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(DIR) Post #AhmBB6s8vOHHik9GOO by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-11T08:34:20Z
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Homo naledi is the most interesting new human like primate. They are from South Africa, little people. walked upright, but primates walking upright goes way back. They had hands just like modern human but longish arms and powerful shoulders ... so they could probably zip up a tree.They have small brains half modern size. This has made people astonished that they may have had fire. I'm glad I'll never meet one, a smart little firebug with powerful arms sounds terrifying. 1/
(DIR) Post #AhmBKvLEeOoOr2R59M by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-11T08:36:10Z
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Personally I think it's really unnatural how humans react to fire. Most people are attracted to it and want to play with it. What's more typical in large mammals is fear. Of course there are beetles that are attracted to fire (but don't play with it, sadly)But I do think there is something very very old and strange about the way people relate to fire. It's such a blockbuster tool. 2/2
(DIR) Post #AhmBfxe7HGjG5DIZcW by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-11T08:39:57Z
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@vikxin Isn't the cave how we know they had fire and were probably more complex than just IDK living in a tree and eating?
(DIR) Post #AhmBlEZTmGJk1WdzI8 by sashin@veganism.social
2024-05-11T08:40:56Z
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@futurebird Wait, is that reaction learned? Or learned?
(DIR) Post #AhmBqgra13d7DXiDQm by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-11T08:41:55Z
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@sashin That's a great question. In my *limited* reading I haven't seen an experiment that answers it.
(DIR) Post #AhmCJlftCqacXP6q1o by afewbugs@social.coop
2024-05-11T08:47:10Z
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@futurebird I'm also curious about why some of us love the taste of smoky food, which has to be a very weird adaption we developed with cooking
(DIR) Post #AhmCLhNGAMzPmNJeeO by futurebird@sauropods.win
2024-05-11T08:47:26Z
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@vikxin They overlap with the earliest modern humans!
(DIR) Post #AhmCPKhaP1wKcZYZ4S by justafrog@mstdn.social
2024-05-11T08:48:10Z
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@futurebird Humans definitely don't react to fire normally.Even to the point of causing it deliberately when they can't find any.But it's also a necessity. Raw food doesn't work so well for the average human.
(DIR) Post #AhmCWVHPTOPdSFjRYG by justafrog@mstdn.social
2024-05-11T08:49:24Z
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@futurebird @sashin Don't most human children need to be taught not to grab the fire?
(DIR) Post #AhmCYzyIKiDjDqyrmC by EVDHmn@ecoevo.social
2024-05-11T08:49:45Z
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@futurebird I wouldn’t trust my cat with a lighter and thumbs. Curiosity…They already know how to signal to us different things they want. If we miss the cue they stand beside what they want.They already sit directly on my laptop keys. I think mine must think it’s a thought transportation device. How do mommy and daddy just seem to touch this thing and know what each other is thinking 🤔😅
(DIR) Post #AhmCeA2yIg6Fv1d7Ue by mensrea@freeradical.zone
2024-05-11T08:50:16Z
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@futurebird yup. seen what baboons do with out fire. them with fire would be, shall we say, problematic
(DIR) Post #AhmCn1gekf3Ab5Q44O by alicemcalicepants@ohai.social
2024-05-11T08:52:17Z
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@futurebird or wave their arms around and panic instead of calling the fire brigade 😅https://gifs.com/gif/the-sims-1-house-fire-WnjXJn
(DIR) Post #AhmCursV6ZIUUYhO0O by 5ciFiGirl@starbase80.wtf
2024-05-11T08:53:50Z
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@futurebird Some of us call a campfire "caveman TV"! You can stare at it for hours! 🔥👀
(DIR) Post #AhmDQb4v6KzLegdZx2 by anilmc@hachyderm.io
2024-05-11T08:59:30Z
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@futurebird https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/we-are-living-in-the-pyrocene-at-our-peril/
(DIR) Post #AhmHglRCkiKqEb1dWS by anne_twain@theblower.au
2024-05-11T09:47:17Z
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@futurebird It's very different if you're threatened with being engulfed by it.That being said, it makes sense that humans who were interested in fire would be the ones to survive when humans moved into the colder regions of the earth. Without willingnrss to handle fire we wouldn't have acquired the skill of forging metal, or even firing clay pots.
(DIR) Post #AhmKnh2fnGK6UVXx1k by Weanerdog@c.im
2024-05-11T10:17:11Z
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@vikxin @futurebird That particular paper, by Berger if memory serves, regarding burial and cave paintings never made it past peer review. I'm fact 10 of the people that looked at it for peer review straight out said the information supplied did not meet the minimum requirements of scientific evidence and that the conclusions cannot be drawn from the evidence supplied. I think one other person looked at it and they said there were issues with the paper and it needed some reviews. What is amazing is that whoever used fire first didn't land up suffocating themselves with smoke inhalation. Apparently the fires were made in the middle of the cave not at the mouth which would cause the smoke to just fill up the cave.
(DIR) Post #AhmQqfQaqp0o4vXJwW by llewelly@sauropods.win
2024-05-11T11:29:57Z
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@futurebird there are 3 species of birds, the black kite (Milvus migrans), whistling kite (Haliastur sphenurus), and the brown falcon (Falco berigora), which are known to deliberately pick up burning branches, fly some distance, and spread them about to start new fires:https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/wildfires-birds-animals-australia