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(DIR) Post #AhtEQ7d23SmCNYeMAy by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2024-05-14T18:13:32Z
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No, but for real: I'm seriously worried that there is some kind of species-wide death urge that is way too likely to sweep all of us up with it, and it is legit terrifying.https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/raw-milk-sales-spike-despite-cdcs-warnings-of-risk-associated-with-bird-flu
(DIR) Post #AhtEmoO7kxrlMlUomO by Nonya_Bidniss@mas.to
2024-05-14T18:17:35Z
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@Wolven Interesting idea. Even if there was such a thing, it would almost certainly be expressed on a curve, as all manner of characteristics and behaviors are, and people on the low end would survive the urge, some not feeling it at all.
(DIR) Post #AhtF1VE1Ho5GHEm70a by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2024-05-14T18:19:31Z
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@Nonya_Bidniss Except the effects of the actions taken by people who would be feeling such a thing wouldn't stick to only them, they would spread out to even those who were actively pushing Against such a feeling.
(DIR) Post #AhtFP2gV3EmGi4JxSa by Nonya_Bidniss@mas.to
2024-05-14T18:24:31Z
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@Wolven Much like those who wouldn't protect themselves against COVID became threats to others? Let's say a third to a half of the population resist or don't feel the urge...that leaves the rest as either threats or obstacles to keeping society running. When I worked the H5N1 threat years ago in the IC, we projected the death toll & absenteeism would basically cripple public services & society at large for quite a while.
(DIR) Post #AhtHEErpcDoZDVb6Su by rmblaber1956@mastodon.social
2024-05-14T18:44:56Z
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@Wolven Not all of us - but a very large number of us, numbered in the billions, yes - & they will be the ones least responsible for causing the problems of climate change, biodiversity loss, etc.
(DIR) Post #AhtJ82kbx1wpoEOTGC by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2024-05-14T19:06:17Z
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@rmblaber1956 exactly :(
(DIR) Post #AhtJDL1zPejzx72ysy by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2024-05-14T19:07:16Z
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@Nonya_Bidniss Exactly. And yeah, that's precisely what I've been and am still worried about :(
(DIR) Post #AhtL5V0EecdkTFcH2W by jmelesky@tinylad.social
2024-05-14T19:13:08.785302Z
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@Wolven That framing reminds me of the run-up to World War I. A similar sense of nihilism in part of the ruling class, combined with a similar sense of “what we really need is some slaughter to toughen us up” in a different part of the ruling class.
(DIR) Post #AhtL5WhWLArHjmsM9A by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2024-05-14T19:28:11Z
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@jmelesky Yeah more mass death for sure isn't the answer
(DIR) Post #AhtLVzGIm38hqZlI36 by Hellybootwader@mastodon.scot
2024-05-14T19:33:01Z
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@Wolven I met someone near the start of COVID who was of a mind that they wouldn’t mind catching it to see if they could ‘beat’ it. This was before the vaccines were available. Wonder if there is a similar confrontational outlook to the raw milk drinkers?
(DIR) Post #AhtPUgeasBalf5l9tI by PeterWyrm@social.wxcafe.net
2024-05-14T20:19:10Z
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@Wolven The raw (😉) data is less alarming than the percentage increases. I am less concerned about farmers and their families who consume their own dairy products and more concerned about people who buy raw milk in a shop. I grew up (before bird flu etc) on unpasteurised milk. I can’t imagine rural Australians buying pasteurised milk if they have “free” access to raw milk. I don’t know about North Americans.
(DIR) Post #AhtQWYuSjhFSB3dkPY by guncelawits@mastodon.social
2024-05-14T20:29:09Z
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@Wolven Tentative heuristic: Sufficient lack of consequence leads to a perceived reversal of cause and effect.
(DIR) Post #AhtXi8zzb4YcyEhFTs by LouisIngenthron@qoto.org
2024-05-14T21:49:36Z
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@Wolven This is what happens when we spend thousands of years using community to reject evolution 🤷♂️Let mother nature make her corrections, I say.
(DIR) Post #AhtbICTQSHDC2DLeCG by susankayequinn@wandering.shop
2024-05-14T22:29:26Z
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@Wolven @plaguepoems
(DIR) Post #Ahtdl5tOCdEhvhOjBI by Tooden@aus.social
2024-05-14T22:57:26Z
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@Wolven Are these #Flerfers just doubling down on their recalcitrance?"You can't tell me what to do. You're not the boss of me!", plus a genuine anxiety that supplies of raw milk will disappear? They are absolutely not thinking of anyone else. They need to be isolated from those they will harm with their selfish obsessions, but that won't happen.😕
(DIR) Post #AhtfTODRXOwLSFSnMO by blueQuaternary@mastodon.social
2024-05-14T23:16:40Z
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@Wolven just wait till Rogan gets his limp dick army on this trend….
(DIR) Post #AhtkYjVAKAyigr7VqK by gnu_lorien@ourislandgeorgia.net
2024-05-15T00:13:39Z
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@Wolven I did recently talk to an actual person that may be part of this statistic. They seemed to be under the impression that the real culprit behind the spread of disease through milk was because of homogenization and that local, raw, unpasteurized milk is the way to avoid disease.Their thinking fell into that category that a lot of people's do where they sort of understand why epidemiology works, but don't understand that they aren't the first to think of it. They also just... don't really think it all of the way through.Like, let's take for granted that there's some advantage to you knowing exactly the cow you got the milk from. I think their words were something like, "Then if you get sick you know where it came from." Let's presume that's true... well what do you do with this information? What does the community do with this information?It's not truly a counter-point to your instinct here, but they seemed to genuinely believe that somehow they could isolate and it would be better. To me that speaks more towards part of them instinctually recognizing the threat of capitalism, but having been so suckered in by capitalism's lie that it's science who is the villain that they don't believe their contrary behavior is self-destructive.I can't entirely fault them for the starting premise of, "Everything the market is doing and the government is doing is going to get me killed." It's correct enough often enough. Especially since they vote Republican making sure that the decisions are not in their best interest.
(DIR) Post #AhtmkeJrcM7807dygi by Runyan50@newsie.social
2024-05-15T00:38:10Z
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@Wolven @FantasticalEconomics Nobody is really monitoring how money is made anymore. If enough people die or go broke, then sometimes they investigate.
(DIR) Post #Ahtp2nlZQto6Q9O2vQ by katharta@quietzero.net
2024-05-15T01:03:56Z
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@Wolven Curious how much of this can be attributed to foreign disinformation campaigns. What better way to weaken a country than to convince their population to do it to themselves?
(DIR) Post #AhuYq6TV9wSUZTonK4 by sbszine@dice.camp
2024-05-15T09:37:02Z
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@Wolven Capitalism is The Great Filter
(DIR) Post #AhuZgKT6NQ6N1uXCFM by jik@federate.social
2024-05-15T09:46:29Z
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@Wolven We can do degrowth the easy/ier way or the hard way. So far it's looking like the human race as a whole is choosing the hard way. I didn't see much chance of turning that around. There's going to be a lot of death and suffering—literally billions of people—before we hit bottom.
(DIR) Post #AhubVyieaJ9SaY06iW by oddhack@mstdn.social
2024-05-15T10:07:01Z
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@Wolven it's only capitalism-mediated death once the venture capital investments in raw milk producers are made and Elon Musk announces on Xitter that Teslas can be bought using FluCoin tokens. Before that, it's just sparkling immune system challenges!
(DIR) Post #Ahug6fWvIAgRbbGTVQ by graydon@canada.masto.host
2024-05-15T10:58:30Z
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@Wolven Time was, capitalists were for (some) facts.Facts are a process; process is other people. In a great many ways, facts are a tribe. (Well, coalition of tribes.)Facts are presently unbearable; the bill is due for the Carbon Binge. Embrace facts, and you'll never feel safe again.People prefer magic because it is more comfortable than facts, because it is easier to hope when you're deluded, and because they were raised to see the tribes of facts as outsiders full of bad people.
(DIR) Post #AhugFYYObCFwZjBvnc by WellsiteGeo@masto.ai
2024-05-15T11:00:03Z
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@Wolven It's not species-wide. It's just morons with this affliction.
(DIR) Post #AhumkY4B3oKPlXDbcm by binaryequation@freeradical.zone
2024-05-15T12:12:54Z
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@Wolven None of us is as dumb as all of us.
(DIR) Post #Ahuov3tDnT2xGgEcQi by katfeete@wandering.shop
2024-05-15T12:37:14Z
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@Wolven It’s kind of dumb but also kind of not. The USDA has been withholding information like crazy through this whole mess and is still clearly more interested in protecting industry farms from the public than the public from anything at all. Distrust in institutions -> distrust in institutional products -> trying to source product from a non institutional source that you feel you can trust. Whether than trust is rational is a different equation.
(DIR) Post #AhutrVGWZVYmmkFzyS by Emmadrime@mastodon.social
2024-05-15T13:32:37Z
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@Wolven For real. The excitement and satisfaction with which some of my relatives are looking forward to the apocalypse is chilling.
(DIR) Post #Ahv05sto6BclrXs7UW by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2024-05-15T14:42:26Z
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@katfeete I didn't say there wasn't reasoning and an attempt to satisfy values needs; I just said it's gonna kill us all.