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(DIR) Post #Ahh3IW5DooXAVxUGSO by MicheleV_AK@sfba.social
2024-05-08T19:07:14Z
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A hypothetical question going viral on social media asks women if they’d rather be alone in the woods with an unknown man or a bear.Majority of women are choosing the bear. Reasons women say they’d choose the bear.“The bear will either kill me or leave me alone, there are not 400 other horrible ways a bear can hurt me,” the post read.Among other reasons, according to the post, that women said they would choose the bear:“No one would question me about what I was wearing if the bear attacked me.”“If I survive the bear attack, I will not have to see the bear at family reunions.”“A bear would not film it and send it to his friends.”“No one will question if the bear attack really happened.”#IChooseTheBear #BearOrMan #WomenChooseTheBearhttps://www.alaskasnewssource.com/2024/05/07/viral-question-asks-women-if-theyd-rather-be-alone-woods-with-bear-or-man/
(DIR) Post #Ahh3IX0eNITHO4M7yC by m0xee@social.librem.one
2024-05-08T21:12:39Z
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@MicheleV_AK Is it common to invite the unknown man who attacked you in the woods to your family reunions? 🤔
(DIR) Post #Ahh78k0daQwUcsw9tw by m0xee@social.librem.one
2024-05-08T21:55:42Z
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@otterX A relative or a friend of a family taking advantage of a woman is no joke — and I'm sure it happens way more often than a bears attacking women in the forest.Yet the message of this whole bear thing is still very confusing — I don't think it's necessary to bend the facts this way to raise awareness 🤷@MicheleV_AK
(DIR) Post #Ahh8J9DcoTcHf6XPsG by MicheleV_AK@sfba.social
2024-05-08T22:08:47Z
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@m0xee @otterX I'm not bending anything just merely sharing the comments by women who have been sexually assaulted, harassed, abused, demeaned, etc. who would choose the bear. If you don't get it, I will happily explain in more detail. The stats on women being killed by bears are extremely low; the same cannot be said of women being killed or hurt by men. It's not complicated. I also choose the bear.
(DIR) Post #Ahh8RBlXEAdzsUEWrw by MicheleV_AK@sfba.social
2024-05-08T22:10:14Z
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@m0xee Obviously, you have missed the entire point of the hypothetical.
(DIR) Post #AhhEBiT4TPHMOSbPX6 by m0xee@social.librem.one
2024-05-08T23:14:41Z
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@MicheleV_AK > The stats on women being killed by bears are extremely lowThis is precisely where the facts are twisted: comparing 🍏 to 🍊. One in 6 women in the US gets sexually assaulted in their lifetime, according to the article — and yet, women encounter dozens of men, some of them — daily. How many women ever encountered a bear alone in the forest? I don't have any hard numbers, but I think this number is minuscule.If you meet a man in the forest he doesn't necessary mean harm…@otterX
(DIR) Post #AhhEJib1scML6m8lnc by m0xee@social.librem.one
2024-05-08T23:16:07Z
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@MicheleV_AK He might just say hi and walk past, but okay, let's even assume that all men are rapists — there's still a non-zero chance for success if you fight back, but if you indeed encounter a bear — you're royally fucked 😱The premise that encountering a bear is less dangerous is just false — for obvious reasons: bears are physically stronger.Not all men are nice — that's for sure, even for other men it's wise to avoid some men.@otterX
(DIR) Post #AhhEObv28LOjqYpWXw by m0xee@social.librem.one
2024-05-08T23:17:01Z
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@MicheleV_AK What's even worse — this type of men won't become good as a result of flash-mob on social media, young women should be aware of that, of how to avoid dangerous situations and how to get out of them if this still happens.But the message that men in general are more dangerous than bears is wrong and accomplishes nothing good, it just sows seeds of distrust 🤷But I'm pretty sure it all has been said a hundred times already, right?@otterX
(DIR) Post #AhhEhXPP7tfTMR3qEq by gabriel@col.social
2024-05-08T23:20:25Z
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@m0xee @MicheleV_AK @otterX it's a metaphor. Nobody is thinking on having public policy on bear encounters. But it may make you think about our behavior with women.
(DIR) Post #AhhP4PoMXSYg03HZom by cohomologyisFUN@mastodon.sdf.org
2024-05-09T01:16:34Z
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@m0xee @MicheleV_AK @otterX as a man, this is how I see it:Women have been asked a question, and given their answer. I can react by arguing with them about their answer, or I can shut up and listen to them.
(DIR) Post #Ahhaoip1HyOXmDsCQa by MicheleV_AK@sfba.social
2024-05-09T03:28:13Z
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@m0xee @otterX Are you fucking kidding me with that response??? "Young women should be aware of how to avoid dangerous situations..." Fuck you! Women should NOT have to "avoid" anything. I don't know if you are a man or a woman, but that kind of talk is EXACTLY why we choose the fucking bear. JFC!
(DIR) Post #AhirksC4Oamw3zMhTE by dashrb@awscommunity.social
2024-05-09T18:12:42Z
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@m0xee @MicheleV_AK I interpreted that quote as a hypothetical woman who, since she is without bodily autonomy in most US states, will be required to give birth to the rapist’s baby, and thus will have him appear at future family reunions since he has parental rights.We are so cruel to women. It’s shameful.
(DIR) Post #AhisD87ilKJjZqnxvk by dashrb@awscommunity.social
2024-05-09T18:17:49Z
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@m0xee @MicheleV_AK @otterX a woman would have nothing to fear from a bear if she minds her own business, and doesn’t threaten the bear or its cubs. The bear has no reason to attack. Sadly, not so with men. They tend to have other selfish reasons to be aggressive toward women.
(DIR) Post #Ahiu0bljQjiXfFg0HY by m0xee@social.librem.one
2024-05-09T18:37:59Z
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@dashrb This looks like a overdramatization of a purely hypothetical situation, rather than a real story to me. As much as I don't support the crusade against abortions — sorry, I don't see this ever happening. Like I have already said above, the problem is as bad as it already is — there is no need to come up with some horror stories or twisting the facts to raise awareness of it@MicheleV_AK
(DIR) Post #AhiujotRTsNXOrqExE by m0xee@social.librem.one
2024-05-09T18:46:09Z
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@dashrb So how do you imagine this, if you encounter a bear face to face, you'd just tell it: "Sorry, wrong meadow! I'll go now!",— and leave? That probably won't work!Sure, the bear won't run towards you from the opposite side of the wood — just as man won't. And no, men do not "tend to have reasons to be aggressive" — most don't.@MicheleV_AK @otterX
(DIR) Post #Ahiv3PpYNCCRSeMn4q by m0xee@social.librem.one
2024-05-09T18:49:42Z
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@dashrb Are you or your friends like that? Mine aren't — it doesn't mean that there are no men like that and it's still bad, but again — there is no need to make it look worse than it already is. There is no need to portray men as being more dangerous than bears and nothing good will ever come out of convincing young women that without men world would become a safe space — it won't, ever! It's unfortunate, but there will always be bad actors 🤷@MicheleV_AK @otterX
(DIR) Post #AhjOol1qH22lUH2bxY by dashrb@awscommunity.social
2024-05-10T00:23:11Z
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@m0xee @MicheleV_AK @otterX no, I’m not like that. Obviously I don’t know you, but…You were just granted exposure into the fears of women en masse. They told you/us that they feel unsafe around unknown men. Your reaction: discredit their feelings as inaccurate/exaggerated, & defend yourself & your friends, while admitting there are some “bad” men.They said they’re scared. You don’t take it seriously. So: you aren’t safe. Women can’t trust you. Do better.
(DIR) Post #AhlzeJ4XRhDGVR6Npg by m0xee@social.librem.one
2024-05-11T06:25:19Z
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@dashrb Oh, yes, the Council of Women have spoken and now the Council of Men which simply wasn't aware of the problem has to issue a decree for all men to act accordingly… But it can't — because someone on the social media isn't taking it seriously 😱 Bad news however, the Council of Men doesn't exist. Same as the Council of Women — but there are those who like to speak on behalf of all (or most like in this case) women.BTW you know who else exhibits such behaviour?@MicheleV_AK @otterX
(DIR) Post #AhlzkfbSaZeg7dXEqe by m0xee@social.librem.one
2024-05-11T06:26:28Z
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@dashrb Starts the conversation with devaluing you, using an extremely broad categorization, tells you to shut up and listen, gives you a morsel of approval only if you behave, and if you disagree with something, tells you to "fuck off" and starts acting as if you're the problem? I'll give you a hint — that's what manipulators do. Were I a girl saying that my significant other does this to me, I would be told that these are red flags. @MicheleV_AK @otterX
(DIR) Post #AhlztC1Fx01AyXfIMS by m0xee@social.librem.one
2024-05-11T06:28:01Z
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@dashrb That's right, some communities have been discussing abusive behaviour so often that it got normalised, and some women failed to notice when they adopted it themselves.The one, who values your opinion doesn't do that if you disagree.But you went further yourself and started putting words into my mouth. Whose feelings did I discredit? Hello! Council of Women isn't in the room with us — it's only the author of the original post, whom I disagree with.@MicheleV_AK @otterX
(DIR) Post #AhlzwWgrYJhVxEiQoS by m0xee@social.librem.one
2024-05-11T06:28:37Z
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@dashrb And, news at eleven, you aren't really helping women by "speaking out" on social media — the only thing you can achieve this way is to get social approval, and you did! Congrats!So, what exactly did I personally do to make "them" feel unsafe, disagree with the false premise?Maybe numerous threads like this one about something being fundamentally wrong with men had more to do with it?Welcome to the brave new world created by it: https://slate.com/technology/2024/05/ivf-daughters-toxic-masculinity-sex-selection.html@MicheleV_AK @otterX
(DIR) Post #AhlzzGdtfsL73GdSnA by m0xee@social.librem.one
2024-05-11T06:29:07Z
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@dashrb Oh, wait, maybe Slate is some right-wing conspiracy website? Nope, looks pretty centrist, left leaning even. And the author of the article is a woman 🤔According to the article, it's even banned in most of the rest of the world, except US, where "womens' rights have been stripped to the bone". Well, maybe eugenics was only wrong when Nazis did it, queer couples with correct political alignment can do it right 😏@MicheleV_AK @otterX
(DIR) Post #Ahm0xVeP0H10yQb6cy by m0xee@social.librem.one
2024-05-11T06:40:00Z
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@gabriel I'd agree with you, however for those who can get this metaphor, sexualised violence isn't exactly news — there are young boys who could learn something from it, but they would feel alienated by having to accept the guilt despite doing nothing wrong personally and by the premise that there's something fundamentally wrong with them.Unfortunately there are girls who take things for face value too, check out the article I have linked here: https://social.librem.one/@m0xee/112421038826408215@MicheleV_AK @otterX
(DIR) Post #Ahm6e8yXgUjms3AOrg by amerika
2024-05-11T07:43:45.349494Z
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@m0xee @dashrb @MicheleV_AK @otterX It's important to recognize antisocial behavior anywhere you find it.
(DIR) Post #AhmayLl2roZsvmP9iS by gabriel@col.social
2024-05-11T13:23:31Z
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@m0xee so how do you propose that we break the news to the kids that their friends or they themselves are considered threatening to girls? A metaphor is too strong? It is the same argument that is made for denning structural racism or sexism by banning books in the US, to "not alienate". It is a harsh subject, and we need to feel bad. And recognize that men are also victims of the machismo behind this.