under? I hope you selected a freedom-respecting one.>Linux mascot (Tux) in the right cornerCan you explain the relevance of including this logo?Despite it being the poster child of "open source", Linux is NOT "open source", as it isn't even completely source-available.>both open code and closed code softwareWhat does this mean?I guess you're abbreviated "open source code software and closed source code software", but that's a very strange way to differentiate between the freedom of free software and the malice of proprietary software.>Closed Source Office Suites - ... Only Office ...Only office is free software, licensed under the GNU Affero GPL version 3 only, although it is advertised as SaaSS, with most people seemingly not self-hosting it;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OnlyOffice?useskin=monobookhttps://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.htmlhttps://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl-3.0.htmlThe main issue I see that the "CommunityServer" is mostly C#, which means that such software is trapped to proprietary software from microsoft, despite how the source code itself is free, but I see limited amounts of C# in other implementations, which hopefully would be only be for the proprietary "integrations", which the exclusion of is a feature.I guess you are pointing out the issues of the SaaSS version of "Only Office", which is indeed free software for them, but the way that was conveyed would be confusing for everyone not on my level.>LibreOffice is not available to everyone for freeLibreOffice is not merely gratis - it's libre.It's free software available under either the Lesser GNU GPL version 3 or the Mozilla Public License version 1.1.Although it's typically available gratis, you may sell it for any price if you can find a buyer.>Available for LinuxThe dependency list is huge, but a direct and indirect dependency is GNU gettext and gnupg (via gpgme), which makes it available for GNU/Linux.>portableapps.com is a great site to get various softwareThat site doesn't seem that great as it lists quite a few proprietary software programs as "(freeware)" and but doesn't give any further details as to what that entails.If I was to recommend that site, I would point out it also includes some malware that's marked as "freeware".>If you run a business you have to train people to use different sorts of softwareA military compared microsoft office and libreoffice and found out that they were the same training and usability wise.>microsoft and other commercial software out thereYou're confusing commercial and proprietary.https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html#selling>you can add passwords ... with other software to libreoffice documentsLibreOffice does include a built-in password feature, which is now reasonably secure.Gnumeric is free software under the GNU GPL version 2 and it's developed for GNU only - considering the GNU right there in the name.HomeBank is GPLv2 and depends on GNU gettext.According to wikipedia, keepass is GPLv2-or-later but seeing how version 2+ is written in C#, that version is probably proprietary.ghostwriter is GPLv3-or-later
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoLqxxXqAX269Byq0 by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
       2024-05-12T09:43:24.534734Z
       
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       @romin A user typing in a non-normalized string is user error tbh.Sure you can pass it though a normalization function too.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoMKdodIahOJLAqP2 by romin@shitposter.world
       2024-05-12T09:48:55.775037Z
       
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       @Suiseiseki>A user typing in a non-normalized string is user error tbh.No it isn't :l_sigh:
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoMYYNAKgVVU3xau8 by p
       2024-05-12T09:51:26.911689Z
       
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       @romin @Suiseiseki @sun > you can't do that, you need to normalize the unicode string first,I put control characters in some of my passwords.  I would be pissed if something tried to normalize it to UTF-8.  It is a bytestring, you reduce the entropy if you normalize it, and hash functions don't care.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoMmISGJMpMAath8S by romin@shitposter.world
       2024-05-12T09:53:55.519024Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @sun control characters aren't multi-byte, they aren't wiped out by normalization as they're utf8 compatible
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoMoEWftDeuZ1sufo by charliebrownau@poa.st
       2024-05-12T09:46:19.062216Z
       
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       @Suiseiseki The average sheeple wouldnt care fucking less about Linux vs GNU/Linux termIts hard enough getting them off Windowslet alone being pandic about Word definitions
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoMoFgHaywG97O6Hw by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
       2024-05-12T09:54:07.026612Z
       
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       @charliebrownau Then just say GNU then - it's shorter and it's not incorrect.I'm not being pedantic - Linux is only a kernel and is not usable unless you at least add systemd; https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/init/main.c#n1494If you insist on repeating that error because it's a "nice sounding" buzzword, please at least avoid making the other errors.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoMuiC0VDzKJLJ5Gq by p
       2024-05-12T09:55:27.188475Z
       
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       @romin @Suiseiseki @sun If I use high-ASCII, I don't want it normalized.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoN06Lo6wHggSScuu by romin@shitposter.world
       2024-05-12T09:56:25.217816Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @sun well tough luck if their database isn't using the right character set
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoN8O85tSj08lzvu4 by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
       2024-05-12T09:57:44.908621Z
       
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       @p Extended ASCII is of differing behavior between systems and is not valid UTF-8.An error-checking implementation should reject that input for not being valid UTF-8.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoNFYEqhtwfWIZb4i by p
       2024-05-12T09:59:13.160094Z
       
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       @romin @Suiseiseki @sun What, are we talking about webapps?Nevermind.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoNHkH0vsUBQOdFKa by p
       2024-05-12T09:59:36.952597Z
       
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       @romin @Suiseiseki @sun Wait, hold on, their database shouldn't *see* the password.  It's supposed to get hashed way before then.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoNUrL1ydll6HlQxs by p
       2024-05-12T10:01:59.153321Z
       
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       @Suiseiseki > An error-checking implementation should reject that input for not being valid UTF-8. A hash function operates on strings of bytes.  There is no need to turn it into Unicode.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoNjuzifJgkmeybQ0 by romin@shitposter.world
       2024-05-12T10:04:42.033857Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @sun you're giving them too much credit
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoNmXClZSNls2KJFI by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
       2024-05-12T10:05:00.265323Z
       
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       @p It's nothing to do with Unicode, it's how using entended-ASCII is almost guaranteed to cause problems when it comes to later password entry.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoOMxCUOhpCv3YyIq by p
       2024-05-12T10:11:45.732744Z
       
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       @Suiseiseki > using entended-ASCII is almost guaranteed to cause problemsIf it works in the places where you wish to use the password, it's fine.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoPPfs1O2uHzfqn2m by istvan@noauthority.social
       2024-05-12T10:23:26Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki If there is a problem, it would be different browser and OS environments possibly passing shit as UTF16-LE or UTF16-BE when you expect UTF-8.So while you typed the same chars the bytes are different.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoQsDsqcTJBXxPika by white_male@poa.st
       2024-05-12T10:39:48.654786Z
       
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       @istvan @p @Suiseiseki Isn't the lower byte of 16bit chars always backwards compatible with UTF8?
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoTREwyqTewtmAjSq by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
       2024-05-12T11:08:22.871593Z
       
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       @white_male No, as the lowest byte on UTF-16 may be larger than 128 and it may even be the NULL char (which truncates C character arrays) and UTF-16 characters may 4 bytes wide.Aside from a few exceptions like the byte order mark, all valid UTF-16 character sequences map with a UTF-8 codepoint, but you'll need to use something like GNU iconv to convert it.Still, UTF-16 is a useless encoding, as it leads to a lager filesize than UTF-8 almost always (even for books in Chinese characters, as typically there is much more ASCII formatting than text in book formats as ASCII characters double in size when encoded as UTF-16), it's still multi-width (2 or 4 bytes wide), is not self-synchronizing and has big endian and little endian variants.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhoUCzRpmn7UidNAVU by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-12T11:17:05.460700Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @romin @sun A password is not a byte string; it's text.If I want my password to be "scheißdreck" then I'm not going to be thinking about how the "ß" is encoded and consider the resulting string of bytes to be part of my password. I'm only going to be thinking of the character "ß" as being part of my password. The same goes for all other letters.If in 200 years we all use 10-bit bytes and the standard encoding is "UTF-10" which is a superset of "ASCII-10" which is not backwards compatible with "legacy ASCII" then I still want to be able to type in "scheißdreck" into the password prompt and have it be recognised as the password I set 200 years prior.Or to use a more realistic example:If I entered a password on some website 20 years ago and it was transferred to the server in ISO-8859-1 (Latin1), and I enter the same password now but it's transferred to the server in UTF-8, I still want that password to work.Hopefully, server-side code still uses the same character encoding on my password before passing it into the hash function, re-encoding it if needed.E.g., if it had passed the Latin1 bytes into the hash function back then, it would now have to either:- Disallow passwords that can't be represented by Latin1, and re-encode the UTF-8 it receives into Latin1 before using the hash function.- Add a flag to the database that allows differentiating between old and new passwords, so new passwords can use Unicode characters while old passwords still work by being re-encoded into Latin1 before hashing.The new passwords using Unicode will of course also need some consistent encoding. E.g. one could limit the permitted characters to the BMP and then use UTF-16, or one could normalize the Unicode (take care of surrogate pairs) and use UTF-8. Either way, it will be invisible to users; users enter characters into password prompts, not bytes.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhonpzaF77IBYvcJFo by p
       2024-05-12T14:57:08.140025Z
       
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       @taylan @Suiseiseki @romin @sun > A password is not a byte string; it's text.Says who?  It's a string of bytes that I use to identify myself.> If I want my password to be "scheißdreck" then I'm not going to be thinking about how the "ß" is encodedUser error.> If in 200 years we all use 10-bit bytes and the standard encoding is "UTF-10" which is a superset of "ASCII-10" which is not backwards compatible with "legacy ASCII" then I still want to be able to type in "scheißdreck" into the password prompt and have it be recognised as the password I set 200 years prior.And I want latency to be zero and bandwidth to be infinite, but I've learned not to want unrealistic things.> If I entered a password on some website 20 years ago and it was transferred to the server in ISO-8859-1 (Latin1), and I enter the same password now but it's transferred to the server in UTF-8, I still want that password to work.It's not transferred to the server in UTF-8.  The server may interpret it as UTF-8, but if the server interprets it as anything besides a sequence of bytes, it has fucked up about as badly as if it declined to hash the password.  If the server changes anything about how the bytes get into the hash function, the server has fucked up.  If you have introduced a client-side preprocessing step, you have fucked up.  If the password is treated as anything besides a series of bytes to hash, then you have fucked up.  Even if you do everything correctly, there does not exist a means of transferring data from one computer to another that you cannot fuck up:  don't fuck it up.So, a server, written by an idiot because it has tried to interpret the password as anything other than a series of bytes, changes the encoding that it uses to interpret that password.  Essentially, they have changed the hashing function.  It was never `bcrypt(20, bytes)`, it was `bcrypt(20, some_nondeterministic_stupid_function_that_reencodes_the_password('utf8', bytes))`, and then they change it to `bcrypt(20, some_other_fuckup(bytes))` and this is not any different from changing the `20` or changing the `bcrypt` or changing anything.  That is, it is a fuckup.  And if the earth moves beneath you, then you have built your system on something unstable and you have already fucked up.> E.g., if it had passed the Latin1 bytes into the hash function back then, it would now have to either:Oh, what if EBCDIC, what if the server expects the challenge-response to be conducted in Esperanto, what if you just accept the transient nature of data stored on disks that you do not own?brb, I am decoding all of the PEM files on my disk to extract the raw bytes, and then ensuring that those raw bytes are all valid UTF-8, and re-encoding them if they aren't.  sshd and TLS and PGP and everything else that thinks they can just use bytes, because that is an unambiguous means of representing data?  They're wrong!  WHAT IF sshd STARTS USING STRING-PROCESSING LIBRARIES TO DECODE THE KEYS
       
 (DIR) Post #AhooSAVovhBWSekhU0 by istvan@noauthority.social
       2024-05-12T15:04:01Z
       
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       @Suiseiseki @white_male Yep.Using characters in your passwords that might turn into mojibake is going to ensure at some point you have a bad fucking time.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahp1M4aBMUYpjmDSee by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-12T17:28:29.649637Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @romin @sun > Says who?  It's a string of bytes that I use to identify myself.How do you enter those bytes? By typing in a series of numbers? Or hex codes?Oh, you enter them by typing in characters? Then who decides how those characters are converted to actual bytes that your password is apparently made of?Do you, every time you decide on a password, try to figure out what character encoding the system uses, to make sure you know what your "real" password is in terms of bytes, and memorize that byte sequence? Don't claim that you do, because I know you don't.> It's not transferred to the server in UTF-8.Yes it absolutely is. At least if the website uses UTF-8. If it doesn't, then the characters are transferred in some other encoding.What else would the password be transferred as? You entered *characters* into a password field, but computers can't transfer characters over a wire; they can only transfer bytes, which represent the characters in a specific encoding.See what URL your browser tries to fetch when you enter "äöü" into the password field here and submit the form:https://tkammer.de/test-l1.html(You'll get a 404 but that doesn't matter; just see what URL your browser tries to GET.)Then test the same here:https://tkammer.de/test-u8.htmlAs you see, the value your browser uses for the password in the constructed URL query is dependent on the encoding of the web page. There isn't some magical universal encoding of characters into bytes that is magically always understood. There's a ton of different standards and the browser necessarily has to choose one or another. And the server better know what encoding it's receiving the text in, otherwise you'll be in a lot of pain down the road.Actually, the <form> HTML element even supports an attribute called accept-charset which can tell your browser that it can use a different encoding to send the data, than the encoding the web page itself uses. This way, you can for instance make the page using ISO-8859-1 send the form data in UTF-8 anyway when submitting the form.> if the server interprets it as anything besides a sequence of bytes, it has fucked up about as badly as if it declined to hash the passwordSo if I'm implementing a server-side application that receives data from some legacy web pages that I know to be using ISO-8859-1, and I receive a login attempt with a password such as %E4%F6%FC (URL encoded), I should try to use those three bytes as the password, even though I know that the rest of the website has since been modernized and the password hashes in the database come from passwords encoded as UTF-8?That would simply make my application fail and erroneously tell users that they entered an incorrect password when they use those legacy pages, because users entering text on a page using Latin1 have *literally no way* of entering a UTF-8 byte sequence into a password prompt, nor should they be expected to because that would be idiotic. They just enter their password, as text, not as bytes.Conversely, if I'm creating a modern front-end for an old system where password hashes were generated from the Latin1 encoding of passwords because that was the standard at the time, what am I supposed to do now? Use Latin1 for the entire website forever? Or maybe tell all the users who had used umlauts in their passwords to go fuck themselves? Because again, they have *literally no way* of entering a Latin1 byte sequence into a password prompt on a modern web page using UTF-8.Obviously, I should be conscious of what character encoding was used for passwords when they were initially hashed, and I should make sure that whatever encoding I receive those passwords in now, I make sure they're re-encoded into the correct encoding if necessary, before being passed into the hash function, so users are actually able to log in. Otherwise the website is simply broken and lies to its users about them entering incorrect passwords.> PEM filesA PEM file contains base64-encoded binary data. It has nothing to do with passwords and absolutely no relevance to the current discussion. SSH keys are not passwords. You don't enter an SSH key into a prompt by typing characters with your keyboard, do you? I hope you don't.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhpLvU7yNNZUBNBVBY by ignaloidas@not.acu.lt
       2024-05-12T21:19:04.338Z
       
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       @sun@shitposter.world tbh I'd think it's mostly that the users don't accidentally make passwords that aren't possible to enter on every device - if you use letters with accents for examples, there can be multiple ways to represent that, and it won't hash to the same thing.Honestly, a fairly reasonable restriction IMO.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhpMCJ48kzEonWPfW4 by sun@shitposter.world
       2024-05-12T21:22:07.139444Z
       
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       @ignaloidas oh that is true I forgot that for example there are characters with the accent embedded and there are multibyte characters that are a base character, join character, and accent character.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhqQp9vLH33yiH2VhQ by p
       2024-05-13T09:48:41.521260Z
       
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       @taylan @Suiseiseki @romin @sun > How do you enter those bytes?It's definitely not by piping them through iconv.> Then who decides how those characters are converted to actual bytes that your password is apparently made of?The client runs on my machine, so I do.> Do you, every time you decide on a password, try to figure out what character encoding the system uses, to make sure you know what your "real" password is in terms of bytes, and memorize that byte sequence?The system had better not try to guess at the character encoding.  In this case, its job is to relay bytes across the network, and base-64, URI-encoding, etc., have been devised so that the bytes can be relayed unambiguously.In other cases, see stty(1).  (Even Plan 9 has a means to put the keyboard into raw mode and turn off echo.)  The password is not text:  trying to interpret it as text will create pain and misery on the earth.  "Oh, what if UTF-10?", a concern that will probably not ever happen, especially relative to the likelihood of "Oh, what if we need a PBKF and we care that the old sigs can be validated?"> Don't claim that you do, because I know you don't.No, I do not do the strawman activity.  This is kind of an asshole thing, but if I look at my previous response, maybe I was being too combative (and thus eliciting an asshole response), so lemme assume the cause is on my end and try to tone it down a bit so there is less ridiculous shit in this thread.> Yes it absolutely is. At least if the website uses UTF-8.Not even remotely.  The *document* encoding does not affect form input.  It affects—if the browser cooperates with you and you are comfortable accepting a password but for some reason you do not treat client-supplied data as hostile—the characters that can be inserted into the <input>.  (Browser bugs and malice will make very short work of any assumptions you make about the HTML's effect on the data that gets to the server.)You can demonstrate that this affects how the page treats input rather than what values can be represented by manually setting the values in the form:  `dd if=/dev/urandom bs=64 count=1 | tee /tmp/x | xclip` to shove 64 bytes of shit into the clipboard and /tmp/x, then evaluate some JavaScript:  `str=atob("P3Jh7pHkMzIgvAgkH99e1be3Ky+hygYRK3SIR2p3LQcI89DW6KgqK+juFpikIFli5CUHz6TDljc90SfPppMV4A=="); elts=document.forms[0].elements; for(var i in elts){elts[i].value = str}`.So a browser bug around text encoding (which obviously *never* happens), a user in a weird environment (another application sets a weird Windows registry key, they've intentionally fiddled with their LC_ALL value to get something they need to run, or OSX notices a Big-5 id3 tag and decides to set the system locale) where the encoding causes an unexpected interaction, a bad interaction with the OS-supplied GUI toolkit.  What APIs does the user's password manager use?  Are Firefox and Chrome and 1Password and the user's corporate-mandated password tool and whatever else all going to play the same way?> What else would the password be transferred as?An opaque bytestring.  Anything else and RFC 6943 will come get you in your sleep.> You entered *characters* into a password fieldNot in the example above:  I dumped "?ra\xEE\x91\xE432 \xBC\b$\xFD\xFF^\xD5\xB7\xB7+/\xA1\xCA\x06\x11+t\x88Gjw-\a\b\xF3\xD0\xD6\xE8\xA8*+\xE8\xEE\x16\x98\xA4 Yb\xE4%\a\xCF\xA4\xC3\x967=\xD1'\xCF\xA6\x93\x15\xE0" into the form and the browser encoded this to "爿㈳밠␈�핞랷⼫쪡ᄆ琫䞈睪ܭ훐꣨⬪頖₤扙◤켇쎤㞖턽켧鎦" and the astute reader will notice that this is a series of big-endian (it's always big-endian when it crosses the network) 16-bit values that decode directly into "?ra\xEE\x91\xE432 \xBC\b$\xFD\xFF^\xD5\xB7\xB7+/\xA1\xCA\x06\x11+t\x88Gjw-\a\b\xF3\xD0\xD6\xE8\xA8*+\xE8\xEE\x16\x98\xA4 Yb\xE4%\a\xCF\xA4\xC3\x967=\xD1'\xCF\xA6\x93\x15\xE0" and into nothing else.Insisting that I entered characters is kind of ridiculous to begin with.  If we're going down the pedantic route, I have yet to enter a character into a computer in my life.  I mashed some keys and they went up through the USB system where the kernel turned them into HID events up in /dev/input somewhere, and X interpreted those events as keyboard scancodes, and translated the keycodes to keysyms by means of its internal translation table.  Some of those keysyms represent characters, some do not, and the client application gets "F11" and has to decide what to do with that keysym.  The terminal translates it into the sequence of bytes that the VT-100 used to represent the user pressing F11 (1b 5b 32 33 7e), or maybe the WM intercepts it (in which case it decides what to do with the keysym directly) or maybe the X client application consults the UIM.  If I hit "a" instead, XLookupString says that this keysym represents the string "a" so the client usually just shoves that wherever.So, I went to IWP9, and BLS has produced something called Θfs, very entertaining talk, very interesting, but in Θfs, a lot of the interface files are named with "Θ" in them, and since the terminal attached to his machine is (as one would expect from an avid VCF participant) a VT-220, he's inconvenienced himself:  the VT-220 predates UTF-8.  He can't type "Θ" and can't view "Θ".  (Of course, it all still works and you can get around the problem,  but it is still a pain.)So you want to introduce these hypotheticals, "What if we all stop using UTF-8?", and what if we do?  That is a question about breaking the API.  (That is, fucking up.)  If you change the behavior of the server in such a way that the same string of bytes produces a different result, you have broken the API.  If you start trying to transcode passwords, you have introduced a breaking change:  you have fucked up.  (If someone else does it, they have fucked up, but you can't stop other people from fucking up.  I can try to not fuck up, you can try not to fuck up, but we're going to have to interact with systems that people have fucked up.  I say this because I'd like to head off that hypothetical because there is nothing to say if the conversation arrives at "What if the client is fucked up and the server is fucked up and character encodings change and bombs fall and we all die?")> There isn't some magical universal encoding of characters into bytes that is magically always understood.Nobody said there was:  I said you are creating pain if you try to interpret it as anything besides an opaque string of bytes.  If you make assumptions about what a client can send (fuck testing, fuck APIs, fuck treating client-supplied data as hostile) then you are creating pain for yourself *and* the world.  I strongly advise against creating unnecessary suffering.> And the server better know what encoding it's receiving the text in, otherwise you'll be in a lot of pain down the road.No server has ever known this.  The server can have expectations about this and it can say "No" if the expectations do not hold.As I said with the > So if I'm implementing a server-side application that receives data from some legacy web pages that I know to be using ISO-8859-1, and I receive a login attempt with a password such as %E4%F6%FC (URL encoded), I should try to use those three bytes as the password, even though I know that the rest of the website has since been modernized and the password hashes in the database come from passwords encoded as UTF-8?This is exactly my point:  your hash function—every single hash function available to you—operates on strings of bytes.  You receive "%E4%F6%FC" and you want to do what with it?  You want to transcode them?  You want to say, "Well, I *know*—whether or not that concern holds up and is appropriate to reify in one region or another of the codebase—that the passwords in the database are bytestreams that conform to this format.  I have one that doesn't, because this mess of a codebase has multiple password forms and many different paths to get here.  This isn't absurd coupling of the frontend and the backend.  It's way less stupid to do this than to fix the frontend so that it agrees with the backend on how to transfer these strings of bytes or, god help us, stick to the reasonable security practice of having one very easily recognizable login path, to say nothing of avoiding breaking changes.  This is a bug I will fix by putting in a transcoder here instead of determining that the bug is on the frontend and fixing it there.  I'm going to use heuristics.  That's never caused a problem."If you receive that string of bytes, take that string of bytes, put it into your hash function, and see what comes out, and if it matches, great.  > That would simply make my application fail and erroneously tell users that they entered an incorrect password when they use those legacy pages,I am unable to imagine a scenario in which you would have multiple password forms with different encodings and expect the same results out of them, and then subsequently to have different paths for hashing them.> users entering text on a page using Latin1 have *literally no way* of entering a UTF-8 byte sequenceYou totally *can* do that, but if the users are dinguses, you shouldn't expect that out of them.  On the other hand, the users have very good reason to expect you to not produce broken code.  The hypothetical is absurd:  if that code existed, then you fix it instead of duct-taping it.  I could not comprehend producing that sort of thing, and I would say really uncalled-for things to the developers if I saw that kind of thing, but I will nto see that kind of thing because it is absurd.  (Though with the usual caveats about the ingenuity of idiots.)On the other hand, the underlying assumption that you create the same kind of interface with the same rules for a layman and an expert is a terrible assumption.  People constantly make this assumption.  You are making this assumption:  I say "The machine should not say jack shit about all the weird things I put into a password prompt" and in response to a clarification, I said "Oh, is this webshit?  Nevermind." but most of your objections in this case are about people that don't understand their computers typing things into a web form.  How I talk to the computer and how a boomer talks to the computer are very different, and obviously I'll talk about either but we can't keep changing gears mid-paragraph.> They just enter their password, as text, not as bytes.A password is not text.  A GIF is not text.  A pubkey is not text.A user types a paragraph of actual text, and if you run it through a markdown processor or you index it or you spell-correct it, that's fine.  You do that sort of thing to a password, and you have created problems:  you've significantly cut entropy if you make the passwords case-insensitive, for example.  (We were just discussing crypt()'s silent truncation past eight bytes earlier.)  Passwords aren't mean to be read aloud, they don't have have a reasonable pronunciation.  Passwords have—*have*!—to be unambiguous.  You cannot get this by making assumptions about them, and it has always been a mistake to reduce the space they can use by forbidding some characters.> A PEM file contains base64-encoded binary data. It has nothing to do with passwords and absolutely no relevance to the current discussion. SSH keys are not passwords.It is exactly the same class of object.  Although the server cannot expect good faith from a client, a well-behaved client does not construct URLs (except when given explicit instructions from the server on properly constructing one in the form of a <form> tag that uses GET, and even then, the client only constructs the query string).  Despite being mandated to be ASCII (stupid browser presentation issues aside), URLs are to be treated as opaque strings.  (Almost nobody does it this way and Dr. Fielding will eventually kill us all, but we can forestall this, or possibly even receive his mercy, by trying to not fuck it up.  Otherwise, we have to assume that he will dispatch us after some Stallone-like one-liner about "eternal REST".)I do not know where you draw your distinctions.  Some types of data must be treated as opaque by the server in all cases, some types need not be, and some types vary by case (a backup server should not touch the metadata in your JPEGs or even try to figure out that they are JPEGs, but a photo processing system probably ought to; for example, I forget which software had this problem, but some time in the last ten or fifteen years, failure to crop a thumbnail embedded in the EXIF data after cropping the photograph has created embarrassment).  Passwords are in the class of data that is always to be treated as opaque, fed to the hash function as-is, and scrubbed from RAM at the earliest possible moment.> You don't enter an SSH key into a prompt by typing characters with your keyboard, do you? I hope you don't.I have had to enter them by hand before.  (I wouldn't make a practice of it if I could avoid doing so, but if it were actually impossible to do, this would be a serious problem.)  At least anecdotally, the scenarios where you might have to do this are far more common than the ones in which you have decided to apply arbitrary text-manipulation functions to a password.I don't think "the user has to type it" is the right place to make the distinction about how a certain class of data should be handled.  The entry method is a UI implementation detail:  a password or a pubkey or a GIF are classes of entity that a system deals with, and how they get into the system does not change what type of entity you are dealing with.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhrLF8yuzkFmkjgBZQ by gentoobro@gleasonator.com
       2024-05-13T20:20:50.906687Z
       
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       @sun no spacesum...um.......Are they shoving the password unescaped into a sql query?
       
 (DIR) Post #AhrLxP6aPOp9V8N3U8 by vonzeppelin@poa.st
       2024-05-13T20:28:51.879570Z
       
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       @gentoobro @sun > Are they shoving the password unescaped into a sql query?no need to sanitize inputs, just raw dog that database wcgw
       
 (DIR) Post #AhrM1H2eKYHLeQNIfY by sun@shitposter.world
       2024-05-13T20:29:33.311268Z
       
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       @gentoobro we discussed it the other day, it's probably just preventing copy-paste errors
       
 (DIR) Post #AhrQs02efLoe5im4ki by feld@bikeshed.party
       2024-05-13T21:23:22.783601Z
       
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       @romin @Suiseiseki @sun in which situation would your spacebar ever produce one of those Unicode space characters instead of 0x20 ??
       
 (DIR) Post #AhrRM0z7ixlThgR27U by romin@shitposter.world
       2024-05-13T21:29:20.020093Z
       
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       @feld @Suiseiseki @sun maybe some kana input method I'm unaware of, bip39 japanese passphrases use `U+3000 IDEOGRAPHIC SPACE` for some reason https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039/bip-0039-wordlists.md#japanese
       
 (DIR) Post #AhrS3VdPe1uNDM1HDU by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-13T21:36:58.704202Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @romin @sun I'm going to focus on passwords on the web because I don't know / haven't thought enough about Unix passwords.> The system had better not try to guess at the character encoding.  In this case, its job is to relay bytes across the network, and base-64, URI-encoding, etc., have been devised so that the bytes can be relayed unambiguously.The bytes in question that are relayed across the network are, however, the bytes resulting from the encoding of a password (piece of text) with a certain charset.> The *document* encoding does not affect form input.It does. See § 4.10.21.5 of the HTML5 standard:https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#selecting-a-form-submission-encoding> It affects—[snip]—the characters that can be inserted into the <input>.I'm not so sure about that. From a quick look, I haven't been able to find out whether the HTML5 standard specifies how a user agent should behave when a user tries to insert a character into a field that can't be represented by the chosen charset, and (if the user is allowed to do that) how the user agent should attempt to transmit that character.Either way, this is irrelevant. Let me address the part I snipped out:> --if the browser cooperates with you and you are comfortable accepting a password but for some reason you do not treat client-supplied data as hostile--> (Browser bugs and malice will make very short work of any assumptions you make about the HTML's effect on the data that gets to the server.)Expecting data in a certain charset doesn't mean blindly trusting it. If you expect data in a charset, and get data that's invalid by that charset, you should obviously raise an error or otherwise cleanly handle the situation.> You can demonstrate that this affects how the page treats input rather than what values can be represented by manually setting the values in the form:  `dd if=/dev/urandom bs=64 count=1 | tee /tmp/x | xclip` to shove 64 bytes of shit into the clipboard and /tmp/x, then evaluate some JavaScript:  `str=atob("P3Jh7pHkMzIgvAgkH99e1be3Ky+hygYRK3SIR2p3LQcI89DW6KgqK+juFpikIFli5CUHz6TDljc90SfPppMV4A=="); elts=document.forms[0].elements; for(var i in elts){elts[i].value = str}`.Run this JS in the two different pages I've linked in my previous post, and observe that your browser will in fact send different data to the server. You *cannot* directly control what bytes your browser will send, because your browser treats the password field as text, not as a byte string. It applies the picked charset encoding to that text before transmitting it.By the way, I believe JS strings are UTF-16, which probably also affects the outcome. If the string of bytes you shoved into a JS string happened to contain a valid surrogate pair, then the input field would end up containing the Unicode character represented by that surrogate pair, and the browser would proceed to encode that as a different sequence of bytes when using UTF-8, than the original two-byte sequence you shoved into the JS string.> What if bugs?If due to some bug the server isn't sent the correct byte string representing the password of the user in the correct charset, then the server will either say wrong password or raise an error due to invalid bytes (illegal byte sequence according to charset). Once the bugs are fixed, things will work. Not sure how this is relevant at all.> RFC 6943Seems completely irrelevant.> > You entered *characters* into a password field>> Not in the example above:  I dumped "..." into the form and the browser encoded this to "..." and the astute reader will notice that this is a series of big-endian (it's always big-endian when it crosses the network) 16-bit values that decode directly into "..." and into nothing else.The browser did a best-effort thing based on bad input, and what it did still depended on the charset in effect. You were not, in fact, able to send a byte string of your choice to the server through this method; the browser decided what to send, based on the text input and the charset.I'm not going to respond to the rest because there's already been too many factual inaccuracies so far and responding to the rest would be a waste of my time. You're also beating around the bush way too much, bringing up lots of irrelevant things.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhrTYHKUyqW5mNPOJU by sun@shitposter.world
       2024-05-13T21:53:57.746223Z
       
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       @taylan @Suiseiseki @p @romin since the hashing isn't happening in the browser you basically just have to ensure that every step has proper character set encoding and make sure that the final encoding you choose (which is completely arbitrary) before you turn it into bytes is always the same.> If you expect data in a charset, and get data that's invalid by that charset, you should obviously raise an error or otherwise cleanly handle the situation.Literally almost never happens because for performance reasons every utf8 string copy or manipulation isn't tested for every unicode rule.the problem is that unicode can represent the same character in multiple ways and there's no guarantee that every time you will receive the same thing the person types as the same bytes.The more I think about it the more I realize it makes sense to exclude multibyte from passwords. It's more evidence in my quiver that 7-bit ASCII charset should be preferred for many technical uses (including things like programming languages) regardless of whiny demands about supporting every language on the planet. You should in many user-facing places but sometimes you just have to accept that supporting your language in other places because of multibyte that it causes more problems for everyone else on earth than it helps you.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahs5yUe7tABorpW4tE by p
       2024-05-14T05:04:29.773062Z
       
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       @taylan @Suiseiseki @romin @sun > I'm going to focus on passwords on the web because I don't know / haven't thought enough about Unix passwords.Well, Unix passwords, encrypted loopback and LUKS, gpg-agent, ssh-agent, mail servers, Postgres, there are a million places a password shows up, and that's before you even leave Unix Proper and wander into X11 or a different OS.  CRAM schemes solve this pretty cleanly (though unintentionally).> the bytes resulting from the encoding of a password (piece of text) with a certain charset.Not if I've read 64 bytes from /dev/urandom, as demonstrated.  That kind of thing is the ideal password (not a piece of text).  Text has a character encoding; a password is an opaque token.> It does. See § 4.10.21.5 of the HTML5 standard:Well, apparently it does; it's still apparently possible to shove random bytes in.> Run this JS in the two different pages I've linked in my previous post, and observe that your browser will in fact send different data to the server.I did.  Check your logs.  If you log referrers, you'll see that I did this from the UTF-8 page.  (There wasn't much point in attempting it from the other page, because I could just paste it without the bytes getting mangled.)> You *cannot* directly control what bytes your browser will send,I've got the source.  I can (and have) patched that source, and it is mostly gutting things I don't like but you can directly control literally anything the browser does.  You can tell it to stop rendering password prompts entirely and hook into a factotum instance on a Plan 9 box and only ask factotum for passwords forever and hang on form submission until you type a password into auth/fgui.  You can hook into the API for some internet grocery store and have it overnight a banana in lieu of a password.  You don't even need to hack the browser, you can turn off cert checks and MITM yourself and set up a proxy that does something completely stupid.> It applies the picked charset encoding to that text before transmitting it.Well, as demonstrated, it appears not to.> I believe JS strings are UTF-16,Yes, you are correct.  UTF-16 was all the rage back then; most browsers still store all of their strings as UTF-16 to reduce friction.  I think Java stores all of its strings as UTF-16, too.  (A digression about fun hacks:  I used this to recover a post from a core dump when the browser crashed last month:  https://bae.st/notice/AgX4F2vily9n3XauaO .  That's kind of a windy post about style, but the gist of it is that running strings(1) would have been useless because of the null bytes, but the punchline was more or less this line:  `tr -d '\0' < core | strings -n 1 | tr -d '\n' | tr ' ' '\n' | tee /tmp/x | grep -n Orwell`, followed by a manual inspection to get the line numbers, and then `sed -n '845720,$p;845972q' /tmp/x | fmt | xclip`.)> the input field would end up containing the Unicode character represented by that surrogate pair,The input field appeared to contain the correct byte sequence, intact.  How it is stored in memory isn't relevant as long as what is sent over the wire is the same as what is placed into the field.  Check your server logs.> Seems completely irrelevant.RFC 6943 is a long list of reasons why you do not want to introduce any fuzziness into authentication mechanisms and why you want them to be as simple as possible (and thus make it harder to botch replication).  Just read the abstract, you'll see what I mean.> what it did still depended on the charset in effect.The data in that string did not decode to valid UTF-8 bytes.  It was completely independent of the character set.> You were not, in fact, able to send a byte string of your choice to the server through this method; the browser decided what to send, based on the text input and the charset.I told it to convey the byte string, and it's obviously got to encode it as form data in order to do so, which is about as relevant as saying that it had to be broken into packets and turned into electrical impulses.  If we're at one level of the OSI model and we change to a different level, it is of course going to have a different representation.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahs6dTES3ETCM22x9M by p
       2024-05-14T05:11:54.119101Z
       
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       @sun @taylan @Suiseiseki @romin > 7-bit ASCII charset should be preferred for many technical usesPrintable subset 90% of the time.  But for the most part, for the sake of simplicity, you eliminate a lot of bugs if you just take the input and then don't do anything ridiculous to it.> supporting your language in other places because of multibyte that it causes more problems for everyone else on earth than it helps you.Ted Dziuba was funny before he started running for Congress and thought-leadering about managment techniques and whatnot:  http://widgetsandshit.com/teddziuba/2009/07/this-is-america-take-your-unic.html .
       
 (DIR) Post #AhsXbTRB0xz3ArGs9g by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-14T10:13:58.791159Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @romin @sun The original base64:P3Jh7pHkMzIgvAgkH99e1be3Ky+hygYRK3SIR2p3LQcI89DW6KgqK+juFpikIFli5CUHz6TDljc90SfPppMV4A==What your browser sent:%3Fra%C3%AE%C2%91%C3%A432+%C2%BC%08%24%C3%BD%C3%BF%5E%C3%95%C2%B7%C2%B7%2B%2F%C2%A1%C3%8A%06%11%2Bt%C2%88Gjw-a%08%C3%B3%C3%90%C3%96%C3%A8%C2%A8*%2B%C3%A8%C3%AE%16%C2%98%C2%A4+Yb%C3%A4%25a%C3%8F%C2%A4%C3%83%C2%967%3D%C3%91%27%C3%8F%C2%A6%C2%93%15%C3%A0Let's see...root@tkammer:~# echo $original_base64 | base64 -d | hexdump -C00000000  3f 72 61 ee 91 e4 33 32  20 bc 08 24 1f df 5e d5  |?ra...32 ..$..^.|00000010  b7 b7 2b 2f a1 ca 06 11  2b 74 88 47 6a 77 2d 07  |..+/....+t.Gjw-.|00000020  08 f3 d0 d6 e8 a8 2a 2b  e8 ee 16 98 a4 20 59 62  |......*+..... Yb|00000030  e4 25 07 cf a4 c3 96 37  3d d1 27 cf a6 93 15 e0  |.%.....7=.'.....|00000040root@tkammer:~# urldecode $sent_by_browser | hexdump -C00000000  3f 72 61 c3 ae c2 91 c3  a4 33 32 20 c2 bc 08 24  |?ra......32 ...$|00000010  c3 bd c3 bf 5e c3 95 c2  b7 c2 b7 2b 2f c2 a1 c3  |....^......+/...|00000020  8a 06 11 2b 74 c2 88 47  6a 77 2d 61 08 c3 b3 c3  |...+t..Gjw-a....|00000030  90 c3 96 c3 a8 c2 a8 2a  2b c3 a8 c3 ae 16 c2 98  |.......*+.......|00000040  c2 a4 20 59 62 c3 a4 25  61 c3 8f c2 a4 c3 83 c2  |.. Yb..%a.......|00000050  96 37 3d c3 91 27 c3 8f  c2 a6 c2 93 15 c3 a0 0a  |.7=..'..........|00000060It's not even the same length. Your browser sent a whole 96 bytes instead of the original 64. I suspect that it's coincidence that it's exactly 32 more. I'm too lazy to go through what exactly happened here, but the gist of it is: You tried to put an arbitrary byte sequence into a text field and expected the byte sequence to remain intact, which of course it didn't.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahsdz3aPNaHvfoDYbg by sun@shitposter.world
       2024-05-14T11:25:33.581213Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin for example even latin1 has a degree of risk because every 8-bit character that contains an accent can be constructed in unicode as an ascii character joined with an accent character which is of course perfectly valid, which is why the "just encode the phoneme" strictly speaking doesn't work.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahsgcac4ih2PJ3yYLo by p
       2024-05-14T11:55:07.416545Z
       
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       @taylan @Suiseiseki @romin @sun > It's not even the same length.Looks like you're correct.  (The browser was a mistake.)> I suspect that it's coincidence that it's exactly 32 more.If I attempt to interpret it as Latin-1 and reencode as UTF-8, I get yet a different result.  Hilarious.> text fieldYou keep saying "text, text, text" (without even explaining what you think "text" means; I think you're saying "encoded as plain text" but I am left to speculate), and then you italicize it, but you have yet to address the problems with persisting in calling it that.  A password is an opaque token.  A password is not "text" in any meaningful sense of the word:  it is not a string of words, it is not the machine-executable section of a binary, it cannot be subdivided nor added added to, it is not text.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhsknJL1ghgKjOMwKG by p
       2024-05-14T12:41:52.882273Z
       
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       @sun @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan Yeah, but not even Latin-1, just "these are 8-bit bytes".  If you're not indexing something or doing transformations to it, etc., then encoding is a display issue.> can be constructed in unicode as an ascii character joined with an accent characterThey are almost at "arbitrary line-drawing" levels.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhskqEKwjsAI5YivpY by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-14T12:42:18.939822Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @romin @sun You keep saying "text, text, text" (without even explaining what you think "text" meansText is a fairly abstract and ambiguous term indeed, but currently most of the world has decided that it can be digitally represented through Unicode characters, which is what I mean.I would say that a password, at least on the web, should be seen as a Unicode character array, hopefully normalized so that surrogates don't screw things up.Unicode characters (and thus arrays thereof) are still abstract entities, because there isn't just one bit-level representation for them. Right now they are essentially at-most-21-bit numbers, but no computer works with 21-bit bytes, so you have to pick a character encoding to actually serialize them.If one is serializing them for the purpose of hashing, then one must ensure that one always uses the same serialization, since there will otherwise be false negatives when verifying the hash.A database containing hashes of passwords should either have some accompanying documentation, or an actual database field, that specifies the character encoding one is supposed to use for the passwords before hashing.A sophisticated RDBMS may even provide built-in support for Unicode strings, and a pwd_hash() function that accepts a Unicode string argument rather than a byte string argument, and takes care of both the character encoding and hashing at once, to ease things for developers.By the way, this is the definition of urldecode I used, for GNU Bash. I don't like it, but it doesn't seem to have introduced any inaccuracy.urldecode() { s="${*//+/ }"; echo -e "${s//%/\\x}"; }And following is the explanation on why the byte array got so much longer, because I was curious.This is the actual definition of the atob() JS function:Takes the input data, in the form of a Unicode string containing base64-encoded binary data, decodes it, and returns a string consisting of characters in the range U+0000 to U+00FF, each representing a binary byte with values 0x00 to 0xFF respectively, corresponding to that binary data.https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/webappapis.html#dom-atob-devSo, first of all, all the bytes in the data ended up being represented by Unicode characters. After all, JavaScript strings aren't byte arrays; they're character arrays.(To be more precise, they're arrays of BMP code points. There may be surrogates, even isolated ones, but not any code points beyond U+FFFF. Any Unicode characters beyond U+FFFF need to be represented by a surrogate pair.)So, we didn't simply insert bytes into the password field with that JS snippet; we inserted a series of Unicode code points ranging from U+0000 to U+00FF. (I'm speaking abstractly here again; who knows how exactly these code points are represented in memory by Firefox.)HTTP is essentially based on ASCII. When the browser constructs the GET request, it needs a way of representing the Unicode code points within the form input. For code points that correspond to ASCII characters and are allowed as part of a URL path, it uses them verbatim. For others, it seems to follows the RFC 3986 recommendation of encoding them as UTF-8 first, before applying percent encoding.If I'm reading the RFC correctly, it would also be legitimate to encode them as UTF-16 before percent encoding, but Firefox doesn't seem to do that even if the form is specified to use UTF-16, which surprises me. It's not even consistent; while it produces a different URL if the form is set to UTF-16, it still seems to use UTF-8 somehow, judging by the first few bytes. This time I'm really too lazy to figure out what the heck it's doing. Maybe I would need to use POST and multipart/form-data if I want actual UTF-16 data (which would also mean using two bytes for each ASCII character, which of course it won't do in a URL). Anyhow.The first non-ASCII byte in the original data, 0xEE, stands for Latin Small Letter I with circumflex (î) in Unicode. If you encode that in UTF-8, you get the byte sequence 0xC3 0xAE, which is what your browser sent me in place of 0xEE. The same goes for the 0xE4 in your data that follows shortly after, which stands for Latin Small Letter A with diaeresis (ä) and gets encoded as 0xC3 0xA4 in UTF-8, which we also see in the result. This explains the lengthening, and it indeed seems to be coincidence that it increased the length by exactly 50%.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhszHtFg7mV2A4LKkq by p
       2024-05-14T15:24:16.678985Z
       
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       @taylan @Suiseiseki @romin @sun > I would say that a password, at least on the web, should be seen as a Unicode character array, hopefully normalized so that surrogates don't screw things up.Apparently there is a standard means of doing this; see RFC 7613 ("Preparation, Enforcement, and Comparison of Internationalized Strings Representing Usernames and Passwords").  4.2.2 deals with password normalization (and cites RFC 6943 a little below that, cautioning not to do anything past a certain narrow set of transformations, like turning all non-0x20 spaces into 0x20).> but no computer works with 21-bit bytes, so you have to pick a character encoding to actually serialize them.I don't know why you say things like this.  It's half-precise and the precise parts are wrong, and the imprecise parts are condescending.The word size on nearly every general-purpose computing device is 32 or 64 bits.  21 bits fit inside either just fine.  (Plan 9's libc uses 21-bit runes; the change is somewhat recent.  POSIX libc has wchar_t.)  Computers barely work with bytes (check the width of your memory bus and your registers):  bytes are a step up the abstraction ladder.  (x86 has some byte-level string-handling instructions but they're slow and only kept around for compatibility purposes, I don't think compilers from this century emit them.)UTF-8 is a convenient method for encoding text on the wire.  It doesn't have much to do with the hardware.> A database containing hashes of passwords should either have some accompanying documentation, or an actual database field, that specifies the character encoding one is supposed to use for the passwords before hashing.All of these years and all of these stupid encodings and UTF-8 won and now all we have to deal with are regular sequences of bytes and sequences of codepoints and you want to go back to the bad old days.  This is a terrible idea and until you volunteer to come to my house to fix the stupid "Shift-JIS interpreted as Windows CP-1252 by someone using Napster in the 90s" mojibake in my ID3 tags, I'm going to have to decline.  RFC 7613 should be more than sufficient for webshit.> A sophisticated RDBMS may even provide built-in support for Unicode strings, and a pwd_hash() function that accepts a Unicode string argument rather than a byte string argument,Zero hash functions work that way.  Your `pwd_hash()` would just be "Normalize this sequence of characters into a predictable sequence of bytes and then run the actual hash function, which operates on bytes".  Please show me the hash function that does not operate on a stream of bytes.> I don't like it, but it doesn't seem to have introduced any inaccuracy.> urldecode() { s="${*//+/ }"; echo -e "${s//%/\\x}"; }Well, it works.  You could do `echo %34+%35 | ruby -rcgi -pe '$_=CGI.unescape($_)'` or the equivalent in Perl or something.  I usually have irb open somewhere and can bash out something like CGI.unescape(`xclip -o`) or something like that, or I've got an equivalent in Limbo that I use in Inferno (but it's ~100 lines and I'm maybe only person on fedi that uses Limbo).  I don't think I do this very often or I would have probably have written a Plan 9 equivalent (or more likely tried to dig one out of the rc-httpd code) by now.> why the byte array got so much longer, because I was curious.Yeah, that's fun.> who knows how exactly these code points are represented in memory by Firefox.It's UTF-16.  (I wouldn't have been able to extract in-memory strings from the core dump otherwise.)> If I'm reading the RFC correctly, it would also be legitimate to encode them as UTF-16 before percent encoding,I'd be surprised if there is a server that accepts that or a browser that creates it.> it indeed seems to be coincidence that it increased the length by exactly 50%.Well, it's expected, right?  If /dev/urandom is random enough, any bit has an equal chance of being off or on, representation for 0x80-0xFF would be 2 bytes, so you'd expect it to be 50%.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhtbEmjNi20ZKJBOdM by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-14T22:29:18.663314Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @romin @sun RFC 7613Oh cool, didn't know that one. Let's see if it says anything about hashing.   In protocols that provide passwords as input to a cryptographic   algorithm such as a hash function, the client will need to perform   enforcement of the rules for the OpaqueString profile before applying   the algorithm, because the password is not available to the server in   plaintext form.Well this is a bit misleading. In the typical "registering on a website with a username and password" scenario, the password is often sent to the server in plaintext. And the server can really do whatever it wants with it (wrt. hashing) because it's invisible to the client, who will just send the plaintext password every time to authenticate. In this primitive method, there's no need for an RFC or other such standard to specify how the server is to do its hashing, because it's a purely local matter and not part of the network communication.The RFC seems to be referring to protocols like SCRAM, where the client and server may both use hashing, in which case it's important that they agree on the encoding of the password so they don't get false negatives during authentication. Maybe it's obvious to readers of the RFC that this is what was meant, so my previous paragraph may have just been pedantry but anyway.4.2.1.  Preparation   An entity that prepares a string according to this profile MUST   ensure that the string consists only of Unicode code points that   conform to the FreeformClass base string class defined in [RFC7564].   In addition, the entity MUST encode the string as UTF-8 [RFC3629].As expected, it specifies the character encoding that should be used in this case.no computer works with 21-bit bytes, so you have to pick a character encoding to actually serialize themI don't know why you say things like this.  It's half-precise and the precise parts are wrong, and the imprecise parts are condescending.Mate, that sounds like projection.The word size on nearly every general-purpose computing device is 32 or 64 bits.  21 bits fit inside either just fine.What's your point? Choosing to use e.g. int[] to represent an array of Unicode code points (if that's what you meant) is still "picking a character encoding to actually serialize them." If int happens to be 32 bits (or you specifically go with uint32_t[]) then I think that literally gives you the encoding called UTF-32. Maybe "serialize" was the wrong word for what I mean. My point is that you have to make a choice on how to represent a series of at-most-21-bit non-negative integers in digital memory that is addressed in 8-bit units.All of these years and all of these stupid encodings and UTF-8 won and now all we have to deal with are regular sequences of bytes and sequences of codepoints and you want to go back to the bad old days.What are you talking about? It feels like you're scrambling to find anything in my post to object to just so you can argue. I simply said that whatever encoding was used on Unicode passwords before hashing them, it better be documented. Do you prefer to work with undocumented assumptions in software? The "documentation" in question could be something as simple as "this database follows RFC 7613 when storing password hashes."A sophisticated RDBMS may even provide built-in support for Unicode strings, and a pwd_hash() function that accepts a Unicode string argument rather than a byte string argument,Zero hash functions work that way.OK, and? I was simply describing an API that an RDBMS could offer to make the lives of programmers a little easier. You seem like an experienced programmer, and yet you've demonstrated confusion on this matter, starting out by claiming that no processing should be done on a password at all before hashing it, before you discovered RFC 7613. So, it sounds like it would indeed be a good idea for there to be APIs like pwd_hash() that accept a Unicode string and take care of the details.Your pwd_hash() would just be "Normalize this sequence of characters into a predictable sequence of bytes and then run the actual hash function, which operates on bytes".Congratulations, you correctly understood what I explained and explained it back to me in different words.Please show me the hash function that does not operate on a stream of bytes.Thanks for admitting that hash functions, like most functions dealing with binary data, operate on bytes, not 32 or 64 bit words, which is exactly why you have to choose a character encoding, which was my whole freaking point above, that you somehow tried to argue against, even though you're now confirming it yourself. :blobcatsmug: I tire of this discussion... But I'm really curious just what it is that makes you behave the way you do. The huge walls of text, and all. Do you have a diagnosis?
       
 (DIR) Post #AhvCeUlR1UUeavE4YK by p
       2024-05-15T17:03:27.053828Z
       
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       @taylan @Suiseiseki @romin @sun > because it's invisible to the client,They do cite RFC 6943 in RFC 7613 because RFC 6943 is ignored only at your own peril.> it specifies the character encoding that should be usedAnd a surprising amount of normalization to prevent issues with identical-*looking* tokens.> Mate, that sounds like projection."No computer works with 21-bit bytes" is not even wrong.> What's your point?The machine's word size has nothing to do with UTF-8 or wire encoding.  The network does not operate on bytes, either.  I'm not even sure what you would have to believe in order to produce that sentence.> If int happens to be 32 bits (or you specifically go with uint32_t[]) then I think that literally gives you the encoding called UTF-32.The in-memory representation is not a wire encoding, confusing the two will cause you trouble, you've got to do the translation regardless.  (You probably have UTF-32LE, but only by coincidence and not portably:  hop machines and it might end up being UTF-32BE.)> you have to make a choice on how to represent a series of at-most-21-bit non-negative integers in digital memory that is addressed in 8-bit units.Yes; I'm not sure what the point of saying "the data has to sit in memory in some form" is, though.> It feels like you're scrambling to find anything in my post to object to just so you can argue.You've said a lot of things that seem wrong, irrelevant, or meaningless; I'm not sure we even have a clear topic of discussion.  Apparently my responses to things you say look irrelevant.  The implicit assumption if someone says something to you is that it's relevant, they're addressing you for some reason:  there's something you want to figure out or there's something you think I don't know or something you think I'm wrong about, so I read it like that.  It might be the case that we're talking past each other while endlessly clarifying ourselves, which would probably explain it.  (Any other explanation I can come up with for why a kid would try to tell me how bytes get across a network would make conversing with you pointless, and "We've misunderstood each other" still fits and is compatible with an assumption of good faith.)  Aside from that, as I keep noting, I lost interest when I found out the topic is just typing things into a web browser¹; maybe being halfway checked out has contributed to the miscommunication.  (Although I hadn't read RFC 7613 until this conversation, so I can't say that it's been a worthless conversation.)If I step back a second, the only points I have been attempting to make are (1) the machine had better not try to second-guess opaque tokens I send it (although there is apparently a well-defined, standard normalization process laid out in RFC 7613, and the reasoning made sense in the context of the web, so for the web and similar, that point's partially retracted; do the transcoding client-side); (2) even applying a normalization process (PRECIS specifies exactly where to stop, prudently, giving an exact list of the small number of transformations), the more you tack on, the worse the results will be and the more ambiguity you add to a process that already fucks up too often due to the depth of the stack; (3) the more you can pretend you don't know about an opaque token, the happier everyone will be, so take the string of bytes if you can (in the case of a password, it is an opaque stream of bytes:  you don't have a reason to process it beyond feeding it to the hash function, and the worst possible consequences of leaving encoding to the client is that you get a false negative and the system remains intact); and finally, (4) the hypothetical scenario where you expect the earth to move under your feet but the password still has to work 200 years later is a perfect illustration of exactly the worst way to go about solving a problem:  creating a bad solution now on the grounds that it might have a chance of being durable in circumstances that would render it completely irrelevant to begin with (the saying is "Don't program for nuclear war").If you have an objection to those points, then there is some substance to the dispute (contrary to expectations, which indicate this is pointless bickering).  I don't feel a strong need to convince you.  I don't think there's any room to object, but you're free to try and we can keep going indefinitely.  I'm not jazzed to continue the proceedings, it's a boring topic¹, but we're here.  At this point, if there isn't any agreement on the broader points, I'm inclined to just say, "Okay, do what you want, and let's revisit in 5-10 years."> I simply said that whatever encoding was used on Unicode passwords before hashing them, it better be documented.You said³ "an actual database field, that specifies the character encoding one is supposed to use for the passwords before hashing."  That's a really terrible idea, but no one is going to object to more documentation:  documentation is the reason the Big Rewrite always falls over, the reason high turnover screws an organization.  The documentation is always insufficient, outdated, and full of minute detail about irrelevant points while failing to mention important parts.⁴  Nobody is going to object to better documentation (until they have to do it).> Do you prefer to work with undocumented assumptions in software?I said exactly the opposite of that.  It is a long way from "never document anything" to "tack on a column to list the encoding that was used".  (Saying "It feels like you're scrambling to find anything in my post to object to just so you can argue." would be an asshole maneuver.)My point was adding an encoding column creates a problem.  A string of bytes comes in, they're valid UTF-8, but the client says they're Latin-1.  So is that [0xc3, 0xa1] in the middle of it a "á", or a "á"?  The only way out of that situation is prevention:  a database column isn't going to help.  You tell the client "Send UTF-8" or "Send 8-bit ASCII" (i.e., define a protocol) and then never change your mind (the point of a protocol is reliable behavior).  Once the client has sent their request, you want to second-guess as little as possible (you will guess wrong):  make sure it doesn't break your server (and this goes n² if you are passing it to another server).  It's better to kick back a request that broke the protocol than to try to fix it, because this will, 100% of the time, well before 200 years have passed, backfire spectacularly.> OK, and? I was simply describing an API that an RDBMS could offer to make the lives of programmers a little easier.You've got the password, the hash function is well-defined, don't send the password to the database if you can send the hash.> you've demonstrated confusion on this matter, starting out by claiming that no processing should be done on a password at all before hashing it, before you discovered RFC 7613.I read RFC 7613 (and one of the adjacent ones; it's part of a bundle of three or four), and it was sensible.  "What if in 200 years I am still typing the same password in UTF-8 but the database is UTF-10 and nobody planned a migration?" was not convincing, but "Identifiers that can vary in content without varying in apparent representation" was.  (We're talking edge-cases within edge-cases; it shouldn't surprise either of us if there are facets we haven't considered.)If I change my mind, and I cite a couple of the reasons, and I point you to the place they came from, I'd call it "learning" rather than "demonstrating confusion".  There wouldn't be much point in passing around specs/RFCs/links and reasoning with each other if changing your mind after reading someone else's thoughts is "demonstrating confusion".  There's no point in learning if you never change your mind, and no point in conversing if we're not exchanging ideas, some of which we expect to be novel concepts or considerations.  Why bother reading what you write if I don't expect you to have something to say that I haven't heard, why bother thinking and typing a response?  What are we supposed to do, just smash our heads together until one of us falls over?  (That can't be the plan, but if it *is* the plan, I'll retract my previous remarks about being willing to continue; it may be possible to do webshit with a concussion, but I can't work with a brain injury.⁵)> it would indeed be a good idea for there to be APIs like pwd_hash()There's my earlier objection to sending it down the wire twice.  Kick back bullshit ASAP (or "fail fast", whichever idiom you prefer) to minimize branches in the main logic (like guard clauses, but communicating with another machine is far beyond a lengthy if/else):  you want the happy path to be easier to read, you want error-handling clustered.  It prevents bugs and makes debugging easier.  Any security engineer will tell you not to let the password past its entry point:  a database compromise would have just exposed a million bcrypt()'d passwords, but now the attacker has replaced pwd_hash() with a stored procedure that upserts all of the username/password pairs into a table before the hashing.  (You know PostgreSQL lets you namespace objects?  Almost nobody uses this feature:  if you want isolation and granular permissions, usually you split across databases or write explicit GRANT for the tables.  But you can `CREATE SCHEMA whatever; SET search_path TO whatever, public; CREATE TABLE whatever.stealinurcreds (user text; pwhash character varying(255); );` and when the DBA does `\d`, he doesn't see new tables/triggers.  Not hidden but very unobtrusive:  https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/ddl-schemas.html .)Even if I were not a programmer, I have seen enough digial billboards that said "We&x2019;re committed to excellence!" to know that if you have an encoding problem with a piece of data, you don't e-encode the same data and send it out again.  Decoding form data is the webserver's jurisdiction; relaying it to the database and increasing the level of coupling for the dubious benefit of making the database handle a problem farther from the source is inviting calamity.  (Hope you've sanitized your query log.)> Congratulations, you correctly understood what I explained and explained it back to me in different words.Man, you're bitchy.  Your post was long, I wrote that as a criticism:  it seemed like it'd be obviously wrong to do that if spelled out, then you spelled it out.> Thanks for admitting that hash functions, like most functions dealing with binary data, operate on bytes, not 32 or 64 bit words, which is exactly why you have to choose a character encoding, which was my whole freaking point above, that you somehow tried to argue against, even though you're now confirming it yourself.Are we married or something?  If I've somehow acquired a contentious wife without noticing, I'd like to know why you haven't cooked breakfast even *once*.I have said was that hash functions operate on bytes at least once per post in this cursed thread:"your hash function—every single hash function available to you—operates on strings of bytes. [⋯] If you receive that string of bytes, take that string of bytes, put it into your hash function, and see what comes out, and if it matches, great." https://fsebugoutzone.org/notice/AhqQp9vLH33yiH2VhQ"If the server changes anything about how the bytes get into the hash function, the server has fucked up. [⋯] a series of bytes to hash [⋯] `bcrypt(20, bytes)`"  https://fsebugoutzone.org/notice/AhonpzaF77IBYvcJFo"A hash function operates on strings of bytes." https://fsebugoutzone.org/notice/AhoNUrL1ydll6HlQxs"It is a bytestring [⋯] hash functions don't care." https://fsebugoutzone.org/notice/AhoMYYNAKgVVU3xau8Once the user submits the password to you, don't touch it:  encoding the input is the client's job.If they've encoded it wrong, you hash the bytes and compare them against the database (and likely give them a 401; it is worth publishing if you find a collision between a string of bytes and the same string of bytes interpreted as encoding $x and transcoded to $y).  If they've encoded it correctly, you hash the bytes.  Ganto's axe.  Your "if" and "else" have identical bodies."But what if we serve them a page that gets us the password in the wrong encoding?  Shouldn't we apply heuristics and bgaugh" No.NO.No, you should not, unless there's a security audit going on and you have been conscripted by the Red Team to act as a double-agent, or if you are getting paid to carry out industrial espionage.  (Or both.  You could kill two birds with one stone:  introduce a subtle security flaw, and not only do you get some cash under the table, but also a commendation from your corporate overlords for your admirable performance.)If they send bad data, you have a client bug.  If it is webshit and you're serving them the frontend and the frontend is the cause of the bug, then you have an easy solution to a client bug:  you fix the client, you don't figure out how to get them authenticated anyway.  (If they are using IE6 through a proxy that handles TLS for them in order to talk to your server, then handle that case when it comes up.⁶)You not only have a client bug, but if they've sent malformed strings, you don't even actually have any assurance that it can be fixed by the time it gets decoded on your end.  If Mr. Bühler tries to send Latin-1, by all means, transcode away when you're populating the last_name field, keep bad data out of your database, but if he sends dff6f1e8727a36396c6f6c for his password, don't try to turn that into c39fc3b6c3b1c3a8727a36396c6f6c:  just hash dff6f1e8727a36396c6f6c and if he can't log in, fix the HTML you send him.--¹ The mechanics of the browser are fiddly bullshit.  Unless we are working on a project together and have a problem to solve or I am being paid (and even then, I stick to the backend), I can't think of a reason to discuss the finer points of browser bullshit:  the parts that make this profession interesting are few and far between.  You get an occasional granule of computer science or math or distributed systems or fun hacks, but it feels more like trying to do tech support for someone that can't hear you because they made these terrible decisions² in 1996 and now we all have to live with it.² Come to think of it, the web is a lot like working at a shitty company where the wrong people are making the decisions.  The decision was made elsewhere by someone that is unaccountable, and you don't have much of a shot at reversing it.³ The point at which people are arguing about who said what earlier in the thread is generally the point beyond which the thread cannot recover.⁴ There's a tendency when documenting to write down what you did, and this favors making explicit the parts that the code already made explicit while leaving out the implicit assumptions.  It makes me wonder if documentation should be written by the person doing the code review:  if the person reading the code actually reads it and can't write documentation after, then that's something to ask the author during the interactive part of the code review, and if code review is a rubber stamp, the documentation will end up worthless.  This seems like a process improvement that will backfire because the person that had the idea can't think of any problems, but I can't think of any problems adopting this at least for things like internal and external APIs.  "Is this seriously what it's supposed to do?" and "I can't figure out how you're supposed to use this" sure as hell beat the usual superficial "LGTM" and "Do you think there should be more tests for this?" or "I really would have named this differently".⁵ This is a joke.⁶ The form already gets decoded somewhere and the values handed over to you, so you just wrap it.  `password = fetch_form_data("password")` turns into `password = ie6botch(client_user_agent, fetch_form_data("password"))`, and `ie6botch(ua,pw)` starts is something like `if(!detect_ie6(ua)) return pw; return some_transformation(pw);`.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhvDc2fkb1fUqQxfGq by sun@shitposter.world
       2024-05-15T17:14:12.333612Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin This post would have beena 🧵: part ???/33if it happened on mastodon
       
 (DIR) Post #AhvGFtb3xTDcBltrt2 by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-15T17:43:44.949559Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @romin @sun > 16k character postBro I'm not reading all that, I have a life (kinda). I physically touched grass today while exercising under the sun and want to relax now. I'm working with a 5k char limit on my instance (could increase but w/e) which means you're responding with literally more than three times the length of my posts. It's unbearable.GIF related: When you disagree with @p on some minor thing...
       
 (DIR) Post #AhvumuOW0fyUNxKNGK by p
       2024-05-16T01:17:59.566131Z
       
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       @sun @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan I actually had to cut it down some to get into 16kB.asuka_on_rogan.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AhvxpRFT878aipzhVA by p
       2024-05-16T01:52:03.898362Z
       
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       @taylan @Suiseiseki @romin @sun > [Wants to argue about some shit that I have repeatedly said I don't care about]> [Thread continues for three days]> "MAN I TOUCHED GRASS I AIN'T EVEN GOT TIME"Okay.lincoln-internet.gif
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahvz9ck8Ce1a7MWd9s by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-16T02:06:47.859264Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @romin @sun > some shit that I have repeatedly said I don't care aboutYou wrote a 16kB essay because you were unable to admit you were wrong about something.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhwHLrohmcLLWBeVQ8 by p
       2024-05-16T05:30:49.266140Z
       
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       @taylan @Suiseiseki @romin @sun > [keeps sending messages about shit I don't care about]> "WHAT IF UTF-10 IN 200 YEARS"> "CHANGING YOUR MIND IS DEMONSTRATING CONFUSION"> "NOT CHANGING YOUR MIND IS ALSO BAD"> "YOU WROTE TOO MANY"> [Declares victory and retreats]For all I know, you actually did read it and have no clue how to reply.The problem is you are doing a stupid internet argument and I am not.  I'm fairly certain you've been away from Twitter long enough to be cured of this (or maybe it's terminal:  https://blog.freespeechextremist.com/blog/on-human-bots.html ), so I don't know, but there's going to be a mismatch while you're trying to "win" a fight that isn't happening and I'm just talking.thuglife.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #AhwrU1SJQWRG4xMmHY by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-16T12:15:35.743557Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @romin @sun > you are doing a stupid internet argument and I am notThe self-unaware irony award goes to Mr. P from FSE Bug-Out Zone dot Org this year.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahx3sO5S8PPgfW3h6O by p
       2024-05-16T14:34:32.363999Z
       
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       @taylan @Suiseiseki @romin @sun See the footnotes from my excellent lengthy post:> ³ The point at which people are arguing about who said what earlier in the thread is generally the point beyond which the thread cannot recover.I don't know what you are trying to accomplish, man.Now, here is where I was gonna just suggest you :dudesleep: take it easy :takeiteasy: and see if you were capable of chilling out, but I kept thinking your name seems familiar:> Blog - <a href="https://blogs.feministwiki.org/taylan/" rel="ugc">https://blogs.feministwiki.org/taylan/</a>Holy fucking shit, I remember you!  You're that wispy incel that decided women were doing feminism wrong and needed a man to show them how it's really done, the same one that shat his pants when someone asked about my DB backup script and I used pbzip2 instead of xz.  As I recall, you started doing exactly what you are doing now when I said that xz is newer and it's a mistake to use the newest possible format when you're archiving data, that I don't even have xz installed everywhere, etc.  Hey, how'd that turn out, by the way?  Any remote root vulnerabilities caused by bzip2 or pbzip2?If memory serves, every interaction I have ever had with you started with you jumping into a thread where you were not tagged to be needlessly madonline at me about something I was doing and you were just this tedious, wheedling dipshit every time.  I should have looked at your bio when you first hopped into the thread and I was wondering if you really were a belligerent idiot with a reading comprehension problem or if I had just been too harsh, since it would have saved me some time.  Holy shit, man.  No, no, I've changed my mind, I'll have an internet fight with you.  But have something to eat first, the manorexia is probably the cause of both your cognitive problems and also your constant foul mood.dudley_chunli.gif
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahx4ejdRK2MfOo0efI by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-16T14:43:10.069600Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @romin @sun > still salty because you were proven wrong about something
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahx55z6DvzxnBBSzWS by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-16T14:48:11.672443Z
       
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       @taylan @Suiseiseki @p @romin @sun There's a good point in all of this which is that relying on the latest trends for archivers can backfire. I have made similar mistakes in the past. Never believe the hype!also deathcore sux
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahx6zmqql7ZhMcRqbo by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-16T15:09:24.597690Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @romin @sun Wow, he actually went out of his way to dig up an old argument we had (when I was using an entirely different fedi account) where he was sperging out just as hard as in this argument, all the while claiming he totally doesn't care at all.Is @p what happens when someone with autism grows up in an anti-social environment? It would be delightful to have a conversation with him if he wasn't so hyper-aggressive and unable to admit when he's wrong about something.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahx7b5tIvusl82Ny3k by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T15:16:01.152869Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @taylan @Suiseiseki @p @romin @sun This nigger sends his password as plaintext over the network and feels like lecturing me.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahx8jdtCVnkmqLyeA4 by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-16T15:28:54.472278Z
       
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       @0 @Suiseiseki @p @romin @sun The default web frontend of the fedi node you're using right now does the same. See attached screenshot, in which the password "test" that I entered in your instance's login form was sent verbatim to the web server.I suspect that you were just too stupid to understand that I was talking about sending passwords verbatim over an encrypted channel like TLS, instead of only sending a hashed value like it's the case in SCRAM. So you literally thought I was talking about sending passwords over an unencrypted channel, because you were unable to follow the discussion.Normally, I would not look down on someone for having made a stupid mistake like this, but the fact that you used a racial slur shows me that you're not only unintelligent but also a rude asshole, which is why I take great joy in exposing your idiocy like this.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahx8peXozNHYc3qL7g by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T15:29:50.369287Z
       
       5 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @taylan @Suiseiseki @p @romin @sun lol, stay mad nigger.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahx8pwgdXL1qsc6dMW by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-16T15:30:05.066730Z
       
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       @0 @Suiseiseki @p @romin @sun I just realized you're the admin of the fedi node you're posting from, which makes this even more hilarious.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahx8tU8tbal9Vg0nJY by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T15:30:33.675312Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @taylan @Suiseiseki @p @romin @sun How's that grass touching going?
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahx8ta0bnJhBhiBGEK by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-16T15:30:45.081378Z
       
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       @0 @Suiseiseki @p @romin @sun Slurs is all you're left with after being exposed as an idiot.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahx8w9XkeHgKUXuTSq by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T15:31:02.810036Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @taylan @Suiseiseki @p @romin @sun You get upset when I say nigger, so I keep saying it.  Shrimple as.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahx8y1CUddbPCCr8Qy by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T15:31:22.444758Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @taylan @Suiseiseki @p @romin @sun Niiiiiigga.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahx8ytzytrH39KQQ4G by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-16T15:31:42.771959Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @0 @Suiseiseki @p @romin @sun Great, moved around some plants today. Not much more since I already trained quite heavily yesterday.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahx90BzNUwKHEcl4Ea by MK2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com
       2024-05-16T15:31:53.088271Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @taylan @Suiseiseki @p @0 @romin @sun why do you think slurs as a bad thing?
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahx91F75Mq75DLrdlw by sun@shitposter.world
       2024-05-16T15:32:09.594918Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @taylan @Suiseiseki @p @0 @romin this thread's done time to put a fork in it
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahx934P49qdeZq95zE by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-16T15:32:28.083027Z
       
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       @0 @Suiseiseki @p @romin @sun I'm literally laughing out loudly at you right now. It was a real joy exposing a racist as being also an idiot.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahx97EFPV0DKGbc1ku by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T15:33:02.443051Z
       
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       @taylan @Suiseiseki @p @romin @sun Nigger you are retarded, I died laughing at Pete's posts, somehow you still pat yourself on the back.  No wonder you're dying alone.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahx9Gggz6ySh5p1K5o by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-16T15:34:53.939956Z
       
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       @0 @Suiseiseki @p @romin @sun I have a very sweet and also very attractive girlfriend who loves me. How's your incel life going?
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxB2M4pA8NV0dSrgm by p
       2024-05-16T15:54:46.562336Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @taylan @Suiseiseki @romin @sun :pinkwojak: I DIDN'T READ IT I DIDN'T READ IT I DIDN'T READ ITpompki-cycki-gif-gif.gif
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxBCmFogt0r5nZlVg by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T15:56:25.045628Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin @sun I have a very loving and very beautiful girlfriend, you just don't understand.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxBHwkj5JsN6KUy7E by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-16T15:57:33.715731Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @0 @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin @sun
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxBRGzxBJUgUw4I64 by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T15:59:02.938584Z
       
       2 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @ins0mniak @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin @sun
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxBVG7cNjO6wEYOps by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-16T15:59:54.517589Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @romin @sun You're full-on embarrassing yourself now. I mean you already were, but holy shit. :blobcat3c:
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxBjIKSyKbVq1FweG by p
       2024-05-16T16:02:32.179230Z
       
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       @taylan @amerika @Suiseiseki @romin @sun > Wow, he actually went out of his way to dig up an old argumentDon't flatter yourself, man, I remembered that argument, because it was kind of mystifying how someone could be that far up his own asshole.:supremegentleman: Hey, Pete, how do you do your backups?:terryhacker: Here's the script.:pinkwojak: HOW COULD YOU USE BZIP2:terryhacker: It's fine.:pinkwojak: NO IT ISN'T:terrywat: Dude, what are you doing on Spinster?
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxBo1ZqgO0JKZhrns by Monsignor_DickFace@poa.st
       2024-05-16T16:03:23.165490Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @taylan @amerika @Suiseiseki @romin @sun The emojis just made it perfect 👌
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxBrHyeAFrh3yrWV6 by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-16T16:03:54.167669Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @romin @sun Living rent-free in your head because I made fun of you for using outdated compression tools? :blobcat3c:
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxBzmMb4ZYxca74rI by p
       2024-05-16T16:05:30.928015Z
       
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       @0 @taylan @Suiseiseki @romin @sun You remember @socjuswiz?  This is that guy.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxCL9XO6iUDZkLu8O by p
       2024-05-16T16:09:22.691029Z
       
       5 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @taylan @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @sun > Normally, I would not look down on someone for having made a stupid mistake like this, but the fact that you used a racial slur shows me that you're not only unintelligent but also a rude asshole, which is why I take great joy in exposing your idiocy like this. What possesses a person to write this sort of thing on purpose?mai.gif
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxCZX5vJsWogsMZAO by p
       2024-05-16T16:11:58.625444Z
       
       3 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @0 @taylan @Suiseiseki @romin @sun > How's that grass touching going? Actually, he posted about howw it's going:this_guy_is_gonna_end_up_in_the_news.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxCekt1T8iwugoq2a by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T16:12:40.829081Z
       
       10 likes, 3 repeats
       
       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin @sun Asking Spinster for dating advice is like asking homeless men for stock tips.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxCrCYqOxIADfJclk by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-16T16:15:04.773533Z
       
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       @0 @Suiseiseki @p @romin @sun Stay mad, since it worked out very well. :blobcat3c:
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxCs44ZRjA6BPZD4y by p
       2024-05-16T16:15:19.580185Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @taylan @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @sun > I'M EXPOOOOOOOOOOOOSINGpeach.gif
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxCv7i8NO6qKqWyUC by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T16:15:34.591614Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @taylan @Suiseiseki @p @romin @sun Lmao, best of luck on your divorce.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxCxQUbW7FrAIIgka by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-16T16:16:14.295513Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @0 @romin @sun > What possesses a person to write this sort of thing on purpose?
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxD0ORRbC3ZfmElN2 by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T16:16:37.060675Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @taylan @Suiseiseki @p @romin @sun We're like 30 seconds from "Don't talk to me or my wife's son again."
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxD524MCqiJjZeOMy by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T16:17:27.665401Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @Suiseiseki @p @romin @sun @taylan Is that why you're so touchy, you got a mulatto kid now?
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxDDDSfjaPjNnvT9s by p
       2024-05-16T16:19:08.934508Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @taylan @0 @Suiseiseki @romin > I'm literally laughing out loudly at you right now.:pinkwojak:redbikinibounce.gif
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxDGJD2otzq4w5hSK by p
       2024-05-16T16:19:42.471423Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @taylan @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @sun How often do you let her out of the basement?
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxDlBkuaCLtwEelyS by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-16T16:25:12.369323Z
       
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       @0 @Suiseiseki @p @romin @sun You would be seething even harder if I told you some details about her, but I'm not going to because my beautiful gf is not a prop to be used as an argument against weird incels on the Internet. :blobcatjoy: Basically, she's the kind of woman that you incels often fantasize about, and like to think you could attract if you just acted "manly" enough, when in fact sweet and smart women like he prefer someone who's sensitive and romantic who will love her genuinely and not objectify her.Stay mad and bitter forever. :happycat: The hotline is 988 btw if you ever need it. :blobcatheart:
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxI7KkgDP861kMaSO by p
       2024-05-16T17:14:06.654548Z
       
       3 likes, 2 repeats
       
       @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan :brandt:itistrue.gif
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxI9plPsuoimutrcm by p
       2024-05-16T17:14:33.766419Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @ins0mniak @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @sun @taylan Tiddies.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxIFs5CAwrXiZ1wNU by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T17:15:25.226852Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @taylan @Suiseiseki @p @romin @sun So, that's a yes on the half-black roastie leftovers.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxILBbr0FTLj7qASW by p
       2024-05-16T17:16:36.866907Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @taylan @Suiseiseki @romin Thought you didn't read any of it.animetiddy.gif
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxIdddVXUXXrXPdrc by nach@detroitriotcity.com
       2024-05-16T17:19:56.502293Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @MK2boogaloo @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin @sun he's probably a homo
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxIgUkj1aU3BB9PBg by p
       2024-05-16T17:20:27.930551Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @Monsignor_DickFace @taylan @amerika @Suiseiseki @romin Thank you, I think they make dramatic reenactments easier to follow.shitposters_only.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxJ6zGkBhk9LylA3s by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-16T17:25:05.071196Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @romin I'll gladly read your posts so long as you don't sperg out and write a 10k character post full of irrelevant bullshit just to distract people from the fact that you were wrong about a simple thing. :blobcatjoy: BTW thanks for posting me all this pleasant erotica but I'm dedicated to my gf these days. :blobcatfluffhappy:
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxK3rmVfbv3DTh4K0 by p
       2024-05-16T17:35:53.662314Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @taylan @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin > Living rent-free in your headIf it took me as long as it did to remember you, then you're stretching a bit.> outdated compression tools?Outdated?  If you can even follow the math far enough to describe the algorithms, I'll have a heart attack, you PHP monkey.  If I had remembered you, I would have ignored the impulse to temper my remarks; I thought, "Of course a PHP monkey doesn't understand that it's a dumb idea to send the password to the database.  Maybe this idiot isn't always an asshole, maybe he's usually just an idiot."
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxKZiMEF9PJFtaT3Y by p
       2024-05-16T17:41:39.005583Z
       
       3 likes, 2 repeats
       
       @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan The only worse idea would be paying for five different dating apps.1172488343830.gif
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxKhpTjeRHlepy45g by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-16T17:43:06.320214Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @romin Imagine having to put in effort to get a piece.SAD!
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxKkyVEYXLkVxAW00 by p
       2024-05-16T17:43:41.110244Z
       
       2 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @taylan @0 @Suiseiseki @romin Um, sweaty, all sex is rape.tumblr_mt6x2xAB2v1sr5h54o1_400.gif
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxKnaw6dH6QICzGNM by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T17:43:55.924831Z
       
       4 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin Always on topic.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxKskdO0EGboogpcm by IAMAL_PHARIUS@poa.st
       2024-05-16T17:45:04.668880Z
       
       5 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @0 @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin I can out run that
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxKwJWcjfAitqE3Ga by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T17:45:32.013255Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @IAMAL_PHARIUS @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin fucking lmao.  godspeed.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxLF84dXHCCsz6gAC by IAMAL_PHARIUS@poa.st
       2024-05-16T17:49:07.502846Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @0 @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin @sun Pearls of divine truth only for those ready to hear them
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxLIMIj5zIpsbEktM by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-16T17:49:37.228853Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @0 @romin I'm starting to think you're sending me all these because you think naked women are scary? Unlike you, I'm quite comfortable with them.Really telling on yourself by showing that you have all these saved btw. :smugcat:
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxLJSbt7l2Djij1CS by IAMAL_PHARIUS@poa.st
       2024-05-16T17:49:54.355631Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @0 @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin @sun Suckmycockitwillmakeyoufreebetter.jpeg
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxLMaVYDVEl6FFhFw by IAMAL_PHARIUS@poa.st
       2024-05-16T17:50:28.263670Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @0 @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin @sun I should try that one day
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxLT1Dbouxpg8vVBY by Doll@decayable.ink
       2024-05-16T17:51:37.420751Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       Everybody wants to 'free better.'
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxLWTtVf1dTU4AzCq by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T17:52:02.120607Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @taylan @Suiseiseki @p @romin > Really telling on yourself by showing that you have all these saved btw.dubh@gypsy:~$ du -sh Porn/98G     Porn/We get your roastie has convinced you that competition is a sin, but don't come here with that bullshit, lmfao.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxLYGCnWiQNbk2wXg by IAMAL_PHARIUS@poa.st
       2024-05-16T17:52:35.004047Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @Doll @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin @sun i wish i have a copy of the jpeg. Its a common emma poast
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxLZtBY5ORCn7Es7M by dcc@annihilation.social
       2024-05-16T17:52:52.814628Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @rominFind_gifs_how.gif
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxLoIVcjI6JNyV0t6 by dcc@annihilation.social
       2024-05-16T17:55:28.799625Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @taylan @Suiseiseki @p @0 @romin Sir you are a mega projectionist, did you work in a movie theater?44_women_pussy.mp4
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxMLxsTwVRbFEFElU by p
       2024-05-16T18:01:34.493776Z
       
       10 likes, 2 repeats
       
       @0 @taylan @Suiseiseki @romin Yeah, women get tired of guys that have a cuckolding fetish (especially if the pageantry requested is baroque, this guy seems like the type).  I don't know if they'll make it long enough to get married.You remember that security researcher five or ten years back that sat at this busy pedestrian intersection in Berlin in the middle of the day and sniffed bluetooth addresses, mapped them to manufacturers, and it was something like one buttplug MAC for every four people that walked by?  I remember thinking "What the fuck is going on in that country?"  I think it was on HN, I can't find it.tumblr_nggtstb0cV1qzhjh2o1_500.gif
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxMbXXzbf2EDQ5VwW by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T18:04:09.959645Z
       
       4 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin Now I'm comfortable with naked women, but gosh, I can't believe you saved that gif.  Tsk tsk, what a telling thing.  You're probably an incel!
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxMkGXKDmxC40w7Vo by p
       2024-05-16T18:05:58.023130Z
       
       3 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @taylan @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @sun :pinkwojak: NO U:pinkwojak: [posting "reaction gifs" that are old enough to vote]:pinkwojak: THAT WILL TEACH HIM763C98D2-F9A1-4130-9DEE-B90D34737F8E.gif
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxMnHy3MCRhN3sbdQ by p
       2024-05-16T18:06:30.803373Z
       
       0 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan :brandt:
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxN6eWxgzO8qpRQeG by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-16T18:09:55.369454Z
       
       0 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @Suiseiseki @0 @romin TL;DRyou rn
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxNXWnCZQHqfdqvGC by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-16T18:14:50.884403Z
       
       5 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @romin What's going on in that country?The Germans are.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxOG0ap8P8npvGysC by admin@detroitriotcity.com
       2024-05-16T18:22:53.973387Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @0 @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin Hell I’m the one who originally made that gif. :smug_loli2:
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxOjjyHUvz0yNQEoC by p
       2024-05-16T18:28:16.929031Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @taylan @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @sun > You would be seething even harder if I told you some details about her, but I'm not going to because my beautiful gf is not a prop to be used as an argumentThis is, roughly, "She's really real, she just lives in the other country.  She's busy with modeling school."  It's like trying to make your fingers look like a gun through your jacket, it'd be more effective without the bluff.> prefer someone who's sensitive and romantic who will love her genuinely and not objectify her.I'm changing my bet (assuming that she's is a real person):needs_feminism.jpe
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxOyXdncl3j4gtqKm by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-16T18:30:55.970239Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @romin @sun >"You would be seething even harder if I told you some details about her, but I'm not going to because my beautiful gf is not a prop to be used as an argument against weird incels on the Internet. Basically, she's the kind of woman that you incels often fantasize about, and like to think you could attract if you just acted "manly" enough, when in fact sweet and smart women like he prefer someone who's sensitive and romantic who will love her genuinely and not objectify her."Bullshit confirmed, no normal dude with a chick talks like that.%100 lie.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxP9dedbeWkuWaE9w by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T18:32:43.699102Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin @sun The Spinster rebound mulatto bit is too funny not to believe it.  Not only is she real, she checks his browser history.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxPNrCo1KKizcLSEK by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-16T18:35:30.503578Z
       
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       @0 @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin @sun That fucking post made me laugh so hard. "sweet and smart women like he prefer someone who's sensitive and romantic who will love her genuinely and not objectify her."This guy isn't real, he's an AI fedora.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxPjwmbxpPUf6csbY by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T18:39:18.875500Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin @sun If you were "sweet and sensitive" you'd know that the foundation of all successful relationships is absolute chastity bordering on physical repulsion.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxPpCNNPuvcTFKKX2 by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-16T18:40:27.868269Z
       
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       @0 @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin @sun Gotta carry m'lady across puddles too.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxQCvuuGOn8NDKNWK by dhfir@suya.place
       2024-05-16T18:44:44.459087Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @taylan @Suiseiseki @p @0 @romin @sun you're in a relationship???is she an adult?
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxQGvMQH0Z5o56LCa by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T18:45:14.959328Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @dhfir @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin @sun Stop bullying his half-black step son right now!  I won't tolerate this for a moment.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxQxuZh4Tg1oyo4Nk by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-16T18:53:09.272185Z
       
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       @dhfir @Suiseiseki @p @0 @romin @sun Of course. After all, she gave birth to you.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxRBsn6V2xwLLk0W0 by p
       2024-05-16T18:55:46.694287Z
       
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       @taylan @Suiseiseki @romin > write a 10k character postWhen someone is too dense to understand, I try to make things clearer for them.  Retarded children can be helped; PHP coders and Germans, maybe not, but one can always be hopeful.> you were wrongGo read the post.> pleasantTime for phase 2.retard_stamp.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxRNUY6SMmIdKGC5w by p
       2024-05-16T18:57:52.568382Z
       
       7 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @ins0mniak @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan Imagine paying money for more swiping or whatever they give you.  Imagine downloading that shit to begin with.womenoutsidethecave.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxROeqLfU9aqlLmWu by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-16T18:58:00.939744Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @romin >he's still posting
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxRWoi0s88tlRLGmu by dhfir@suya.place
       2024-05-16T18:59:32.938627Z
       
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       @taylan @Suiseiseki @p @0 @romin @sun you cannot possibly be mom's girlfriend.I have met the man before, and I am almost certain that he, unlike you, has had sex.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxRhQRRRBrJgaeKJM by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-16T19:01:28.127365Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @romin Paying for attention from women.....online.oof
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxRiaCicsraFmJaMK by p
       2024-05-16T19:01:41.280685Z
       
       3 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan Excellent topic.tumblr_ontmre3uGb1qa9knbo1_1280.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxRtCiMIh90aSB91s by p
       2024-05-16T19:03:36.450981Z
       
       3 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @IAMAL_PHARIUS @0 @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin She doesn't look too fast.8c1455ba332d2ce1.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxSZXjWXknzwDudmq by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-16T19:11:14.856854Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @romin Outstanding thread.10/10 content
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxT4VgkCDPcZbNX16 by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T19:16:38.455855Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxTOazwAHWQpevwHY by tinfoil-hat@social.tinfoil-hat.net
       2024-05-16T19:20:27.444525Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @romin @sun this are some alfagenes!
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxTr8wFZIHACmozGy by p
       2024-05-16T19:25:38.702898Z
       
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       @taylan @0 @Suiseiseki @romin > Unlike you, I'm quite comfortable with them.I haven't heard a guy past his teenage years talk like this.  But usually even pleasant images get "oh, no, these women are being exploited!!" from Spinster users.  Maybe we skip a few notches in the pleasant to unpleasant gradient.> Really telling on yourself by showing that you have all these saved btw."You must be scared of women!" followed immediately, in the same post, a contradictory sentence is a bit absurd.  You have to pay attention instead of just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.Like this would probably not stick to the wall, merely stain it:130614a_as013.gif
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxU1iTYIT6VJkRKcK by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-16T19:27:33.107471Z
       
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       @taylan @Suiseiseki @p @romin @sun A lot of us use older technologies because (a) they are everywhere (b) they work for the parameters involved and (c) newer unproven technologies do not offer significant advantages.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxU8G3iLdfrDBTQi8 by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-16T19:28:43.935139Z
       
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       @taylan @Suiseiseki @p @romin @sun IMHO -- and I try to be humble -- you two are misreading each other because your surface styles of communication are very different.@p is a mensch, but he is a bit exuberant in his opinions. You are a bit vivid in yours. It's like watching two sports cars collide (with trunks full of illegal rez fireworks!).
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxUJzDmm8hWSwmEqG by p
       2024-05-16T19:30:51.471068Z
       
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       @0 @taylan @Suiseiseki @romin See, I gotta get faster disks, `du` takes forever, especially if there was a recent scrape and it hasn't been cleaned up yet.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxULd7xtIeSWQq1vk by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-16T19:31:08.952363Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin PHP gets a bad rap, although I disagree with some choices they have made recently. It should uphold its Perl heritage instead of trying to be Ruby.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxURf3zbdhMGPr8fA by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T19:32:01.296114Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin (This is at all really accurate, it's a bunch of scrapes and whatnot, very bloated number.)
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxUa0HgaiqOObEsHg by p
       2024-05-16T19:33:45.154266Z
       
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       @dcc @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan Oh, this shit's all over the internet.tumblr_nhsjjlB8ZM1u7zyf8o1_250.gif
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxVxGhfoMTpvw3Gfg by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-16T19:49:09.350177Z
       
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       @taylan @Suiseiseki @p @romin What do you think of #darkpluralism?https://www.corrupt.org/boards/index.php/topic,14.0.htmlAlso this is kind of bigly yugehttps://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2321584121
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxXz1ogKbvYFYISae by p
       2024-05-16T20:11:53.413858Z
       
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       @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan It's telling!  Everyone is shocked!5580582f16000077083c24fe.gif
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxYKqFM1ob6jnAqrw by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T20:15:35.968166Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin Shocked and appalled, good sir.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxYMdIN9Txx9IRKU4 by p
       2024-05-16T20:16:09.371164Z
       
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       @taylan @0 @Suiseiseki @romin > TL;DRYou do this every time you can't come up with a response.Personally, I think we ought to just give East Germany back to Russia, and that solves half the problem.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxYzJIdQh1eQX0Ooq by p
       2024-05-16T20:23:08.774156Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan That's the problem with the place, man.   https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-experiment-that-placed-foster-children-with-pedophiles
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxZ3aJs5kTON6cd2O by p
       2024-05-16T20:23:55.121063Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @admin @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan It's a pretty great one.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxZBJdxyaA0y8hwMS by p
       2024-05-16T20:25:18.957228Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @sun @taylan > Bullshit confirmed, no normal dude with a chick talks like that.Another possibility:poppunk.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxZLTFz5bJPgCKgRk by p
       2024-05-16T20:27:09.074574Z
       
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       @0 @ins0mniak @Suiseiseki @romin @sun @taylan >  Not only is she real, she checks his browser history.:brandt: hahaha holy shit
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxZaR41Wb97DpsEds by p
       2024-05-16T20:29:51.343710Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @sun @taylan :raiden: You mean I've been talking to an AI?talkingtoanai.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxZda0CkSxNoSaRGK by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-16T20:30:19.815378Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @romin I think you asked me that before... I don't remember what my exact response was but something about groups like Nazis not wanting to be peaceful.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxZkSfkOpJD6fId9s by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-16T20:31:39.691073Z
       
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       @taylan @Suiseiseki @p @romin IMHO very few groups do... but they hide this until they have the majority and the power.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxZq4WD7ESJvrVvbk by j@bae.st
       2024-05-16T20:32:40.124268Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @0 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin @sun seggs before marriage is a sinPXL_20240516_160500610.RAW-01.COVER.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxZvGJwf9yHz4FgC8 by p
       2024-05-16T20:33:37.181093Z
       
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       @dhfir @taylan @0 @Suiseiseki @romin It's a purely Snapchat-based relationship.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxaTzHE1W4RG6XPMm by p
       2024-05-16T20:39:53.725059Z
       
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       @taylan @Suiseiseki @romin >he's still postingお前もな〜〜
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahxac15l9unnCl0HdQ by p
       2024-05-16T20:41:20.788605Z
       
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       @dhfir @taylan @0 @Suiseiseki @rominsex-can-wait.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxamojFSsti2xclZA by p
       2024-05-16T20:43:17.907845Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan Ha, I wonder if that bath-posting account is still around.  I think he got banned most of the places he went.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahxaqe5mx8kUDUzc6S by p
       2024-05-16T20:43:59.420840Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @taylanguntits.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxaubD1cB70QtGLtg by p
       2024-05-16T20:44:42.291216Z
       
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       @tinfoil-hat @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @sun @taylan Maybe @admin knows who she is.  I got the gif from him, he says he made it, presumably from a video.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahxb9qzxC2kjkIQGrQ by FailurePersonified@clubcyberia.co
       2024-05-16T20:47:27.262570Z
       
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       @dcc @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin I personally find women so terrifying that I make sure whenever I go outside to have my Wayne’s World inspired taser strapped to me.However recently I hear that some of them are getting their own, much more compact tasers, some confusing their guns for them (which who even allowed her to have the gun in the first place!??)Absolutely maddening, what’s a poor Taylan to do?Now don’t get me started on what they do to certain parts of the body by just SEEING ONEIt’s like they got mind control powers or some shit.What’s a nigga, a “TAYLAN Nwaaa” to do?Don’t even get me started on the sour cream which DOES NOT TASTE LIKE SOUR CREAM
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxbL6z26KkuVZMOKe by p
       2024-05-16T20:49:29.780428Z
       
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       @amerika @taylan @Suiseiseki @romin Yeah, xz underperforms in terms of output size:  depending on what you're compressing, bz2 is smaller sometimes.  xz is faster in the default configuration because it's parallelized, but the "p" in "pbzip2" is "parallel".The relevant thing for me was that if I want the data to stay accessible, I want a compression algorithm that is old enough to have more than one implementation.  The xz vulnerability demonstrated that the risk was real.xz_meme_formats.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxbbLSa2s8e2WvC3U by p
       2024-05-16T20:52:25.809944Z
       
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       @amerika @taylan @Suiseiseki @romin I've talked to this guy before; it's a pattern, he just shows up in a random thread to antagonize people.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahxbj1NObEp24I9m3k by p
       2024-05-16T20:53:49.045002Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan Sometimes you have to keep the HTML around in case there is metadata you want (like sets grouped together but the images are all in a flat directory named for a hash), and then you just leave it there and then forget about it.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxcBAEtF1rnfEb7ZI by p
       2024-05-16T20:58:54.216217Z
       
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       @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan Escalation!tumblr_oo9cv7THXk1s2wsdzo2_500.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxcOG8wbLaRjw3q2C by p
       2024-05-16T21:01:16.214726Z
       
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       @j @0 @Suiseiseki @ins0mniak @romin @sun @taylan No holding hands.holdinghands.mp4
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxcyUUui3h6gTc66K by Monsignor_DickFace@poa.st
       2024-05-16T21:07:48.766341Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin I'm glad I'm not him
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxdBiryaPN71Si5tQ by Monsignor_DickFace@poa.st
       2024-05-16T21:10:12.187317Z
       
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       @p @0 @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin Definitely going to have to scroll up...
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxdJ3SWQwMcuHIgt6 by Monsignor_DickFace@poa.st
       2024-05-16T21:11:31.672292Z
       
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       @0 @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin Love those dark nips.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxdP5DYo8cW6BB1UW by ForbiddenDreamer@poa.st
       2024-05-16T21:12:36.893604Z
       
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       @Monsignor_DickFace @p @0 @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin This thread sounds promising...
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxdQcaCF6ArrtUwSm by Monsignor_DickFace@poa.st
       2024-05-16T21:12:53.866953Z
       
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       @p @0 @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin Not disappointed.A little confused maybe.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxdYhoMgeC2OuypbU by admin@detroitriotcity.com
       2024-05-16T21:14:17.848594Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @romin @sun @tinfoil-hat I made it from this video:
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahxderh8qxOQn8XSNc by Monsignor_DickFace@poa.st
       2024-05-16T21:15:28.252803Z
       
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       @ForbiddenDreamer @p @0 @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin They started off arguing about "are passwords bytes" and ended up titty posting.I don't understand it but I like it.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahxdlp5Uwdy6jUFUgK by Monsignor_DickFace@poa.st
       2024-05-16T21:16:43.758514Z
       
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       @ForbiddenDreamer @p @0 @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin Am I doing this right?
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxdvIsjXZ8ZkAnbQ8 by ForbiddenDreamer@poa.st
       2024-05-16T21:18:26.224330Z
       
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       @Monsignor_DickFace @p @0 @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin There's also a fork where women disrespecting men with cuckolding is discussed, I believe
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxeCd6hb2SlOVavIm by p
       2024-05-16T21:21:34.710300Z
       
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       @FailurePersonified @dcc @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan > what’s a poor Taylan to do?:ddr_d:deus_drank.mp4
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxeOgaIUezTecBbdo by tinfoil-hat@social.tinfoil-hat.net
       2024-05-16T21:23:40.531984Z
       
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       @admin @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin @sun bless you! The internet needs more boobies
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxeT5bTPp8wPJptsO by p
       2024-05-16T21:24:33.182899Z
       
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       @Monsignor_DickFace @amerika @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin Jack Lemmon or Alec Baldwin?
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxeZ93RUtKmqeo22C by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-16T21:25:33.958787Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @romin > to antagonize people* to correct peopleLike when you said something as stupid as "passwords are just strings of bytes," and then started digging yourself deeper and deeper into a hole like a madman because you couldn't admit it to be wrong.It escalated to the point of a literal 16k character post with footnotes, and when I made fun of you for it, you started seething so hard that you couldn't stop posting incel-style insults at me for 2 hours straight. Not to mention a bunch of soft erotica (???) which I assume you thought would somehow "trigger" me because you think the naked female form is scary to look at? :blobcatthink: By the way, I'm not exaggerating when I'm saying 2 hours straight. Your last post that I responded to was literally about 2 hours ago, and you're still currently seething, trying to come up with new insults.You wasted literal hours of your life kicking and screaming because someone on the Internet pointed out that you said something wrong. And also revealed yourself to be a porn hoarder in the process. :blobcatfearful:You even turned it into a circlejerk with your other pornbrained, nooby, "self-made admin" friends, presumably because you needed some emotional support, after experiencing something which I assume you felt, based on your views on gender, to be "emasculating."And then you complain about me not reading your inane ad-hominem rants. This is definitely some kind of cluster B mental disorder. :blobcatjoy: I'll just mute you now so you can continue screaming into the void and participating in an emotional support circlejerk with your friends. Don't jack each other off too hard though, or you'll hurt your little pecker. :blobcatwink:
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahxeq697Z1MWkcXuIi by p
       2024-05-16T21:28:42.689460Z
       
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       @ForbiddenDreamer @Monsignor_DickFace @0 @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin Oh, no, trust me, except the naked ladies, it's a really stupid thread.  Online slapfight.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxesWDvZyKoCxwrcO by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-16T21:29:04.552263Z
       
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       @dhfir @Suiseiseki @p @0 @romin @sun > mom's girlfriend> the manI can't tell if you were so rustled by my silly "I'm dating your mom" joke that you messed up your comeback, or if this was because you seem to be a person who's confused about gender.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahxeu9ZikymOXnvC6q by p
       2024-05-16T21:29:26.662138Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @admin @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @sun @taylan @tinfoil-hat ACTIVATE
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahxev6EUfXrAT3RZiK by Monsignor_DickFace@poa.st
       2024-05-16T21:29:36.282030Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin Either?
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxewQzSyi9Z8U3FJY by p
       2024-05-16T21:29:51.396450Z
       
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       @Monsignor_DickFace @ForbiddenDreamer @0 @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin Yes.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahxey29qHCHEhKfQjQ by admin@detroitriotcity.com
       2024-05-16T21:30:07.869612Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @romin @sun @tinfoil-hat :gillian_dance:
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxezhvwRMx8YKxnVI by p
       2024-05-16T21:30:26.890210Z
       
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       @ForbiddenDreamer @Monsignor_DickFace @0 @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin I didn't even get into the whole...like there are apparently a lot of coprophiles in that country.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxfQ7X5syLdTbw5BY by ForbiddenDreamer@poa.st
       2024-05-16T21:35:12.666688Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @Monsignor_DickFace @romin So apart from being a great thread it's a normal thread. I accept
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxfaLLJOZdRCfIcqG by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T21:36:49.953074Z
       
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       @tinfoil-hat @admin @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin @sun And booty.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxfcDBkgQugUbid2u by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T21:37:12.275409Z
       
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       @ForbiddenDreamer @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @Monsignor_DickFace @romin Yeah if you just ignore all the retarded shit it's great.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxfgVO0xym65fVB5c by tinfoil-hat@social.tinfoil-hat.net
       2024-05-16T21:38:09.291240Z
       
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       @0 @admin @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin @sun I see you're a man of culture as well
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxfhpvA6Y0q4Ddo8m by ForbiddenDreamer@poa.st
       2024-05-16T21:38:24.869758Z
       
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       @0 @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @Monsignor_DickFace @romin Brb, looking for retarded shit to ignore
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahxg8kfxiKXpcOMjfE by dhfir@suya.place
       2024-05-16T21:43:16.406861Z
       
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       @taylan @Suiseiseki @p @0 @romin @sun simple typo.and it's definitely a boyfriend.likes dogs.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxgCA4jjejbGKa04e by p
       2024-05-16T21:43:54.230601Z
       
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       @taylan @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin > * to correct peopleIf you were correct, you could say this.  You showed up antagonistic and wrong and rambling about "UTF-10", because you are an idiot.> Like when you said something as stupid as "passwords are just strings of bytes,"They are.> a literal 16k character post with footnotes,A person wants to talk, I'll usually talk.> and when I made fun of you for it,Actually, when I realized that we've interacted before.> because you think the naked female form is scary to look at?Oh, I'm just terrified of naked ladies.> Your last post that I responded to was literally about 2 hours ago,I go through my notifications in chronological order. :autismapproved:If you've posted 30 dipshit remarks at me, and then you get 30 replies, you don't have a real complaint.> You wasted literal hours of your lifeNot exactly.  I've got two monitors.> pornbrained, nooby, "self-made admin" friends,I don't even know what you're trying to convey.> based on your views on gender,"Everyone that thinks male feminists are creepy has exactly one possible view on gender." -t. spinster.xyz male feministYou have yet to ask, but you pop in to do internet slap-fights once in a while.  You can fuck all the way off:  I'll give someone I don't know the benefit of a doubt, but it's been a multiple-year pattern with you:  you're just a cunt.> your inane ad-hominem rants.Your first post in the thread was an inane ad-hominem rant, and my response was "Oh, maybe I was being too aggressive, let me try to avoid that" and you just kept going, and up to the last post before I remembered you, I was still saying "Hey, let's not have a stupid argument."> I'll just mute you nowMake it a block.  I'm gonna just turn the Strangelove bot back on. :strangelovewant:> emotional support circlejerk with your friends. Don't jack each other off too hard though, or you'll hurt your little pecker.:pinkwojak: You have outmoded views on gender!  By the way, you have weak emotions and are doing Gay with people, and you have a little weenie.The ironing.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahxig8exlNmJT2wirA by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
       2024-05-16T22:11:37.899538Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @romin > https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2321584121Just had some time now to look into this. I haven't read it all but from what I get, they haven't really found any significant effects of socmed on political views and outcomes?
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxjXV7Mzk3aT5g7Oq by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T22:21:08.755084Z
       
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       @taylan @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @romin Are you mad because I keep pointing out that your step-son is a nigger?
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahxjir2PpwOldam6Pw by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-16T22:23:12.338575Z
       
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       @taylan @Suiseiseki @amerika @p @romin >> pornbrained, nooby, "self-made admin" friends,> I don't even know what you're trying to convey.He wants more of my attention.  Psychologically.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxkGdnzXefmRX8fIG by Monsignor_DickFace@poa.st
       2024-05-16T22:29:31.671168Z
       
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       @ForbiddenDreamer @0 @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin Here's a TON of retards!! poa.st/timeline/fediverse
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxkRBCMF5AGuCYqQq by RedTechEngineer@bae.st
       2024-05-16T22:31:25.805197Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin I'm scared of boobies, if anyone replied to this with unclothed female milk extruders I would be shooked.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhxkmQDzZO0haeSFKC by Suzu@detroitriotcity.com
       2024-05-16T22:35:13.550938Z
       
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       @Suiseiseki @charliebrownau I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahxmfpx1im5XGCVUbA by Zucchini@bae.st
       2024-05-16T22:44:25.787469Z
       
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       @Suzu @Suiseiseki @charliebrownau Why don't you install gentoo in your asshole.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahxmfriv8Bzcl1vFtA by Suzu@detroitriotcity.com
       2024-05-16T22:56:25.227708Z
       
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       @Zucchini @Suiseiseki @charliebrownau well, if I could, I would.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahy907hHeJnp59DnhA by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-17T03:06:39.874269Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin What a bas-- wait, this is what I do. (exits stage left)
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahy91yCluaj8DopYbQ by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-17T03:07:00.272867Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin This is why I use a lot of older tech and of course write Perl for kicks.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahy9Y6cABGeJZQ1xjs by FailurePersonified@clubcyberia.co
       2024-05-17T03:12:48.646096Z
       
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       @p @dcc @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @romin Based, hopefully he's taking notes.Nigga should have really learned into that door more imo
       
 (DIR) Post #AhyrwtqDClnTB2EcUK by p
       2024-05-17T11:30:19.037469Z
       
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       @0 @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin @taylan Unlike the self-made admins, he was appointed his instance by the Mandate of Heaven (天命).
       
 (DIR) Post #AhysDRLsNfA7k3vseG by p
       2024-05-17T11:33:18.393010Z
       
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       @RedTechEngineer @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin @taylan :feynmansmug2:tumblr_11d3a098cb43831681e639734776b0ed_90111909_1280.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #AhysruGeIAmj0PmdKy by p
       2024-05-17T11:40:37.194000Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan > What a bas--No, that's me.  :bofhsimon:> wait, this is what I do.I don't think I'd characterize what you do as antagonistic to anyone specifically, and you're miles away from this guy being bitchy.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhytiwJVPok4hQPLHM by p
       2024-05-17T11:50:12.261790Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan You know, I have Ruby that I wrote during the 1.6 days that still runs fine under 3.3; I have C that I wrote in the 90s that still runs fine.  All of the Go I have ever written.  Perl scripts, too:  I have not written Perl in years, but it all still works.  Not a lot of languages manage that kind of stability.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahz63MFzrocYP3GkkK by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-17T14:08:20.956597Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin I like continuity. Tech should be backwards compatible within reason, and making its parts discrete but interoperable allows this. Both the desktop and app model pushed back against it.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahz6Aho68vFfGZiuZN by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-17T14:09:40.574707Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin At some point, many years ago, I tired of the antagonism on the internet, so now I am just the weird stoned uncle with a pet anteater who always bums smokes at neighborhood parties. It's better to just talk to people, but sometimes that requires launching oneself into a discussion with absurdism or controversy.Need to get some Hawaiian shirts to complete the image.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahz9bgPXk0n2cMnG6q by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-17T14:47:55.649948Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin It's simple, either you personally made all the technical parts (or approve thereof) of Pleroma OTP, or you think I should mangle and spell-check passwords.  There's no other possible position you can take here.  Usually I would let a mistake like this slide, but you've failed to say nigger enough times, so I am going to take joy in proving what an idiot and non-racist you are.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhzE0Z4GZzkCtpxfOK by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-17T15:37:28.764601Z
       
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       @0 @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin Peter Wayand vibes
       
 (DIR) Post #AhzEEwvEgcX0w8b39k by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-17T15:39:51.839690Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin PETER TELLER WAYAND CAN YOU HEAR ME?!
       
 (DIR) Post #AhzGdDLdT1NGjrdvTU by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-17T16:06:52.284483Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin "pornbrained, nooby, "self-made admin"What's wrong with that?
       
 (DIR) Post #AhzLjZoBN8VLuHqg4m by realman543@annihilation.social
       2024-05-17T17:04:02.446915Z
       
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       @taylan @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @romin I was going to come in with some witty retort. Then I read this post.You are a nigger.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhzeK1OA6ZDd2tCoXg by p
       2024-05-17T20:32:20.217835Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan > I like continuity.Ha, most software has version 0.8 followed by version 0.8:>  It hardly seems worth even having a bug system if the frequency of from-scratch rewrites always outstrips the pace of bug fixing. Why not be honest and resign yourself to the fact that version 0.8 is followed by version 0.8, which is then followed by version 0.8? https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html
       
 (DIR) Post #AhzeSkCVNYLaLOudyy by realman543@annihilation.social
       2024-05-17T20:33:54.472019Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin software rewrites are based tbf
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahzf6RuCoqaRBbHnGq by p
       2024-05-17T20:41:05.346907Z
       
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       @0 @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin @taylan :terrylol2:He started another thread and tagged me again because his life won't be complete until he conveys how his morning went:> chat with my gf, go to sleep, wake up, exchange more loving messages with her, take a shower, cuddle my cat,:supremegentleman: Anyway, I put the bot to him.  It was nice to have the bot just *off*.captcha.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AhzfCAlzQjwvmvAkFc by p
       2024-05-17T20:42:07.414055Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @0 @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin @taylan Ha, kind of, now that you say it.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhzfGyPGpsqIskpoDA by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-17T20:42:45.356138Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin I saw "I should have made a bet."  Lmao.  I could still be right, (((she))) has rdp and checks in to ensure his 'hygiene'.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhzfJCdYtkGtb2aAe8 by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-17T20:43:22.868838Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @romin Right? I bet has or will start a serious fire at some point.Or if he goes full Wayand it will be at a women's dorm, which fits his profile.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhzfQ7mFMj7gYCwfFA by p
       2024-05-17T20:44:38.700335Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin @taylan He's got a girlfriend on the internet, man, he's gonna create a population problem.population_problem.mp4
       
 (DIR) Post #AhzfWSJnuGsvznezyK by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-17T20:45:46.446444Z
       
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       @0 @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin Incels and male feminists are dangerous yo.I think he's a Euro so prob limited access to guns so my money is on fire starter.
       
 (DIR) Post #AhzfbSpPRGMZ1apcH2 by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-17T20:46:41.125559Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin It's the new "I have a girlfriend but she lives in Canada"
       
 (DIR) Post #AhzfioIY0p1XdixoMS by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-17T20:47:46.735963Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin I can see it.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahzfm38vHBkuY50SlU by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-17T20:48:35.915934Z
       
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       @0 @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin Outstanding. lmfao!
       
 (DIR) Post #AhzfqK5CEhEWFGIjFQ by p
       2024-05-17T20:49:22.781682Z
       
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       @realman543 @taylan @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin Ha, it gets worse.But then the thread has tits in it.頭の悪い人が乗っています。.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #AhziCBsTcgqT4nuH2m by p
       2024-05-17T21:15:44.511118Z
       
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       @realman543 @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin @taylan Sometimes!
       
 (DIR) Post #AhziHIoBHYlU1HKorI by p
       2024-05-17T21:16:39.941614Z
       
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       @0 @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin @taylan > I could still be right,This is possible!
       
 (DIR) Post #AhziM8dwVGpVwOqsYC by p
       2024-05-17T21:17:32.380561Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @0 @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin @taylan Ha, man.  Like, he's got that "male feminist convicted of rape" feeling to him.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahzig1Apz5AwZBiXrs by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-17T21:21:06.492970Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @romin 100 man. I can tell, like normal people do not talk like that. Especially guys that have women friends or companionship. Guys like him do that shit because they can't compete in the social market place so they do that "I'm an ally to empowered women" shit as a way to worm their way into contact with women. At best this gets you in the frendzone, which makes them even more angry.  Hence the inevitable violent outbursts.It's the "I'm a niceguy" bullshit zeros pull
       
 (DIR) Post #AhzjR6j99e2ROtDf6W by p
       2024-05-17T21:29:38.565163Z
       
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       @0 @ins0mniak @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin @taylansocjuswiz_has_a_grievance.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AhzjVQMk53MFT0nYOG by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-17T21:30:24.678489Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @romin Is that really him?
       
 (DIR) Post #AhzjtIrPdXHV8iWwfg by p
       2024-05-17T21:34:44.306746Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @0 @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin @taylan > It's the "I'm a niceguy" bullshit zeros pull He's a supreme gentleman!  :supremegentleman:
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahzk2Cf63JQ0WN0u6y by p
       2024-05-17T21:36:20.815176Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @0 @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin @taylan Ha, yeah.  It's from his "I paid for five dating apps and I didn't get any dates!" post.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahzk4abK1CL1LWNym8 by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-17T21:36:45.450234Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @romin
       
 (DIR) Post #Ahzk7S6e3fZ1rvOzfk by p
       2024-05-17T21:37:17.736513Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @0 @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin @taylan :brandt:
       
 (DIR) Post #AhzkA8ekpRTyPmdZsu by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-17T21:37:46.346174Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @romin BwhahahahahahahahahahahahaYo! That receding hair line is a mother fucker!But holy shit the soy is strong with that one.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai0MH7x5drrAW2yOxM by ongo@gh0st.live
       2024-05-18T04:44:37.184262Z
       
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       @0 @tinfoil-hat @Suiseiseki @admin @p @romin @sun @taylan MOAR
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai0Tfk66Aa31Rzs5cu by pernia@cum.salon
       2024-05-18T06:07:41.591493Z
       
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       @0 @admin @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin @sun @tinfoil-hat >reverse image search>no results found
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai0TpeU5tS4OwDovGy by pernia@cum.salon
       2024-05-18T06:08:47.258250Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin i've seen this guy before. what even is this
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai0v3jDBoNHaPrql0q by p
       2024-05-18T11:14:35.342770Z
       
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       @pernia @0 @Suiseiseki @amerika @ins0mniak @romin @taylan @Owl It's the dude in this thread with a quote from him from this thread written on Peter Weyand's grievance form.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1ACUWnH1AUnHekfg by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-18T14:04:14.618953Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @0 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin The "nice guys" scare me more than those who do not misrepresent their self-interest.No, I'm not channeling Ayn Rand, who I have never read (something about her prose drives me away like a mucosal Taco Bell flatus at four AM on a city bus).
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1AFLDmKe80nZ7Z6e by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-18T14:04:45.512650Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @0 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin Turkic-Bruin crossover, good hair?
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1ALLvwb2UakGe5aq by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-18T14:05:50.648381Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin Incels and male feminists are both obsessed with sex.I think a lot of young men get caught up in it early on but over time figure out the trap.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1AXRmefghOMe4GEy by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-18T14:08:01.745508Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin Individualism as usual. The programmer is more interested in putting his/her stamp on it than simply making it work.This is why I say whoever is the effective project manager role is important, whether commercial or not.Then there's IP farms like Adobe and Computer Associates, but that's another story caused by legal costs more than anything else.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1AawhWB8Wl7YKirQ by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-18T14:08:38.824613Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin I tried to read one of her books and couldn't get past the first chapter and I'm an obsessive reader man
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1ApSM1I05xLVCGIq by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-18T14:11:17.016731Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin We could mention the giant fuckup that Perl 6 was in here somewhere.Or the recent giant fuckups by whoever administers PHP.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1AupOL42oSF7qJeK by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-18T14:12:15.461377Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin Same. I think I groaned and pulled away.Erica Jong begat a similar response, to be fair.And recently, John LeCarre. His scenes are important but plodding. The movie did him a mega-solid.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1B0stqvvq6rSTHKi by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-18T14:13:20.900167Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin I have great sympathy for Alysa Rosenbaum, who grew up watching the socialists steal everything from her family.That would make me upset too.And I don't disagree with her Nietzschean/Redbeardian premise.I just can't read the stuff. However most science fiction now seems to be written in her model and it also drives me away.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1BtTl2755moLNX2e by p
       2024-05-18T14:23:13.325386Z
       
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       @amerika @0 @Suiseiseki @ins0mniak @romin @taylan Yeah, he admitted in the other thread that he jumps on things I say because he does not like my personality and is worried that I will influence the young impressionables to be uncouth instead of putting women on a pedestal.> The "nice guys" scare me more than those who do not misrepresent their self-interest.Seconded.  Anyone spending their time broadcasting that they are good is absolutely not.> something about her prose drives me awayI tried to read one of her short stories; couldn't make it through that, even.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1Bzq349JcngMqUqm by p
       2024-05-18T14:24:22.286573Z
       
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       @amerika @0 @Suiseiseki @ins0mniak @romin @taylan You'll have to ask him, I didn't inquire about his ancestry, I just told him he's gonna need to have a sandwich to keep up.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1C5suWQ8boISjT60 by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-18T14:25:27.605080Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @0 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin "Anyone spending their time broadcasting that they are good is absolutely not."This is the big takeaway.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1CogdCvBOjFDzrn6 by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-18T14:33:33.140837Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @0 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin And that's another thing... most people cannot make a sandwich worth a damn.I mean, it's simple "on paper," right? Bread and filling.But still, most sandwiches are bleeccccch.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1Cpnm7qWWvgrhSls by p
       2024-05-18T14:33:45.750111Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan > The programmer is more interested in putting his/her stamp on it than simply making it work.People working for free want to do the fun parts, not the "boring" parts like maintaining stability.  I had this issue with Pleroma when setting this machine up; some dipshit changed the API so that "hmac(...)" had to be changed to "hash(:hmac, ...)".  You can leave a compatibility shim in indefinitely, since it was the same args, but a stable API is not fun, it's a matter of craftsmanship and engineering; likewise, trying to get the API right to begin with requires experience and careful thought, and that is also not fun.> This is why I say whoever is the effective project manager role is important, whether commercial or not.Well, "release engineer" is a critical and completely overlooked role.  Someone that says "No, that'll break shit, it's not going into the release unless you fix it before the feature freeze.  Also, we do a feature freeze for releases now, to give people time with the release candidates so they can tell us if it's broken."  I think the project manager you're picturing is probably doing something like that, but it's essential that someone do it.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1Cq4DIjFm6fmXOLo by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-18T14:33:48.168087Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @0 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin Then again, I guess to clarify, most food is pretty bad too.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1D4q3jdWOV7N6gc4 by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-18T14:36:27.958216Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin Fuck no, he's got long ass ratty 80's rocker dude hair with a massive receding hairline. He's also super soy....like looks like he hasn't eaten protein in years.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1D8v1L8Fo3fCvqVM by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-18T14:37:12.492403Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin Yeah I completely agree, but just from a literary stand point it's impenetrable.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1D9FhCGLAhmofYWW by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-18T14:37:16.319024Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin Very true, but we see the same on paid jobs. If the manager is not awake, individual programmers will do what draws the most attention to them and advances their careers.So you get the new version of the same with the same bugs there too.Aaaaand it's not exclusive to brogrammers either. Every profession has this problem. How much "science" was written to make a scientist stand out?
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1DC78GYczk61hAn2 by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-18T14:37:47.357019Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin "a stable API is not fun, it's a matter of craftsmanship and engineering"I think people should take this seriously. Work is never fun, but doing it right IS really fucking fun even if you have to wait to eat that marshmallow.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1DF5QjLJ5tgZkW7E by p
       2024-05-18T14:38:19.930355Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan > We could mention the giant fuckup that Perl 6 was in here somewhere.:larry: Way before Perl 6 was released, Larry Wall joked that someone had snuck around and released Perl 6 already and called it "Ruby" and the hackers lol'd, and then the humorless dicks got involved and he had to walk it back and say "Objects are confusing!"  (If we're talking about OO Perl, I'd agree, but Perl 6's object system seemed fine.  People don't seem to have trouble with objects in Lua.)> Or the recent giant fuckups by whoever administers PHP.Well, it's PHP.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1DIhyqTDTo7FQvOC by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-18T14:38:57.842279Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @romin I saw that wtf.He's still wrong too. Like a string is bytes...like it's a string. That's the first that gets pointed out in like every "hello world" tutorial.Ask any woman what they think of "nice guys" and watch them try not to retch.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1DJlpDf2zoKVRAY4 by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-18T14:39:10.336849Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin Yeah but look at the texture. That's good hair. It's long and still strong.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1DQF4JqaLElSaOG0 by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-18T14:40:20.235279Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin Naw its rat hair. I mean it might look alright if he got someone to do something with it. Like a professional.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1ExX9vhxGANieIEq by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-18T14:57:33.871514Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin I never found Perl objects to be confusing, but the documentation could be so.Lua is just fun. It's a language designed almost like HyperCard for minimal barriers.Then again, this also gets graphics art majors (Hitler was an art student) into writing code, which is bad.PHP was awesome when it was a template system for Perl. They tried to make both Perl and PHP into Ruby, missed out on that goal and also adulterated the languages.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1F0lcuNJHC7VkGAq by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-18T14:58:09.028324Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin Women are getting accustomed to "nice guys" suddenly springing sexual demands on them.Liers in wait...
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1FeqjCpJrDWensUi by p
       2024-05-18T15:05:23.892018Z
       
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       @amerika @0 @Suiseiseki @ins0mniak @romin @taylan Well, I'm not trying to make sure he enjoys a tasty meal, just he's starving to death.  He's gonna keep having these cognitive troubles until he fixes it.  (You've been around the internets a bit longer than me, and have been pretty plugged into the time-ghost besides; surely you are aware of the "give her some sammiches" meme whenever someone posted an image of a girl that seemed to be to thin to be healthy.  I don't think the sandwich's role there was considered, beyond its ability to add mass.)As I am a native of Los Angeles, and this is a town where, unless you're at a chain, cashiers at most burger places will not even blink if you wander in and say "pastrami double cheeseburger with bacon and avocado" (and gauging by the small number of button presses required and the lack of delay between presses, it's not a rare or even uncommon order), I will have to take issue with your characterization of "most" sandwiches.  Most of the ones I've eaten are great.  But since he is in .de, I can't suggest a bacon-avocado pastrami double cheeseburger, or a burrito, or asada fries.  I don't know what they eat where he lives, probably root vegetables and small mammals or birds, but he can probably make a sandwich by putting a pigeon between two beets.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1G042qVhuwuN6dAu by p
       2024-05-18T15:09:13.935269Z
       
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       @amerika @0 @Suiseiseki @ins0mniak @romin @taylan Most food is made for kids, and people that are tired, often people that are tired and have kids.  Children don't have very discerning palates, and exhausted people (especially exhausted people with hungry kids) do not usually care much.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1G3pXOOFnR4aBodU by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-18T15:09:53.491591Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @romin Very similar to where I live if you avoid those stupid ass trendy joints. Fucking small plate bullshit.There's a joint just down the street from me that makes outstanding subs, like freaking huge. Blows shit like subway outta the water.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1Ga7yDOSnzVW8VOK by graf@poa.st
       2024-05-18T15:15:43.561636Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin I just ordered a smoked meat sandwich with a smoked meat poutine for lunch. I'm pretty tired. no kids
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1GkVdEH8fjmvGq5g by p
       2024-05-18T15:17:37.568217Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan Well, sure, but I've naturally got stronger opinions about my own profession and am somewhat more qualified.Sturgeon's Law applies to people, too.  No way around it.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1GvgRUQE3AVC6kVM by p
       2024-05-18T15:19:38.737957Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan > I think people should take this seriously.If I knew how to make people care about craftsmanship, I'd be rich by now.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1IZfn4MhKO19plUe by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-18T15:38:03.917238Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin Exactly.That whole "I'm nice so they owe me"
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1Ip8bBXSdti0eJc0 by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-18T15:40:52.005252Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin Ninety percent of everything is crap? It's a restatement of the usual bell curve or Pareto analysis, just with a higher filter!
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1IqrNkWMTMtKBb1c by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-18T15:41:10.695873Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @0 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin Put cheese on it, make the audience happy.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1IvIW5ZrXmCpCdhg by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-18T15:41:58.960288Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin Maybe, maybe not.Most people seem content with mediocre. After all, it gives them an excuse for non-performance.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1JJoCTQj0jQ9iR9s by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-18T15:46:24.518412Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin I think the broader question might simply be, "why is management so generally bad?" with a focus on the lower and middle levels. This applies to all industries in my experience.A sane manager might ask how people are promoted to these positions, and mention that corporations tend to aggregate people who do NOT have better options, unless run exceptionally well at the lower levels.Getting good CEOs is easy... or at least was. It's everything else that is up in the air.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1Jn0WageZa2h33o0 by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-18T15:51:41.219916Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @0 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin The internet... what an interesting time. It's been under steady commercial assault since those first AOL disks.For me, though, the obsession is always to explain herd behavior. It bridges the demotic worlds -- commerce, democracy, oversocialization -- and IMHO gets more to the root of human dysfunction.The only other thing to throw in here is that bar food is an interesting subgenre. The whole point is to have multiple flavors clashing at once. This tastes really good after four beers.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1JwC0NN9UKFqMNjE by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-18T15:53:20.473884Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin Back in the 90's I remember everyone being worried that it was going to become cable 2.0.Turns out everyone was right.  Cable 2.0 with endless AI garbage.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1K1i59XQWHBhE1ei by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-18T15:54:20.663201Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin It's daytime television now, just with user-provided content. Bradbury had a good riff on that.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1KZcA83PTIfpigF6 by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-18T16:00:26.273201Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin 100.I can envision a future where the people who just want to hang out and have fun have to go back to irc or setup their own servers again.Tho, I can't even port forward with Comcast at the moment, not until I get a new router. Like that barrier is going to get to the point where you have to have a decent amount of technical knowledge to deal with another human. Straight up cyberpunk shit man
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1KhbZ4A0XV8WC5Kq by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-18T16:01:54.935585Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin The longterm problem is that their voices are marginalized re: the general population.We have forums now, but the audience is on social media.If you want to get the word out... network effects are important.Socializing in any form is a quest for if not power at least a niche.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1L4YFQerLxVgwzmy by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-18T16:06:02.615686Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin Anyone who colors outside the lines is marginalized. Just the nature of social media is to aggregate approved content.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1L9Pm7aRLwgFYr2G by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-18T16:06:56.648981Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin It is a handy way to manufacture trends.Those can then be co-opted.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1LQ6RghszFeaxeNc by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-18T16:09:56.368892Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin True, but I would argue that consolidation of all things internet into fewer and fewer hands makes that ever more difficult.Remember the refrain of "If you don't like it build your own platform"?People do that and then they go for the domain registrars.The barriers of entry are getting higher in my opinion.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1LUmtioRiyTWJ8L2 by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-18T16:10:48.255715Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin Google has made this its strategy since the inception.Raise costs, which causes consolidation, and that way Google can have partners who do its bidding and feature them almost exclusively in its web index.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1LtBpnkYaQlV6rmi by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-18T16:15:11.598295Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin Oh absolutely.  I just saw this the other day.https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/05/google-search-adds-web-filter-as-it-pivots-to-ai-focused-search-results/I mean as it is, there's nothing about google that is traditional search. There's no point in even using it if you're goal is to explore the web or find unique content. Even people I know who aren't savvy have noticed it. "Man, google search is kinda of worthless now"
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1M5Vwco604buB6US by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-18T16:17:26.422813Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin And:What's happening to Sonos speaker owners is a cautionary tale. As more of your possessions rely on software — including your car, phone, TV, home thermostat or tractor — the manufacturer can ruin them with one shoddy update...https://it.slashdot.org/story/24/05/18/0125202/facing-angry-users-sonos-promises-to-fix-flaws-and-restore-removed-features
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1MPXzOukCAkB1rFY by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-18T16:21:02.561007Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin That's ridiculous. Just wait until it happens to some poor person's pacemaker or something. Or suddenly your car won't start because of some update and you can't get your kids to school or get to work.  That kind of dependency is getting really scary. It kind or reminds me of Human Revolution where people have all these implants than can just be shut off by the manufacturer.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1RhLIDMFocLj8Lc8 by pernia@cum.salon
       2024-05-18T17:20:17.228674Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @ins0mniak @Owl @taylan @romin holy shit is the latin1 dude the dude in the pic? and you called him a nigger???
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1RoOU1tTvMGv1SCW by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-18T17:21:18.416818Z
       
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       @ongo @Suiseiseki @admin @p @romin @sun @taylan @tinfoil-hat
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1RrhPrxTP5rNeWg4 by tinfoil-hat@social.tinfoil-hat.net
       2024-05-18T17:22:05.765706Z
       
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       @0 @admin @Suiseiseki @p @ongo @taylan @romin @sun more tiddies
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1S4yLkJM7M8v3M0m by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-18T17:24:18.872639Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @ins0mniak @taylan @romin Ayn Rand can be nicely summarized in 200 pages with absolutely nothing lost but 800 pages of gay romance novel.  All her books are like this.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1SLnuCOcPQfoC61A by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-18T17:27:22.300499Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin All computers are browsers, just limit your understanding of everything to JS and Webshit and the dude makes total sense.  Lmao.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1SY1d3CN5Ai806We by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-18T17:29:30.804911Z
       
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       @graf @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @ins0mniak @taylan @romin That pizza from the other day still making me hungry.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1Sc14vBf8iA5wLlA by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-18T17:30:18.244087Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @ins0mniak @taylan @romin Bar food hack: Utz honey cheeze puffs & spicy mustard.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1SmJ7SxwGP0k2OIq by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-18T17:32:23.318316Z
       
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       @0 @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin Mom and Dad think he's a real whiz with those computers!
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1SqFKL0XXYPJw7F2 by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-18T17:32:51.569179Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin There's good reason why my "apocalypse" vehicle - as silly as it is to plan for such things - is a carbureted machine.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1Sw6KDOE88E3fdwm by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-18T17:33:56.166052Z
       
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       @pernia @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @ins0mniak @Owl @taylan @romin I called his step-son a nigger because he's the type to clean up when a Spinster decides she's ready to settle.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1SyJfuj3tGD1sPI0 by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-18T17:34:19.186208Z
       
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       @tinfoil-hat @admin @Suiseiseki @p @ongo @taylan @romin @sun
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1T1kSTbQhc92EBPs by pernia@cum.salon
       2024-05-18T17:35:11.170416Z
       
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       @0 @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @ins0mniak @Owl @taylan @romin spinsters have seps?
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1T81OhXJosPySA2S by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-18T17:36:19.424327Z
       
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       @0 @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin See that's not a worry in my world, being that I live in walking distance to the Pentagon.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1TBnPrSbmoDKnOKm by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-18T17:37:00.428628Z
       
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       @0 @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin Fun Fact, the cafe in the courtyard is called the Ground Zero Cafe.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1TJZtzaaHgcMbGDY by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-18T17:38:09.044401Z
       
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       @pernia @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @ins0mniak @Owl @taylan @romin Their initial conflict with penis-having-people is what usually drove them to their ranting lifestyle in the first place.  Like I said originally, "Spinsters have a love/hate relationship with dick, and it's not working out for them."And yes, they have a surplus of divorces and genetic debris from that.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1TOORdcAGQX0dL28 by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-18T17:39:17.006739Z
       
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       @0 @amerika @pernia @Suiseiseki @p @Owl @taylan @romin Unfuckable lard-asses is my impression.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1TSk5J6GpYnwGJiC by pernia@cum.salon
       2024-05-18T17:40:03.878835Z
       
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       @0 @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @ins0mniak @Owl @taylan @romin bitches that did not recover from bad dick
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1TZdu6TiB9f8JPfc by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-18T17:41:04.806311Z
       
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       @pernia @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @ins0mniak @Owl @taylan @romin "Don't you want to stick around while I punish you for my ex's shortcomings?"  The relationship model.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1TnTZXghXZfpI6k4 by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-18T17:43:47.885069Z
       
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       @0 @amerika @pernia @Suiseiseki @p @Owl @taylan @romin
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1Tvow68pm8FUovB2 by pernia@cum.salon
       2024-05-18T17:45:18.557213Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @0 @Owl @taylan @romin would you fuck her delicious soft folds?
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1U1Y71bYRzoBf9zk by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-18T17:46:21.463727Z
       
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       @pernia @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @0 @Owl @taylan @romin I would not, no.Like I would rather set my self on fire, jump off a tall building and pray I caught my eye on rusty nail on the way down.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1UCoEG1WyWykPnAu by pernia@cum.salon
       2024-05-18T17:48:23.464359Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @0 @Owl @taylan @romin aright i wouldnt do it either but i wouldn't go so far
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1UFztB81lK0i4koC by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-18T17:48:58.063662Z
       
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       @pernia @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @0 @Owl @taylan @romin Id say that would be my feelings about anyone on Spinster
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1UWpv3Rtac0qyzg0 by pernia@cum.salon
       2024-05-18T17:51:59.609797Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @0 @Owl @taylan @romin nah spinsters are far riskier, fat or otherwise
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1ZnhuOz6lnrWXdHk by p
       2024-05-18T18:51:05.933165Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @0 @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin @taylan > Like a string is bytes...like it's a string.Yeah; if it's a website, apparently encoding is enforced on the string, and he wants to tack on server-side heuristics and conditional transcoding, which is stupid.  (I don't know what he's written, but I'd be amazed if he can find a security engineer that doesn't make a face when he hears "transcoding" and "heuristics" associated with "password".)> Ask any woman what they think of "nice guys" and watch them try not to retch.:bwk: is really nice, :dmr: was really nice, but that isn't why anyone has heard of them.  :theo: is an asshole, but that's not the reason anyone's heard of him, either.If someone's main trait is that he is a "nice guy", it's likely that he's lying, but in the case where he believes it, it boils down to being obsequious on the path to mediocrity and he usually thinks he's owed something for the effort.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1aMcKnhXhIi3XGs4 by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-18T18:57:22.924594Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @romin I mean, for a password any decent one will make a dictionary attack near impossible, that's assuming security is shit enough not to have bad attempt lockouts and such, the obvious thing is hashing passwords with a salt on the server but what he's saying makes no sense. Idk, I'm too lazy to go that far back in the thread to understand what the fuck he's ranting about.There are people who are nice. People like nice people. Nice people like people. Problem is, a "nice guy" is a very specific type of creeper who like you said...expects shit in return for being baseline decent. If even that.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1aZmrzqH6V9JLIu0 by p
       2024-05-18T18:59:47.330173Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan > I never found Perl objects to be confusing, but the documentation could be so.Well, tell Larry Wall; he's the one that thinks objects confuse people.  I thought Perl's object system was a little baroque, but Perl is baroque.> Lua is just fun. It's a language designed almost like HyperCard for minimal barriers.I think in a slightly better world, JavaScript would not exist, and we'd be using Lua.  (In an even better world, we'd have a very nice bytecode VM.)> Then again, this also gets graphics art majors (Hitler was an art student) into writing code, which is bad.Well, if Hitler had learned to code, maybe he wouldn't have been such a fuck-up that he needed to kill himself.  > PHP was awesome when it was a template system for Perl. They tried to make both Perl and PHP into Ruby, missed out on that goal and also adulterated the languages. I don't know, Perl 6 looked all right.  PHP never did.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1aembOGW17lZxQ3c by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-18T19:00:24.984024Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin If you don't want to standardize the character encoding of passwords to be sent in clear-text, I don't know what to tell you.  TLS is everything a man needs, and I know they have "SCREAM" or whatever now, but I don't think that much salt is healthy for a person.  Honestly, when's the last time you asked your girlfriend what she thought about this?  As I suspected, incel.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1almTF9VNLNzU2c4 by p
       2024-05-18T19:01:57.381341Z
       
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       @graf @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin See, that sounds like a decent thing to eat.  I don't think anyone gets Mickey D's unless they are exhausted, though.ronald_mcgangsta.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1aownvBmNMIsfK3U by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-18T19:02:30.300210Z
       
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       @0 @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin lolIt's true. But I'm such a nice guy.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1bn8CNx9q71Bo2gC by p
       2024-05-18T19:13:24.327695Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan > just with a higher filter! In an organization of n people, the majority of the work is done by √n people.  (It's a rule that seems correct, and it stands to reason from Pareto distributions, but, although it is obviously true when n=1, it's difficult to prove from induction.)
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1cLlzuUMAGIWUPS4 by p
       2024-05-18T19:19:39.969059Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan > Maybe, maybe not.No, I definitely would.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1cUi4KSssOieolFo by menherahair@eientei.org
       2024-05-18T19:20:56.174070Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin>I thought Perl's object system was a little baroque, but Perl is baroque.it's getting a new object system by the way, Corinna. it's perl so it's terribly advertised (or rather, not), so here's some links to look at. the tl;dr idea is, it's a perl object system that's not a weird fucking hack.some of it is already in the stable binary https://perldoc.perl.org/perlclassand more potential features of it are in the testbed implementation module https://metacpan.org/pod/Object::Padand here's the designers blog to dig through for more thoughts less code https://ovid.github.io/articles/corinna-in-the-perl-core.htmland for another attempt at unbaroqueing perl, there was perl7 lol
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1ch12bkhrR2Gsf0C by p
       2024-05-18T19:23:30.315203Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan > I think the broader question might simply be, "why is management so generally bad?"I don't think it boils down to management.  The enemy of a good business is unpredictability, this necessitates tamping down individuals.13--padded_cell.mp3
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1e8mFoQK35EkrHhQ by p
       2024-05-18T19:39:43.649543Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @amerika @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan > Turns out everyone was right.Not about this place.  Does this feel like watching a TV show?
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1eNRgrA4nFnrVDYO by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-18T19:42:21.686345Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @romin no, but I was more referring to consolidation of the net at large. Tho when jonny posts those videos it does start feeling like an episode of COPS or something.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1eaA2k5GW2pvnp4K by p
       2024-05-18T19:44:40.582670Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @amerika @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan > Or suddenly your car won't start because of some update and you can't get your kids to school or get to work. That kind of dependency is getting really scary. Nobody tell the poor guy about self-repossessing Teslas; he'll have nightmares.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1egLaK5LwuMzSY5I by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-18T19:45:47.044492Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @romin
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1g3U7obCppTHip3g by p
       2024-05-18T20:01:10.864249Z
       
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       @pernia @0 @Owl @Suiseiseki @amerika @ins0mniak @romin @taylan I called him a lot of things, but not that.  (But, you know, if the shoe fits.)Every time I have ever talked to that dude, it is because he hopped into a thread to yell at me.  He has insisted that I am macho and that I cannot be allowed to do this.Sandwich-macho.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1gNBLA9M0b0GMDse by p
       2024-05-18T20:04:44.449596Z
       
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       @0 @ins0mniak @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin @taylan Your computer cannot run a program without translating it into a browser first.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1goM3iPGFY469a7c by p
       2024-05-18T20:09:39.100726Z
       
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       @0 @tinfoil-hat @Suiseiseki @admin @ongo @romin @sun @taylanTA_010.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1grfcu6xClcbC4vo by p
       2024-05-18T20:10:15.056150Z
       
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       @pernia @0 @Owl @Suiseiseki @amerika @ins0mniak @romin @taylan He's a man-spinster:  @socjuswiz.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1hDC5OcedSNGmfY0 by not_br549@jollyville.net
       2024-05-18T20:14:07.604937Z
       
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       Elixir FTFW!
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1uro7lunAvKrajgm by threat@shitposter.world
       2024-05-18T22:47:08.351400Z
       
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       @p @admin @Suiseiseki @0 @ongo @taylan @romin @sun @tinfoil-hat i'd never seen toes that look like a pack of mangled amazon-basics aaa batteries before.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1vDh96XdXy3xeSfI by YTFoidLover1488@poa.st
       2024-05-18T22:51:05.366810Z
       
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       @p @taylan @Suiseiseki @0 @romin @sun > What possesses a person to write this sort of thing on purpose?A German-Turkroach bootlicker that wishes they could summon the Stasi to fuck you up but instead the best they got is NetzDG
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1vR40wpQbEkjD9Xs by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-18T22:53:15.626090Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @ins0mniak @taylan @romin Buy my book "The Chromebook Mindset" with forward by Mike Cernovich.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai1xWP0AQPizCTWG92 by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-18T23:16:52.278443Z
       
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       @0 @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin Anth beeth surth toth buy alpha maleth gorillath supplemenths!
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2QUbGgkFTpKrjw5w by p
       2024-05-19T04:41:30.740519Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @0 @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin @taylan > the obvious thing is hashing passwords with a salt on the serverIf you try to guess and then apply heuristics and sometimes you conditionally change the byte sequence, you have created multiple sequences of bytes that are conditionally transformed into the same sequence.Like, imagine a mixed-case password and the guy writing the server figures that you might have caps lock on, but the webserver has no way of knowing this, so he "helpfully' tries the password with case toggled:  this means two guesses for the price of one.  Or if they try to solve that by tolower()ing the entire thing, that means that "Password" and "PASSWORD" and "pAsSwOrD" all end up with the same hash as "password".  (This is before timing attacks even factor in.)  And as the RFC covered (when I said "An opaque bytestring. Anything else and RFC 6943 will come get you in your sleep."), if you have a byzantine process in place, if you do anything past the minimum for a password, then you've got to do that *everywhere* because the more operations required, the lower the odds that for two implementations, the same transformation is done in the same way in a weird edge-case that requires you to attempt to distinguish between high-ASCII and UTF-8 before hashing.  So RFC 7613 sets a well-defined list of operations and has a "definitely go no further" warning, and it's unambiguous and simple and doesn't require the server to peek at the password.  (To which, of course, he responded "Actually, I didn't read that because it was too long.")So you just hash it once and say "No" if the hash doesn't match, and if the client is sending you bad data, the client cannot log people in.  (Especially if the client is "HTML that you have sent", it's kind of inexcusable to complicate the entire process just to avoid sending different HTML, to say nothing of the holes created by the complication.  It boggles the mind how many hoops the guy will jump through.  Like, he's screeching about "WHAT IF IN 200 YEARS WE ARE ALL USING UTF-10" and that's obviously stupid, but then I stumble on RFC 7613 and that is somewhat more convincing, so I say "Actually, this makes sense" and he starts with "YOU'RE DEMONSTRATING CONFUSION!" and it's like he's just arrived here from Gab.)> Idk, I'm too lazy to go that far back in the thread to understand what the fuck he's ranting about.Eh, basically that, while I keep being baffled that he's that much of an asshole and saying "Okay, maybe I was harsh, let me rephrase this, let's not have a stupid internet slap-fight" at which point he doubles-down on it, screeches insults, and calls me stubborn, followed by ascribing womanly traits to me while insisting that I hate women and acting macho, etc.  It's the kind of shit that no one would pull if they were actually trying to engage the topic because you had a personal beef, and I kept thinking "Oh, man, I pissed this guy off, he's gonna be aggressively useless unless I walk it back" until I recognized him and realized that I'd written him off years ago for doing this shit.  So then in the other thread he pointed out that he just doesn't like my personality and feels it's important to try to shit on me, so he can join the club, man.  All the people that dislike me and overestimate my influence.  (I can, sometimes, say something that people think is funny or informative, but usually I'm just in the vicinity of someone losing their shit and their lunatic rant turns into a meme. :robcolbertsmile:)> a "nice guy" is a very specific type of creeperYeah; the self-described "nice guy" is the guy that has nothing else to say about himself (either because he hasn't done anything, or, in the more likely case, wants to draw your attention *away* from what he's done.)
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2R3uCoKO2mCjlFSa by p
       2024-05-19T04:47:53.584168Z
       
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       @menherahair @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin @taylan > the tl;dr idea is, it's a perl object system that's not a weird fucking hack.I feel it's less Perl-y if it's not a hack, to say nothing of an effort to standardize around One Way To Do It.> and for another attempt at unbaroqueing perl, there was perl7 lol Well, like, I don't like Perl, but that's a style thing, right?  Perl is just going to cause trouble for itself if it tries to not be Perl.  It becomes turkey bacon:  by trying to appeal to people that don't want to eat bacon, it discards the things that make people eat bacon, becoming unwanted by everyone.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2RydUT9AuOry4VlY by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-19T04:58:07.309060Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @romin Yeah man, I was trynna even understand where he was coming from with all that and it reminded me of someone high on meth or something, fucking with the toaster. Dude, that kind of shit, its code spaghetti. Unnecessary bullshit. I actually have a physical print out of rfc7613 because it's you know....important.I saw him bitching about how "everything is bytes" Yeah dumbfuck. No shit, kind of a fundamental. I saw too the shit about UTF-10...like the fuck? lolHe's not big on the ethos of sharing information. That attitude annoys me simply because anyone worth their salt know they don't know everything. You get better by having conversations and tossing things back and forth. Imagine going into hackerspace or work environment and screeching like you're on god-mode like that. People would laugh you out of the room. Like I said before people like that can't compete so they use that weird shit as a social. cudgel to attempt to level the field without actually doing anything of value
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2SCw0L6oqcLNnTRw by p
       2024-05-19T05:00:43.790456Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @0 @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin @taylan I don't know, I don't have an opinion on the box.  It's as dumb as any of the other cars people drive around, but this one at least reminds me of 80s movies.Making fun of the car for looking dopey kind of shoves "Holy shit, the entire car is spyware that feeds the termperature of your ass to the mothership and also it is like driving a rootkit that allows the manufacturer to override the driver, which is bad enough with software but this thing is something people put their kids inside, and the doors won't open without wifi, and the batteries sometimes just explode and catch fire and then the door handles don't work and you're burning alive with your children.  If they weren't receiving billions of dollars from the government, the company would have folded because it is a rolling dystopia that is dangerous to be next to on the freeway because the 'self-driving' feature TURNS OUT TO BE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE IN PAKISTAN GETTING PAID PRACTICALLY NOTHING TO REMOTE-CONTROL YOUR CAR ON A DELAY THAT CANNOT BE REDUCED BECAUSE OF THE SPEED OF LIGHT." off to the side, and in my opinion, that is way worse than the car looking dopey.  I mean, the PT Cruiser looked dopey.  The consumer version of the Hummer looked dopey.  All of the SUVs being stupid bubble-wagons, those are dopey.  (Everything except the Dodge Challenger and the Jeep Patriot look stupid as hell and they discontinued the Patriot.)  Everything looks dopey, but this one is evil and will kill you.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2SYPrBJWyP0hky6S by p
       2024-05-19T05:04:36.729312Z
       
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       @not_br549 @amerika @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin Well, I did cover the most recent complaint I had about Elixir a few posts up.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2SfwCDTYgjKtBLaS by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-19T05:05:57.269182Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @romin oh I actually think it looks cool, but it's the inside not the outside kind of a thing.I'll cosign your assessment of being tech molested from it 100.I'm on the east coast so I take public transit so I don't have to deal with being absorbed into the data matrix.I do have to deal with people masturbating in public tho.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2Sn70Zfsmqte9piq by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-19T05:06:59.067855Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin Oy vey, that's anti-Semitic, Sussy!
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2Sq40DJ4EYRWOd4C by not_br549@jollyville.net
       2024-05-19T05:07:47.391856Z
       
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       too lazy to scroll back, here :-)
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2Sv2b3xaiZX00PGS by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-19T05:08:41.438608Z
       
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       @0 @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2T8mJpHJAp6GUfgW by p
       2024-05-19T05:11:11.026031Z
       
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       @threat @0 @Suiseiseki @admin @ongo @romin @sun @taylan @tinfoil-hat Who the hell was looking at her toes?
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2TDexe3sT5jDRjg8 by p
       2024-05-19T05:12:03.957537Z
       
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       @YTFoidLover1488 @taylan @Suiseiseki @0 @romin @sun Careful sayin' shit like that, man, he'll expose you!
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2TI2dA05hSIRxDVo by p
       2024-05-19T05:12:51.472587Z
       
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       @0 @Suiseiseki @amerika @ins0mniak @romin @taylan You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like:google_starts_making_comics_about_memory_to_sell_chrome--this_was_the_beginning_of_evil.png
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2TUBW6msTjKdRiYy by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-19T05:14:46.555983Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @ins0mniak @taylan @romin Maybe we just haven't gone far enough.  NodeJS in Chrome FOR THE BACKEND SERVER!  Electron 2.0, in the cloud.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2TmALLtBO6u9zN68 by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-19T05:18:16.766630Z
       
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       @0 @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin fuckin node
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2TuhEDVX0FDDidv6 by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-19T05:19:33.514388Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin I was told today by someone that was avoiding using pleroma that they were going to misskey and soapbox instead, for the long term upkeep of the backend, and avoiding drama.Imagine, arguing that you're better off with NodeJS for stability and Gleason to avoid drama.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2UBoFeeHa3uvYGxs by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-19T05:22:54.779571Z
       
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       @0 @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin haha. That's like holding an AA meeting at Senior Frogs
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2URQduC49DKSLJ9k by YTFoidLover1488@poa.st
       2024-05-19T05:25:45.245716Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @romin @sun He is the protagonist of The Feminist nplusonemag.com/issue-35/fiction-drama/the-feminist/
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2Uaqav4glIQJRAa8 by not_br549@jollyville.net
       2024-05-19T05:27:26.744893Z
       
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       This needs to be repeated.  All the above is true.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2Uen9lnZcSv3cRmK by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-19T05:27:53.826769Z
       
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       @not_br549 @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @ins0mniak @taylan @romin A problem that only effects gullible rich people doesn't garner much sympathy from me.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2VJdM399ucOMq0Rs by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-19T05:35:31.827613Z
       
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       @0 @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @not_br549 @taylan @romin
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2WHkACxZxSsuxfvc by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-19T05:46:08.284895Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @not_br549 @taylan @romin "My $80k battery fire isn't like your sad battery fire.  My fire is yuge, it's impressive, people know about it.  You didn't even make local news, sad!"
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2WcUMOuZpVx8YZTU by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-19T05:50:08.738696Z
       
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       @0 @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @not_br549 @taylan @romin "It holds a charge....many people are saying 20 minutes...very powerful very strongly"
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2XaVY5cb8J0vdwnY by p
       2024-05-19T06:01:00.920441Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @0 @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin @taylan > He's not big on the ethos of sharing information. That attitude annoys me simply because anyone worth their salt know they don't know everything.Yeah, he was trying to win an argument, not get anywhere.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2Xq2koRoVYLG0CpM by p
       2024-05-19T06:03:49.378301Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @0 @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin @taylan > oh I actually think it looks cool, but it's the inside not the outside kind of a thing.Ha, yeah?  I mean, I don't get it, but I usually don't get it.  I thoroughly enjoyed Total Recall, though.> I do have to deal with people masturbating in public tho. Please do not elaborate.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2Y0wOsPYd1oywEUK by p
       2024-05-19T06:05:47.548108Z
       
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       @0 @Suiseiseki @amerika @ins0mniak @romin @taylan We're going to be dealing with the HeLa cells from this tumor for centuries.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2Y1ooy4laKbXYpea by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-19T06:05:55.877795Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @romin idk it just looks kinda cool. Certainly can't be of any pragmatic use.Oh yeah, you don't take the subway do you.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2Y6RSCNktza27CVc by p
       2024-05-19T06:06:47.199563Z
       
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       @0 @ins0mniak @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin @taylanbeatings.png
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2Y9PA9MBnJLL5NvE by p
       2024-05-19T06:07:19.326705Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @ins0mniak @0 @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin @taylan :brandt:
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2YLocmW4chmpOboW by r000t@ligma.pro
       2024-05-19T06:09:33Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @pBut I'm always exhausted @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @ins0mniak @taylan @graf @romin
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2YNhx2IZLPfWlw80 by p
       2024-05-19T06:09:54.421378Z
       
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       @YTFoidLover1488 @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @romin @sun Ha, I have read exactly one article from them but I enjoyed it a great deal.  ( https://www.nplusonemag.com/issue-25/on-the-fringe/uncanny-valley/ ) .  This one looks promising.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2YTZTAkJjr6JbE7E by graf@poa.st
       2024-05-19T06:10:56.278708Z
       
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       @r000t @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin based mcdonalds enjoyer?
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2YUU04ZBKWQZQIAi by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-19T06:10:50.632682Z
       
       2 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @ins0mniak @taylan @romin Preempting the singularity by making sure it has synth-cancer, please follow me on substack.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2Yo05DVUPDQv8UBE by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-19T06:14:38.187333Z
       
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       @0 @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin The singularity is getting smoked by the f-150
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2YwhBZ8YkTQhFfPM by p
       2024-05-19T06:16:13.812232Z
       
       2 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @not_br549 @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin :alexjoneswat4: So they catch fire?:elon: And explode.:alexjoneswarface2: ...:elonjoint: It's fine, just avoid the blast radius.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2Z75qGJtxInPFGFc by p
       2024-05-19T06:18:06.561918Z
       
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       @0 @not_br549 @Suiseiseki @amerika @ins0mniak @romin @taylan I think there's considerably less traffic where you live, so you are unlikely to be packed in place next to one on the freeway.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2ZBuVhsUAp6EvZDs by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-19T06:18:43.148181Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @not_br549 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin One time I saw three pickups at the same intersection.  "Gosh, it's a traffic jam."
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2ZC7XbQkPlVsulU0 by p
       2024-05-19T06:19:01.075147Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @ins0mniak @0 @Suiseiseki @amerika @not_br549 @romin @taylan :trumpsmug:
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2ZHiRDfwUROZb4D2 by p
       2024-05-19T06:20:01.746843Z
       
       12 likes, 7 repeats
       
       @ins0mniak @0 @Suiseiseki @amerika @not_br549 @romin @taylantrumptinder.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2ZRQMlikcyF690qm by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-19T06:21:46.318460Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @not_br549 @taylan @romin confidence is key. I wonder if it works better if your talking someone else up tho.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2Zh5N1YCmbl4jQYa by p
       2024-05-19T06:24:36.847958Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @0 @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin @taylan I have taken a lot of trains but that did not happen to me.Please do not elaborate.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2Zqjfp4d8pMY7ssi by not_br549@jollyville.net
       2024-05-19T06:26:20.749304Z
       
       2 likes, 1 repeats
       
       I was kidding about Elixir, anyhow.  Last time I did any real coding was in the '90s.  I did some TMS320 assembly in the '80s, used Turbo Pascal at home, and poked around some other things like Forth (and a derivative, Fifth).  I took a course in Ada (because reasons), but thankfully never needed to use it for anything. Ugh. And then in the '90s, worked for a while on a telco infrastructure project.  It was mostly in C, good old K&R C, on an i960 ...  cross compiled from a Sun network running Solaris. I maintained a make file for the project.  Little sed and awk one-liner scripts needed maintenance now and again. I sort of imagine Elixir to be like that MMI ("Man Machine Interface") interpreter the telco project was building.  Unreadable, unwriteable, but the old telco guys could speed-type it.. Since 2000, I got promoted up way past my competence level, and shuffled papers until retirement a few years ago.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2Zrktq06mlSGASyO by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-19T06:26:31.242692Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @romin weird shit seems to happen underground man
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2a0FtidOpBuVAJSC by p
       2024-05-19T06:28:04.716440Z
       
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       @r000t @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @ins0mniak @taylan @graf @romin There is still hope.  ¬((A→B)→(B→A))
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2a2pxpVnBMLaJr4i by p
       2024-05-19T06:28:32.707057Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @graf @r000t @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @ins0mniak @taylan @rominback_from_mcdonalds.png
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2a82nNETjtaguZ7Y by not_br549@jollyville.net
       2024-05-19T06:29:28.391510Z
       
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       that's the key.  always be talking someone else up.  especially if it's someone who hates you.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2aEQ8HNWADhujL2u by tyler@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T06:30:37.426833Z
       
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       That's a cool life story Mayne King shit
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2aFez3eBXW3c0YrY by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-19T06:30:51.008365Z
       
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       @not_br549 @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin yeah, altruistic positivity or something.I should try that sometime
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2aLMHi5DCpngRwRc by Spingebill@poa.st
       2024-05-19T06:31:53.223799Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin those cold cuts sandwiches they sell in convenience stores in Italy are absolute bangers. I am very jealous of il goybrodaglia d'Italia
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2aZwVoBfcmDBzxvU by not_br549@jollyville.net
       2024-05-19T06:34:30.863804Z
       
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       I always revert to goth-girl like cynicism, for some reason.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2adQmc63PUxrWR6m by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-19T06:35:08.693306Z
       
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       @not_br549 @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @0 @taylan @romin I kinda feel that.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2afwMRf5AdTsTjyi by p
       2024-05-19T06:35:36.730822Z
       
       5 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @0 @Suiseiseki @amerika @ins0mniak @not_br549 @romin @taylan Whereas if I saw that, I'd expect they were here to do the lawn.motorboating.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2aoJXNNPILg4aIZU by p
       2024-05-19T06:37:07.531606Z
       
       4 likes, 2 repeats
       
       @ins0mniak @0 @Suiseiseki @amerika @not_br549 @romin @taylan CHOOSE YOUR FIGHTER:cybertaco.giftrumptacoloop.gif
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2b8TqkkDWTS9GQJk by p
       2024-05-19T06:40:46.207012Z
       
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       @not_br549 @amerika @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin > good old K&R C, on an i960A rare situation!> I sort of imagine Elixir to be like that MMI ("Man Machine Interface") interpreter the telco project was building. Unreadable, unwriteable, but the old telco guys could speed-type it.. That sounds cool, but Elixir is more like a Very Namespaced version of Erlang with Ruby skin, but also sometimes random games played with punctuation.  (I still have not played with LFE.  I could not get it to compile last time I tried, but that has been at least ten years.)> Since 2000, I got promoted up way past my competence level, and shuffled papers until retirement a few years ago. The nice thing about coding is that it's work that you can do into your 80s.  I like having work that I will not ever have to stop doing until I am too crazy to know the difference.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2bBb8U6zNqv22oFc by p
       2024-05-19T06:41:20.012061Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @0 @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin @taylan I feel like you are elaborating.  I am very eager to never know anything about this.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2bCqbY5JNtBTEbk8 by not_br549@jollyville.net
       2024-05-19T06:41:32.789920Z
       
       3 likes, 1 repeats
       
       I need to log off the shitpost network and figure out how git works.  I have this idea that it's like the RCS we used on the telco project, but every time I look at a git repo, I can't find the actual code .. just a complicated tree with a bunch of meta-information.  Gotta be some code in there somewhere
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2bITo1lLjgDEl09A by p
       2024-05-19T06:42:34.634823Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @tyler @not_br549 @amerika @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin have you not overdosed on shake-and-bake crank yet
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2bJByVXkGNCTzzai by realman543@annihilation.social
       2024-05-19T06:42:42.041857Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @not_br549 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin Man I want cereal and a cookie now.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2bSijj6cbLPmd26S by p
       2024-05-19T06:44:25.681036Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @Spingebill @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin Oh, man, I expect that kind of thing from Italy.  If I ever make it up over there, there's probably no way it can actually match my expectations.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2bjseBVmNX4iDdBY by tyler@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T06:47:31.354052Z
       
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       You can rewind history, and there's a ton of git history visualizers out there
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2bm4FlKbeTeLq304 by tyler@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T06:47:54.928159Z
       
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       Idk what that means pal but I hope you have a good night
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2bwZUq1bWXRctmNc by not_br549@jollyville.net
       2024-05-19T06:49:48.730774Z
       
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       Yeah, RCS allowed you to rewind history, too. You could never (easily) make the same binary, because there would be timestamps on things, but you could wind it back a version.  It was essential on a project with a dozen or more people working on it.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2cEPwkGn0r2SSgQi by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-19T06:53:01.553788Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @taylan @romin
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2cNxszS9lUuFG2lc by p
       2024-05-19T06:54:46.410585Z
       
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       @not_br549 @tyler @amerika @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin It is like RCS, kind of.  Take RCS, then move all the ,v files into a subdirectory.  Then, instead of storing the history per file, just save the contents of the files named after their hashes, and the state of the repo can be described in terms of a list of SHA-1 hashes mapped to filenames.  Then you can hash that list, and put that into the bucket full of content-addressed data, that's a commit.  Pack some more metadata in there, you can have commit messages and authors.  To link it to the previous state (providing history), just add a reference to the hash of the file describing the parent commit.  Shove the hash into a file at a predictable location (say, .git/refs/heads/master) and you've got a way to figure out what the current branch is called.  Make a new file, you have a new branch.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2cVCJODV4lfr3S76 by p
       2024-05-19T06:56:04.842130Z
       
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       @realman543 @0 @Suiseiseki @amerika @ins0mniak @not_br549 @romin @taylan I have cereal here, I kind of want a taco.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2cpeFg2tWu7X4OMy by Doll@decayable.ink
       2024-05-19T06:59:45.304449Z
       
       3 likes, 2 repeats
       
       Men only want one thing and it's a taco and maybe some cereal later.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2d12TwIcQmSDAkcK by Ai2ObsFjnLcY8CdUMi.KuteboiCoder@subs4social.xyz
       2024-05-19T07:01:49.600Z
       
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       @not_br549@jollyville.net same tbh
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2d3ERUnjHk814igq by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-19T07:02:13.194712Z
       
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       @p @amerika @realman543 @Suiseiseki @0 @not_br549 @taylan @romin I like those cheesy potatoes from Taco Bell
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2dDKYYvMtbzDCCcC by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-19T07:04:02.016845Z
       
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       @Doll @amerika @realman543 @Suiseiseki @p @0 @not_br549 @taylan @romin you don't have to snuggle with a taco
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2dLpM2In0hoyO8ky by Doll@decayable.ink
       2024-05-19T07:05:34.345861Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       True. You do have to tell the cereal that it looks pretty though.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2dv3dbBmkmFtP0LY by realman543@annihilation.social
       2024-05-19T07:11:57.345521Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @ins0mniak @amerika @Doll @Suiseiseki @p @0 @not_br549 @taylan @romin I want a bed made of tacos.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2e6OEkwRalKQBaj2 by Doll@decayable.ink
       2024-05-19T07:13:59.282438Z
       
       4 likes, 3 repeats
       
       Best I can do is a cat.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2eUMMbYgpET5HqGe by Doll@decayable.ink
       2024-05-19T07:18:19.588356Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       Tell that to my cat.  🙄
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2fL0fEy18yW56oTI by Doll@decayable.ink
       2024-05-19T07:27:50.225925Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2g0LvqnYJuLnalhA by Doll@decayable.ink
       2024-05-19T07:35:18.655362Z
       
       4 likes, 1 repeats
       
       Depends on your AI. Mine keeps putting my cat-thulhus into business suits.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2gYrDsxwhdF9TsH2 by p
       2024-05-19T07:41:33.733591Z
       
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       @Doll @realman543 @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @not_br549 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin I'm ambitious:  I want several tacos.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2gd0bW1rJFUrVsHo by Doll@decayable.ink
       2024-05-19T07:42:18.056915Z
       
       6 likes, 0 repeats
       
       *Men only want one thing and it's several tacos.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2giNtmqamtBxcfUu by p
       2024-05-19T07:43:17.040322Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @Doll @ins0mniak @amerika @realman543 @Suiseiseki @0 @not_br549 @taylan @romin And waste precious time while it gets soggy?  No fuckin' thanks, the second the milk touches it is GO TIME.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2gm9E3LMRWqHtdw0 by p
       2024-05-19T07:43:57.841094Z
       
       6 likes, 2 repeats
       
       @Doll @realman543 @ins0mniak @amerika @Suiseiseki @0 @not_br549 @taylan @romin A...a taco cat!palindrome.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2gr160zrSN4oSUKm by Frank_O_Pinon@poa.st
       2024-05-19T07:44:50.198133Z
       
       4 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @Doll @p @amerika @realman543 @Suiseiseki @0 @not_br549 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin Softshell as God intended.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2gsHIoEA2Ld52o6a by p
       2024-05-19T07:45:04.322771Z
       
       3 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @Doll @cowanon @amerika @realman543 @Suiseiseki @0 @not_br549 @ins0mniak @taylan @romincat_team_attack.gif
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2hv51MRhVOMVmbkO by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T07:56:46.363640Z
       
       0 likes, 0 repeats
       
       Youre making me rethink my breakfast
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2i0ZtL64hlYNeW5Q by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T07:57:46.179977Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       So much coded vagina talk in this thread
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2i18AtdIx1sg81Am by Doll@decayable.ink
       2024-05-19T07:57:51.772262Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       My powers grow ever stronger by the day.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2iHXlEGxIVrrwtV2 by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T08:00:50.165415Z
       
       4 likes, 0 repeats
       
       instead of just having bacon and eggs, i shall tacofy them.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2iLOgXxOYssYb1sm by Doll@decayable.ink
       2024-05-19T08:01:31.399075Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       Breakfast tacos are excellent. Also huevos rancheros.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2iMdpl7WgO9QUyQq by Frank_O_Pinon@poa.st
       2024-05-19T08:01:45.408514Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @Xenophon @amerika @realman543 @Doll @Suiseiseki @p @0 @not_br549 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin A vagina that has coded would be a necrophiliacs dream.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2iNzaPjMJru9xuAy by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T08:02:00.089212Z
       
       5 likes, 0 repeats
       
       >Rancher ballsNo Doll, I'm not quite that gay.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2iQo3V3gyP0kuafY by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T08:02:30.254622Z
       
       3 likes, 1 repeats
       
       >quick get the bacon and eggs. this taco has coded. It's ready to eat.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2iSd4oqeAfXZOjui by syrenka@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T08:02:50.404827Z
       
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       get the tea started -- i'll get started on the rest 🍋  where's the honey jar gone off to?
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2iTQ82TSrTfkHVEe by Frank_O_Pinon@poa.st
       2024-05-19T08:02:59.030210Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @Doll @Xenophon @amerika @realman543 @Suiseiseki @p @0 @not_br549 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin Frittatas.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2iUVTI5yfgX3jvA8 by PodunkPotato@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T08:03:10.869261Z
       
       0 likes, 0 repeats
       
       How many cowboys on that rancheros?
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2iWfdBIGCecXOiBM by Doll@decayable.ink
       2024-05-19T08:03:33.816560Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       How about some toast?
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2icTIO4LTY6IRBke by syrenka@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T08:04:37.012472Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2inWDnWxosMQYhCS by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T08:06:36.886258Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       That this show used to air during Sunday services should tell you something about the intentions of Nickelodeon
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2irifnB6hS8Xeivo by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T08:07:22.114071Z
       
       2 likes, 1 repeats
       
       18 cowboys in the showers at Ram Ranch
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2itO5ChdEArBKyLA by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T08:07:40.516543Z
       
       0 likes, 0 repeats
       
       This gave me a tummy boner.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2iycWiQdkX6KhWCm by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T08:08:37.007481Z
       
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       i see this was a cyber truck thread. I have had the mispleasure of seeing these drive around near me. I've never seen an uglier car.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2j6EXPVCl91Aejom by PodunkPotato@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T08:09:59.652706Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       For too long we have used foreign influence for breakfast sandwiches, The Bagel, The English Muffin, The Croissant. It's time we had our own.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2j7TEyK8lKuHcbGi by syrenka@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T08:10:13.299700Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       :animu_giggle: help found in james 4:7 🤭  Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2jAtaEpzjxTdCZqi by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
       2024-05-19T08:10:50.554661Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @PodunkPotato @Xenophon @amerika @realman543 @Doll @Suiseiseki @p @0 @not_br549 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin Donut ?
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2jCGPXS2geZ3qjTM by Doll@decayable.ink
       2024-05-19T08:11:04.574403Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       And creating a show called 'You Can't Do That On Television' that centers around kids being 'slimed' should tell you the rest.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2jH474bMyzs5VC40 by PodunkPotato@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T08:11:57.097600Z
       
       0 likes, 0 repeats
       
       No! The Kaiser Bun.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2jK4eV3OEsPcZVzM by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T08:12:29.828402Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       :nicechan_sad: the slime was cum
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2jMBO2z9ursWsj20 by syrenka@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T08:12:52.924793Z
       
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       hey, even Jesus had a sense of humour!
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2jNgQl3ELMRrrhfU by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T08:13:08.963305Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       White bread
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2jQvRPhNIZs6iZ60 by Frank_O_Pinon@poa.st
       2024-05-19T08:13:44.182290Z
       
       5 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @syrenka @Xenophon @amerika @realman543 @Doll @Suiseiseki @p @0 @not_br549 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin I just noticed I'm in this thread with like 12 other people and half of them have me blocked. That's kinda wild
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2jVsB3GFcnCGQKiO by syrenka@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T08:14:37.866613Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       gotta be doing something right :kiriwink:
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2jZig8WDuAtanWD2 by Frank_O_Pinon@poa.st
       2024-05-19T08:15:19.607700Z
       
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       @syrenka @amerika @realman543 @Doll @Suiseiseki @p @0 @not_br549 @ins0mniak @Xenophon @taylan @romin I am a professional retard.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2jkDJdSvieoKHF1E by syrenka@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T08:17:13.291527Z
       
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       i feel ya.  this is how i imagine my future husband:😂
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2joRG9Z4brDOf9xw by Twoinchdestroya@poa.st
       2024-05-19T08:17:59.158676Z
       
       5 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @Doll @amerika @realman543 @Suiseiseki @p @0 @not_br549 @ins0mniak @Xenophon @taylan @romin The studio the brought feet into front and center of their business
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2jsDDPirSOofBHBQ by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
       2024-05-19T08:18:40.133447Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @Frank_O_Pinon @syrenka @amerika @realman543 @Doll @Suiseiseki @p @0 @not_br549 @ins0mniak @Xenophon @taylan @romin Not only have I worked hard to attain this level of retardation, I’ve also convinced other retards to pay me for it.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2jtebbN8gg3SBLk0 by Doll@decayable.ink
       2024-05-19T08:18:55.079666Z
       
       5 likes, 0 repeats
       
       Breakfast pharmaceuticals.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2k3lmbXd2bD99URM by PodunkPotato@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T08:20:45.533776Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       And all the men responsible for this were jews... And now you know the rest of the story.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2kEzX4lGAd2XEurg by PodunkPotato@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T08:22:47.154054Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       There is a simple starch, many have relied upon...
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2kFCfLvnW1lyDD4S by syrenka@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T08:22:49.420985Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       I feel like goin' through stop lights / Lookin' at the cops like, there's tacos to lose* in the tune of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXrMVO1-Hnk
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2kSFYwTO56WMR0tc by Doll@decayable.ink
       2024-05-19T08:25:10.050319Z
       
       5 likes, 0 repeats
       
       That's riceist.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2kT6VvbKA6kMQr3Y by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T08:25:19.727916Z
       
       4 likes, 0 repeats
       
       I got you
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2kU8W9dYN3Fb1wIK by PodunkPotato@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T08:25:31.357127Z
       
       0 likes, 0 repeats
       
       Hello again, Syrenka. Good morning.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2klyxLvNICoEGHEu by Doll@decayable.ink
       2024-05-19T08:28:44.297387Z
       
       6 likes, 0 repeats
       
       
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2kuwFHNAP50Xuvjc by PodunkPotato@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T08:30:21.882305Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       I live wherever I want and use a time randomizer. If my greetings don't conform to your standards, tough luck.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2kwZFRqZYEGJlzWK by Doll@decayable.ink
       2024-05-19T08:30:38.986248Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       I'm going to give it another try.Goodnight, fedibabies. 💤
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2kyMeReWV5lzK1OS by brokeassredneck@poa.st
       2024-05-19T08:30:59.163069Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @cowanon @amerika @realman543 @Suiseiseki @p @0 @not_br549 @ins0mniak @PodunkPotato @Xenophon @syrenka @taylan @romin you may need a nap @Doll
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2l7w3nNA82CKk8jg by PodunkPotato@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T08:32:42.930507Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       Good Night, Doll. Tell Sui he's a gay for me before you nod off.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2l9bu9HWCuGX1u8e by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
       2024-05-19T08:32:59.322108Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       Don't appropriate my culture. 🙄
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2lryrRI9dUClv5Lk by Twoinchdestroya@poa.st
       2024-05-19T08:41:02.299067Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @PodunkPotato @amerika @realman543 @Doll @Suiseiseki @p @0 @not_br549 @ins0mniak @Xenophon @taylan @romin footfags = jewthanks tater
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2m4888edPgQcWYQC by PodunkPotato@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T08:43:13.804212Z
       
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       Mostly any fetishist, really. Hard presses to think of one not.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2nBthSI2VDwbJKQi by p
       2024-05-19T08:55:50.870228Z
       
       5 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @syrenka @Xenophon @Doll @amerika @socjuswiz @realman543 @Suiseiseki @0 @not_br549 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin @socjuswiz No, that is a lazy burrito.partyguns.gif
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2nOKc839MAtLkSfY by p
       2024-05-19T08:58:05.701363Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @syrenka @0 @Doll @DiamondMind @Xenophon @amerika @ins0mniak @not_br549 @realman543 @romin @socjuswiz @socjuswiz @taylan Or hail Satan, you know.  Whichever.sapptime.gif
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2nfcdcI3VhiOgmoq by syrenka@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T09:01:12.579097Z
       
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 (DIR) Post #Ai2o3u9YowJ6zID33Y by syrenka@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T09:05:36.208890Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       and in a surprising turn of events in the welterweight division, the eventual knockout was carried out by the mermaid.  the gloves were off, so what took him out?  prior to the chips flying everywhere, it looked like something you'd recall from your grandma's cupboard...
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2oIBTLE2yukvGqG0 by syrenka@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T09:08:10.932419Z
       
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 (DIR) Post #Ai2oIfrqDWP91axpbs by Ai2ObsFjnLcY8CdUMi.KuteboiCoder@subs4social.xyz
       2024-05-19T09:08:16.196Z
       
       1 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @not_br549@jollyville.net @tyler@nicecrew.digital @blueberry@fosstodon.org @MK2boogaloo@lab.nyanide.com @kirby@lab.nyanide.com I love #shitposting in my #git commits
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2riBnKwsuX9DiPGi by threat@shitposter.world
       2024-05-19T09:46:29.658194Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @admin @Suiseiseki @0 @ongo @taylan @romin @sun @tinfoil-hat i look for the horror in things.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2t3MPYlv5g6rFjg8 by menherahair@eientei.org
       2024-05-19T10:01:21.203038Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin>I feel it's less Perl-y if it's not a hack, to say nothing of an effort to standardize around One Way To Do It.It'd totally be that, except we already had exactly that (Moose) so now it's an improvement.>It becomes turkey bacon:  by trying to appeal to people that don't want to eat bacon, it discards the things that make people eat bacon, becoming unwanted by everyone.Oh, perl7 wasn't like this. It'd basically be a perl5 binary where you don't have to put "use strict" and "use feature 'signatures'" on top of every file, which you're hopefully doing anyway. So you get the same bacon, but it doesn't work with the 1994 recipes, which are the reason for perl's reputation but rarely recommended today. And perl5 would still stay around, because of course it would, it's perl. See...>Well, like, I don't like Perl, but that's a style thing, right?I'm not sure? Perl is crufty as fuck. People who like perl don't like a lot of perl they write, which is probably still perl v5.005 for work. The dirty and hacky Perl that runs 1994 scripts is one likeable beast, and then Modern Perl is another one you may like instead. So perl7 was supposed to showcase the latter, because perl5 has failed to signal to people that it gets a major version update with features and improvements every year since forever, and it probably hurt the adoption.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2uS9IWlRlGdILbHs by OddBound@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T10:17:12.647436Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai2upLkwbuvVvqhbE0 by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T10:21:24.209644Z
       
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       >illuminatiYou mean jews
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3LvaJG6yk7ZJwxge by not_br549@jollyville.net
       2024-05-19T15:25:03.819655Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       "That's the spirit!"  -- Peter Daszak
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3QlBxwGZDswUqES0 by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T16:19:12.780306Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       >the HUMAN racekek.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3Qml5PAtpa9k543V by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-19T16:19:29.567015Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @DiamondMind @amerika @realman543 @Terry @sjw @Doll @p @0 @not_br549 @Xenophon @syrenka @taylan @romin
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3UQqlDnQw7CWRsmW by cunt@annihilation.social
       2024-05-19T17:00:21.415326Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @DiamondMind @amerika @realman543 @Terry @sjw @Doll @p @0 @not_br549 @ins0mniak @Xenophon @syrenka @taylan @romin @socjuswiz i hate everyone on earth so fuck everyone hahaha
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3Ue8VR89us0BOuZs by cunt@annihilation.social
       2024-05-19T17:02:45.653892Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @DiamondMind @amerika @realman543 @Terry @sjw @Doll @p @0 @not_br549 @ins0mniak @Xenophon @syrenka @taylan @romin @socjuswiz wich they broke and forgot about
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3UuiS7Fa507Zkm7k by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-19T17:05:28.690282Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @DiamondMind @amerika @realman543 @Terry @sjw @Doll @p @not_br549 @ins0mniak @Xenophon @syrenka @taylan @romin @socjuswiz They are giving themselves what they deserve, we don't need to act at all, just enjoy the show.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3VJJWR4sfC2aVG52 by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-19T17:09:56.459364Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @DiamondMind @amerika @realman543 @Terry @sjw @Doll @p @not_br549 @ins0mniak @Xenophon @syrenka @taylan @romin @socjuswiz Bless their fragile hearts.  :)
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3VmtMEvAEpa3q0oK by cunt@annihilation.social
       2024-05-19T17:15:32.858590Z
       
       3 likes, 2 repeats
       
       @DiamondMind @amerika @realman543 @Terry @sjw @Doll @p @0 @not_br549 @ins0mniak @Xenophon @syrenka @taylan @romin @socjuswiz im retired hah fuck everyone who still works
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3Z5rDnO4M4Jtchxg by realman543@annihilation.social
       2024-05-19T17:52:35.509667Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @DiamondMind @amerika @cunt @Terry @sjw @Doll @p @0 @not_br549 @ins0mniak @Xenophon @syrenka @taylan @romin @socjuswiz Except they are vaxxing the wild animals which proves this was never about "nature" but instead about power and control because these people are fucked in the head.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3bq2EeyBGXhyAsee by ruin@mai.waifuism.life
       2024-05-19T18:22:18.351Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @taylan@pl.tkammer.de @0@gh0st.live @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @p@fsebugoutzone.org @romin@shitposter.world @sun@shitposter.world You would be seething even harder if I told you some details about her, but I'm not going to because my beautiful gf is not a prop to be used as an argument against weird incels on the Internetthey are literally doing this? do they not notice they are literally doing this? are they this not selfaware?
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3dXySEUMiIg32Sg4 by realman543@annihilation.social
       2024-05-19T18:42:29.695241Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @DiamondMind @amerika @cunt @Terry @sjw @Doll @p @0 @not_br549 @ins0mniak @Xenophon @syrenka @taylan @romin @socjuswiz "Anarchy".
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3dv4OAagKhk89R9k by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-19T18:46:40.164003Z
       
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       @menherahair @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin Perl is great as a glue language which knits together lots of different stuff.For anything more serious, you write C
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3eC3tnfIJB9A349Q by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-19T18:49:44.351481Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @0 @Suiseiseki @p @not_br549 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin All socialized costs get passed down to the consumer.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3eFnqHJ1LEVQBWs4 by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-19T18:50:25.023731Z
       
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       @p @menherahair @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin "Perl is just going to cause trouble for itself if it tries to not be Perl."The Metallica problem again.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3eG0VqCJiZnnitJw by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-19T18:50:10.605003Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @not_br549 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin Why you holding that bag then?
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3eNIXDadOFixqNDk by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-19T18:51:46.304461Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin "The enemy of a good business is unpredictability, this necessitates tamping down individuals."I disagree here: you mean the enemy of business is labor instability, perhaps, but having better quality staff is not a bad thing.The question is whether the audience will support it.So far, "cheap and mediocre" is more popular than "good but not cheap" or "excellent but expensive."
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3eSrvFRmbYvOjw4e by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-19T18:52:46.643509Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin I think so, but the center of the bell curve can always shift to the right.The main problem is that most jobs are designed for the convenience of management, not business objectives.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3eW5RjcbpjjmTBq4 by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-19T18:53:21.570528Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin Hitler = JavaScript.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3eYlhlTbI3NZFKs4 by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-19T18:53:50.644122Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @0 @Suiseiseki @p @not_br549 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin Because it's inevitable.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3eaJggcDT941TpWC by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-19T18:54:07.341326Z
       
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       @DiamondMind @cunt @realman543 @Terry @sjw @Doll @p @0 @not_br549 @ins0mniak @Xenophon @syrenka @taylan @romin @socjuswiz Demotic?
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3ecWPkGiJx79bjdI by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-19T18:54:13.906814Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @not_br549 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin Then stop complaining, Calvinist.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3eswdmWkQV5U0JqS by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-19T18:57:29.266595Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @0 @Suiseiseki @p @not_br549 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin It is what it is.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3f4iyb9kpaBRMFdo by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-19T18:59:18.780366Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @p @not_br549 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin It's just meaningless to a) say that participation and outcome are predetermined, and b) bemoan it.  Like nigger, not only is participation optional, but the outcome isn't predestined.  You need to somehow not pull blackpills out of the bag because a bad car was made.  If the big 4 wasn't apocalypse then we will survive Tesla.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3gLxwgr1WVUFFbGK by p
       2024-05-19T19:13:56.620894Z
       
       3 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @Doll @PodunkPotato @amerika @realman543 @Suiseiseki @0 @not_br549 @ins0mniak @Xenophon @syrenka @taylan @romin No sleep, only knives.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3gvDW0xT4HuXaAAy by p
       2024-05-19T19:20:18.870754Z
       
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       @threat @0 @Suiseiseki @admin @ongo @romin @sun @taylan @tinfoil-hatthehorror.gif
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3h3pTfhQUHxuapf6 by threat@shitposter.world
       2024-05-19T19:21:51.726471Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @admin @Suiseiseki @0 @ongo @taylan @romin @sun @tinfoil-hat look real close at the adam's apple in this jiff.  does it remind you of anything?  no?  lay down after a shower and let your balls hang.  be still and quiet and watch them move autonomously to thermo-regulate.  damn science is amazeballs!
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai3j8PKmWkCQEtkIb2 by Doll@decayable.ink
       2024-05-19T19:45:05.757376Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       Shankin' bitches is a lifestyle.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai44Q6ThTEwK0YCFbE by p
       2024-05-19T23:43:36.717846Z
       
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       @menherahair @Suiseiseki @amerika @romin @taylan > It'd totally be that, except we already had exactly that (Moose) so now it's an improvement.Aha.> It'd basically be a perl5 binary where you don't have to put "use strict" and "use feature 'signatures'" on top of every file,Okay, right.  That makes sense.  That would have been a reasonable thing to do.> I'm not sure? Perl is crufty as fuck.Well, the "right?" was more a "you know?" than a question.  It's a style thing:  the reason I don't like Perl has more to do with how I think about programs and how they have to be expressed in Perl rather than objections to the language's design itself.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai45OSzet5vzDHvbvs by syrenka@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-19T23:54:31.026214Z
       
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       i can't stick around and i'm reading your contributions out of context, BUT... <insert noah harrari meme here, please and thank you> uber evil, innit?  and vegan homo cricket-eating trans supporting jew jabbing thing is more of an innit than an inn-he, i would say @Dan_Hulson would have to correct the british-ism 👑 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 esq... etc... :kek_eyeroll: XD
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai45cujgXTXpJDLVQm by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-19T23:57:07.244103Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @amerika @menherahair @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin I regret not learning perl back in the day.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai4B0JCmEEZFd7vbUW by p
       2024-05-20T00:57:23.119796Z
       
       16 likes, 9 repeats
       
       @cunt @DiamondMind @0 @Doll @Terry @Xenophon @amerika @ins0mniak @not_br549 @realman543 @romin @sjw @socjuswiz @syrenka @taylanalway-rember-lazy.png
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai4B8I3gNMPgOGTpXU by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-20T00:58:49.025878Z
       
       5 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @amerika @cunt @realman543 @Terry @sjw @Doll @DiamondMind @0 @not_br549 @Xenophon @syrenka @taylan @romin Im gonna do some drinking
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai4BfzB15GWjfwygUq by p
       2024-05-20T01:04:55.049138Z
       
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       @ruin @Suiseiseki @taylan @0 @romin @sun I don't think he is self-aware, but it is not the case that he is using her as a prop in an argument with weird incels on the internet:  he was using her as a prop in an argument with weird sex-havers on the internet.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai4BnbDq1vEphNvbQO by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-20T01:06:16.880651Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @Suiseiseki @0 @ruin @taylan @romin @sun Or this crazy thought....we could just party and have fun on the net.Shit belongs to us anyway.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai4CU4YnLHU4qqz18q by p
       2024-05-20T01:13:58.168437Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @amerika @Suiseiseki @menherahair @romin @taylan Perl is suing Napster?
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai4HRyCsUcteL1Y4Ku by p
       2024-05-20T02:09:36.874144Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan > you mean the enemy of business is labor instability,I do not.  A business is essentially the embodiment of low time-preference.  Labor instability is one form of unpredictability.  If one of your vendors has frequent price fluctuations, that causes a problem.  You cannot tell a customer that you will do something and how much it will cost them if you cannot predict your own costs and lead times, and if suppliers cannot predict theirs, you cannot predict yours.  If you cannot predict demand, then you do not know how much to spend on production.  The ideal scenario for a business is to know exactly what is happening tomorrow, and standing in the middle of competitors that have no idea what is going to happen tomorrow.> So far, "cheap and mediocre" is more popular than "good but not cheap" or "excellent but expensive." Depends on the market.  There is no market for mediocre yachts or rockets.  Nobody bores a hole in a mountain and builds their own power plant and backup power system, but then goes cheap on the supercomputer they have built this facility to house.The concept of going for the broadest possible appeal reinforces my point:  Paul Allen dies, and the entire yacht industry takes a hit.  Large businesses typically go for the broadest possible market.  This gives you predictable sales figures at the cost of trading the high end of the market to niche competitors, a trade-off businesses are usually willing to make.90, 95% of anything you buy is the whatever garbage option, and then 5-10% you care about because you know a thing or two about it and care.  I have some very specific computing hardware that very few people want, and in my kitchen, I have the stamped steel bullshit knives everyone else has.  I figure the opposite case is true for most chefs.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai4IaiPcgZAxufFB8C by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-20T02:22:23.796770Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin On the contrary, there is a huge market for mediocre yachts. Most boats in fact are rather inexpensive compared to the billionaire water chariots.Unpredictability is part of business and when it does not occur, it usually means that the market has entered its mature or decline phases. That is not really good news for anyone.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai4JvtZWUOIIYkXP28 by p
       2024-05-20T02:37:25.969910Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan > I think so, but the center of the bell curve can always shift to the right.No, not likely.  If you have a normal distribution, you still have the same shape.  You can have a higher number under the crest of the bell curve, but you don't have a lopsided bell curve.> The main problem is that most jobs are designed for the convenience of management, not business objectives. You think these are different?  A sub-optimal team that a manager can manage will accomplish the business objectives more effectively than an excellent team of people that the manager does not know how to manage.Most people don't know how to operate a manual transmission, and although you can accelerate faster or optimize for higher gas mileage more effectively when you are shifting the gears yourself, if you put someone that can only drive an automatic into one of those cars, you'll hear that horrible screeching sound and they won't go anywhere.  They'll get there faster in the slowest automatic that they *can* drive than in a car they can't drive, no matter how fast.  Airplanes are really fast compared to a wood-paneled station wagon, but if you don't know how to fly, you will have to get out and walk.  You need to outfit a battalion and you decide to get them really nice guns and they will perform worse than the other battalion that has the same shitty gun they've logged a thousand hours with at the range and can disassemble and clean by rote.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai4K1tU3jIxY1WqIAC by p
       2024-05-20T02:38:31.020274Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan Yeah, I took your meaning; I was making a "learn to code" joke.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai4KGfV8025N06O50C by p
       2024-05-20T02:41:11.228700Z
       
       8 likes, 4 repeats
       
       @0 @amerika @Suiseiseki @ins0mniak @not_br549 @romin @taylansears.png
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai4KLCRHTkyQJXkTWC by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-20T02:41:59.997845Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin Oh. I was just riffing on the art student bit. I never really thought about art students much until recently.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai4KQiL4ItDMhJTLJg by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-20T02:42:59.801261Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin Let me put it this way: average IQs differ. The bell curve radiates out roughly from the mean.If the average IQ goes up, the bell curve shifts to the right. The shape stays the same, but the numbers change.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai4Kig6NMLNgyLAL4q by p
       2024-05-20T02:46:14.953182Z
       
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       @0 @amerika @Suiseiseki @ins0mniak @not_br549 @romin @taylan :bigbosssalute:
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai4RtnR97yeMaO86NM by Spingebill@poa.st
       2024-05-20T04:06:41.286989Z
       
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       @p @0 @amerika @Suiseiseki @not_br549 @ins0mniak @taylan @romin 
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai4aLY8UPPcAsA9EB6 by syrenka@nicecrew.digital
       2024-05-20T05:41:19.863042Z
       
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       fwd @syrenka
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai54dHFYvUPAL5pEi8 by p
       2024-05-20T11:20:42.247263Z
       
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       @syrenka @DiamondMind @amerika @realman543 @Terry @sjw @Doll @0 @not_br549 @ins0mniak @Xenophon @taylan @romin @socjuswiz @Dan_Hulson > Nice Crew Dot Diddlers Discuss Something Negative Without Blaming Jews> Difficulty level:  ImpossibleNuke Palestinethe_sexjew--d18e30317047861.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai559Bpmb6feoDz5ma by p
       2024-05-20T11:26:28.293669Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @0 @DiamondMind @Doll @Terry @Xenophon @amerika @cunt @not_br549 @realman543 @romin @sjw @syrenka @taylanalvistime.mp4
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai55FuIuAn96T0oDvk by p
       2024-05-20T11:27:41.133410Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @0 @Suiseiseki @romin @ruin @sun @taylan I like this idea better.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai5691ZMrTdUvZn7UO by NonPlayableClown@postnstuffds.lol
       2024-05-20T11:37:36.916767Z
       
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       >Nice Crew Dot DiddlersWait what?You sure you aren't talking about poast?I've not seen much of anyone on NCD post diddling shit.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai5HiupyT4O9y8sMGu by p
       2024-05-20T13:47:23.293765Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan > On the contrary, there is a huge market for mediocre yachts. Most boats in fact are rather inexpensive compared to the billionaire water chariots.Those are boats.  Nobody buys a sub-standard 400' yacht.  They'll buy a boat, a shitty boat, a good boat, but some markets are exclusively high-end, yachts are one of those markets.> Unpredictability is part of business and when it does not occur, it usually means that the market has entered its mature or decline phases. That is not really good news for anyone. Don't confuse "change" with "unpredictability" (which is change that you don't see coming).  When you learn to box, one of the first lessons you have to learn is to keep your eyes open when you are being punched in the face.  Reflexively, you close your eyes, but the second punch is the one that will hurt if your eyes are closed.  If you can predict what the other guy will do, and you can rely on your own body to do what you tell it, then that's the best position to be in:  if he surprises you or your body surprises you, then you are in a much worse position.So, "no change" is stagnation (it wouldn't be much of a fight if both boxers just sort of hung out), "no unpredictability" is a good position.  Netflix accurately predicted the feasibility of streaming and that as soon as it was feasible, it would be the dominant paradigm; Blockbuster did not.  Netflix was not surprised (in part because they pushed it; "the best way to predict the future is to create it"), Blockbuster was.  Blockbuster was sitting at the top of the market and could have, if they had even *noticed* what Neflix was doing and how fast their industry was about to change, burned a bunch of Viacom's money and been ready for the next round.  Blockbuster could have noticed that Youtube existed and that, because it was streamed, people would sit and watch a dopey video of two kids bashing each other over the head with garbage can lids, and that they would do this for hours rather than getting up and going to Blockbuster and caring about late fees to watch Stallone bash someone over the head.:ballmer: Microsoft completely failed to predict how the web would play out.  I remember some time around 2000 or 2001-ish (back when you could rely on a toilet having a stack of reading material next to it) reading an interview with Ballmer about MSN.  The interviewer remarked about their aggressive advertising strategy, and Ballmer said "I don't want someone to have an online experience without seeing at least one Microsoft ad" and as much as people hated banner ads back then (I retched a little; of course, now "Punch the Money" is mild compared to the dystopian horror of $current_year advertising methods) but the part that stuck out was the first half of that sentence:  "have an online experience".  It stuck out a little because of the boomer phrasing, but the thing that almost knocked my yet-unwiped ass off the throne was that he was viewing the net as a discrete thing, a channel you tuned your TV set to, one application of many available with Windows ME.  This was the complete opposite of how the net was used.  I was still on dial-up at that point (as I'm sure you remember, you couldn't even get a persistent connection in a lot of places) but even having to turn the connection on or off, it was a pervasive thing rather than a discrete application:  during the daytime when the rest of the family wanted to use the phone and I couldn't just stay dialed in (also I was using an account that was owned by a business--babby's first "Hey, they wrote their username and password on a Post-It note"), my computer felt half-broken if it wasn't online.  I didn't think, "Well, maybe once I'm done with these spreadsheets, I'll click on that retarded fucking butterly icon and have an online experience", it was "I can't use Napster or ICQ until after about 21:00".  So Ballmer was predicting a better AOL, and Microsoft shat the bed on everything remotely connected to networking for the 15 subsequent years.Holy fucking shit, do you remember those ads?  And they just kept doing them.  For years.:lebowski: So let's hear your pitch.  What direction do you want to take the ad campaign in?:brian3: We're gonna dress a guy up like the icon and have him follow people around.:lebowski: The icon's a butterfly.:brian3: Yeah.  Butterfly suit.:ballmer: Hell yeah!:lebowski: That's *it*?:ballmer: What more do we fuckin' need?!:lebowski: I...let's listen to the other proposals, okay?:ballmer: What do you want?:chotchkies: We'd like to take the brand in a direction that's--:ballmer: Fuck this guy, I want the butterfly suit.:lebowski: You realize we're going to be on every channel.  Billboards.  We're going to have, like...events.  We're spending ungodly amounts of money.  We really need to--:ballmer: WHOOOO YEAH!  You're right!  PUT THE BUTTERFLY SUIT GUY AT THE MSPDC!  Have him dance around!:lebowski: When Bill hears about this, he's gonna--:ballmer: Bill knows a good thing when he sees it!  Visual Basic, cocksucker!  Plus plus!  Hey, get that guy back in here.:lebowski: ...Hey, Brian?:chotchkies: My team and I spent a month working on this pitch.  We...we have a vision board.  I was so nervous about the presentation that I threw up on the way here.  Can you at least...look, here's the first slide--:ballmer: BRIAN!:brian3: Eh?:ballmer: Do you think you can make the guy dance at our Developer Conference?:brian3: The suit is spandex, he can dance anywhere.:ballmer: Hell yeah!:lebowski: ...:ballmer: DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERSmsn_butterfly_2.mp4msn.jpe
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai5Htr5gjnoXXDRTtY by p
       2024-05-20T13:49:21.929500Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan Well, maybe you should:  art students are easy.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai5IVtWq7ccC6GHSaW by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-20T13:56:13.684033Z
       
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       @p @amerika @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin art chick's are slutty af.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai5JWkoI7f6VItPvKS by p
       2024-05-20T14:07:36.031566Z
       
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       @NonPlayableClown @syrenka @amerika @realman543 @Terry @sjw @Doll @DiamondMind @0 @not_br549 @ins0mniak @Xenophon @taylan @Dan_Hulson @romin @socjuswiz Nice Crew Dot Digital is a website for people that want to fuck children.standard.gif
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai5KfLapLg4RedmTWS by ins0mniak@majestic12.airforce
       2024-05-20T14:20:20.157457Z
       
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       @p @amerika @realman543 @Terry @sjw @Doll @DiamondMind @0 @not_br549 @Xenophon @syrenka @taylan @NonPlayableClown @romin
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai5LNip8L36uRedFFw by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-20T14:28:22.401593Z
       
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       @p @Suiseiseki @taylan @romin The business parallel is that you know the other boxer is going to hit you. You do your best to cover all areas while positioning to strike back, but you rarely have mathematically certainty of what type of strike and where it is going to occur.The FARTNAG (Facebook, Apple, Reddit, Twitter, Netflix, Amazon, Google) types managed to make the net into television channels. People go online with an app to their favorite social media sites, and... well. That's about it for 99% of the audience.The rest of us are out here in Chiba City trying to hock a megabyte of memory from our cyberdecks.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai5LRXOOmVXw9MwjzM by amerika@annihilation.social
       2024-05-20T14:29:03.893469Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @Suiseiseki @p @taylan @romin I am probably the worst person for this conversation because I hate art and think art students are too flaky to interact with, but I suppose they'd make a good gumbo.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai5OTfPmE3C3TLIXVQ by p
       2024-05-20T15:03:04.063686Z
       
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       @ins0mniak @0 @DiamondMind @Doll @NonPlayableClown @Terry @Xenophon @amerika @not_br549 @realman543 @romin @sjw @syrenka @taylandickkickextremist_dot_xyz.gif
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai5PBvUboFUm4wf904 by p
       2024-05-20T15:11:03.993173Z
       
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       @amerika @Suiseiseki @romin @taylan > you rarely have mathematically certaintyIn neither of the examples that I gave was "mathematical certainty" considered.  If businesses relied on prophecy, we would not have any successful businesses.  The surveillance by the government and by large corporations, actual espionage, all of these things exist so that these organizations can have a clearer image of what is happening today, so that they have a more accurate prediction about what happens tomorrow, so that they are not surprised by anything.When I say "a business is the embodiment of low time-preference", it seems to me like the point is incontestable.  You cannot plan without a baseline level of predictability.  You cannot coordinate without a plan.  You cannot decide a specific goal and get a large number of people to work towards it unless you coordinate.19--smut_peddlers--denny_s_bulletin_freedom.mp3
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai5PLAoGEMgKBpGQgS by waltercool@pl.slash.cl
       2024-05-20T15:12:40.960458Z
       
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       @p @amerika @realman543 @Terry @sjw @Doll @DiamondMind @0 @not_br549 @ins0mniak @Xenophon @syrenka @taylan @NonPlayableClown @romin Boss!
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai5PqA6QuPdsyTXZD6 by NonPlayableClown@postnstuffds.lol
       2024-05-20T15:18:18.051787Z
       
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       Outer heaven in a nutshell.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai5PtlA1aK1AmBw5Gi by NonPlayableClown@postnstuffds.lol
       2024-05-20T15:18:58.723331Z
       
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       When haven't they been?
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai5QHPeXCbUj1LU9M8 by NonPlayableClown@postnstuffds.lol
       2024-05-20T15:23:14.915917Z
       
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       >becoming lesbians and bi-sexualsThey are just trying to get guy's attention. Now they are learning most men don't want to fuck land whales and have nearly infinite porn which women have to compete.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai5QssMRQeJ8lvt0AS by NonPlayableClown@postnstuffds.lol
       2024-05-20T15:30:00.719378Z
       
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       >does anyone here still think that the illuminati killing off 90% Honest humanity needs a big comet to hit earth and cause a mass extinction. We kinda deserve it.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai5WdMlpCPEYB1kMG8 by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-20T16:34:07.421885Z
       
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       @DiamondMind @amerika @cunt @realman543 @Terry @sjw @Doll @p @not_br549 @ins0mniak @Xenophon @syrenka @taylan @syrenka @romin @socjuswiz It sure would be nice if we could go a single week without Israel starting another front of a world war.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai5WuAePVqRPVmI9Mu by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-20T16:37:11.074955Z
       
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       @DiamondMind @amerika @realman543 @Terry @sjw @Doll @p @not_br549 @ins0mniak @Xenophon @syrenka @taylan @NonPlayableClown @romin Yeah, time to get rid of them.  #GetRidOfWomen #TheyAreUseless
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai5X3PF2dLcBN1pTsW by 0@gh0st.live
       2024-05-20T16:38:51.723482Z
       
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       @DiamondMind @amerika @realman543 @Terry @sjw @Doll @p @not_br549 @ins0mniak @Xenophon @syrenka @taylan @NonPlayableClown @romin We're getting most of that from Boomer die-off, once against Ol' Chuck Schwab takes credit for shit he had no effect on.His kid is also retarded and meaningless.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai6SqFYp6ulKvFVsv2 by Doll@decayable.ink
       2024-05-21T03:26:39.403296Z
       
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       I'd need a turkey baster and a volunteer and that's way too much effort for me.
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai6xpSyup8gMpsp9Oa by p
       2024-05-21T09:13:53.672374Z
       
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       @waltercool @0 @DiamondMind @Doll @NonPlayableClown @Terry @Xenophon @amerika @ins0mniak @not_br549 @realman543 @romin @sjw @syrenka @taylan Gotta keep morale up! :nakedsnakesmug:
       
 (DIR) Post #Ai734UdlRDjG5xuoE4 by NonPlayableClown@postnstuffds.lol
       2024-05-21T10:12:36.455286Z
       
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       Thank you big boss.