Post AhbiqBEWm6c4rrFcoK by darklyglassdarkly@aus.social
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(DIR) Post #AhbgQkXIhJWqv5mIGe by geordie@aus.social
2024-05-06T07:02:52Z
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"Dad? For my homework, when did Noah's ark happen was it like thousands of years ago?"Fucking what
(DIR) Post #AhbgaBkeseoJvvWio4 by bastardsheep@aus.social
2024-05-06T07:04:34Z
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@geordie Isn’t it happening right now up on the Gold Coast, or has cliev given up again and no longer needing that distraction once more?
(DIR) Post #AhbhTCIEZJpXXXSgZE by geordie@aus.social
2024-05-06T07:14:30Z
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Ok there's a lot to unfuck here.
(DIR) Post #AhbhUhEuznR9oBcqoK by nschultz@aus.social
2024-05-06T07:14:46Z
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@geordie
(DIR) Post #AhbhaUTBO39twO3oO0 by mpesce@arvr.social
2024-05-06T07:15:48Z
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@geordie um suggest the child consult Bishop Ussher's genealogy of the Patriarchs?
(DIR) Post #Ahbhn0cveY2Z9KaYJU by elzbethmrgn@aus.social
2024-05-06T07:18:06Z
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@geordie I mean the answer is broadly yes.
(DIR) Post #AhbiqBEWm6c4rrFcoK by darklyglassdarkly@aus.social
2024-05-06T07:29:52Z
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@geordie time for heretical thinking.
(DIR) Post #AhbjGSQvRrSBk2a1nU by geordie@aus.social
2024-05-06T07:34:37Z
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@darklyglassdarkly or the opposite of that. I'm going to do the opposite of that.
(DIR) Post #AhbkbhYqUzMgh8yjAW by darklyglassdarkly@aus.social
2024-05-06T07:49:40Z
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@geordie noooooooo, not comparative mythology, literary criticism, and archaeology! nooooooooooooo!
(DIR) Post #AhbmHxr6PGlRLdEa3M by nacho_borracho@aus.social
2024-05-06T08:08:30Z
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@geordie this documentary should have the answers he seeks
(DIR) Post #Ahbp2AyQAM1hGIow5I by geordie@aus.social
2024-05-06T08:39:16Z
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@darklyglassdarkly comparative mythology probably isn't useful here but there's some theological and exegesis bits that need to be bolted back on, as well as an understanding of what 4000 years ago actually means etc.
(DIR) Post #AhbydVCSpIXGINGKMi by geordie@aus.social
2024-05-06T10:26:51Z
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Ok we have covered off;- The narrative of Noah’s Ark does not cover events which in any way actually took place- The story describes contemporarily relevant themes of God’s distaste for corruption and violence which exist alongside objective ethical problems with those things, and establish that in addition to ethical and legal wrongs in secular society, they are sins in our faith- A cubit was probably a foot and a bit- Genesis in general was authored about seven thousand years ago but most scholars agree the story of Noah doesn’t fit comfortably with the rest of the text and may have been added a thousand or three later- Whenever it was written, “two of every kind of animal” predates the actual concept of “kind of animal” having any connection to “species” or the practice of zoology in general, and probably referred to ancient southwestern Asia groupings of “animals you can eat”, “animals you can’t eat” and “animals that carry stuff” which makes the whole concept less hilarious.
(DIR) Post #Ahbys4rT2Esgx2OK92 by Jplonie@aus.social
2024-05-06T10:29:30Z
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@geordie Pity like most things. The kid won't believe the parent.
(DIR) Post #AhbzLFagDtKScpRxdA by bastardsheep@aus.social
2024-05-06T10:34:46Z
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@geordie You’re missing the bit about pi being exactly 3.
(DIR) Post #Ahc0Jo4x7q6axoU90C by darklyglassdarkly@aus.social
2024-05-06T10:45:39Z
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@geordie nice.i suspect the chronology of composition as 5,000 BCE being very generous, but fuckit. close enough for homework.
(DIR) Post #Ahc0zzR1IKXoLVvBx2 by stufromoz@aus.social
2024-05-06T10:53:19Z
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@geordie did you actually refer to other religious traditions also incorporating flood tales, suggesting that something might have happened in the area that the Biblical tales developed? That a large flood probably happened at some point before recorded history
(DIR) Post #Ahc2aBdFWTi4YQSvEu by static@aus.social
2024-05-06T11:11:04Z
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@geordie Latest thinking says Genesis as we know it is not more than 3000 years old. Some parts are from much older literary traditions but frequently have dual sources. And both stories are often obviously spliced together in the text!
(DIR) Post #AhcxvLA6yq6pa041my by geordie@aus.social
2024-05-06T21:53:35Z
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@stufromoz not relevant for the homework in question but I did mention it.
(DIR) Post #Ahcy1ElzeCHtVBaw0e by mpesce@arvr.social
2024-05-06T21:54:38Z
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@geordie @stufromoz something something Gilgamesh and Utnapishtim?
(DIR) Post #AhcyIHkRq66PeU07qi by geordie@aus.social
2024-05-06T21:57:43Z
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@yaakov yeah “take the animals”, not “go get them”.
(DIR) Post #AhczJEkkYoREbf9ygy by geordie@aus.social
2024-05-06T22:09:04Z
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@mpesce @stufromoz and the mayans, and China, India, the Cornish, Irish, Welsh and Norse. And absolutely the Philippines.
(DIR) Post #Ahd08jzMBeLaFbYEG8 by Bern@aus.social
2024-05-06T22:18:25Z
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@geordie the Black Sea was a significantly smaller lake, likely surrounded by fertile lands inhabited by many people, well below sea level until about ~7-9,000 years ago, at which point the rising Mediterranean poured through the Bosporus and flooded it.There are Australian Aboriginal oral mythologies about lands that were flooded by sea level rise ~8k years ago, so it's entirely plausible that this event survives in mythology as the Noah story. I've seen a few other hypotheses about ancient flood events in the middle east that may also have inspired the tale.The Persian Gulf was itself largely dry during the last glacial maximum. The river valley that has often been described as "the cradle of civilisation" was completely flooded ~8-10k years ago. https://animations.geol.ucsb.edu/2_infopgs/IP2IceAge/ePersGulfFlood.html
(DIR) Post #AhdG1oFhXEWUiIuevo by mpesce@arvr.social
2024-05-07T01:16:25Z
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@geordie @stufromoz well yes but but but Utnapishtim is verifiably Noah
(DIR) Post #AhdJ9Yo591LQzPNjCi by geordie@aus.social
2024-05-07T01:51:27Z
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@mpesce @stufromoz "verifiably" is doing a great deal of lifting here.
(DIR) Post #AhdSzXIUtuT4xCT14C by mpesce@arvr.social
2024-05-07T03:41:37Z
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@geordie @stufromoz let's go for "on the preponderance of evidence these are the same story, incorporated into Judaism's origin stories via interactions with the mythologies of the Old Babylonian empire"
(DIR) Post #AhdTrRyusg9o6Y15Ae by geordie@aus.social
2024-05-07T03:51:27Z
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@mpesce @stufromoz I’ll allow it.
(DIR) Post #AhdTtkPPL7inppVFB2 by franksting@theblower.au
2024-05-07T03:51:51Z
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@geordie @mpesce @stufromoz I don't recall any "flood" based Irish myths. Unless you mean Tír na nÓg?
(DIR) Post #AhdU4lA6saJNMAbAem by geordie@aus.social
2024-05-07T03:53:51Z
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@franksting @mpesce @stufromoz Lebor Gabála Érenn - Cessair and Fintan etc.
(DIR) Post #AhdUdG7EIjxpCehZdQ by mpesce@arvr.social
2024-05-07T04:00:04Z
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@geordie @franksting @stufromoz "The only survivors are Cessair, forty-nine other women, and three men: Fintan mac Bóchra, Bith and Ladra. The women are split evenly among the men."Um... This is an odd myth.(Also, 50 does not divide by 3)
(DIR) Post #AhdV1rLTX8UHcS5z3w by franksting@theblower.au
2024-05-07T04:04:29Z
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@geordie @mpesce @stufromoz I literally never heard of this story. And I thought I'd read every one of our myths. It sounds like some religious fella in the 12th century tried to take oral tales and make them more palatable to the priests.
(DIR) Post #AhdX1CiwlLyZXgtCoi by geordie@aus.social
2024-05-07T04:26:49Z
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@franksting @mpesce @stufromoz could well be. You’re not the first to suggest it.