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(DIR) Post #AhZRzncrJaut0ciGSu by mike@flipboard.social
2024-05-05T05:11:38Z
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Well, I got my first white supremacist reply from the fediverse after posting an article about Elon from Flipboard.I reported and blocked the account. I also looked at the instance admin's account and it's clear he's also a white supremacist. So that instance will be blocked on flipboard.com and flipboard.social as well as shared with other instance admins as a problematic instance for them to take action if they also deem appropriate. Took all of 2 minutes to help make the fediverse a bit better for everyone.And the best thing is that anyone in the fediverse can do this too. Decentralized moderation FTW.
(DIR) Post #AhZU5JcTzPtvaoILiq by mike@flipboard.social
2024-05-05T05:35:00Z
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@islekcaganmert great idea. @tchambers @greg @stux @Gargron Thoughts on this?
(DIR) Post #AhZUMtr2WTCitbUMk4 by mike@flipboard.social
2024-05-05T05:38:12Z
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@islekcaganmert @tchambers @greg @stux @Gargron + @mike@thecanadian.social
(DIR) Post #AhZYHsPcrBdQn9Wh3g by starrwulfe@social.vivaldi.net
2024-05-05T06:22:07Z
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@mike is definitely #DoingItRight šš¾
(DIR) Post #AhZbmo1DXfri0LY7LE by bassplayer@mas.to
2024-05-05T07:01:21Z
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@mike Curious as to what sort of reply constitutes as a White Supremacist reply.
(DIR) Post #AhZdvTJi50oCJWSWa8 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-05-05T07:25:18Z
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@mike If you donāt mind, sharing the domain with the #fediblock hashtag will make other admins aware of it too, if they arenāt already, so they can block it also.
(DIR) Post #AhZeFoXSt44jvLaoam by not_benis@cawfee.club
2024-05-05T07:29:02.106150Z
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@mike oh no, that's tragic, who did this to you?
(DIR) Post #AhZeaPjKJvKp3vxosC by publicvoit@graz.social
2024-05-05T07:32:42Z
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@mike While this is certainly a great thing, I'm not sure whether or not we also need a method to be able to get off those #blocklists in case the blocked instance gets fixed somehow or when there's a misunderstanding in the first place. š¤#Mastodon
(DIR) Post #AhZeer0sp9mKq1IDuy by mike@flipboard.social
2024-05-05T07:33:30Z
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@bassplayer The reply was concerning but his posts were straight up hateful, holocaust denying, calling for violence, etc. Unlike some platforms I have no problem banning nazis.
(DIR) Post #AhZfDN6Y11rODIOxqy by mike@flipboard.social
2024-05-05T07:39:45Z
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@publicvoit It's a tough one. I can see how sometimes people or instances could get blocked for reasons that they should be able to address. This particular instance is not like that. They're straight up nazis and should be blocked. There's no perfect solution but at least it's a lot better than X.com
(DIR) Post #AhZfcgLLciyH7YORFo by publicvoit@graz.social
2024-05-05T07:44:20Z
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@mike I agree for that particular example.However I don't see that revocation process for other examples as well.
(DIR) Post #AhZg7IM0rhGHhFIlnc by mike@flipboard.social
2024-05-05T07:49:52Z
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@aral ok. flipboard.social and flipboard.com are blocking noauthority.social #fediblock for hate speech and calls for violence.
(DIR) Post #AhZnd2xgKR0Uu50aVU by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-05-05T09:14:00Z
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@mike Thanks :) Will check my own block list and add them if theyāre not already there.
(DIR) Post #AhZpDJgJk2TH8ekFrU by idea_enjoyer@techhub.social
2024-05-05T09:31:48Z
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@mike I understand why you block the account and the instance, but why do you feel the need to patronize your users and make that decision for them?
(DIR) Post #AhZplTEuiB1sd0DHCS by adnan@1210.nl
2024-05-05T09:37:25Z
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@aral @mike This should be automated. I want to subscribe to a block list from respected instances and get notified of new blocks.
(DIR) Post #AhZrf78kAE3qG5QLFA by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2024-05-05T09:58:49Z
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@adnan @mike Be careful what you ask for :) Iād very much not like to see Facebook dictating moderation on the fediverse, for instance. That said, there are already blocklists you can use that handle almost all of the fascist, etc., instances.
(DIR) Post #AhZvkPBusRdnVXgcS0 by avlap2@mastodon.nl
2024-05-05T10:44:59Z
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@mike It also show a weakness of the fediverse. It's a great 'cancel machine' if there are no rules for this. It can take just 2 minutes to cancel a group of people.
(DIR) Post #Aha4qTYoRbhqNrMiTA by Ponygirl@mastodon.social
2024-05-05T12:26:56Z
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@mike Thank you Mike.
(DIR) Post #Aha6zcPh6AOAM5aUq0 by CensorsAreCultists@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-05T12:50:57Z
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@mike Why do you think that "White Supremacists" are a problem? They simply prefer to live among people with European look and behavior.Every other group with the preference to live among themselves is allowed to do that. Why not also Europeans aka Whites?
(DIR) Post #Aha8oXqLwuaKu8u8sC by JoshuaACNewman@xeno.glyphpress.com
2024-05-05T13:11:25Z
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@mike What server?
(DIR) Post #AhaKh2R1WfTmupFBVQ by sb@fed.sbcloud.cc
2024-05-05T15:24:27Z
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@mike @publicvoit Thank you for having a normal & human stance on this is for not flexing. I really respect that.
(DIR) Post #AhaKubkxVq8KEC2Tq4 by SamUpstate@bluelupine.social
2024-05-05T15:26:59Z
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@mike as the admin of a small instance, I definitely feel the need for better tools to allow me to more easily incorporate information like that into my instance's block list without being overwhelmed by day to day reports.There's a great deal of power for good in actions like yours. We need to be able to harness that across the fediverse.
(DIR) Post #AhaLTTbpnNSP5yOimG by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2024-05-05T15:33:16Z
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@mike @jonquass we need a way to all share what we saw, how we responded and why. as much transparency as possible without violating other values. better than blocklists imo.noauthority.social is basically the same people that were on noagendasocial.com (my first server), brought together as fans of the No Agenda podcast, managed by eriner. I don't think it's a server worth blocking cause they aren't a hub for intentional harassers, but they are very edgelord and don't want to police anyone.
(DIR) Post #AhaSKyxyXZIRQ8ePOC by valis01@mastodon.social
2024-05-05T12:05:24Z
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@avlap2 @mike There can't be rules for cancelling. Give the users the power to block whatever or whoever they want but never do it for others. It is as simple as that. I am pretty sure that Mastodon do not need a council for truth or moral superiority to control the flow of information. Everybody is entitled to do it for themeselves.
(DIR) Post #AhaSKzu73PniKRqq0W by WhiteCatTamer@mastodon.online
2024-05-05T12:42:08Z
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@valis01 @avlap2 @mike Youāre acting as though you have a right to access anything and everything on here: you donāt. This is an open source platform that is a mix of nonprofit and volunteer/donation based users. If you donāt agree to the rules of your instance, you can contact the admin to suggest clarifications or additions, but if you want an instance with blackjack and hookers then make your own.
(DIR) Post #AhaSL0s1SfitKFsgO8 by mike@flipboard.social
2024-05-05T16:50:09Z
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@WhiteCatTamer @valis01 @avlap2 youāre both right. Moderation is super hard and it can have unintended consequences when done poorly. But it still needs to be done because no moderation gets you X.One thing I should have been clear about is that I was acting as both a user and an instance owner. We have clear rules on Flipboardās instance that if violated get you blocked. Acting like a nazi is one of them. That user can still go to other instances. If those instance owners are clearly ok with nazi behavior then thereās a good chance everyone on that instance will ultimately get blocked. Blocking everyone on one instance from everyone on another is not to be taken lightly and is an instance owner decision. Itās the ultimate moderation weapon and shouldnāt be used to settle scores, etc it should be used against instances that are specifically about promoting hate speech, scams, CSAM and violence. When used properly, instance to instance blocking has been incredibly effective. In this case being able block an instance that is clearly run by a white supremacist for white supremacists is a no brainer to help provide users on Flipboardās instance with a more positive experience free from harassment by nazis.
(DIR) Post #AhaT22cgowjlDJE6ts by WhiteCatTamer@mastodon.online
2024-05-05T16:57:55Z
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@mike @valis01 @avlap2 Thank you. I appreciate that you rightly see it as a weighty decision but one that must be made. Placing the onus upon the users to screen out trolls and honest shitheads that can make new accounts within seconds makes Mastodon no better than Bluesky and puts marginalized people at unique risk; blocking instances that take technical know-how and money to run keeps these users safe and presents a greater barrier to repeat issues.
(DIR) Post #AhaTmWihFlyZsWCbNw by mike@flipboard.social
2024-05-05T17:06:19Z
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@wjmaggos @jonquass I get that there are often grey areas with moderation. But this one is as black and white as it gets. This particular instance *owner* is calling for death of politicians, denying the holocaust ever happened, promoting hateful conspiracies and encouraging all of his users on his instance to do the same. And they are certainly harassing users on other instances. Blocking this instance is an obvious decision for Flipboard. I understand not all other instance owners will decide to block. Thatās the beauty of the fediverse. Each instance can decide what kind of community it wants to host and then users can decide if they want to join or leave that community.
(DIR) Post #AhaTpi7fJa0E70Op9c by mike@flipboard.social
2024-05-05T17:06:52Z
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@WhiteCatTamer @valis01 @avlap2 well said.
(DIR) Post #AhaUfxliO9azhB32lU by chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca
2024-05-05T17:10:15Z
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@avlap2 @mike rules? enforced by whom? It's a choice. It's freedom.
(DIR) Post #AhaUfyh8wdX6ZHuuHI by mike@flipboard.social
2024-05-05T17:16:23Z
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@chris @avlap2 Iām referring to the policy each instance communicates when you join it. On Flipboardās instance we donāt allow CSAM and death threats for example. We do this to set the norms for the community our users want to join. If you break those rules you get blocked. Users who want to join a community of no rules and total freedom can join instances that operate that way. Or they can just join X.
(DIR) Post #AhaV4W1cfufMtGCEro by mike@flipboard.social
2024-05-05T17:20:48Z
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@chris @avlap2 also I donāt mean to minimize the ācancel machineā issue you mention. Finding the balance here is super important and not easy. I do think this is an area that needs more attention and norm setting.
(DIR) Post #AhaVDTiic7uULdczaq by chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca
2024-05-05T17:22:27Z
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@mike @avlap2 I totally agree with that approach. I see the "freedom" on the Fediverse being instance based, rather than individual. Instances are free to have their own policies, or gather into with common policies and ideals. In that way moderation achieves consistency rather than trying to create a global set of "rules" for an individual.
(DIR) Post #AhaVyGLIAbtWT3ykL2 by Raccoon@techhub.social
2024-05-05T17:30:28Z
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@aral @adnan @mikeI don't remember the name of the site, but there is a site that aggregates public block lists and distributes files to let you quickly block the most blocked instances. Really though, because new ones show up every week, the only way to reliably get them in advance is to follow stuff like this hashtag.
(DIR) Post #AhaYd0nT4ZPe2FiTJY by QuadRadical@wetdry.world
2024-05-05T18:00:38Z
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@mike @wjmaggos @jonquass I completely agree. Its amazing what Flipboard is doing, and I love what its bringing to fedi! Keep it up!!
(DIR) Post #AhaZIjAwyikhXwajwW by avlap2@mastodon.nl
2024-05-05T18:08:12Z
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@mike @chris Let users manage their own blocking as much as possible.
(DIR) Post #AhalOVLCWk7TpIuJnM by moehrenfeld@social.karotte.org
2024-05-05T20:23:42Z
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@mike@flipboard.social @islekcaganmert @tchambers @greg @stux @Gargron @mike@thecanadian.social The only thing in that direction that I know of is the gardenfence blocklist: https://github.com/gardenfence/blocklist/It takes the blocklist of 8 servers and if at least 7 of them block a domain it gets added to the list. Something like that in a more distributed fashion would be nice. Also I would love a way to use DNS based blocklists.
(DIR) Post #Ahas9cmdH0tWFCadfs by mike@thecanadian.social
2024-05-05T21:39:24Z
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@mike@flipboard.social @islekcaganmert @tchambers @greg @stux @Gargron Myself and a couple of other small instance admins maintain a Signal group. I think the tools are already in place someone just needs to bring everyone together under one umbrella. The idea of an admins only moderation channel though is somewhat naive. Would all admins be able to participate? Even the ones getting banned? If not who decides who participates? Does that start to look like centralization?
(DIR) Post #Ahb6gmzZjlPcowLtpI by timethief@zirk.us
2024-05-06T00:22:18Z
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@mike never even heard of Flipboard. Is it just a mastodon instance or a separate service federated with mastodon?
(DIR) Post #Ahb6nh04Pi7OGPsL1E by maddad@mastodon.world
2024-05-06T00:23:34Z
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@mike It's one of the things I love about Mastodon.... It's easy to keep the house clean š
(DIR) Post #Ahb87mYPZeNnEc57Zo by mike@flipboard.social
2024-05-06T00:38:24Z
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@timethief Flipboard is what I call a "social magazine". Tell it what you are interested in and then it builds a personalized magazine for you made up of stories from trusted sources that we've partnered with over the years. We try to present the stories with a more print-like aesthetic. And as BeAware says, we enable people to curate their own magazines and share them with others. We are in the process of federating all of this curation and magazines into the fediverse. You can check out my magazines at @mike@flipboard.com
(DIR) Post #Ahb9IVMbvZ713kErgm by LLS@wandering.shop
2024-05-06T00:51:33Z
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@mike @hannu_ikonen My understanding is that unlike when blocking an individual account, when a user blocks an entire instance, the āblockā is actually just a mute. The members of the blocked instance can still see and reply to your content, you just donāt see that (which seems suboptimal). Is this correct?
(DIR) Post #Ahb9fbqZzLxBpNH1DE by timethief@zirk.us
2024-05-06T00:55:44Z
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@mike@flipboard.social @mike@flipboard.com thanks for letting me know about it! Can't wait to test it out.
(DIR) Post #Ahcnyak6VexHEFoKUC by FirefighterGeek@masto.ai
2024-05-06T20:02:01Z
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@mike I cam across a server like that in a similar way. The person who run the instance I log into accepted my report and within an hour had blocked that other server and recommended other admins do as well.
(DIR) Post #AhcttCJQVrNrjk8ycS by fediverso@flipboard.social
2024-05-06T21:08:21Z
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@mike ā¤ļø
(DIR) Post #Ahen8rtLtQSnfqOPb6 by NobleWolf@detroitriotcity.com
2024-05-07T13:08:59.957024Z
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@mike Why do you think that "White Supremacists" are a problem? They simply prefer to live among people with European look and behavior.Every other group with the preference to live among themselves is allowed to do that. Why not also Europeans aka Whites?
(DIR) Post #AhenkezOJSSof4Eong by matsh@toots.nu
2024-05-06T05:12:26Z
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@CensorsAreCultists @mike Because they have a tendency to kill people they don't like. There are a bunch of historical incidents you should look up.
(DIR) Post #Ahenkfd5vqDseCoWga by CensorsAreCultists@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-07T13:16:24Z
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@matsh No, they don't. Just because there were a few does not make it a rule.There are other groups which are far more dangerous, and those do not get restricted and shut down.@mike
(DIR) Post #Ahenkg4kH2LC1xkbmi by CensorsAreCultists@mastodon.cloud
2024-05-07T13:22:35Z
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@matsh That false argument "White Supremacists are violent"is similar to the debunked"weed is an entrance drug" or "first person shooter games make violent".@mike
(DIR) Post #AhenxlTbVL6iXucPcu by Witch_Hunter_Siegfired@poa.st
2024-05-07T19:11:25.345746Z
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@matsh @CensorsAreCultists @mike Like what exactly? Go on do tell, Iāll start the āholocaustā at BEST is HIGHLY exaggerated and is imo a complete fabrication, the slave trade was dominated by jews.
(DIR) Post #Aheo7iEiPEoBOPOja4 by Polfusilier@poa.st
2024-05-07T19:13:13.241224Z
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@matsh @CensorsAreCultists @mike Kikes have killed way more people, in fact, they are actually committing a geocide as we speak.
(DIR) Post #AhfKPbccvx5Kcm9t6u by Properganda@mastodon.social
2024-05-08T01:14:56Z
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@mike What did they post? Thereās a lot of BS & extreme labels being thrown aroundā¦ Are we supposed to take your opinions as fact without evidence?
(DIR) Post #AhfjCrfwQxGpVEjKca by mike@flipboard.social
2024-05-08T05:52:46Z
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@Properganda @mike No definitely donāt take my opinions for fact. My observation is that this particular instance owner posts about killing politicians, denies the holocaust and is fanning hate speech and promoting conspiracy theories among his users. I do not want this person or the people on his instance harassing the people on the Flipboard instance. Simple as that. Everyone is free to make their own decision. Thatās the beauty of the fediverse.
(DIR) Post #AhfrV0na3H8WdyT2fI by Properganda@mastodon.social
2024-05-08T07:25:40Z
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@mike Thanks for clarifying.